<Qboid>
egg: I added the explanation for this acronym.
* egg
should learn about ALGOL 68 someday
<egg>
aw, thomas is away
<egg>
!tell thomas I think a long time ago you were working on something that would allow doing things between Planetarium and VesselPrecalculate? did that succeed? https://kerbalspaceprogram.com/api/script_order.html
<Qboid>
egg: I'll redirect this as soon as they are around.
<egg>
or maybe ferram4_ knows about that?
* egg
pokes ferram4_ in the underscore
<ferram4_>
I know nothing about these things
ferram4_ is now known as ferram4
<ferram4>
egg: Is this more force-handling shenanigans?
<egg>
:D
<egg>
actually I need to run there to set the body frames
<egg>
because TILT
<ferram4>
Ah.
<egg>
... Actually I think this means the whole pile up thing that took us months and made us refactor half of ksp_plugin wasn't actually needed for 1.2
<egg>
*whistles*
<egg>
but hey, now it actually makes some sense
<egg>
and it might be testable
<egg>
and we enforce conservation of momentum, which does matter
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<egg>
flippin'eck it indeed that
<egg>
the change that introduced tilt broke timewarp, and I misattributed that to 1.2 which happened at the same time
<egg>
welp
<egg>
hey at least Cardano will have conservation of momentum, I had been promising that feature since the beginning :-p
egg is now known as egg|zzz|egg
<egg|zzz|egg>
goodnight!
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<soundnfury>
whitequark: but GFP stands for get_free_pages()
<soundnfury>
(as in GFP_KERNEL, GFP_USER, GFP_ATOMIC, GFP_NOFS, etc.)
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<GreeningGalaxy>
whitequark: you were the one with the NVMe SSD who accidentally wiped /usr very fast, and said that we really didn't want to know how you recovered it, right?
* GreeningGalaxy
suspects they might be zzz, as she should be
<Qboid>
egg|zzz|egg: (-101.436479939623 m/s (meters per second) | -18.6056918628016 m/s (meters per second) | -1921.6543217277 m/s (meters per second))/(50 Hz (hertz)): 38.48839234599 meters
<egg|zzz|egg>
blarg
<egg|zzz|egg>
!wpn UmbralRaptor
* Qboid
gives UmbralRaptor a promethium ?
* egg|zzz|egg
ponders food
<egg|zzz|egg>
ooh nice blue sky, I wonder whether I can observe tonight
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
also all that talk of language design is making me think of language design D:
* egg|unit_tests|egg
tries to resist the urge to do like mcclure111 and make a language
<UmbralRaptor>
IDL requires you buy a license to run the code, an is inexplicably popular in astronomy.
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
academia and code interact strangely, an example being the use of code as a count noun
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
UmbralRaptor: and astronomers like weird ancient tools
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
something something mercury6 pile of FORTRAN something
Thomas|AWAY is now known as Thomas
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
!wpn Thomas
* Qboid
gives Thomas an expanded rotation
<Thomas>
!wpn egg|unit_tests|egg
* Qboid
gives egg|unit_tests|egg a tangential life
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
also, where are my manners,
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
!wpn whitequark
* Qboid
gives whitequark a potassium Abelian quark
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
well that's appropriate
<whitequark>
lol
<Thomas>
!wpn -add:adj white
<Qboid>
Thomas: Adjective added!
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
well now there's a slim chance of getting white quark
<Thomas>
Qboid?
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
!wpn -stats
<Qboid>
egg|unit_tests|egg: Total weapons: 442. Total adjectives: 574. Total possible combinations: 258065435342.
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
a 1 in 258065435342 chance, specifically, assuming that this be computed correctly
<whitequark>
no?
<whitequark>
that's three words and I only need two to align
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
whitequark: it's not just <adjective> <adjective> <weapon>
<whitequark>
oh
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
there are many forms
<Thomas>
!wpn
* Qboid
gives Thomas a psi license
<Thomas>
!wpn
* Qboid
gives Thomas a stabbity nuclear heptode
<Thomas>
!wpn
* Qboid
gives Thomas a promethium photoresistor with a pommel attachment
<Thomas>
^
<Thomas>
!wpn
* Qboid
gives Thomas a surprise /kick
<whitequark>
oh.
