<Izzy>
are the pixelated icons an artistic choice?
<X>
No. I have no idea how to adjust the user interface
<X>
I'm slumming it at 1080p
<Izzy>
I only got a 1080p-or-better display ... last year :D
<Izzy>
but nah I meant like, the craft icon
<Deddly>
Appears to be artistic choice, yeah
<Izzy>
I ... think I like the new UI?
<Izzy>
feels very Delta-V: Rings of Saturn
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<Deddly>
Seems to be pretty good yeah. But I reserve judgement until I can try it
<Izzy>
it looks neat
<Izzy>
artistic flourishes may be to the detriment of actually using it
* Izzy
shrugs
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<X>
Well it would be better if I had orbits and didn't have to make it back to kerbin like...lol visually
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<packbart>
yeah, I hope the pixel fonts get replaced
<packbart>
EC is measured in kU, looked a lot like kV
<Althego>
what is u? unit?
<packbart>
probably
<packbart>
I say, they brought back the pixel fonts and all the famous bugs just for nostalgia
<packbart>
and next they'll push an update to the *real* KSP 2 code
<packbart>
*week
<sandbox>
how many times have they updated it since the release?
<packbart>
none
<packbart>
no times? none times? I guess "no" would have been better
<sandbox>
is there any word about when to expect a new one?
<packbart>
not that, either. they probably just recovered from the launch weekend, had some meetings yesterday and poke around the pile of bugs and feedback today
<Mat2ch>
"But that's what the architect envisioned! Everything has to be in the joyful and life-affirming béton brut!"
<Mat2ch>
Oh, wait, wrong topic. :D
<darsie>
brut=gross, raw, crude
<Mat2ch>
But architects love it!
<Mat2ch>
Are their creations user friendly? No! Are they at least good looking? Nope.
<darsie>
I think when/if I get KSP2, I'll first try it with my GTX 750 Ti and extrapolate from there which now card I'll get.
<darsie>
new*
<raptop>
hrm, so EC is still an arbitrary units. Any idea if it's been rescalled to try to be more realistic?
<raptop>
(Or is the Dawn still powered by witchcraft)
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<raptop>
!mission
<LunchBot>
Several tourists sign up for "the trip of a lifetime." You pass your finals!
<Mat2ch>
!mission
<LunchBot>
After burning the faces off of some potential customers, Gene Kerman demands the launch pad be cleared of all personnel before takeoff. The payload greatly exceeds the hagedorn temperature.
<raptop>
arguably that accidentally flipped the mission/outcome
<raptop>
Or the outcome was mostly unrelated
<Mat2ch>
hm.
<Mat2ch>
!mission
<LunchBot>
You build a linguistics accelerator, which smashes words into each other very fast and measures the resulting phonemes. Your computer explodes with the force of a 10 ton H-bomb.
<Mat2ch>
That's more likely.
<raptop>
nice
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<packbart>
!8ball is there a crew tunnel through the 2.5m reaction wheel?
<LunchBot>
Dunno.
<packbart>
hm. I'll take that as a yes, then
<darsie>
s/H-bomb/F-bomb
<Althego>
h-bomb. the hentai bomb :)
<raptop>
hmm
<Althego>
h is also often used to denote a hospital. but the hosptalé bomb is not as funny
<darsie>
hiroshima
<raptop>
wide island
<darsie>
Little boy massed 4400 kg.
<raptop>
I assume that the joke is that a bomb that goes off with a 10 ton yield has absurdly underperformed
<raptop>
Though it's a pretty big explosion for a computer
<darsie>
10 ton is not a force.
<raptop>
an annoying habit of colloquial english is using "force" for all sorts of stuff better described with energy, momentum, acceleration, power...
<Althego>
natural languages are like that
<darsie>
But it provides ambiguity.
<Althego>
some use different words to some things, others use the same
<sandbox>
force of nature
<Althego>
i usre would hate to speak in mathematical symbols
<darsie>
Force majeure
<SporkWitch>
raptop: uncleftish beholding
<darsie>
Is 10 t an energy?
<darsie>
Does beholding mean see?
<SporkWitch>
tons can be mass or weight (mass*gravity)
<raptop>
darsie: I'd read it as an energy (10 tons of TNT, or 4.184e10 J) in that context
<darsie>
I mean physically, wiht E=mcc.
<darsie>
Many say mass is energy.
<darsie>
or matter?
<darsie>
bbl
<SporkWitch>
it's not so much that matter/mass _is_ energy, but rather there's an equivalence.
