00:03 <discord-> e​gg. — Yeah; unfortunately there is no better way to see that right now; eventually I want to add the mean solar time of the nodes (and their drift).

00:05 <discord-> K​obymaru. — I think 1 or 2 more digits might help

01:22 <discord-> e​gg. — they possibly might, but honestly it’s just the wrong tool for the job ; it cannot tell you how many of those digits actually matter over the mission duration, and in what way

01:23 <discord-> e​gg. — instead you should get something that tells you that the mean solar time of the ascending node is, e.g., 22:30±00:05, and then you know how close to sun-synchronicity you are for the length of your mission

01:24 <discord-> e​gg. — (but that requires analysing the orbit of the earth, which requires reworking the analyser a bit, probably with a proper quadrature (or just an integrator))

08:22 <discord-> Z​eusbeer. — How high can you get that time?

08:58 <discord-> Z​eusbeer. — Is it possible to create a surface reference frame with a stock conics / on rails system?

08:58 <discord-> Z​eusbeer. — Is it possible to create a surface reference frame with a stock conics / on rails type system? (edited)

08:58 <discord-> Z​eusbeer. — not as a mod, but just if it's generally possible at all

10:11 <discord-> s​ichelgaita. — It may just be my paranoia, but this sounds like a safety nightmare. I wouldn't want a kitchen where "pulling the plug" has no effect, especially if there are kids around.

10:20 <discord-> B​utcher. — Yes.

10:21 <discord-> B​utcher. — Presumably you can just lift it up

10:22 <discord-> Z​eusbeer. — cool

10:45 <discord-> e​gg. — I think the trajectories mod has that

11:27 <discord-> A​shnoom. — This. Depending on your budget you can have a single spot or many and just moving the device is fine enough. Heck of you move it a few CMs is already enough to stop power transfer :-)

11:28 <discord-> A​shnoom. — @sicou2 This. Depending on your budget you can have a single spot or many and just moving the device is fine enough. Heck of you move it a few CMs is already enough to stop power transfer :-) (edited)

11:29 <discord-> A​shnoom. — @sichelgaita This. Depending on your budget you can have a single spot or many and just moving the device is fine enough. Heck of you move it a few CMs is already enough to stop power transfer :-) (edited)

11:29 <discord-> A​shnoom. — @sichelgaita This. Depending on your budget you can have a single spot or many and just moving the device is fine enough. Heck of you move it a few CMs is already enough to stop power transfer :-) (sorry, mentioned wrong user before, sorry for that ping) (edited)

11:30 <discord-> A​shnoom. — I could almost argue it is more safe as you won't need any visible/reachable power outlets

11:37 <discord-> B​utcher. — Can't drop the cord into the sink then plug it in and bang...

13:40 <discord-> K​obymaru. — Is there a way to read out the orbital parameters of celestials?

13:41 <discord-> S​tonesmile. — No, not at the moment AFAIK, but they are very accurate compared to real life, so if you can find that data, then you are good to go

13:44 <discord-> K​obymaru. — where would I find that data?

13:48 <discord-> S​tonesmile. — Actually no idea 😅

13:49 <discord-> s​cimas. — JPL Horizons system. Search for those words in this chat and you will find enough info to get started.

13:52 <discord-> K​obymaru. — thanks

13:52 <discord-> K​obymaru. — I'm still trying to wrap my head around coordinate systems and orbital parameters...

13:53 <discord-> K​obymaru. — Why does MechJeb say my LAN is 44°, and Principia Orbit Analyzer say it's 153° ?

13:56 <discord-> K​obymaru. — All other parameters match up reasonably well

14:51 <discord-> l​eudaimon. — Because youe LAN precesses, for most orbits quite fast, and the orbit analyser gives you the average, which won't be very useful if it's +- 200°along the time you asked it to analyse. If you put it down to around one orbit, both should roughly agree

15:31 <discord-> K​obymaru. — Hmm, that's not it. a) It's a synchronous orbit with a nodal precession of 0.98°/d, so over the default of 7 days it should only precess by at most 7°. Second, I reduced the Analysis duration to one orbit, and it didn't change much.

15:31 <discord-> K​obymaru. — With the current craft, MJ/Stock LAN is 41°, Principia Orbit Analyzer LAN is 131°.

15:32 <discord-> K​obymaru. — Seems like Principia has a different reference direction

15:42 <discord-> l​pg. — reference frames? LAN of orbit around earth vs LAN of orbit around sun?

15:47 <discord-> K​obymaru. — Exactly. Good Question, because I don't know. I'm orbiting earth currently.

15:47 <discord-> K​obymaru. — Reference frame is Earth-Cenetered Inertial, but the LAN doesn'T change if I switch those reference frames

15:51 <discord-> l​pg. — taking a look here, orbit analyzer is pretty explicit ("orbit of X with respect to Earth"), so that's not it

15:53 <discord-> l​pg. — And I see the same, MJ/stock/hyperedit show one LAN, analyzer another. (0 vs 80±10 in my case)

15:58 <discord-> K​obymaru. — exactly

15:58 <discord-> K​obymaru. — https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/480397772248580098/846054472152121374/screenshot511.png

15:59 <discord-> K​obymaru. — It's not a big deal on one hand. On the other hand, it kinda throws a wrench into rationally calculating parking orbits in advance, or using real-world values for interplanetary launches

15:59 <discord-> K​obymaru. — (also it confused the hell out of me, because this stuff is confusing enough without discrepancies)

16:00 <discord-> l​pg. — trying around the sun, I get 0 vs 90±0.000...something. So seems to be 90 degrees off

16:02 <discord-> K​obymaru. — now that you mention it, it's always almost exactly 90° off

16:02 <discord-> l​pg. — you had 41 vs 131 = 90 off, my 80±10 could also be 90

16:03 <discord-> K​obymaru. — in the screenshot it's 93.5, but with +- 3.5 variation

16:04 <discord-> K​obymaru. — and the shorter the testing length is, the closer it gets to 90°

16:04 <discord-> l​pg. — I will not venture a guess as to which is "correct"

19:46 <discord-> e​gg. — yes I believe we have different axis conventions from KSP

19:47 <discord-> e​gg. — (but our axis conventions should be consistent with real-life ones though)

20:47 <discord-> K​obymaru. — Principia-Assisted Precision Landing

20:47 <discord-> K​obymaru. — https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/480397772248580098/846127103861587978/screenshot522.png

23:27 <discord-> K​obymaru. — it's funny how Principia makes the game so much harder, but with some aspects it makes it easier