<Thomas>
!wpn
* Qboid
gives Thomas a positive timer
<Thomas>
!wpn
* Qboid
gives Thomas an integral scalar which strongly resembles a conflict
<Thomas>
^
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
historical background: Lizzie (now dead) was a bot by GreeningGalaxy who did that, and Thomas ported that functionality following the disparition of Lizzie
<Thomas>
Qboid is like 60% features from other bots who died
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
not sure why Lizzie disappeared, did something happen to her Pi or did Greening just get sick of maintaining her
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
Thomas: I think the acronym thing is native to Qboid?
<Thomas>
Yes
<Thomas>
csharp too
<Thomas>
alias too
<Thomas>
Oh, and tea
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
ah but tea requires teabot
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
(Norgg's)
<Thomas>
<Thomas> !tea
<Thomas>
<Qboid> teabot: intercommunity
<Thomas>
<teabot> Intearcommunity.
<Thomas>
And some features arent there because a bot died, but because I saw them in other bots and liked them :D
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
Qboid used to put that in a signed 32-bit integer, which we promptly overflowed
<Thomas>
*whistle*
<whitequark>
reminds me that rust has a library for dealing with overflows in a structured way
<whitequark>
it's called "overflower"
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
cute :D
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
whitequark: so I figured out that the bug that for which we had done (and are still doing) a big refactor of half the ksp_plugin was actually something I had misdiagnosed, and was fixed with a dozen lines in the C# layer. Sooo, I guess that had I been less stupid you could be playing principia with 1.2 now :-p
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
but then this refactor will give us conservation of momentum when engines are not firing, which is nice
<Thomas>
haha
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
the KSP APIs are so fun to work with
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
and by that I mean "at least they don't try obfuscating the code anymore"
<whitequark>
ha, I wondered how you deal with that
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
and by that I mean "but then given how it's written that's not much of an improvement"
<whitequark>
lol
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
they used to obfuscate, but that was fairly trivial to read
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
because their shitty obfuscator added empty loops with a goto or a case
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
and that looked nothing like the real code, so you just skipped that
<whitequark>
so I wrote a deobfuscator/decompiler for flash once
<whitequark>
if they ever start it again...
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
some people used a deobfuscator too, I just used a decompiler
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
I think someone tried deobfuscating the assembly and noticed that the performance increased measurably?
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
Stratege_: it was you, right?
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
!seen Stratege
<Stratege_>
hm
<Qboid>
egg|unit_tests|egg: I haven't seen the user Stratege yet.
<Stratege_>
I don't think I ever got a deobfuscated version to run. But I did notice that there are some horrible issues in the original code.
Stratege_ is now known as Stratege
<Stratege>
actually, I might have once.
<Stratege>
But tbh, most of what I recall from diving way way too deep into the source was one function that was in O(n^5) or something where n is the part count of a rocket.
<Stratege>
And which probably was a big part of why large rockets killed perf
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
that's... impressive? :D
<Stratege>
yeah...
<Stratege>
loops within loops within recursion.
<Stratege>
I never got that fixed version done and patched in for testing perf differences though, sadly :/
<Thomas>
egg|unit_tests|egg: I think 32-bit is still obfuscated, 64-bit isnt
<Thomas>
because jenkins incompetence or something like that xD
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
The APIs are something though: to get the velocity of an Orbit, you have GetVel(), GetWorldSpaceVel(), getOrbitalVelocityAtObT(double, double, out Vector3d), getOrbitalVelocityAtTrueAnomaly(double), getOrbitalVelocityAtUT(double), GetRelativeVel(), GetFrameVel(), GetFrameVelAtUT(double), and vel. They're all in m/s, but I have no bloody idea which frame they're in (in particular, "World" is misleading,
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
because it may or may not include the Krakensbane velocity offset)
<whitequark>
krakensbane??
<whitequark>
getOrbitalVelocityAtTrueAnomaly???
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
that identifier makes sense
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
krakensbane... less so
<Thomas>
krakensbane is a hack for allowing large speeds of an object in unity
<whitequark>
whats true anomaly
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
a parameterization of an orbit
<Stratege>
I mean krakensbane is just the attempt to move things around so you don't lose precision with floats in the realm where you care about it.
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
otoh, what's ObT? No fucking clue
<Thomas>
orbital time?
<Thomas>
(I have no idea)
<Stratege>
wasn't there a documentation project at some point? To get some somewhat okay-ish docs for the API nightmare?
<Thomas>
There are docs from squad now
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
whitequark: true anomaly is an astronomer thing, it's the time since periapsis, rescaled from 0 to 2π.
<Stratege>
I'd trust squad docs about as much as I'd trust their code to be sane.
