07:04 <queqiao-> ⟨p​hiltrum⟩ hi can anybody plzz help me. i play principia with stock ksp and when ever i am burning/executing the manoeuver after sometimes the yellow bar on the side of the nav ball and the blue SAS option dissappears can anybody plz help me fix this.

07:04 <queqiao-> ⟨p​hiltrum⟩ hi can anybody plzz help me. i play principia with stock ksp and when ever i am burning/executing the manoeuver after sometimes the yellow bar on the side of the nav ball and the blue SAS option on the nav ball dissappears can anybody plz help me fix this. (edited)

11:09 <queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ The bar is not needed, you need to follow the flight plan for executing maneuvers @philtrum

11:09 <queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ Start the burn on 0.0 seconds on the planners countdown

11:10 <queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ the bar isn't needed but having the navball indicator disappear on burn 'completion' makes it really hard to do small correction burns

11:13 <queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ I agree, but I'm assuming he starts his burns halfway trough the rated burn time like in stock, that is different with principia

11:13 <queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ In that case the burn will not be complete but principia will assume that it is

11:20 <queqiao-> ⟨p​hiltrum⟩ then what about the blue manuever marker on the navball?

11:22 <queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ you need to burn using the time that principia gives you (don't split the burn either side of the start time like in stock, but it does remove the navball info at the end of the burn

11:22 <queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ if you have any corrections to do then you'll just have to plan a separate burn

11:22 <queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ you need to burn using the time that principia gives you (don't split the burn either side of the start time like in stock), but it does remove the navball info at the end of the burn (edited)

11:23 <queqiao-> ⟨p​hiltrum⟩ so u mean if it dissappears during a correction burn i would have to plan a another manuver

11:24 <queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ it disappears at the end of the burn you planned. if you burned throughout the planned burn then you should have completed it when it disappears

11:24 <queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ you may have a small correction to do because of inefficiencies in manual control but you'll have to deal with that separately through a small correction burn

11:25 <queqiao-> ⟨p​hiltrum⟩ k thnx

11:25 <queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ leaving the navball indicator up would be really helpful though and it's a known 'problem'

11:26 <queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ hast thou considered: opening an issue

11:26 <queqiao-> ⟨p​hiltrum⟩ i am a newbie so can u also tell me where does principia gives the time?

11:26 <queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ I'd be surprised if someone hasn't already the amount of times it's been mentioned. I've not played KSP in over a year

11:27 <queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ in the maneuver planning window

11:27 <queqiao-> ⟨p​hiltrum⟩ k

11:28 <queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ And if it disappeared, the maneuver is still in the planner, you can increase t-initial and it will show again

11:28 <queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ @Zeusbeer can you open an issue? I know the issue exists but not the specifics of how/when the navball indicator disappears

11:28 <queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ oh there is an issue, you are right

11:28 <queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/issues/2324

11:28 <queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ Not right now, maybe in 5 hours

11:28 <queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ it's ok ^

11:28 <queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ by none other than @Sir Mortimer

11:29 <queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ Scari ping

12:15 <queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ Too busy with the cats?

12:16 <queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ and the rails

12:16 <queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ if there is a catbus, why not a cattrain

12:30 <queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ work mainly but yeah cats too

12:45 <_whitenotifier> [Principia] adouge starred Principia - https://git.io/JnHmy

13:12 <_whitenotifier> [Principia] PizzaRules668 starred Principia - https://git.io/JnHZW

14:42 <queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ *Stood outside vet*.

14:53 <raptop> egg: given that catbuses can fly (Miyazaki 1988), the value of converting them to rail operations seems quite limited

14:56 <queqiao-> ⟨l​pg⟩ conterargument: trains can go to space (Matsumoto 1977)

14:56 <queqiao-> ⟨l​pg⟩ counterargument: trains can go to space (Matsumoto 1977) (edited)

14:58 <raptop> my serious argument would be that most places can not be affordably connected with trains, what construction can be done takes far longer than you think, and they offer shockingly little frequency advantage of buses

14:58 <raptop> In particular, it may be possible to get through the 2 bus/hour barrier and match fequency levels

14:59 <raptop> (Which would I suppose explain why mixed bus/train systems often have bus ridership in the same order of magnitude at worst and sometimes higher)

14:59 <queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ Trains have a speed advantage though.

15:00 <queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ In real countries it is faster.

15:00 <raptop> More seriously, the speeds are rather closer, I want to say that the DC metro is significantly slower than its design specs

15:00 <raptop> Butcher: Okay, counterarguments: UK and CH

15:15 <queqiao-> ⟨S​ir Mortimer⟩ Trains don’t do too well in the alps.

15:16 <queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ Tunnel that bad boy through.

15:18 <queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ I've consulted an expert and apparently catbus can go to space if it wanted to and doesn't need tracks to go as fast as a train. I've also had an inquiry from the same expert about why I'm being mean to catbus

15:18 <queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ I've consulted an expert and apparently catbus can go to space if it wanted to and doesn't need tracks to go as fast as a train. I've also had an enquiry from the same expert about why I'm being mean to catbus (edited)

15:19 <raptop> Out of curiosity, did the catbus expert answer in meows?

15:20 <queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ no although she often says she wishes she was a cat because then she could just lie around and eat instead of going to work and paying bills

15:22 <queqiao-> ⟨S​ir Mortimer⟩ One of the nearest tunnels here is 14km long. Imagine having an accident at 7km...

15:22 <queqiao-> ⟨S​ir Mortimer⟩ Better bring good shoes.

18:51 <queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ Principia at 60?

18:51 <queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ https://www.nvidia.com/content/dam/en-zz/Solutions/Data-Center/dgx-station/nvidia-dgx-station-a100-datasheet.pdf

18:56 <queqiao-> ⟨A​shnoom⟩ What I usually do seconds before the burn completes switching MJ SmartASS to kill rotation. For the whole burn I use MJ SmartASS to node

20:58 <queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ The load times would still be sad