UmbralRaptor changed the topic of #kspacademia to: https://gist.github.com/pdn4kd/164b9b85435d87afbec0c3a7e69d3e6d | Dogs are cats. Spiders are cat interferometers. | Космизм сегодня! | Document well, for tomorrow you may get mauled by a ネコバス. | <UmbralRaptor> … one of the other grad students just compared me to nomal O_o | <ferram4> I shall beat my problems to death with an engineer.
<soundnfury> Iskierka: …
<soundnfury> … ‽
<soundnfury> !wpn Iskierka
* Qboid gives Iskierka a chocolate durandal
* Iskierka noms
<bofh> !wpn soundnfury
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* soundnfury unscrews it
<soundnfury> !wpn bofh
* Qboid gives bofh a cosmological bottom vertical (with ground plane)
* bofh installs it and uses it to RX B1937+21
<soundnfury> lentil star
<bofh> "In addition to extending the range of periods observed in pulsars by a factor of 20, it also extended the range of magnetic fields observed by a factor of 100,[31] with a magnetic field of 4.2 × 10^8 gauss (42 kT).[5]" FOURTY TWO KILOTESLA WHAT THE HELL
<UmbralRaptor> Iskierka: …which 2 of us?
<UmbralRaptor> bofh: astrophysics is fun.
<Iskierka> mainly bofh and Ellied who are clearly abusing transistors
<UmbralRaptor> hm
<kmath> <oshepherd> https://t.co/M1WJBwE2tH Intel selling a CPU w/ an AMD GPU die on it. OK, fess up, which one of you's been fuckin' around with black magic?
<UmbralRaptor> (via @bofh)
<Iskierka> wait, what?
<bofh> UmbralRaptor: hey it's just one step closer to The Semiconductor Company
<Iskierka> though they aim it at gamers and integrated stuff is no matter what still not good enough for anyone taking that seriously
<UmbralRaptor> bofh: I'm missing context.
<Iskierka> my laptop has 7th gen i5 and the integrated graphics is still not suitable even for stellaris
<Iskierka> (the dedicated is and takes up much more space than the RAM)
<bofh> UmbralRaptor: https://twitter.com/whitequark/status/781734465127256064 running joke from whitequark that somehow keeps getting more and more relevant with every major semiconductor company buyout or merger.
<kmath> <whitequark> in five years I hope to change my career path: land a job at the semiconductor company
<kmath> <oshepherd> The year is 2025. All chips are made by Semiconductors Inc. https://t.co/7GuvnBkfI8
<rqou> nah, i think there will be two
<rqou> the english/western semiconductor company, and the CN semiconductor company
<UmbralRaptor> Sort of like how there are so few aerospace companies?
<bofh> So basically, Semiconductors, Inc and Intel?
<rqou> sure
<rqou> or maybe Foxconn and Intel?
<Iskierka> what takes more capital to break into; aerospace, or silicon?
<rqou> hopefully the "rogue province" gets reabsorbed by 2025 :P :P
<bofh> rqou: I have close friends from there that would have a great deal of objections to that statement :P :P
<rqou> for bonus fun, Foxconn is a taiwanese company
<Iskierka> if this is the rogue province I'm thinking of they make my very nice pens. plz don't kill
<rqou> fine, we'll be twisted and move your pen factory to Kinmen island :P
<rqou> (which is also a fun geographical feature)
<bofh> Iskierka: depends, fabless? aerospace, easily. fabbed? depends on how small of a process you want. up to ~45nm gate widths, probably still aerospace. Once you get to EUV photolithography and accouting for quantum tunnelling effects in the mask layer? it's... a tough call and I'm pretty sure at some point it switches to silicon.
<Fiora> Aerospace is much easier to get into silicon. If you mean fabs.
<bofh> LOL
<Iskierka> ninja'd with a much bigger message
<Fiora> You can design and launch a rocket for $5b. You definitely can't build a 10nm fab for $5b.