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
whitequark: so Unity does its crap in binary32, so you want to use high bits in double + low bits in a float or somesuch; so first they did that for positions, with FloatingOrigin, a sane name. but their velocities were smallish (that was when there was one celestial body, Kerbin, the sun was but a lens flare)
<Thomas>
It got a lot saner in 1.2
<Thomas>
partly because NK stopped sleeping
<Thomas>
:P
<whitequark>
NK?
<whitequark>
egg|unit_tests|egg: wait ksp used to have only one celestial body?
<Thomas>
NathanKell
<Thomas>
A former developer
<Thomas>
whitequark: Yup
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
whitequark: and then they added celestials, and people went to solar orbit, and velocities were large, and their vessel was destroyed in strange ways. And they did complain about it on the fora, and they did call it the kraken. And in that time squad wrote a floating origin but for velocities, differently, and independently, and they did call it Krakensbane. And the people did feast upon the lambs, and
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
sloths, and carp, and anchovies, and orangutans, and breakfast cereals, and fruit bats, and---
<whitequark>
damn I want food now
<Stratege>
and the literary style of the bible is not recommended.
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
:D
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
Stratege: it's appropriate to recount the nonsensical tales of squad development
<Stratege>
fair enough xD
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
whitequark: and in those strange eons of early KSP, in a time before timewarp, the Sun was but a flare fixed in the skybox, and Kerbin did not rotate, and the dark side of Kerbin exploded all who landed there. And it was in that time that the first modders appeared, making part mods because there were no plugins.
<Thomas>
and then there was the modder that made the plugin loader
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
[who was that actually? I don't remember that time quite well, because I dropped KSP for a while when I started studying at ETH]
<Thomas>
N3X15
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
oooh
<ferram4>
Yes, who got hired on very early.
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
Nova was one of the two earliest part modders that I remember
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
there was SundayPunch whose work was quite popular early on
<ferram4>
But he was never hired.
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
SundayPunch disappeared afaict, Nova got hired
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
also, fuck, that was in *2011* ?! blarg
<whitequark>
you're old. also, I'm old
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
well if you are to be believed we're about equally old :-p
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
(assuming that you didn't follow some weird geodesics)
<whitequark>
hahaha
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
also principia was started in 2014
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
well maybe some code was written in late 2013 before I gitted it
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
gitted? that sounds like it should be an irregular verb
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
so while I'm recounting ancient history, Nova is a central character to the creation of Principia
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
in late 2013 he made a custom solar system, Alternis Kerbol http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/57742-023-alternis-kerbol-release-thread-v01-jan-3-development-halted/&page=1
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
and he was interested in the stability thereof (with some alternatives, there was the possibility of a tiny bop as a moon-of-a-moon, which I dubbed Boepli in swiss fashion)
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
I knew about symplectic integrators from my numerics course, so I tried running things in Mathematica to simulate it, with the options chosen to use symplectic integrators. That was a bit slow since I was always poking a new modified system, so I wrote the integrator in C# (and then I emitted text to plot with Mathematica, it's nice for data visualization)
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
at which point Nova poked me into putting that integrator into KSP to see how much it would slow things down (not at all, at the time it was just celestials), and after some confusion with KSP's API yielding http://i.imgur.com/0ugq0e5.png I got some prototype plotting http://imgur.com/a/FSZ4h
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
and that was the start of principia, except when I started writing it I got tired of always confusing reference frames and units, so I tried using strongly-typed quantities, which C#'s type system can't really do, and we switched to C++ (around that time phl joined)
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
<an early history of principia/>
TonyC1 is now known as TonyC
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
!wpn UmbralRaptor
* Qboid
gives UmbralRaptor a function
<whitequark>
!wpn
* Qboid
gives whitequark a field effect cohomology
<UmbralRaptor>
!wpn egg|unit_tests|egg
* Qboid
gives egg|unit_tests|egg a NFPA 704 contravariant fountain pen which vaguely resembles a ☢
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
whitequark: I think initially Greening had intended this to dispense things like pointy swords which vaguely resemble a dagger, but egg happened and now it gives you cohomologies
* UmbralRaptor
wonders if there are hazard diamonds with ☢ on them.