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<darsie>
If energy is conserved and we convert energy to matter, then that matter must be energy.
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<X>
Is ice water vapor?
<SporkWitch>
water vapor is liquid water in small enough droplets that it's suspended in the air
<X>
If ice is water vapor, then matter is energy. If ice is the equivalent of water vapor, then mass is the equivalence of energy.
<SporkWitch>
probably also includes gaseous water
<packbart>
"I'm staff on the KSP 2 Modding Society" - the wot now?
<raptop>
it's a discord, right?
<raptop>
I think pinned somewhere in the intercept games one
<packbart>
I don't know. The mod-loader wars have begun
<packbart>
or so the drama plays ou
<packbart>
+t
<raptop>
stabbity
<packbart>
I just thought that name is a bit over the top
<X>
Modding really is a society thing. Very clicky.
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<darsie>
My computer has 92 W at high CPU and low graphics load. That leaves 320-92=228 W for a graphics card. Plenty.
<darsie>
The load is pretty much the same for console and X.
<X>
Oh. That’s a lot tbh.
<darsie>
228 W?
<X>
Yeah. But I think the max wattage of pci express is 75w
<X>
Is the Arc A380 better or worse than the 1650? I presume worse.
<darsie>
Yeah, I don't want the price of a newish card that uses that much.
<darsie>
idk
<darsie>
The RTX 3080 has 350 W TDP.
<packbart>
my 2080 S about 250W, I think
<darsie>
RTX 2060 has 160 W.
<packbart>
hm
<darsie>
packbart: yes
<X>
His problem is he needs a bus powered card right?
<darsie>
no
<darsie>
I soldered a GFX card cord into the PS because the solder holes there were unpopulated.
<X>
Oh. O_o
<packbart>
Kerbal Power Supply
<darsie>
:)
<FLHerne>
darsie: allow something like 15W each for motherboard and SSD
<darsie>
The HP Compaq Elite 8300 convertible microtower seems to be (high end) office PC.
<FLHerne>
oh, I guess if you're measuring at the wall now that's included
<FLHerne>
although probably not worst-case load
<darsie>
FLHerne: I measured power consumption with motherboard ;).
<darsie>
Console/X were pretty equal. I used 'stress-ng --matrix 0' to load CPU and RAM.
<darsie>
Without stress I used 40 W.
<X>
What is your max CPU wattage by spec?
<X>
Also isn’t there some fudge factor you have to account for in aged power supplies?
<darsie>
77 W
<darsie>
That would make sense, but I'm not going to use a 228 W gfx card.
<darsie>
And KSP2 won't fully load the CPU.
<X>
I’m going to guess 150w is ultra safe. 180w is probably fine and 200w is pushing it.
<X>
My 2070s is 215w, so I imagine the 2060s much 170ish.
<darsie>
RTX 2060 has 160 W.
<X>
And the 2060 is probably less than that.
<X>
You should be okay with one of those.
<umaxtu>
my 3070 Fe seems to be around 215-220 according to afterburner
<darsie>
I might get a 1660Ti. Good value, 120 W.
<umaxtu>
how much?
<darsie>
130 EUR, 12,918 G3D Mark, 120 W
<darsie>
used
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<umaxtu>
another option at that price point could be the A380. though only if your system supports resizeable bar.
<SporkWitch>
Arc? We have a 770 or two on the hardware survey, don't think we have any data from lower
<umaxtu>
plus is got a cool name for someone interested in Aerospace
<SporkWitch>
Single arc a770 result, with a Ryzen 9 5900x, 1440p medium preset, didn't say what AA level; Kerbal K-1, 100 fps in vab, 53 pad, 40 in space; Kerbal K-2, 95 FPS in the VAB, 47 on the pad, 37 in space
<SporkWitch>
so the 770 is achieving similar results to the 3080
<Izzy>
ngl I just tabbed in and thought you were talking about buying a plane
<umaxtu>
a retired one might be cheaper than a house
<umaxtu>
a very nice house granted
<Izzy>
hmm, it's not looking good for the 580, from this chart
<darsie>
umaxtu: Intel Arc A380 only has 3,655 G3D.
<SporkWitch>
keep in mind these are hardly lab-grade tests, but the volume of results should give a good estimate of expected performance depending on what you have or are looking at buying
<SporkWitch>
VRAM has proven to be a significant issue on below-spec cards. Not sure where the 380 falls relative to the minimum spec
* raptop
keeps on reading that and assuming an airbus
<darsie>
:)
<SporkWitch>
i'm actually on my first transoceanic flight in the plane I've named the Shrike lol