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<queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ How do I ever time a centaur + solid fuel kickstage burn 🥲
<queqiao-> ⟨S​tonesmile⟩ Solids are hard to plan, if you set it up as two burns, with he later being instant impulse, you might get close
<queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ wow that's a smart idea
<queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ thanks 🙂
<queqiao-> ⟨S​tonesmile⟩ But it will be necessary to make corrections after the burn, so 'close enough' is all you need anyway
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ man, i cant even use principia, my poor poor computer cant handle all of the math even for 5 minutes
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ ive got a radeon rx590, should that be capable of all the math?
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ That is completely irrelevant
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ oh
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ woops
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ Principia is CPU intensive, a bit heavy on RAM usage, but it does nothing with your graphics card
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ interesting ok
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ man, i cant even use principia, my poor poor computer cant handle all of the math even for 5 minutes, after 5 mins ksp crashes (edited)
<queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ how much ram do you have?
<queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ (not Vram)
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ lets see...
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ 16 meg
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ no, gig lol
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ no, gig lol, not meg (edited)
<queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ Mhm, that should be fine then
<queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ And the CPU?
<queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ Also have you tried running the save without principia
<queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ Also have you tried running a save without principia (edited)
<queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ In my experience having 16k textures also makes the game crash in 5 minutes (worthed though 😂)
* egg|anbo|egg should probably test whether the bridge still works with the recent changes
* raptop chirps at the bridge
<queqiao-> ⟨A​l2Me6⟩ Works!
<raptop> Presumably it hasn't yet collapsed under the weight of the cicadas
<queqiao-> ⟨P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they)⟩ What was the recent change?
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ reused it to bridge another channel to matrix
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ and upgraded it in the process
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] eggrobin labeled issue #3019: Use AVX if available - https://git.io/JGRta
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] eggrobin opened issue #3019: Use AVX if available - https://git.io/JGRta
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ @Zeusbeer I've tried running principia without rss/ro/rp1, just a normal unmodded (besides principia) instal and it works fine for approx. 5 minutes then ksp freezes
<queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ oof
<queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ now the final thing I can think off, what is your cpu?
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ well ksp runs now off of my graphics card so my graphics card is a radeon rx 590, it says on the box that it's "vr ready" or something stupid like that so you'd think it would be able to run 3 body systems
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ however im not skilled in the topic so thats just a guess
<queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ again, a graphics card is not what principia requires
<queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ a cpu is not a gpu
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ oh right...let me check
<queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ also, make sure the displayport/hdmi/whatever cable is actually plugged into your graphics card and not your motherboard, if you're sceptical about it's power
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ 2.7 ghz intel core i7
<queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ ??? that should be fine
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ what?!
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ then why it no work!
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ maybe i just had some setting wrong
<queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ send the crash log, maybe someone can look at it
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ Maybe you have broken hardware.
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ k, but i dont feel like getting an unmodded install so its going to be principia along with my like 50 other mods installed
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ oh i highly doubt something is broken
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ i just got this computer
<queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ is it a prebuild?
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ its a...
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ a mac
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ but its a good one... lol
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ i do have a pc tho to run other things, with like the windows version of the radeon rx590 or something something... so i could try copying everything over to my windows pc
<queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ there is a different procedure to installing on mac
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ oh really?
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ oooohohoohohoho this should be FUN
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ im already excited for this to work
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ thx for the info
<queqiao-> ⟨s​ichelgaita⟩ Stop it! There is a different procedure for *building* on Mac, but installing is just the usual "drop in GameData".
<queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ oh
<queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ ok sorry
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ @Zeusbeer why are you pointing people to the instruction to build your own version
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ o
<queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ well, I am not clown, I am the entire circus, you know this egg
<queqiao-> ⟨s​ichelgaita⟩ Incidentally, I have still not managed to figure out whether @Pumpkinaxe is running "unmodded (besides principia)" or "with like 50 other mods installed".
<queqiao-> ⟨s​ichelgaita⟩ Principia freezing is not something I have heard of. Principia and some other mod fighting each other, happens all the time.
<queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ do you have, persistentrotation, installed by accident
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ at the time when i installed principia it was a clean install
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ currently i have like 50 mods installed
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ now that is a rough estimate but still
<queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ well strip it down to just 'squad' and 'principia' in the folder and then see if things worko
<queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ well strip it down to just 'squad' and 'principia' in the folder and then see if things work (edited)
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ I will do that
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ but first let me take 10 minutes to make a backup
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ oh wait, its already in the process of making a backup
<queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ also, have you been testing principia on a running save?
<queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ a lot of progress might be lost
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ nope, it was a clean one
<queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ alright then
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ this was also maybe a year ago now
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ so maybe things have changed
<queqiao-> ⟨s​ichelgaita⟩ I'm lost again: did it froze a year ago (in which case it's maybe late to report) or today?
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ a year ago, sorry for being so cyptic
<queqiao-> ⟨s​ichelgaita⟩ At any rate, there have been significant performance improvements specifically on macOS.
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ true
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ my backup is almost done, then i will delete EVERY MOD
<queqiao-> ⟨s​ichelgaita⟩ Let's say that you are telling us the story a little bit at a time 🙂
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ sorry, ive been tolled that many times
<queqiao-> ⟨s​ichelgaita⟩ From the description of your hardware you should be fine. Maybe not overly speedy, but fine.
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ yeah lol
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ well i appreciate the chat
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ ill come back online and chat more if any issues arrise
<queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ Also, how do you have the box of an rx590 that is inside the mac?
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ LOL! i dont, its an external graphics card
<queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ ah, cool
<queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ sorry I was just curious 🙃
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ the newest macs dont even support external graphics cards anymore, they are litterally state-of-the-art and are the best things out there currently
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ yeah no problem
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ but they're also like... idk... multiple thousands of dollars
<queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ I wonder how ksp would run on an m1 chip, they aren't half bad
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ i mean ksp runs SUPER well on my not so m1 mac, so it be like a super computer lol
<queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ uhm, well, the m1 chip is just a chip, there's better non-m1 cpus out there
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ well... true
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ anyway this is the principia chat so if we still talk lets go somewhere else
<queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ but we're getting off topic and egg is furiously typing so
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ uh, also it’s an ARM, so Principia will not run, given that it is compiled for x86-64
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ On topic is fairly loose here.
* raptop flips sign. Zero [0] days since last wrath of egg invoked
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ speaking of which, how are your cats
<raptop> Hrm, M1 macs only have 8 GiB of RAM, right?
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ One is lying next to me.
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ This one is lazy
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ aw!!!
<raptop> caaaat
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ what is with this bot, its awesome
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ This one is getting fat.
* raptop stares in confusion at the british style plug in the background
<queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ 🖕
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ what!? how it know? is someone controlling the bot?
<queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ nooo
<queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ I wanted a pointy finger
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ In the land of the blind the one eyed cat is king.
<queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ excuse me very much
<queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ I was looking for the 'point out that they are british' meme
<raptop> ow
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ ah yes the  👆🖕 confusion is common
<raptop> Also, apparently I failed *another* Turing test >_<
<queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ 💀 He saw it
<queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ I need some sleep
<queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ brain is not working currently
<queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ I sincerely apologize
<queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ I searched finger and clicked the first one that I saw 😅
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] eggrobin edited issue #3019: Use AVX if available - https://git.io/JGRta
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ Hey, so I tried getting Principia working, but it just doesn't show up.
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ and by show up, i mean ingame
<queqiao-> ⟨A​l2Me6⟩ That's because you put the zip into your GameData instead of only the Principia folder that's contained in the zip
<egg|anbo|egg> I recommend reading the installation instructions.
<egg|anbo|egg> and the FAQ.
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ ok, but theres a whole lotta files inside the folder
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ theres this and then some
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ *sigh*
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ oh dear
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ what did i do wrong
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ im so sorry
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ have you tried downloading the Principia release, as opposed to downloading the entire codebase
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ please at the very least read the README https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia#principia
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ OMG that was the same mistake i did when downloading principia like a year ago
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ im so dumb im so sorry for wasting your time
<queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ Maybe I should make an additional installation guide to my planned series 😅
<queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ Maybe I should add a installation guide to my planned series 😅 (edited)
<queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ Maybe I should add an installation guide to my planned series 😅 (edited)
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ yep, it crashed
<queqiao-> ⟨P​umpkinaxe⟩ but this time my entire computer froze for approximately 20-30 seconds
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] eggrobin opened pull request #3020: No FMA with clang - https://git.io/JGR0w
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