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
whitequark: you can use cohomology to show that you can cut a ham sandwich btw
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
(it's typically formulated with a ham sandwich, but I prefer saying "a ham", they tend to be less regularly shaped: you can cut a ham along a plane in such a way that there are equal amounts of fat, bone, and meat on either side)
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
ah yes, building theory has some fun names
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
whitequark: I did a BS thesis that involves "walls", and I think those are actually related to that terminology (but they other constructs don't make it into the stuff I was looking it, so I just have walls in the middle of nowhere)
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
I think they actually bound half-apartments or somesuch
<whitequark>
lol
<whitequark>
what
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
because you see, Tits & Bruhat come up with an eccentric but consistent terminology with buildings and apartments etc.
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
and then you throw mathematicians at that
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
and you get the normal half-badness by parts stuck onto that :-p
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
bofh: I was using my father old's refractor in normandy, and during the day there's not much to look at except the cows across the Seine; so I took those photos; then Iskierka looked at some cows (possibly other animals) in her telescope in England
<bofh>
LOL
<bofh>
so what's the magnification on that?
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
hmm, I don't recall, but I think the most magnified are with barlow... lemme check, I have my scope config saved in stellarium
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
so, the refractor is 800 mm focal length, the eyepiece is probably either the 4 mm ortho or the 6 mm HM
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
;rpn 800 4 / 2 *
<kmath_>
egg|unit_tests|egg: 400.0
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
so the barlowed photos would be at 400? seems high
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
I mean we're clearly limited by atmospheric distortion, by day during a hot summer
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
plenty of light though
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
at the time there was some talk of adaptive opticks and a laser guide cow
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
anyway, since then we've referred to the place where this scope lives as ANBO
<bofh>
LOL laser guide cow
<egg|unit_tests|egg>
there's a cat there too, which gets referred to as ANBOcat of course
<egg>
bofh: btw, further telescope information: here in zurich I have a different scope, an 80 mm refractor (300 mm focal length). It's actually a big finder, hence the really short focal
egg is now known as egg|nomz|egg
<bofh>
on that note should make sure my EUCAS registration went through (I'll be in Geneva in Sept. again, yay!)
<egg|nomz|egg>
!acr -add:EUCAS EUropean Conference on Applied Superconductivity
<Qboid>
egg|nomz|egg: I added the explanation for this acronym.
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<egg|nomz|egg>
o/ regex
<regex>
\o egg|nomz|egg
<egg|nomz|egg>
regex: I believe you haven't met whitequark and bofh
<regex>
hello whitequark and bofh
<whitequark>
hi regex
<SnoopJeDi>
bofh, you're a superconductivity whatsit?
<bofh>
I'd say theorist but that's not quite true at this point.
<SnoopJeDi>
My labmate's thesis topic is Bi-2212 wire fabrication!
<egg>
... I may have made this joke to whitequark a page above :D
<pizzaoverhead>
...joke? :D
<whitequark>
lol
<pizzaoverhead>
I must revive the pizza pod mod.
<egg>
pizzaoverhead: <whitequark> maybe I should just go buy some<egg|unit_tests|egg> that sounds like a solution to that problem<egg|unit_tests|egg> whitequark: I mean, I'd gladly offer some, but I don't have an ICBM at hand to lob food at you
<whitequark>
in hk there's a brand of fruit juice called "minutemaid"
<bofh>
> My labmate's thesis topic is Bi-2212 wire fabrication!
<whitequark>
and all i can think of is the ICBM
<bofh>
oh COOL!
* UmbralRaptor
is fairly certain that minutemaid is also a thing in the US.
<whitequark>
oh it's just whitewashed cocacola
<egg>
whitequark: speaking of food, drinks, and missiles, I launched a bottle of wine into orbit with KSP (RO) a while ago http://imgur.com/a/gLG9j
<whitequark>
why is it angled? O_o
<whitequark>
I've never seen anyone build craft like that
<egg>
whitequark: no guidance except on the last stage, japanese style
<egg>
well there is no wine in RealFuels so it was probably hydrazine or somesuch to get a close enough density
<pizzaoverhead>
Also RO is looking stunning these days.
<bofh>
SnoopJeDi: currently feeding ~60T across some La(1.8-x)Eu0.2SrxCuO4 and watching AC susceptibility data
<egg>
whitequark: the first stage of that is the first stage of a Minuteman I (M55) I think?
<SnoopJeDi>
neato
<pizzaoverhead>
egg: Entirely unrealistic though. No cloud cover over the British Isles.