<rqou> meanwhile a bunch of us still have a (vaporware) project to build a 10um/5um fab in a garage
<Fiora> also because aerospace can be done with less institutional knowledge, AFAIK
<Iskierka> too bad intel is in canada so are unlikely to have their fab facilities declared a public service and equal-access?
<Fiora> that is, if you sum up the minimum number of people worth of knowledge to build a fab, vs to build a rocket
<Fiora> it's probably much higher.
<bofh> Yeah, that is true. Aerospace knowledge is *largely* public, pretty much everything you need is either on NTRS or in a Soviet journal somewhere.
<bofh> and it's also *comparatively* simple physics-wise.
<Iskierka> that I feel might depend on your definitions, aerospace I feel might take more people, but probably more people who have knowledge overlap, and are just needed for parallel work-hours
<Fiora> You also don't need ~5nm precision on literally every single object in your building.
<bofh> Fiora: agreed 100%
<Fiora> Iskierka: I know a *single person* who has singlehandedly designed her own scramjet and has a fairly well thought out rocket startup plan (which necessarily includes other off the shelf components, etc)
<Fiora> And what she has is *way more thought out* than actual real rocket startups that have gotten real funding in the $100s of millions
<Fiora> and which imploded because their entire concept was doomed from the start as impossible.
<rqou> for fab, you don't have to immediately jump to a 10nm fab; there's probably enough information out there to build a "usable" 500nm fab
<rqou> of course, this won't really make any money
<Fiora> same with rockets! you can start with model rocket kits.
<Fiora> :P
<rqou> true
<bofh> ...I never thought of the comparison being at that level, but... yeah, that's a good point.
<Fiora> aerospace is actually in a weird place atm because again, well, you can get funded on basically nothing
<Fiora> there are real rocket startups getting money for Absolute Garbage
<rqou> i guess i just don't know anything about aerospace
<Fiora> whereas there are definitely no fab startups (as far as I know) getting $100s of millions for stuff that will never work
<Iskierka> I'm thinking for actually managing to end up doing something, not just getting startup cash
<Iskierka> as the people providing that seem really dumb in general
<Fiora> example
<Iskierka> you could probably con them just as hard with fabbing
<Fiora> in this case iirc they literally didn't do the math on the energy storage/delivery necessary
<rqou> who is giving out all this money? the same idiot VCs that fund IoT juicers?
<Iskierka> I had an argument with someone on the KSP forum about escape dynamics. They were also doing maths wrong as well as being rather unrealistic about the effect of a 1% inefficiency in that much heating on the airframe
<Iskierka> they now are sometimes an adviser for the interstellar mod
<Iskierka> (I don't use that mod any more)
<Fiora> rqou: there was a thread the other day on HN apparently where someone posted something along the lines of
<Fiora> need help with a startup idea. we have multiple VCs willing to throw money at us but we don't know what to make. help please?
<bofh> WHAT
<Fiora> I wish this was a joke.
<rqou> wtf
<Fiora> are you really that surprised ??? VCs basically give money to people, not ideas
<Iskierka> which is why I've not made any effort to look for an idea
<Fiora> that's the entire premise of ycombinator, even
<bofh> Fiora: so basically VC culture is the biggest old boys' nepotism club in Cali?
<bofh> (except maybe second to politics and Holloywood?)
<bofh> Hollywood*
<rqou> now why can't someone give me free money? :P
<Fiora> Yes, actually. Possibly worse
<Fiora> Difference is, hollywood and politics are honest about it :P
<Iskierka> I mean the VCs are pretty blatant about it if you just *look*
<rqou> "my startup idea is to just take the money invested and invest it in an index fund while i sit around doing nothing. gib money pl0x"
<Iskierka> I once saw a four-minute ad for that I *think* was a bicycle GPS ... with no screen. It just had LEDs that blinked to point left and right. And for that entire four minutes, NO-ONE ACTUALLY CLARIFIED THIS
<rqou> i bet this would actually be a better business model than some startups
<Fiora> rqou: so there's one more part missing
<Iskierka> there was maybe 30 seconds of shots of a prototype on a bike, and nearly four minutes of talking heads about their *vision* to improve cycling
<Fiora> many startups have horrible ideas or none at all, and yet, they still make VCs money
<Fiora> because of greater fool theory
<Iskierka> and I'm just sitting there "... how does this compete with a little waterproof case on the handlebars plus by phone?"
