UmbralRaptor changed the topic of #kspacademia to: https://gist.github.com/pdn4kd/164b9b85435d87afbec0c3a7e69d3e6d | Dogs are cats. Spiders are cat interferometers. | Космизм сегодня! | Document well, for tomorrow you may get mauled by a ネコバス. | <UmbralRaptor> … one of the other grad students just compared me to nomal O_o | <ferram4> I shall beat my problems to death with an engineer.
<bofh> I was thinking of IR59
<bofh> which may or may not be visible from where you are
<egg> oh yes the earth is not actually flat
<egg> damn it
<egg> bofh: yeah it's well underground until sunrise
<egg> yeah, for sats you can't assume that the earth is a point >_>
<egg> bofh: yeah that one next flares next night for me, peaking at 4.92
<bofh> it's peaking at -8.2 for a friend, peaking at I think -1.7 for me
<egg> -8.2 is impressive
<egg> also magnitudes are silly (poke UmbralRaptor)
<kmath> <Dr_Dan2> In order to be more compliant with the safety officer, I got new signs for the lab. https://t.co/w51UtRD6z0
<bofh> so badly
<bofh> holy fuck
<kmath> <DJSnM> @elonmusk Assuming it's a RTLS landing.... or is there a plan to refuel on barge and fly back?
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<egg> or just second launch from the barge, landing on a barge further east?
<egg> dot the atlantic with barges
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<bofh> I read that as "second lunch from the barge" and got VERY confused
<UmbralRaptor> Hobbit 9
<egg|zzz|egg> bofh: UmbralRaptor: second breakfast from the barge you mean
<UmbralRaptor> >_>
<whitequark> GreeningGalaxy: OMG
<GreeningGalaxy> I don't think it will last 10000 years though
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<GreeningGalaxy> mother fucker, I just stepped in super glue
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<UmbralRaptor> Did it destroy your soul?
<UmbralRaptor> (pun intended)
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<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn whitequark
* Qboid gives whitequark a holomorphic cocycle
<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn UmbralRaptor
* Qboid gives UmbralRaptor an osmium photothyristor
<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn GreeningGalaxy
* Qboid gives GreeningGalaxy a cinematic number
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptor: GreeningGalaxy: more cat (apparently the catpics moved to another platform) https://mastodon.social/@scanlime/1380632
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptor: I don't get the pun
<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn Iskierka
* Qboid gives Iskierka a progressive p-value
<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn ferram4
* Qboid gives ferram4 a psi feathered triangle
<egg|zzz|egg> some sort of !%#@$% hymenopteran just came in
<Iskierka> !wpn egg
* Qboid gives egg a planar emitter with a lamp attachment
* egg|zzz|egg is in another room, listening to the hymenopteran via microphone
<egg|zzz|egg> go away you stupid arthropod
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<egg|zzz|egg> yay annoying hymenopteran left the room just as I was going back in I think
<egg|zzz|egg> no need for chemical warfare
<egg|zzz|egg> also coffee time
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<egg> !wpn UmbralRaptor
* Qboid gives UmbralRaptor an explosive zone
<UmbralRaptor> !wpn egg
* Qboid gives egg a semisimple catadioptric rake
<egg> uh so after all that hymenopteran wasn't gone
* egg eggsterminates
<egg> the problem being, I now have a dead or annoyed and dying hymenopteran somewhere in my room
<egg> and I don't know where
<egg> >_>
<egg> UmbralRaptor: large synoptic survey arthropodoscope?
<egg> stabbity
<egg> !wpn UmbralRaptor
* Qboid gives UmbralRaptor a smoked ellipsoid
<egg> !wpn -add:adj triaxial
<Qboid> egg: Adjective added!
<egg> !wpn GreeningGalaxy
* Qboid gives GreeningGalaxy a platinum gegenschein-like morphism
<egg> !wpn Norgg
* Qboid gives Norgg a triple fried pentode
<Norgg> !wpn egg
* Qboid gives egg a Taylor catbus with a pigeon attachment
<Norgg> It was interesting going through all the stuff that came up from a second person trying to build Principia.