<egg>
I hadn't installed the clouds mods
<SnoopJeDi>
bofh, I don't do any of the SC stuff, I mostly spend my time thinking about accelerator dynamics and making bad simulations thereof
<egg>
just blackrack's shaders mods probably
<egg>
pizzaoverhead: also taht was 1.0.5
<pizzaoverhead>
:D
<SnoopJeDi>
but since we're a magnet lab it's a subject of some concern to us
<pizzaoverhead>
No Planetshine?
<bofh>
which one?
<bofh>
^SnoopJeDi
<SnoopJeDi>
bofh, TAMU
<SnoopJeDi>
I mean, I say "magnet lab" but there hasn't really been much rubber meeting the road since 2013 on hardware, DOE yanked the carpet out from under us
<bofh>
ahh, ouch.
<SnoopJeDi>
Seems like the official US policy on magnets is to close up shop
<bofh>
I'm at LANL Pulsed-Field for another uh 6 hours
<pizzaoverhead>
That sucks :/ Seems to be the policy on lots of research these days.
<SnoopJeDi>
oh neat
<SnoopJeDi>
ever met a Dr. Wood? (or maybe she goes by Dr. Sooby out there)
<bofh>
also starting to suspect the US policy on * is to close up shop
<SnoopJeDi>
bofh, the fact that a DOE proposal I was supposed to hear about 2 weeks ago is still outstanding seems to agree
<bofh>
so like the entire US govt is currently, uh
<pizzaoverhead>
The UK decided to leave Euratom earlier this year, cutting the funding for the JET tokamak.
<bofh>
somewhere between nonfunctional and negative expected utility?
<pizzaoverhead>
It ain't just the US
<SnoopJeDi>
Certainly not in accelerators
<bofh>
oh man I forgot about Brexit almost. yaey.
<SnoopJeDi>
CERN's official policy re: FCC is "16 T IS VERY FEASIBLE LA LA LA WE CAN'T HEAR YOU"
<pizzaoverhead>
breuratomexit is the worst part
<bofh>
FCC?
<SnoopJeDi>
"future circular collider"
<SnoopJeDi>
100 km, 100 TeV mega-LHC basically
<SnoopJeDi>
100 km circumference, that is
<egg>
!acr -add:FCC Future Circular Collider
<Qboid>
egg: I added the explanation for this acronym.
<egg>
(to test the latest and greatest from what's featured in the Not Even Wrong blog, I gather? :-p)
<Qboid>
pizzaoverhead: I added the explanation for this acronym.
<whitequark>
actually you stop feeling hunger after about two days
<whitequark>
but it became somewhat hard to walk
<egg>
O_o
<whitequark>
bofh: I *used* to have sleep schedule like that (well it was never quite as bad)
<whitequark>
I think at some point I watched the entire Battlestar Galactica in one go
<pizzaoverhead>
google ICBM: Top stories: "Revealed: This is when Kim Jong-un's ICBM nuke will hit the US"
<pizzaoverhead>
No. Bad google.
<bofh>
no. that is not a thin.
<bofh>
thing*
<whitequark>
what isn't
<bofh>
NK having ICBMs with that range.
<whitequark>
ah yeah.
<egg>
bofh: or at least that range *and that precision*
<egg>
they have orbital launchers
<bofh>
when did google get into the business of shoddily scraping their search results for keywords and then reporting that as "news"?
<whitequark>
bofh: about a year ago I think
<egg>
the machine learning people are nuts I believe
<bofh>
I refuse to believe it's even ML since how do you fuck up ML that badly
<pizzaoverhead>
bofh: Hawaii and Alaska perhaps.
<egg>
the problem is googlers are sort of the last to learn about google things, so this has started making waves internally
<egg>
(i.e. memegen is full of it)
<pizzaoverhead>
bofh: ML relies on a sensible training set
<whitequark>
bofh: I think by living in San Francisco
<pizzaoverhead>
!acr ML
<Qboid>
pizzaoverhead: This key is not registered!
<bofh>
so have we finally come to the consensus that the NK seismic signatures are that of nukes and not, like, someone tossing a bunch of ANFO down a mineshaft and lighting it?
<whitequark>
it's like -10 to wisdom
<pizzaoverhead>
!acr -add:ML Machine learning
<Qboid>
pizzaoverhead: I added the explanation for this acronym.