<Fiora> many early stage VCs bank on the fact that they will be able to pawn off their startup onto a greater fool later.
<Fiora> ex: get a second stage round to boost the value, then acquihire. original VCs make some bank, employees get a job, everyone else get sscrewed
<bofh> So, like, how does this differ from investor fraud, exactly?
<rqou> it's not fraud? :P
<bofh> Well apart from the fact that it's legal.
<Fiora> it's not fraud if you're just trading money between white dudes.
<Iskierka> I mean if you're selling them exactly what you're offering
<Iskierka> and they're just too dumb to know what you're offering
<Iskierka> https://www.hammerhead.io/pages/h1 oh here's the product that I never searched for at the time. They even offer smartphone integration. And just WHY NOT A CASE FOR THE PHONE?
<Iskierka> (autoplaying video is not the dumb ad though)
<UmbralRaptor> I wonder if it would make more sense to just fund a university lab.
<rqou> for silicon fab?
<rqou> yeah, we've got two here :P
<UmbralRaptor> Do materials science, sell patents.
<rqou> we probably do that too
<UmbralRaptor> Hm
<rqou> er, in case this isn't well known, i'm at UCB
<UmbralRaptor> unrelated: AAAAAAAAAA https://twitter.com/ACLUVA/status/927651083865993217
<kmath> <ACLUVA> If you get a call saying your polling place has changed, note that the ONLY reliable source to find where to vote i… https://t.co/jaSWEAYTpd
<UmbralRaptor> rqou: Berkely?
<rqou> yes
<rqou> and yes, we really do have two silicon cleanrooms
<bofh> Not surprised at all.
<rqou> a super-fancy-and-donated-by-silicon-valley research cleanroom and a cheap "only around $1m" teaching cleanroom
<UmbralRaptor> We're hoping to get a low grade cleanroom for optical porpoises here (George Mason) soon.
<bofh> "only"
<bofh> "Magnetars are characterized by their extremely powerful magnetic fields of 0.1 to 100 gigatesla." today in units I was never expecting to use/see: "gigatesla".
<bofh> #justastrophysthings
<UmbralRaptor> Neutron stars have some poorly defined properties because testing out nuclear pasta in the lab is "lolno"
<bofh> "nuclear pasta"
<UmbralRaptor> I can almost hear an egg|zzz|egg sobbing https://twitter.com/galaxy_map/status/927676095071125504
<kmath> <galaxy_map> @cosmos4u As a software developer I wince to see astronomical names containing apostrophes. It shouldn't, but will… https://t.co/M17WCnC6EQ
<bofh> Which is your fav? I'm partial to antispaghetti.
<UmbralRaptor> heh
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<SnoopJeDi> nuclear pasta omg
<SnoopJeDi> speaking of omg, https://omg.jpl.nasa.gov/
<Ellied> We just had a colloquium from a guy who works on studying astrophysics in the lab by making positrons with lasers
<Ellied> this was the guy who complained to me that the lab coordinator here made him TA electronics because she hated him
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<kmath> <dril_grc> σέμνος ὁ σοφὸς κλίνας τὴν κεφαλὴν εἶπεν· "οὐκ ὄντως οὐδὲν διαφέρει ταγαθὰ και τα κακά. συ μῶρε. συ βλακίστατε" https://t.co/DGtNwaWC9w
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<bofh> SnoopJeDi: OMG
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<SnoopJeDi> !acr -add:acr OMG Oceans Melting Greenland
<Qboid> SnoopJeDi: I added the explanation for this acronym.
<bofh> Fuck you mathoverflow
<bofh> decides to scale MathJax by default to 116% so I have to anti-scale it by 85% so it isn't gigantic
<bofh> (I like how I somehow by eye guessed 85%, which is almost the exact inverse of ~86.207% I'd need)
<SnoopJeDi> Hm, seems like that'd be a fairly obvious customizable feature
<bofh> So you can customize scaling, but for some reason "100% scaling/unscaled" is actually 116% scaling.
