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<queqiao-> ⟨A​kvyamon⟩ remove from principia
<queqiao-> ⟨S​paceFace545⟩ those are two ver different things
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<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ (wrong channel)
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<queqiao-> ⟨S​oviet Onion⟩ I wondered quite a while why you said language to Stonesmile talking about Christians using geocentric model
<queqiao-> ⟨A​l2Me6⟩ (Messages have been removed.)
<kittyblam> Soviet Onion: I am a bit confused trying to read that
<queqiao-> ⟨A​l2Me6⟩ kittyblam: messages have been removed at the right line; I was responding to said removed message.
<queqiao-> ⟨A​l2Me6⟩ kittyblam: messages have been removed at the red line; I was responding to said removed message. (edited)
<queqiao-> ⟨S​oviet Onion⟩ yeah, took me a while 😅
<raptop> obviously it should be s/Christians/Neoplatonists/
<kittyblam> oooo
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] mse63 commented on issue #3197: Game Crashes When Editing a Maneuver - https://git.io/JXSsm
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<_whitenotifier> [Principia] pleroy commented on issue #3197: Game Crashes When Editing a Maneuver - https://git.io/JXSAQ
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<queqiao-> ⟨S​paceBoi⟩ also is it normal for the principia settings to get reset everytime i restart the game?
<queqiao-> ⟨S​paceBoi⟩ also why does it do dat
<queqiao-> ⟨S​paceBoi⟩ if it is something ive done then im sorry its my first time using principia
<queqiao-> ⟨S​paceBoi⟩ if it is a setting ive done wrong then im sorry its my first time using principia (edited)
<queqiao-> ⟨S​tonesmile⟩ The plotting frame is "heliocentric inertial", the sun's surface is fixed. (This is most likely not the frame you want to use)
<queqiao-> ⟨S​paceBoi⟩ hold up
<queqiao-> ⟨S​paceBoi⟩ is it this one?
<queqiao-> ⟨S​tonesmile⟩ Depends on what you want to see
<queqiao-> ⟨S​tonesmile⟩ The plotting frame is "heliocentric inertial", the sun is fixed. (This is most likely not the frame you want to use) (edited)
<queqiao-> ⟨S​paceBoi⟩ so if i use it for earth orbits-landings and stuff like that i should use this?
<queqiao-> ⟨S​paceBoi⟩ if its for transfers i use the gse?
<queqiao-> ⟨S​tonesmile⟩ For transfers to other planets, you probably want to use heliocentric first for rough planning, and then a reference frame of the target body
<queqiao-> ⟨S​paceBoi⟩ a ok
<queqiao-> ⟨S​paceBoi⟩ thanks
<queqiao-> ⟨S​paceBoi⟩ well still got a long way to go before trasnfers so
<queqiao-> ⟨S​paceBoi⟩ thanks for the help
<queqiao-> ⟨K​obymaru⟩ i want coverage for the far side of the moon. Is there an orbit that rotates along with the moon, kind of like a sun-synchronous orbit?
<raptop> So, uh, EML-2?
<raptop> Probably more of a lissajous orbit around it than at the lagrange point proper
<queqiao-> ⟨P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they)⟩ Put a comm sat at L2 and another at L4 or L5; L2 orbits as quickly as the moon, and will remain above the far side (with proper station keeping)
<queqiao-> ⟨l​pg⟩ the boring but far easier answer is just put 2 or 3 satellites in medium moon orbit and call it a day
<queqiao-> ⟨Q​uadrupole⟩ You do not need the L4/5 one if your L2 amplitude is large enough
<raptop> That is indeed a boring answer
<queqiao-> ⟨Q​uadrupole⟩ In fact due to the instability of L2 it is *hard* to get an obscured-L2 orbit.
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<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ an inclined EML2 orbit is perfect for far side comms
<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ at the cost of stationkeeping burns
<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ at the cost of stationkeeping burns (approx once per month) (edited)
<queqiao-> ⟨K​obymaru⟩ thanks for the input
<queqiao-> ⟨K​obymaru⟩ L4/L5 sound like a good idea but require beefy antennas on the moon spacecraft
<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ yeah but they can be occluded from the middle of the far side by terrain
<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ the easy way is just multiple relays in orbit of the moon
<queqiao-> ⟨K​obymaru⟩ and I'd like to avoid stationkeeping if possible
<queqiao-> ⟨K​obymaru⟩ Yeah I think I'll just have multiple
<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ yeah, 2 or 3 polar sats should do it
<queqiao-> ⟨K​obymaru⟩ Maybe some frozen orbits like this:
<queqiao-> ⟨K​obymaru⟩ So that at least it doesn't crash
<queqiao-> ⟨K​obymaru⟩ 27º, 50º, 76º, and 86º are the magic numbers if I interpret wikipedia correctly
<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ yep, so in your case just make them polar and then tweak to 86 if necessary
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