<Qboid>
[#1237] title: Principia doesn't start, solution isn't in FAQ. | Like the title says Principia doesn't start. I've got the 64 bit version of ksp 1.2.2.1622. I've got the principia dll in the right place, I've got the visual c++ redistributable packages and I've got the permissions of the ksp folder set to full control for everyone.... | https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/issues/123
<Qboid>
7
<egg>
Qboid stop truncating links
<whitequark>
pickles, fried chicken or beef or pork if there's absolutely no fat or bone or sinew in it, potatoes (as long as they have only one phase), apples, plums, whichever thing it is that's like a middle ground between an apple and a plum whose name I don't recall, ramen, bread, jello
<whitequark>
uhm
<whitequark>
that's largely it
<whitequark>
combinations are fine as long they are distinct phases. sauces are *not* fine
<egg>
whitequark: so you don't like fat, but you like your chicken fried?
<whitequark>
I mean just heated in a pan at over 100°C
<egg>
aah ok
<SnoopJeDi>
pan-fried usually disambiguates that
<egg>
yeah the english are terrible at food terminology
<SnoopJeDi>
well, it's still frying in its own fat
<egg>
and what do you mean by one phase of potatoes?
<whitequark>
which fat
<bofh>
whitequark: also is any phase fine?
<bofh>
i.e. gas-phase potatoes okay?
<SnoopJeDi>
egg, besides, the French have a word for fond and that's just silly :P
<egg>
:D
<SnoopJeDi>
Kenji has a propensity to refer to it as "tasty brown gunk"
<egg>
SnoopJeDi: but it litterally means "bottom" (of a vessel)
<whitequark>
egg: I mean they could be mashed or fried or boiled (fried potatoes are the one thing with oil i like) but you ought not boil them in their own skin
<whitequark>
because that would be two distinct phases
<whitequark>
bofh: sure why not
<whitequark>
oh
<egg>
SnoopJeDi: so it's what at the bottom of the pot
<whitequark>
eggs, hard-boiled
<whitequark>
and sausage, which is another incredibly ambiguous english word
<SnoopJeDi>
egg, I believe the etymology is actually because it's the foundation of the sauce you build by deglazing?
<whitequark>
>deglazing
<egg>
déglacer
<egg>
they stole that too :-p
<SnoopJeDi>
wikipedia says referring to the bits as fond is a US thing so eh
<pizzaoverhead>
Sausage: Minced meats of mostly animal origin in cylinder form.
<SnoopJeDi>
with/without novel stress patterns that make it curl when cooked, depending on method of preparation
<egg>
SnoopJeDi: a fond doesn't have large solids
<pizzaoverhead>
The Scottish modify the recipe by making "square sausage"
<SnoopJeDi>
yea I didn't realize "sucs" was used to refer to the material egg
<whitequark>
pizzaoverhead: yeah but there are so many kinds of sausage
<whitequark>
bologna sausage ≠ smoked sausage ≠ whatever is the kind of sausage you put in boiling water before eating
<SnoopJeDi>
egg, but that rather proves my point about French and culinary language ;P
<whitequark>
bologna sausage is seriously underappreciated
<egg>
whitequark: I wonder whether you would like potato puree (that is potatoes mashed and mixed with some amount of butter), given that you do like oil in fried potatoes
<egg>
(they should ideally be filtrated)
<pizzaoverhead>
whitequark: Cylindrical spiced meat affords quite an amount of variation.
<egg>
(so I guess that makes it very much one phase)
<whitequark>
egg: I don't know if the thing you call puree is the thing I call puree so I can't answer
<egg>
(well filtrated with a coarse enough sieve that you can shove mashed potatoes through them)
<egg>
whitequark: boil potatoes; mash them; mix with butter (proportions vary); pass through coarse sieve; probably reheat if the sieving was slow and let things cool; serve with something.
<egg>
(like meat or whatever)
<SnoopJeDi>
with or without skins?
<egg>
you peel em first
<SnoopJeDi>
potato preparation that discards the skin makes me sad :(
<bofh>
pizzaoverhead: related, it annoys me so much most kitchens lack an LN2 tap
* egg
agrees with bofh
<egg>
also should try to find a way of getting some
<SnoopJeDi>
egg, there are certainly mashed potato variants with skins kept on
<whitequark>
egg: come to RU
<egg>
yes but that is not what I mean by puree :-p
<pizzaoverhead>
bofh: You mean you don't have a dispenser on your fridge? How else do you supercool your drinks?
