ferram4 changed the topic of #RO to: Welcome to the discussion channel for the Realism Overhaul (meta)mod for KSP! Realism Overhaul Main Thread https://goo.gl/wH7Dzb ! RO Spreadsheet http://goo.gl/Oem3g0 ! Code of Conduct http://goo.gl/wOSv2M ! | Maximal & soundnfury's RP-1 Race Into Space Signup: http://bit.ly/2DEVm2i [15:01] <soundnfury> Straight Eight Stronk (and) RP-0/1 is basically "Space Agency Spreadsheet Simulator"
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<BadRocketsCo>
o/
<Mike`>
o/
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<BadRocketsCo>
Gosh darn it, it's impossable to launch aircraft because they just bounce on the airfield
<Mike`>
eek, tiny and medium solar panels have the wrong sizes
<Bornholio>
yeah, need to get to 1.4.5 to fix that
<Bornholio>
bouncing
<Mike`>
i wonder why nobody else seems to notice this? :S
<Mike`>
the medium solar panel is 1/4 the size of the "standard" solar panel, yet its description and stats say it is half as big
<Bornholio>
solar cells, developmental?
<Mike`>
same for the tiny
<Mike`>
these are in RO
<Bornholio>
half length = 1/4 area
<Mike`>
yes
<Mike`>
they have 1/4 area but 1/2 stats and description. :)
<Mike`>
what do you guys prefer as a fix, fix the area to match the stats (eg make them larger) or fix the stats/description to match the area?
<Mike`>
hm, maybe an intermediate solution is a good way to go.
<Mike`>
Right now, the medium panel has 1/2 the stats of the standard panel but 1/4 the size, the tiny has 1/5 the stats and 1/25 the size of the standard panel.
<BadRocketsCo>
How the hell am I supposed to do anything with aircraft when they flip like god knows what
<Mike`>
Are you even supposed to? I prefer to build rockets instead. :)
<BadRocketsCo>
Me too but I thought I'd be more realistic this time and do more stuff with airplanes
<Mike`>
Did NASA do anything with planes?
<Bornholio>
fo shur
<BadRocketsCo>
The AF sure did
<Bornholio>
National Aeronautics and Space Administration right there in the name
<Mike`>
true, but names are names :D
<BadRocketsCo>
WHY DOES THIS HAPPEN
<Bornholio>
capslock
<BadRocketsCo>
Are the wheels stuck in the ground or is it just the runway that's bumpy?
<BadRocketsCo>
Bornholio I am angery, mkay?
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<Bornholio>
then grab JPLRepo by the shoulders and shake, he will tell you to play 1.4.5 :p
<BadRocketsCo>
If he gives me RO and RP0 for that version then sure
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<Mike`>
hey schnobs, great you're here, you're exactly the person i need now. :)
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<schnobs>
lolwut?
<schnobs>
and: hello.
<schnobs>
Mike`: wassup?
<Mike`>
schnobs, the world is close to disaster, and you could come to the rescue: our tiny and medium solar panels' sizes/stats are wrong!
<Mike`>
they are too small/generate far too much power for their size - the question now is how to fix them, fix stats (decrease power) or increase their sizes?
<Mike`>
Mike`> Right now, the medium panel has 1/2 the stats of the standard panel but 1/4 the size, the tiny has 1/5 the stats and 1/25 the size of the standard panel.
<Bornholio>
Mike`: first make sure you are not halucinating
<Mike`>
Bornholio, i didn't halucinate with SRB prices, and i don't think i'm halucinating here :)
<schnobs>
Mike`: you've considered the techlevel?
<Mike`>
schnobs, the tiny panel with the biggest efficiency is the lowest tech level
<Bornholio>
also scale factor is sqrt for area and cuberoot for volume
<Mike`>
Bornholio, if you rescale a part with rescaleFactor 0.5, you rescale each dimension by 0.5 and thus get 1/4 the area as you have correctly pointed out. If you then scale the stats by only 1/2 instead of 1/4, then that's...wrong? :)
<Mike`>
That's how if ound out, you need to be blind to not see that the medium panel is not half the size of the standard panel but smaller.
<Mike`>
schnobs, any preferences of a fix? :)
<schnobs>
none whatsoever. I don't even have a RO install at hand right now.
<Mike`>
eeek
<Mike`>
why?
<schnobs>
I've dabbled with panels once, but their basic stats where laid down a long time ago.
<schnobs>
iirc there should be figures in the comments, as to how much power and mass is alright for a given area.
<Mike`>
well, the panels in question were added in june 2017 - i haven't yet checked other panels but hope they're scaled correctly
<Mike`>
but yeah i should check them aswell
<Mike`>
yep
<Mike`>
the thing is, the panels don't have the area they should have according to their description. :)
<schnobs>
I don't know where the figures in the comments came from, but bresumably there's a few man-hours of research behind them. So part stats should be adjusted to match these values, I'd say.
<schnobs>
...Bbbbrrrresumably. Yome typos are nicer than others.
<schnobs>
...
<Mike`>
"these values"? thry match the researched values, but they don't match the model's size. They were rescaled incorrectly.
<Mike`>
they* :)
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<egg|zz|egg>
!seen lamont
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egg|zz|egg: I last saw lamont on [08.09.2018 05:02:25] in #kspmodding saying: "A wild Sarbian appears…"
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<awang>
I think I remember solar panels being a bit weird when I last played RP-1
<awang>
Something like some FASA and Squad-based panels having the same stats, but the Squad-based ones being puny in comparison
<awang>
idk if that's the same issue
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<Mike`>
awang, sounds like it
<Mike`>
should've fixed it :D
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