<bofh> Maybe a default can be set by making an account but meh, effort.
<soundnfury> SnoopJeDi: not the Olympiad of Misguided Geeks (at Worse Than Failure)?
<SnoopJeDi> bofh, Web Design Is Hard, I guess
<SnoopJeDi> soundnfury, I was not previously familiar!
<soundnfury> SnoopJeDi: The Daily WTF has a long and storied past :)
<SnoopJeDi> soundnfury, too many things do! I'm putting a moratorium on interesting history, I need a chance to catch up.
* SnoopJeDi fell down the rabbit hole of reading the phage mailing list from the Morris worm situation last week
<soundnfury> heh
<SnoopJeDi> soundnfury, I miss old Slashdot :(
<Ellied> Iskierka: I would argue (belatedly) that bothering the gate of a MOSFET to stuff charge into it is nothing compared to the other abuses of AI people are already implementing/trying to implement
<bofh> as a general rule, I would recommend to others to not inhale laundry detergent. it's not a good idea.
<SnoopJeDi> bofh, wow the polar brightness gradient in that image!
<SnoopJeDi> err, longitudinal gradient* I guess is a more appropriate term
<bofh> yeah, rofl Uranus's rotational axis
<SnoopJeDi> well I'd probably have made the same mistake with a right-side-up planet too :)
<SnoopJeDi> brain went "ooh, poles are related here, I know a word for that! Polar!"
<bofh> Heh. True, I'de prolly done the same tbh.
<SnoopJeDi> but yea what the heck even
<SnoopJeDi> the first thing I think when I see that is compositional differences but...either way
<SnoopJeDi> (disclaimer: I am extraordinarily ignorant of the planets)
<bofh> tbh same, and I'm actually reading thru some papers now in the hopes of more info
<SnoopJeDi> ...of what WE KNOW about the planets*
<SnoopJeDi> (inasmuch as we're all ignorant and that's cool)
<bofh> yeah, that's an important clarification, *especially* when referring to the ice giants.
<bofh> fuck I am still coughing. what's the opposite of an antitussive? cheapo laundry detergent works *wonderfully* as that.
<SnoopJeDi> a tussive, I guess?
<SnoopJeDi> but egads, that sounds unpleasant
<SnoopJeDi> wait, shit, latitudinal!
<SnoopJeDi> It does appear that the "canonical" explanation is that there's a large-scale redistribution of NH₃
<bofh> /win 20
<FluffyFoxeh> lol a tussive
<bofh> SnoopJeDi: yeah I'm seeing the same, tho the paper I'm reading makes no claims or guesses as to cause
<SnoopJeDi> This appears to be an important paper on the matter: https://deepblue.lib.umich.edu/bitstream/handle/2027.42/27655/0000036.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y
<FluffyFoxeh> bofh why were you sniffing laundry detergent
<bofh> okay it appears the cough-inducing agent is *prolly* Sodium Percarbonate
<bofh> FluffyFoxeh: so a gust of wind blew some everywhere and I breathed some in by accident
<bofh> so it turns out "coughing fit" is a known adverse effect of accidentally inhaling sodium percarbonate, since it releases hydrogen peroxide on contact with water.
<FluffyFoxeh> lol
<SnoopJeDi> O_O
<bofh> it turns out your throat doesn't like hydrogen peroxide, who knew.
<bofh> SnoopJeDi: granulated laundry bleach :P
<FluffyFoxeh> hydrogen peroxide, it's like water but with more oxygen
<bofh> Yeah okay inhaling a tiny amount of oxiclean gives the same reaction and feels qualitatively similar.
<bofh> ...also remind me to never do that again.
<SnoopJeDi> oh okay, the gradient is symmetric
<SnoopJeDi> holy shit, the radio brightness temperature changed by ~10 K in some bands on Uranus between 1982 and 1984
<bofh> I think it went from Uranian winter to Uranian summer in that time interval?