<whitequark>
LN2 here is a waste, you walk into Курчатовский институт with a thermos flask and they are glad to get rid of it
<SnoopJeDi>
you said mash not puree in the last message :P
<egg>
I mean it's cheap here too iirc
<egg>
recall a physics prof saying "it's like beer"
<SnoopJeDi>
There's an LN2 ice cream joint in Austin that we visit occasionally whenever we trek down there
<egg>
(comparing it with helium, which isn't cheap)
<whitequark>
egg: LN2 is genreally cheaper than bottled water
<SnoopJeDi>
It does exactly nothing for the taste
<whitequark>
much less beer
<pizzaoverhead>
egg: Beer eh? Tell me more :D
<SnoopJeDi>
But Modernist Cuisine's perfect burger calls for LN2 soooo...
<bofh>
22:11 <@whitequark> LN2 here is a waste, you walk into Курчатовский институт with a thermos flask and they are glad to get rid of it
<whitequark>
you have humongous amounts of discarded LN2 from liquefaction of air, which you do if you need noble gases or LOX
<SnoopJeDi>
you sous vide the patty, dunk in LN2 to establish a thermal buffer, then deep fry to get Maillard on the exterior without cooking the interior
<whitequark>
bofh: yes, they will just pour it into any provided container
<bofh>
so like that's how it is at the chem lab both at my old place nad new one
<egg>
I mean if I tried I could probably talk to someone at ETHZ
<SnoopJeDi>
which is...waaaaaay too much work for a hamburger
<egg>
SnoopJeDi: yeah I have MC
<egg>
it's a good book
<bofh>
like I mean I would fill up dewars at 4AM alone all the time
<SnoopJeDi>
So I hear, egg
<SnoopJeDi>
I'm still mastering the basics, so I mostly stick to whatever Kenji is saying on any subject (also because fanboyism)
<SnoopJeDi>
Still yet to make all of the mother sauces, I think Béchamel is really the only one I've done
<bofh>
egg: so once I joked about what someone would do if I vented a 500L liquid He dewar
<egg>
D:
<bofh>
response was something like "so we'd debate killing you, but your life insurance wouldn't be enough to pay for that"
<bofh>
(I wouldn't ever actually do that)
<bofh>
(good god)
<SnoopJeDi>
calling a 500 L vessela dewar makes me really uncomfortable
<egg>
whitequark: though cake doesn't figure in your list of things you like?
<UmbralRaptor>
Frosting probably makes it multiphase?
<pizzaoverhead>
whitequark: Part of the process of baking is drying. The closed environment of the saucepan and lid without a moisture sink may have contributed to the difficulty.
<SnoopJeDi>
Baking science is fascinating. I'm still blown away by the difference a bit of water in a pan (or ice cubes) makes in the crispness of a baguette or loaf
<egg>
wet bulb vs dry bulb \o/
<egg>
(aka relative humidity in the oven screws with you in creative ways)
<egg>
(aka if you cook two cakes they cook faster)
<pizzaoverhead>
SnoopJeDi: There is a lot happening. I find it incredible that humans have tuned it to a fine art over millennia with little understanding of the underlying processes.
<SnoopJeDi>
yea pizzaoverhead, the historical implications of bread are fun to consider
<SnoopJeDi>
i.e. it's very obvious how you get from unleavened bread to leavened bread, but what the heck was going on that people took a not-very-tasty plant, ground it up, mixed it with water, and put it to heat?
<SnoopJeDi>
and then yea all the details of cultivating starters, kneading...
<pizzaoverhead>
I was at a beer brewing course recently where I learned that beers were originally given their yeast by a "magic stick" (with yeast colony) that turns things into beer when you stir them with it.
<pizzaoverhead>
Ah, so you have a motive for defacing them. THE PLOT THICKENS
<SilverFox>
also my numbers are 8124
<egg>
whitequark: ok, here's a hardware project, the flexible handles for this mount keep falling off :-p
<whitequark>
egg: I told you about solvespace yet right?