<egg> Norgg: hah
<egg> Norgg: there's someone in #principia trying to build it on mac again
<UmbralRaptor> So, apparently there's some Russian signage in the Chemistry department. https://goo.gl/photos/NuuNv4Qq8ES4KUTu7
<Norgg> egg: How've they been getting on? When was the last time it was built for mac?
<egg> Norgg: apparently they have a build?
<egg> Norgg: not sure whether they needed to patch it
<egg> they tend to sleep when I'm awake
* UmbralRaptor stares at a work mac.
* egg wonders how he's going to find that wasp? body
* UmbralRaptor ponders the madness this implies.
* egg assumes it's a wasp?
<egg> UmbralRaptor: ?
<UmbralRaptor> WASP?
<egg> well I'm not sure what sort of hymenopteran that was
<UmbralRaptor> egg: ksp/principia porpoise
<egg> probably a vespid of sorts though
<egg> a bit big for a wasp? but too small for a hornet I think
<egg> so given the season, *might* have been a queen wasp looking for a place to nest?
<UmbralRaptor> !acr -add:WASP Wide Angle Survey for Planets
<Qboid> UmbralRaptor: I added the explanation for this acronym.
<egg> I'm pretty sure I eggsterminated it, but I have no idea where the body is
<egg> and I sort of don't want to step on that >_<
<egg> (or sleep on it for that matter)
* UmbralRaptor wonders how egg killed it.
<egg> not stabbing, otherwise I'd know where it is
<egg> chemical warfare
<egg> Pyrethrum
<UmbralRaptor> Did you caffinate the air?
<egg> UmbralRaptor: what if the insect is a mathematician
<UmbralRaptor> Then you get a rigorous proof of death.
<UmbralRaptor> lolsob https://arxiv.org/abs/1703.10470
<egg> UmbralRaptor: even more cat https://mastodon.social/@scanlime/1387533
<UmbralRaptor> hrm
<egg> Norgg: <lamont> https://imgur.com/a/RoUqQ
<egg> -dirty, so they did do some changes
<Norgg> Whee
<egg> (don't trust the date, it's the commit date)
<egg> meanwhile progress on https://github.com/bazelbuild/bazel/issues/374 is still slow
<Qboid> [#374] title: $ are not allowed in filename of a filegroup | Ultimately any character can be part of a filename. We should probably allow that.... | https://github.com/bazelbuild/bazel/issues/374
<egg> (that's the thing preventing us from switching to bazel)
<Norgg> Commit date at the start is 2017-03-28, but built date is 2017-03-25?
<Norgg> Are those the wrong way round?
<egg> Norgg: tag has 2017-03-28 in the name
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<egg> commit date is 2017-03-25
<Norgg> Ah, k.
<egg> that's reported as "built date" because old string :-p
<egg> Norgg: tag was postdated to the new moon
<egg> built a couple of days before, released a few hours before
<egg> Norgg: releases are lunar now :-p
<egg> Norgg: hence the NEW MOON SYMBOL in https://twitter.com/eggleroy/status/846455495271612416
<kmath> <eggleroy> ?Cardano, the new release of Principia, is out, targeting KSP 1.2.2, and bringing with it axial tilt. https://t.co/5J2mNCOLFh
<Norgg> <3
<egg> !u ?
<Qboid> U+1F311 NEW MOON SYMBOL (?)
<Norgg> I wrote an irc bot module once that got the current moon phase by running emacs headlessly and using its built-in lunar phase command.
<egg> that... that seems like an odd way to do it
<Norgg> Couldn't find any other command line tool that did it out the box at the time.
<egg> Norgg: whereas you could simply integrate the solar system and find the phase that way :D
<Norgg> :D
<Norgg> Leave Principia running in realtime and have the bot query that when anyone asks.
<egg> Norgg: we vaguely discussed the possibility of a SIMBADbot with UmbralRaptor at some point
<Thomas> Commandline KSP
<Norgg> Back when I wrote ruby.
