raptop changed the topic of #KSPOfficial to: Kerbal Space Program official channel | KSP2 current version: 0.1.2.0 | Rules: http://tinyurl.com/KSP-Rules | Δv maps: https://i.imgur.com/CHVnEeE.png https://i.imgur.com/gBoLsSt.png | The Kapybaras were wildly OP, and have been nerfed.
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<UmbralRaptop> !mission add You engage in undefined behavior.
<LunchBot> Added mission: You engage in undefined behavior.
<UmbralRaptop> !outcome add The garbage collector deletes your rocket.
<LunchBot> Added outcome: The garbage collector deletes your rocket.
<JVFoxy> someone been playing a bit too much Space Engineers?
<JVFoxy> Although.. its more called 'trash removal' there
<UmbralRaptop> Jusst adding programming-related silliness
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<Althego> starship again, bit more than 8 hours until the stream start https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1wcilQ58hI
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<Eddi|zuHause> !mission
<LunchBot> You replace your TPS with surplus ERA. You are thrown out the airlock.
<Eddi|zuHause> dangit, should be a better imposter next time
<Althego> those test procedures must be taken really seriously
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<Mat2ch> Stream on for hours :D
<Althego> need to generate content for income
<Althego> but starting this many hours before the event seems to be useless content
<Althego> there is also
<Mat2ch> It's just the NSF community having fun together
<Mat2ch> also they can overanalyze every single venting that way :D
<Mat2ch> They have almost 22k viewers
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<Mat2ch> There's a Starship plushie?!
<Althego> there is a starship lighter
<Althego> it isnt ergonomic
<Mat2ch> and 10 sites to allow to load JavaScript from. They can build rockets, but not websites :D
<Althego> hehe
<Althego> the crew dragon uis is soem webpage running in chrome
<Mat2ch> 175 USD for a small batch series is a rather good price. I expected more
<Mat2ch> I know and I hate it.
<Mat2ch> There are so many good toolkits out there to make good UIs and they chose HTML+JS
<Mat2ch> What better to take than an over complex system, where you will never be able to understand how it works and has an unknown memory fingerprint and...
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<Mat2ch> Official stream link.
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<darsie> 1337
<Althego> and this is labpadre
<Althego> now darse you can collect them all into one page again
<darsie> You can put launch streams here: https://pad.riseup.net/p/%23%23space
<Althego> added the links
<darsie> thx
<Althego> i also have a 5th one with a vtuber :)
<darsie> put it there :)
<darsie> :)
<Althego> you can never know the name order
<Althego> because of course it is reversed in the username compared to the full name
<Althego> added angry astronaut too
<darsie> :)
<FLHerne> ;outcome add Good news, guys! They can't bite through the hardsuits!
<LunchBot> Added outcome: Good news, guys! They can't bite through the hardsuits!
<Mat2ch> *staresatthesoftsuite*
<Mat2ch> Almost to T-1h!
<Mat2ch> I think they really could launch today
<Althego> they almost did last time too
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<Mat2ch> Yeah, but then a valve froze
<Mat2ch> I guess that is fixed now and all other valves checked as well
<Izzy> SpaceX really leading with their best foot forward, opening with an explosion shot
<Mat2ch> well, they have to clear the launchpad for the next booster. There are several ways to do that.
<Mat2ch> :D
<Izzy> the comment about 150 tons being 150, 000 1L bottles of water amused me
<Izzy> like, yup, 150t = 150 000 kg, by definition
<Althego> because americans use short tons
<Althego> this is metric tonnes
<Althego> for everybody else it is obvious
<Izzy> is just funny :3
<umaxtu> the difference is what? 10 percent?
<darsie> vtuber stream started
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<Althego> spacex stream s tarted too
<Mat2ch> Tanks and the beach are filling ;)
<Neal> I hope it at least gets far away from the pad before it explodes
<umaxtu> and over the water, yeah
<Mat2ch> I say there will be no fireball
<Mat2ch> and the booster will land in a way that it can be hauled away.
<Mat2ch> or better, it will stick upright in the ocean and people will have to think hard and long how to get it away from there :D
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<Neal> u hoh
<Neal> things are explosing
<Neal> rapid unplanned not separation
<Mat2ch> Yeah, they flipped before separation?
<Neal> don't think that was supposed to happen
<Neal> front failed to fall off
<goblin> I could do that in KSP
<Mat2ch> I did that in KSP!