<bofh> like I do know that the Voyager 2 flyby was at a time when the upper cloudbands were extremely inactive.
<SnoopJeDi> hmm, seasons of 21 years, 2 years seems plausible for a change
<SnoopJeDi> I guess being tilted on its gorram side makes for a very interesting Uranian year
<bofh> Yep.
<SnoopJeDi> ping-pong match between the poles
<bofh> Like one of the sides essentially is stuck in winter and the other in summer for extended periods of time.
<SnoopJeDi> I'm rather embarrassed that the novel seasonal variation of a strongly tilted gas giant never occurred to me
<soundnfury> ;choose sleep|wrap around
<kmath> soundnfury: wrap around
<soundnfury> !choose sleep|wrap around
<Qboid> soundnfury: Your options are: sleep, wrap around. My choice: wrap around
<soundnfury> It is decided.
<SnoopJeDi> what, you're not gonna check the third MAGI?
<UmbralRaptor> That one just keeps on saying something about a human instrumentality project.
<SnoopJeDi> UmbralRaptor, Kennicutt of Kennicutt-Schmidt fame is joining our faculty, btw!
<SnoopJeDi> Got to meet him last Friday when one of the astros dragged him to happy hour
<UmbralRaptor> !!
<SnoopJeDi> Very nice guy although he was a bit bored for some of it
<soundnfury> UmbralRaptor: I don't know your command character :(
<soundnfury> (If it's Akkadian, I can't type it)
<soundnfury> oh wait I know
* UmbralRaptor snerks.
<soundnfury> ?choose sleep|wrap around
<SnoopJeDi> LOL
* soundnfury is giggling most indecorously
<UmbralRaptor> soundnfury: I choose around wrap sleep
<SnoopJeDi> sleep around?
<UmbralRaptor> Ellied, Iskierka: http://www.brookeowensfellowship.org/
<bofh> SnoopJeDi: wow that is *amazing*
<bofh> also lol at the rings being red
<SnoopJeDi> s c i f i a e s t h e t i c
<soundnfury> OT: nothing against norn iron, but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Great_Britain is just a _better flag_
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<kmath> <rxysurfchic> i enjoy video games because they let me live out my wildest fantasies, like being assigned a task and then completing that task
<SnoopJeDi> don't forget the meaningless achievements!
<SnoopJeDi> and pay2win
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<egg|cell|egg> !Wpn UmbralRaptor
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<egg|cell|egg> Not ellied?
<awang> egg|cell|egg: That'd be my fault :P
<egg|cell|egg> ?
<egg|cell|egg> !Wpn Fiora
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<egg|cell|egg> !Wpn awang
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<awang> I added that some time ago after misreading "ellied" as "elided"
<egg|cell|egg> Hah
<awang> Hmmm
<awang> Anyone see this from HN? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15633785
<awang> Thought I remembered seeing microcontroller-related stuff on here
<kmath> https://twitter.com/whitequark/status/927745739345731584 <whitequark> this is important, living in a house with *calculates* 0.2 macbooks per square meter
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<egg|phone|egg> UmbralRaptor: fast transit of a population I cat, no imagery
<egg|phone|egg> UmbralRaptor: also saw the most distant pop. II cat eating (no imagery because I didn't want to bother the human feeding it)
<egg|phone|egg> I did get a photo of a far pop I cat though
<egg|phone|egg> 貓
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<egg|work|egg> !wpn hattivat
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<egg|work|egg> !u ?
<Qboid> U+2D4E8 (?)
<egg|work|egg> !u ??
<Qboid> U+2DA21 (?)
<Qboid> U+2E12B (?)
<egg|work|egg> !tell Thomas can you upgrade Qboid to Unicode 10?
<Qboid> egg|work|egg: I'll redirect this as soon as they are around.
<egg|work|egg> it doesn't seem to know about extension F
<egg|work|egg> !u ?
<Qboid> U+2B8B8 CJK IDEOGRAPH EXTENSION E-2B8B8 (?)