<egg> but talking to their API sounds annoying
<UmbralRaptor> Ditching the graphics would greatly improve KSP's performance on my birds…
<egg> UmbralRaptor: I'm not exactly sure how graphicsless KSP would work for the rocket design part
<egg> flying it just with graphs and consoles sounds entirely doable
<egg> also might lead to moments of *staring at graphs in confusion while rocket explosion is evident outside*
<egg> Norgg: that would be a bit too spammy for IRC though
<UmbralRaptor> That sounds impressively realistic.
<Norgg> egg: You'd just grab the interesting bits?
<egg> possibly
<egg> Norgg: will have to learn some snek, since I'll be working in youtube which is full of that, so might do that :-p
<Norgg> Twitch Plays KSP
<egg> UmbralRaptor: yeah but what about the rocket design
<egg> that sounds impractical in a terminal
<Norgg> Ohhh, following your pa to el goog? :D
<egg> yeah
<UmbralRaptor> hrm
* egg hopes that he'll get egg as a username >_>
<UmbralRaptor> +egg
<egg> nah, not Google+, just the actual username (email address @google.com, and used everywhere internally, turned into links etc.)
<egg> e.g. that's what you put in the TODOs
<egg> UmbralRaptor: for the rocket design you could have graphs/terminal stuff for analysis (after all the FAR UI isn't too far from that), but the actual building of the rocket?
<egg> ...you'd need a rocket hardware description language?
<UmbralRaptor> Something to read part files and write craft files.
<UmbralRaptor> RHDL… am I going to end up running KSP on an FGPA?
<egg> UmbralRaptor: ... a language where you describe stage interfaces?
<egg> and engine plumbing
<UmbralRaptor> And aerodynamic surfaces.
<egg> UmbralRaptor: so a mix of a HDL and solvespace....
<UmbralRaptor> >_>
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<egg> !wpn Iskierka
* Qboid gives Iskierka a ruby geodesic maser
<egg> !wpn Thomas
* Qboid gives Thomas a zonal resonance/checker hybrid
<egg> bofh: you're not nickserved for some reason
<egg> so chanserv isn't opping you
<Thomas> egg: You could chanserv the IP / username
<egg> I guess
<Iskierka> usernames are fakable and IP may not be static?
<egg> !wpn UmbralRaptor
* Qboid gives UmbralRaptor a Brillouin sabot
<UmbralRaptor> !wpn egg
* Qboid gives egg a benzene prediction
<bofh> I wonder how a Brillouin sabot looks like in momentum space.
<egg> !wpn bofh
* Qboid gives bofh a transitive hydra
<egg> bofh: hm
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* egg gives bofh a root system
<egg> UmbralRaptor: I'm confused by the arrangement of this table https://twitter.com/Newpa_Hasai/status/847813248967684096
<kmath> <Newpa_Hasai> химическая! https://t.co/Lvf3kVK2Jd
<UmbralRaptor> egg: it's greatly lacking in transition metals for some reason.
<egg> UmbralRaptor: well they seem to be there, but folded weirdly?
<UmbralRaptor> o_O
<bofh> egg: lol
<egg> ?
<bofh> egg: also the fuck is up with that ""periodic table""
<egg> ask UmbralRaptor
<UmbralRaptor> bofh: something I found in the chemistry department.
<bofh> I'm more weirded out by the "R2O3" and crap at the bottom
<bofh> the d-block is just inexplicably line-wrapped
<UmbralRaptor> I think the R_x O_y is the most common oxide?
<UmbralRaptor> Would fit with the RH_3,etc
<egg> bofh: linewrapped, but skipping the rare gas column
<bofh> yeah, but why are there chemical formulae there above the f-block for no good reason?
<UmbralRaptor> I don't know, ask a Russian?
<egg> bofh: presumably because an element in the rare gas column denotes line continuation? >_>
<egg> periodic table on punchcards >_>
<UmbralRaptor> That's way under 80 columns.
<egg> bofh: so the R2O3 might be "what oxides those elements form"?
