01:04 <queqiao-> ⟨F​alcon⟩ Question i guess, might be a fairly simple answer, but for planning manuevers in LEO more than just a few days out it seems that it really lags/locks up the game or what have you. in deep space it isnt as much an issue. How best may i go about like... planning a mission from LEO that requires construction over the course of a a few weeks, that accounts for the orbital precession over time so tha

01:08 <queqiao-> ⟨(​ᴇxᴘᴇʀɪᴍᴇɴᴛᴀʟshells)⟩ launch into a RAAN such that, after x number of weeks, your orbit has precessed to exactly the right one

01:29 <queqiao-> ⟨l​pg⟩ do long term departure planning with MJ, not principia's flight planner

01:31 <queqiao-> ⟨F​alcon⟩ I ran it through KSPTOT since i was doing flyby's with this mission, and when i did my insertion to orbit it had the RAAN/LAN right where i needed it, of course 25 days later its out of position now

01:32 <queqiao-> ⟨F​alcon⟩ so like, do a simulation into the orbit so to speak, and then run the mechjeb planner to see?

01:32 <queqiao-> ⟨F​alcon⟩ and put it X many days out?

13:27 <narukaze> Ello

13:43 <queqiao-> ⟨n​arukaze⟩ Hey, so does anyone have any advice for getting into a parking orbit in Principia? In stock I use a maneuver node to make it easier, but trying to wrestle with Principia's flight planning to get a stable orbit going just doesn't sound like it'd work out.

13:56 <queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ Around Earth or Kerbin?

14:03 <queqiao-> ⟨l​eudaimon⟩ what exactly do you mean by parking orbit?

14:19 <queqiao-> ⟨n​arukaze⟩ Kerbin. I guess a better term would be LKO?

14:38 <queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ Generally getting into orbit

14:39 <queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ The trick is to eyeball the apoapsis and periapsis while doing your circulation burn in the orbit view

14:39 <queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ Or you can really quickly make a principia maneuver

14:39 <queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ Eyeballing is more manly however

14:50 <queqiao-> ⟨n​arukaze⟩ I do eyeball it, I just usually screw it up

14:50 <queqiao-> ⟨n​arukaze⟩ I do eyeball it, I just usually screw it up when I do (edited)

14:50 <queqiao-> ⟨n​arukaze⟩ Usually takes two or three tries'

15:02 <queqiao-> ⟨s​cimas⟩ Basically every single low kerbin orbit is stable, you don't need anything special for that. Only high altitude orbits or highly eccentric orbits around Kerbin are unstable.

15:11 <queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ I use Kerbal Engineer and have HUDs showing Ap, Pe and time to both. During ascent use pitch to avoid going above your target Ap. If Ap rises too much pitch down, if it needs to rise pitch up. Try and time it so Pe equals Ap just as time to Ap hits zero

15:12 <queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ Once Ap hits your target during ascent you should be more or less horizontal

15:12 <queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ Then it's just fine running

15:12 <queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ Then it's just fine tuning (edited)

15:12 <queqiao-> ⟨n​arukaze⟩ I use MechJeb, and the Orbit Info app does pretty much the same thing, so I guess I can work with that

15:12 <queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ Yeah either works

15:13 <queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ I fly manual ascents with no coast period in stock because that's how it works in realism overhaul and its the most efficient way

15:14 <queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ I fly manual ascents with no coast period in stock because that's how it works (not coasting) in realism overhaul and its the most efficient way (edited)

15:15 <queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ It works that way regardless if you're using principia or not

15:24 <queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ Oh I thought you ment completely stock

15:24 <queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ well I suppose stock has an 'orbit info' tab now

15:24 <queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ you can also use that one

15:24 <queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ you can also use that one, if you prefer something less bloated (edited)

15:25 <queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ but egg will get really angry saying that the apoapsis and periapsis given by external tools are wrong

15:25 <queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ but I find that for orbiting they will be within 20km, so you can always double check

15:27 <queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ well I suppose stock has an 'orbit info' tab now, you can also use that one, if you prefer something less bloated (edited)

15:27 <queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ but egg will get really angry saying that the apoapsis and periapsis given by external tools are wrong, but I find that for orbiting they will be within 20km, so you can always double check (edited)

15:29 <queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ well I suppose stock has an 'orbit info' tab now, you can also use that one, if you prefer something less bloated with not so useful information for getting into orbit (edited)

15:32 <queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ I am not 100% sure but I think the orbit analyser of principia has an eccentricity value, you can read that on final orbit insertion to see how perfectly round the orbit is.

15:32 <queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ I am not 100% sure but I think the orbit analyser of principia has an eccentricity value, you can read that on final orbit insertion to see how perfectly round the orbit is to decide when to stop blasting the engine / rcs. (edited)

15:33 <queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ I am not 100% sure but I think the orbit analyser of principia has an eccentricity value, you can read that to decide when to stop blasting the engine / rcs. (edited)

15:33 <queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ I am not 100% sure but I think the orbit analyser of principia has an eccentricity value, you can read that to decide when to stop blasting the engine / rcs. You want this to be as close as possible to 0 for a round orbit (edited)

15:34 <queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ I am not 100% sure but I think the orbit analyser of principia has an eccentricity value, you can read that to decide when to stop blasting the engine / rcs. You want this to be as close as possible to 0 for a round orbit, so when it shifts the other way you stop burning. (edited)

15:35 <queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ I am not 100% sure but I think the orbit analyser of principia has an eccentricity value, you can read that to decide when to stop blasting the engine / rcs. You want this to be as close as possible to 0 for a round orbit, so when it shifts the other way you stop burning. This value will be 100% accurate to how your orbit will be (edited)

19:52 <_whitenotifier> [Principia] Growflavor edited issue #3039: Green & Grassmann OK but Gröbner crashes with old RetroRendezvous save - https://git.io/JnpCW

20:07 <queqiao-> ⟨F​alcon⟩ Noodle

20:07 <queqiao-> ⟨F​alcon⟩ https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/480397772248580098/859887840007159838/unknown.png

20:09 <raptop> error: noodles are blue not purple

20:20 <queqiao-> ⟨P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they)⟩ Is this better, Raptop?

20:20 <queqiao-> ⟨P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they)⟩ https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/480397772248580098/859891235635724318/unknown.png

20:21 <raptop> Ah, Eve

20:21 <queqiao-> ⟨A​l2Me6⟩ Error: That's eve

20:22 <queqiao-> ⟨A​l2Me6⟩ Error: That's Eve (edited)

20:22 <queqiao-> ⟨A​l2Me6⟩ LOL, ninja'd

20:22 <queqiao-> ⟨P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they)⟩ Back to the photo editing program

20:23 <queqiao-> ⟨P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they)⟩ If you want to experience the physiological downsides, I think that gaining about 10 to 20 kg of fat would stress your joints and heart about the same

20:23 <queqiao-> ⟨P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they)⟩ (Don't try this)

20:28 <queqiao-> ⟨P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they)⟩ Is this better now?

20:28 <queqiao-> ⟨P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they)⟩ https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/480397772248580098/859893064185020416/unknown.png

20:31 <raptop> yep

20:58 <queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ Idk the thickness of the noodle seems off

20:58 <queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ Well just say that you screenshot a small part of your screen