<Mat2ch> ;)
<Neal> I wonder if it failed to sep because of excessive sidelsip
<Mat2ch> A mate mentioned that they might not have an active separation system. They put the whole thing into a spin and release the clamps...
<Althego> i think becasue there were too many engines out, it didnt have enough authority to keep its heading and flipped
<Althego> pretty much kerbal way
<Althego> what was concerning when it started to spin it didnt explode
<Mat2ch> yeah, the engines were out rather unevenly
<Mat2ch> at the end it looks like it goes sideways
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<goblin> also, normally when you start spinning there's a momentary lag when the game calculates which part should explode first, but it was all smooth here
<Althego> hehe
<goblin> wikipedia reads "SpaceX then engaged the onboard flight termination system resulting in a commanded destruction of the vehicle at T+ 3:59.", but no source
<Althego> not even elon said that
<Althego> unless they have an internal leak it is not public
<UmbralRaptop> yeah, that feels like plausible speculation
<Mat2ch> jep. It's very likely it got terminated, but could have broken up on it's own also
<Mat2ch> *its
<Althego> based on the fact that it was spinnign for a minute before it exploded, it could have been aero stress too
<Althego> when it started to spin out it should have exploded on its own
<Althego> maybe they waited intentionally to collect data
<Mat2ch> Or that spin is really the detachment process right now.
<goblin> https://www.spacex.com/launches/mission/?missionId=starship-flight-test the graphic at the bottom suggest it was supposed to flip after separation
<Mat2ch> So you get into a spin, after the first 360° you release the ship on point, which should now fly straight, then you wait another 180° and boost back.
<Althego> collateral damage
<goblin> Mat2ch, wouldn't conservation of angular momentum then cause the separated bit to spin in the other direction?
<Althego> no it would spin in the same direction
<Althego> at least in ksp :)
<Mat2ch> goblin: if the point it's rotating around isn't on the ship it should fly straight iirc.
<Mat2ch> But I will fire up KSP now to test that theory ;)
<Mat2ch> I could also just paint a diagram showing the force vectors, but...
<packbart> so they did incorporate the classic KSP flip-stabilized flight? it's one of the lesser known tricks of successful spaceflight
<UmbralRaptop> heh
<Althego> flip stabilized flight?
<packbart> isn't that what typical KSP rockets do? flip over once, yet still reach orbit
<Althego> not if i can help it
<packbart> ah, well. that's hard mode :)
<Neal> Mat2ch, theres no way they would plan on doing a full spin at approaching orbital speeds
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<Tristen> rip SN24 and B7
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<Eddi|zuHause> !mission
<LunchBot> You use KSP rocket data in your final project for your statistics class. Yargnit tells you everything you're doing wrong.
<Eddi|zuHause> is that i'm doing it wrong, or they telling me wrong?
<darsie> Telling you what you do wrong.
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<Eddi|zuHause> that's difficult to parse
<Althego> seemed ok to me
<Althego> to this day i cant understand the horse sentence
<UmbralRaptop> That one feels like it's missing a word
<Eddi|zuHause> but those are sentences that make no sense if they're read any other way, however this one, i read as "<X> tells you <Y> wrong" which is technically a valid sentence
<FLHerne> pedantically, the meaning you read should be ... <Y> wrongly
<FLHerne> although I admit in similar sentences some people would say "... wrong."
<Mat2ch> Neal: yeah, after NSF mentioned that they probably lost one of the hydraulics power units on ascend it's more likely they couldn't steer anymore
<Mat2ch> any the clamps holding the Ship down might be hydraulic as well, that's why it wasn't released.
<FLHerne> Mat2ch: the clamps are GSE-side, no active component on the rocket
<FLHerne> they just clamp the lip things above the engines
<FLHerne> ;outcome add Some baffles added to your O'Neill cylinder prevent the unwanted hurricanes.
<LunchBot> Added outcome: Some baffles added to your O'Neill cylinder prevent the unwanted hurricanes.
<Mat2ch> FLHerne: GSE?
<goblin> Althego, "The horse, which was raced by some other past the barn earlier, now fell"
<Mat2ch> whoops.
<Mat2ch> FLHerne: oh, ground support equipment. I meant the clamps that hold the ship to the rocket, not the rocket to the pad.