<egg> but that doesn't fit having RO4 under the rare gases
<egg> HeO4? >_>
<egg> works for XeO4 but xenon is weird
<egg> bofh: the element names appear quite transparent
<egg> @#^$@#$% german
<Soozee> Unknown command, try @list
<egg> > (egg :: Egg) == egg
<Soozee> False
<Norgg> Twitter are killing eggs. :(
<Norgg> egg I hope you are safe.
<egg> D:
<egg> oh so that's why iskie wasn't an egg anymore
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<egg> UmbralRaptor: what the hell
<UmbralRaptor> egg: people on arXiv being silly.
<regex> That is amazing
<egg> UmbralRaptor: the pdf appears garbled?
<UmbralRaptor> blarg
<regex> Is that synopsis ever going away?
<egg> uh the text is fine
<egg> selecting and copying yields the text
<egg> but it's garbled when rendered by chrome
<UmbralRaptor> regex: LSST?
<regex> No, the page
<UmbralRaptor> It should stay up as long as the site does.
<UmbralRaptor> egg: pdf seems fine on my phone. >_>
<regex> That is amazing.
<egg> !wpn UmbralRaptor
* Qboid gives UmbralRaptor a McShipFace
<egg> !wpn regex
* Qboid gives regex a technetium laser
<egg> !wpn bofh
* Qboid gives bofh a Kusanagi
<egg> !wpn Norgg
* Qboid gives Norgg a paramagnetic ㎭
<egg> !u ㎭
<Qboid> U+33AD SQUARE RAD (㎭)
<egg> >_>
<egg> UmbralRaptor: GreeningGalaxy: https://twitter.com/eevee/status/847865331880050688
<kmath> <eevee> @0xabad1dea nice. hmu if you need to borrow a black cat or anything
<bofh> https://twitter.com/diodebot/status/829224781979516928 pretty sure this is mostly useless
<kmath> <diodebot> bidirectional diode
<egg> bofh: ah yes, a fancy wire
<egg> bofh: make sure to protect them by putting them in series with a 0 Ω resistor
<Iskierka> maybe it's for making sure there's exactly a particular voltage drop on the fancy wire
<GreeningGalaxy> bofh: I think that's called a DIAC
<bofh> Iskierka: oh, that would actually be a use for that.
<bofh> but it makes perfect sense
<GreeningGalaxy> oh interesting
<GreeningGalaxy> although JFETs being JFETs I'm sure they don't like much current.
<GreeningGalaxy> I've used that circuit before lots, but never heard of it consolidated into one part
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<technicalfool> isk - I think that's what Zener diodes do?
<GreeningGalaxy> wow, that thing's expensive too
<technicalfool> They have a designed breakdown voltage in the reverse direction.
<technicalfool> you can use them for inefficient power regulation - any overvoltage gets dumped to ground via a whatever-volt zener.
<GreeningGalaxy> Good for clamping sensitive stuff. I've used them to protect Raspberry Pi GPIOs.
<GreeningGalaxy> I've also heard of Zener diodes whose reverse breakdown voltage is actually lower than the forward barrier voltage, so they conduct better backwards than forwards.
<egg> O_o
<GreeningGalaxy> there are also ones with negative resistance, so (to some extent) the more voltage you put across them, the less current flows.
<Iskierka> ... would that make a constant-power diode?
<egg> !wpn GreeningGalaxy
* Qboid gives GreeningGalaxy a pointy fan
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<soundnfury> !wpn -add:adj Bourbaki
<Qboid> soundnfury: Adjective added!
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<UmbralRaptor> Birb!
<UmbralRaptor> "Why is there an angry dinosaur hanging from your ceiling fan?"
<egg> O_o
<Iskierka> "Iunno, they just do that sometimes."
<kmath> <DJSnM> I ❤️ Ailerons - because that's how I roll. https://t.co/pQxiP54CAq
<soundnfury> no spoilers?
<ferram4> Yeah, spoilers are also used for roll.
<egg> ... today's smbc gets dilation backwards doesn't it
<ferram4> Particularly on lots of supersonic fighters.
<soundnfury> ferram4: indeed
<Iskierka> well they help with adverse yaw
<egg> UmbralRaptor: I think that periodic table is ukrainian btw?