<egg>
yes
<egg>
(they are mounted by tightening screws against a, what do you call that in english, a shaft whose cross-section is a half-moon (the screw presses against the flat part), and the screws unscrew themselves as you use the handles)
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<egg>
there's probably an easy fix by making notches on the shafts
<Wetmelon>
o/
<egg>
but anyway, observing time
<Wetmelon>
Defnitely do that
<whitequark>
egg: set screw and a D-shaft
<whitequark>
I think
<egg>
I gather from this map that Sex is boring (there's one galaxy in there, and that's definitely not something for this scope and sky)
<egg>
(bounded by Leo, Crt, and Hya, and exactly where my window is right now)
<egg>
also it's cold
* egg
looks for socks and gloves
<whitequark>
i just turn up the air conditioner :p
<egg>
whitequark: oh, were the window not wide open this would not be an issue
<whitequark>
I *wish* I could live with an open window here
<egg>
whitequark: but I am trying to minimize the amount of dirty glass between my eye and the sky
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<whitequark>
but no, it's far too humid
<whitequark>
oh
<bofh>
whitequark: wait until typhoon season :P
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<whitequark>
bofh: wait what
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<egg>
blorg the g/are vwith that teonn kills deey sky anytoy
<bofh>
so it's not as bad as Tawian, but May - Sept there's a good chance of at least one typhoon hitting inland (though they weaken to the point where they aren't dangerous by the time they're inland)
<egg>
also typinf with glves is hard
<bofh>
oh would it be an issue if I invite a friend into this channel? (astro master's student, fairly quiet even on irc)
<bofh>
egg: that it is
<whitequark>
bofh: yes I know about typhoons
<whitequark>
once I was going to buy something or the like, I go out, there's light rain
<egg>
bofh: 1. sure, 2. typing with gloves? yeah (I am back to freezing my hands for this message actually :-p
<whitequark>
then I realize everything's closed
<whitequark>
and apparently HKO has issued "typhoon warning 7" or whatever
<whitequark>
it was just a bit of wind! wtf, hongkongers?!
<whitequark>
and a taxi driver charged me extra. asshole.
<egg>
I have *one* naked eye star in this window with the @#$%^& moon
<Iskierka>
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from death rays."
<bofh>
egg: like okay I have thin enough gloves that typing isn't too bad, I was for some reason thinking you were typing w/mitts on which is like much worse
<bofh>
whitequark: heh rofl
<bofh>
whitequark: so someone I know once got caught in a typhoon that hit inland
<egg>
not mitt- but leather doubled with wool
<bofh>
described it as "walking through a slightly vigorous bathroom shower"
<Iskierka>
;wpn -add:wpn ray
<egg>
so possible but hald
<Iskierka>
!wpn -add:wpn ray
<Qboid>
Iskierka: Weapon already added!
<Iskierka>
!wpn -add:wpn death ray
<Qboid>
Iskierka: Weapon added!
<Iskierka>
!wpn -add:adj death
<Qboid>
Iskierka: Adjective added!
<egg>
buts thes you can eget a death tdeath ray
<whitequark>
bofh: that is very accurate.
<whitequark>
also I am told that while HK loves to close, SZ just over the border doesn't care.
<Iskierka>
for extra death
<Iskierka>
!wpn egg
* Qboid
gives egg a monad
* whitequark
slaps Qboid around a bit with a large trout
<bofh>
TW also doesn't care despite them getting some of the strongest bits
<bofh>
so I think this is just HK being uh
<egg>
around alphard ut's saner with the glare
<bofh>
so you know how like 1mm of osnow falls in like Texas sometimes and EVERY ROAD JAMS and places close?
<bofh>
s/osnow/snow/
<Qboid>
bofh meant to say: so you know how like 1mm of snow falls in like Texas sometimes and EVERY ROAD JAMS and places close?
<bofh>
yeah that
<whitequark>
lol
<bofh>
!wpn Qboid
* Qboid
gives Qboid a finite nova
<whitequark>
yes, inexplicably, I know
<whitequark>
despite never having been in texas
<bofh>
a good chunk of California does the same
<egg>
france can do that too, but they can also do that when the weather's nice
<egg>
or when it rains
<egg>
or really whenever
<bofh>
so like once me and someone I knew from North Saskatchewan were talking with south Canada folk about how snow days work
<bofh>
basically how snow days work in North Sask is they debate sending you home from school when the temperature drops from -30C to -40C and the blizzard visibility goes from 1m to not
<bofh>
don't worry the students wound up having to push the bus part of the way
<bofh>
to me this seems perfectly reasonable but everyone else there was like "WTF???"
<bofh>
egg: I think that's just a property of France, not a property of weather.
<egg>
hehe
<egg>
bofh: also naming things in mathematics
* egg
likes his conifers
<soundnfury>
!wpn
* Qboid
gives soundnfury a boiled thyme pentagon
* soundnfury
gives Qboid some sage advice.
<soundnfury>
(well, that's only parsley true)
<egg>
ok, Hya is mostly under a roof, Sex is boring, and the moon is mmessing up all of Leo, that's it for today's observing session :-p
<bofh>
soundnfury: *facepalm*
<whitequark>
dear. these Apple identifiers are monstrous