<goblin> ... and the space between "Pig" and "And" and "And" and "Whistle" is too small
<FLHerne> Mat2ch: oh, I see what you mean now
<FLHerne> that makes sense
<Mat2ch> someone made a comparison
<sandbox> I looked out the window earlier and I noticed the trail of a plane heading south, I looked it up and it wasn't what I expected, I'm in Scotland and it was going from Tokyo to Paris
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<Eddi|zuHause> doesn't sound that unusual
<Eddi|zuHause> the longer the trip, the further north the "shortest path" goes
<Althego> also currently airplanes cant fly above russia
<Althego> they could do that or decades after the cold war
<darsie> Russian airplanes fly over Russia.
<Althego> but nothing else
<darsie> Including airplanes stolen by Russia.
<darsie> A Ukrainian drone flew to Moscow.
<Althego> yes, still no civilian traffic flying over for a shorter route
<darsie> Why not?
<darsie> Did Russia close the airspace to them?
<Eddi|zuHause> either because of sanctions, or because of active war zone, both of which could have influence on safety
<Mat2ch> darsie: airspace is closed, yes.
<darsie> By Russia?
<Eddi|zuHause> during the cold war, there were defined "air corridors" to reach west berlin, and sometimes there were "civilian" planes which flew weird zigzag patterns between the edges of these corridors, trying to make photos and stuff
<Mat2ch> darsie: yes
<darsie> ok
<Eddi|zuHause> !mission
<LunchBot> You violate the cosmic censorship principle. You give up.
<Eddi|zuHause> you win some you lose thome
<Eddi|zuHause> some
<Eddi|zuHause> i wonder why that is that i sometimes make "phonetic" typos
<Mat2ch> !mission
<LunchBot> You discover mountain dew in the seas of Eve. You discover physics is a harsh mistress.
<Mat2ch> I discover a lot here.
<UmbralRaptop> concerning
<Eddi|zuHause> fascinating
<Mat2ch> yeah. I should divorce physics.
<Althego> i do that too. because your mother language is phonetic, just like mine
<Eddi|zuHause> doesn't sound like the right explanation
<Eddi|zuHause> i mean, those are words i know how to spell... but sometimes my brain makes a detour while typing
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<Eddi|zuHause> there's a difference between "misspellings" (where i don't know any better) and "typos" (reflexes doing a wrong thing in a specific moment)
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<UmbralRaptop> !mission add You launch the largest rocket possible from the smallest and least improved pad.
<LunchBot> Added mission: You launch the largest rocket possible from the smallest and least improved pad.
<Eddi|zuHause> !outcome add All that's left is a giant hole in the ground.
<LunchBot> Added outcome: All that's left is a giant hole in the ground.
<Eddi|zuHause> !mission
<LunchBot> You attempt to create a mod to add Lagrange points to the game. You get an unpleasantly close view of the r-process in action.
<Eddi|zuHause> that sounds mildly unhealthy
<UmbralRaptop> Don't worry, this death is multiple orders of magnitude to rapid to be painful
<UmbralRaptop> *too rapid
<Eddi|zuHause> the main question is, to which body did these lagrange points belong?
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<FLHerne> ;outcome add The size of the paying is inversely proportional to the likelihoods of surviving for the collecting.
<LunchBot> Added outcome: The size of the paying is inversely proportional to the likelihoods of surviving for the collecting.
<Az> !mission
<LunchBot> You find one of HarvesteR's ancient posts on a forgotten forum. The nuclear weasels are devoured by the Cosmic Owl, such is the course of nature.
<FLHerne> ;outcome add Lots of different things appear to go wrong before it blows up, which means a lot to learn from
<LunchBot> Added outcome: Lots of different things appear to go wrong before it blows up, which means a lot to learn from
<FLHerne> (from an Ars comment on the Starship launch)
<FLHerne> ;outcome add You wake the Captain when the hurricane becomes sapient and grows missile pods.
<LunchBot> Added outcome: You wake the Captain when the hurricane becomes sapient and grows missile pods.
<FLHerne> ;outcome add As long as he doesn't do anything reckless or stupid, Jeb will be just fine.
<LunchBot> Added outcome: As long as he doesn't do anything reckless or stupid, Jeb will be just fine.
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<UmbralRaptop> ...is that hurricane a reference to anything?
<SporkWitch> now i'm just thinking of the next sharknado sequel lol