<egg> but ask bofh he seems to actually know about those things
<egg> (or whitequark)
<whitequark> which one
<UmbralRaptor> whitequark: https://goo.gl/photos/nwMLtL9pwQ9aS3CLA
<UmbralRaptor> (found in the chemistry department)
<egg> UmbralRaptor: there's a raptor in the reflection, be careful
<egg> whitequark: linewrapped periodic table!
<whitequark> yeah that looks like ua
<whitequark> also it's uh
<whitequark> the wrapped form is common in exUSSR
<egg> whitequark: oh is it?
<egg> whitequark: bofh, UmbralRaptor, and I were rather puzzled at how it works, what's the logic?
<whitequark> there isn't
<egg> ah, that's easy :-p
<whitequark> like, it's just wrapped, you're supposed to use it as if it wasn't wrapped
<whitequark> just with less convenience
<whitequark> I think that's because the wrapped form fits onto the [X] of a book
<whitequark> where [X] is the piece of paper that connects the cover with the first page
<egg> uh, I'm not sure what you refer to; but tbh I suspect that this would be a word I'd know only in french...
<egg> whitequark: cover> [<this bit? |||pages||| ] <other cover
<egg> aw missed the tucostream
<whitequark> yes, that bit
<egg> in french it's called the deuxième de couverture (literally the 2nd of cover, the back cover is called the fourth)
<egg> (essentially counting the pages of the cover on its own)
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<whitequark> aha, "front endpaper"
<egg> ah
<egg> oh so it covers not only the cover, but also the first page
<egg> hmm
<egg> do we have a name for that in french O_o
<egg> ah yes, the page de garde
<egg> though I'd think of that as the first (blank, thicker) page, rather than something that's glued to the cover
<egg> yeah, page de garde is actually flyleaf
<egg> aaah there are two types of gardes
<egg> the white guards and the colour guards
<egg> the former being flyleaves, and the latter endpapers
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<egg> oh hey I rebuilt the thing for debug and reran the release build
* egg slaps egg
<egg> o/ Majiir
<egg> Majiir: what's new
<egg> !wpn Majiir
* Qboid gives Majiir a strontium IEEE 754 glaive
<Majiir> Hallo
<egg> :t egg
<Soozee> t
<Majiir> @undefine
<Soozee> Undefined.
<Majiir> @let egg e = e egg
<Soozee> .L.hs:76:11:
<Soozee> Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type:
<Soozee> t1 ~ (t1 -> t) -> t
<Majiir> awwwwwwwwww
<Majiir> @let egg e = egg egg
<Soozee> .L.hs:76:13:
<Soozee> Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: t ~ t -> t1
<Soozee> Relevant bindings include
<Majiir> @let egg e = e e
<Soozee> .L.hs:76:11:
<Soozee> Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: t1 ~ t1 -> t
<Soozee> Relevant bindings include
<Majiir> I can't win
<Majiir> I saw a neat thing about applicative sorting
<Majiir> and another neat thing about zippers as comonads, but the comonad part seemed unnecessary
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<egg> Majiir: have you looked into integration again?
<Majiir> I have not
<egg> Majiir: the sea of paper has gotten deeper
<egg> Majiir: I was wondering about trying to have a principia/kopernicus config for TRAPPIST-1, might be fun to play there
<egg> but the only thing you can find is mean elements for that system
<egg> so if I want to feed it to principia I need a proper initial state, which I need to fit to the Spitzer observation data
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<egg> basically I need to replicate the TTV results of that Nature paper
<egg> that will have to involve writing a minimzer because we don't have one
<egg> won't do that just yet, but certainly something I want to look into
<egg> !acr -add:TTV Transit Timing Variation
<Qboid> egg: I added the explanation for this acronym.
* UmbralRaptor listens to another group talk about how only one person has the [spectrum fitting] code, and how they'll send out the latest version later this week.
* UmbralRaptor screams internally.
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<egg> UmbralRaptor: ... should I add spectrum fitting code to principia
<egg> it doesn't seem too far off the scope creep
<UmbralRaptor> egg, whitequark: I've only heard it called inside [front] cover
<egg> UmbralRaptor: ah but that doesn't cover the first page too does it
<UmbralRaptor> egg: version Maxwell
<egg> UmbralRaptor: I don't think Maxwell counts?
<egg> we do mathematicians, not physicists
<egg> UmbralRaptor: version Fourier should be a few years off
<UmbralRaptor> egg: well, sort of. If you don't have to turn a page, it counts.
<egg> huh
<egg> though those may be rather technical bookbinding terms tbh
<egg> much like I didn't know about the white and colour guards
<egg> (those sounds like weird elite regiments somehow)
<egg|laptop|egg> ferram4: oooh the nyancat is back
<UmbralRaptor> color guard most definitely sounds military.
<egg|laptop|egg> yeah, and if you have the two then they're probably different regiments with undecipherable traditions
<egg|laptop|egg> UmbralRaptor: given the colour, maybe the white guard is the one that surrenders and does not die >_>
<egg> so Vessel has a function GetVessel() that returns this
<egg> but this actually makes sense
<egg> it's from ITargetable, Celestial returns null, and docking ports return their vessel
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<UmbralRaptor> well, color guard being the people who guard/change/carry the flag(s)
<UmbralRaptor> returns "this"?
<egg> UmbralRaptor: this, the argument that's before the full stop in languages that do OO with classes that contain members
<egg> (C++, C#, java, ...)
<egg> UmbralRaptor: the call syntax is e.g. vessel.GetVessel(), and in GetVessel, which is in Vessel, the argument of type Vessel is called this
<egg> this sentence may have too many vessels
<UmbralRaptor> for vessel in vessel:
<UmbralRaptor> \t vessel(vessel, vessel, vessel)
<egg> UmbralRaptor: yeah, colour guard in french doesn't have this aspect quite as much, since the bookbinding thing is the garde de couleur (the guard of colour if you will), and the flag-guarding people are the garde au drapeau (guard to the flag); les couleurs means the colours in the flag sense, but it's not used for the guard, and note that it's plural where the endpaper is singular
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<soundnfury> UmbralRaptor: for buffalo in buffalo...
* UmbralRaptor buffaloes soundnfury
<soundnfury> !wpn
* Qboid gives soundnfury an aluminium chromatograph
<UmbralRaptor> !wpn
* Qboid gives UmbralRaptor an unit ␆
<soundnfury> aha! avast ye, or I'll... measure your colour somehow.
<UmbralRaptor> "an unit"
<soundnfury> silly qboid
<egg|laptop|egg> [anjunit]
<egg|laptop|egg> UmbralRaptor: caaaat https://mastodon.social/@scanlime/1396949
<egg|laptop|egg> UmbralRaptor: I was talking about the gravitational potential of cats and spherical harmonics the other day...
* UmbralRaptor should register a nick on the synapsid website.
<egg|laptop|egg> UmbralRaptor: I'm not sure what it's for aside from looking at tucopics, but that seems like a good enough reason
<UmbralRaptor> egg|laptop|egg: is that how you pet a hamiltonian?
<egg|laptop|egg> UmbralRaptor: tbh I don't really know what twitter is for either
<egg|laptop|egg> or social networks in general
<egg|laptop|egg> or social things in general >_>
<egg|laptop|egg> !wpn UmbralRaptor
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<egg|laptop|egg> sharp Iskierka
<UmbralRaptor> stabbity!
<egg> \o/
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<UmbralRaptor> !wpn egg
* Qboid gives egg a bit-addressable trihexaflexagon with a lattice attachment
<egg> !choose zzz|keep stabbing principia
<Qboid> egg: Your options are: zzz, keep stabbing principia. My choice: zzz
<egg> ;choose zzz|keep stabbing principia
<kmath> egg: zzz
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<egg|zzz|egg> goodnight Iskierka UmbralRaptor Majiir whitequark et al.
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<UmbralRaptor> 'nigjt
* UmbralRaptor X_X
<UmbralRaptor> Why are my errors so small? >_< https://goo.gl/photos/JUfVyhz1mPgDpRnu6