<kmath> <FakeUnicode> @NO_BOOT_DEVICE That gets a retweet. Let the curious discover the context, and be consumed by it. [Also cc @MaximeEuziere @subzey]
<egg|work|egg> !u a
<Qboid> U+FF41 FULLWIDTH LATIN SMALL LETTER A (a)
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<kmath> <cosmos4u> And over night three more papers on interstellar 1I/ʻOumuamua: https://t.co/1q1vU3WGJq & https://t.co/glpDfXO7C5 & https://t.co/Ea8XZO1Op0
<egg|work|egg> !wpn UmbralRaptor
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<egg|work|egg> UmbralRaptor: 3 cats!
<egg|work|egg> but only 1 image
<egg|work|egg> s/$/d/
<Qboid> egg|work|egg meant to say: but only 1 imaged
<UmbralRaptor> Cat is not an ANBOcat lookalike.
<egg|work|egg> UmbralRaptor: none of the three were
<egg|work|egg> UmbralRaptor: the first one was grey
<egg|work|egg> and the third one was the tricolour pop. II cat
<UmbralRaptor> Do we have enough data points to attempt a color-magnitude or color-color diagram?
<egg|work|egg> UmbralRaptor: I don't think so
<egg|work|egg> UmbralRaptor: also that cat I imaged was close to the gap between the two populations
<egg|work|egg> (which I think actually exists rather being a statistical artifact, and is a segment of the street where there are garages instead of gardens on one side)
<egg|work|egg> that's a roughly 60 m section
<UmbralRaptor> hm. Feline depletion zone
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<egg|work|egg> !wpn UmbralRaptor
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<egg|work|egg> maybe I shouldn't wander across floors with my phone
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<UmbralRaptor> egg|work|egg: bouncer time?
<UmbralRaptor> egg|work|egg: weird question: Did you ever go over the Hyatt Regency, Tacoma Narrows, Three Mile Island, or Therac-25 in school or work?
<kmath> <BabelStone> @FakeUnicode Depends what you mean by "add". They are already added to https://t.co/lXjj4a0hh0, and UTC cannot remove them unilaterally.
<egg|work|egg> UmbralRaptor: uh
<egg|work|egg> UmbralRaptor: context?
<egg|work|egg> might have heard of tacoma narrows in a physics lecture
<egg|work|egg> the others I either don't know or know via my own wikipediaing?
<egg|work|egg> UTC?
<Qboid> egg|work|egg: [UTC] => Coordinated Universal Time / Temps Universel Coordonné
<egg|work|egg> um
<egg|work|egg> !choose the Unicode Technical Committee is the only one that's an acronym | some people don't know what UTC means in the timescale sense
<Qboid> egg|work|egg: Your options are: the Unicode Technical Committee is the only one that's an acronym, some people don't know what UTC means in the timescale sense. My choice: some people don't know what UTC means in the timescale sense
<egg|work|egg> ;choose the Unicode Technical Committee is the only one that's an acronym | some people don't know what UTC means in the timescale sense
<kmath> egg|work|egg: the Unicode Technical Committee is the only one that's an acronym
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<egg|work|egg> ?choose the Unicode Technical Committee is the only one that's an acronym | some people don't know what UTC means in the timescale sense
* egg|work|egg wonders whether the knife hieroglyph works for UmbralRaptor too
<egg|work|egg> or maybe ?
<Iskierka> that looks like a partial sktech of a schlieren mach-shock diagram
<BPlayer> Hi!
<egg|work|egg> !acr -add:MASM Mongolian Agency for Standardization and Metrology
<Qboid> egg|work|egg: I added the explanation for this acronym.
<egg|work|egg> !acr -add:CESI China Electronic Standardization Institute
<Qboid> egg|work|egg: I added the explanation for this acronym.
<bofh> TIL there's a Mongolian stsndards agency
<egg|work|egg> bofh: well whom would they send at ISO otherwise
<egg|work|egg> (okay Ireland sends Everson of Evertype to WG 2 but still)
<egg|work|egg> !acr -add:Information Processing Society of Japan IPSJ
<Qboid> egg|work|egg: I added the explanation for this acronym.
<egg|work|egg> !acr -add:ITSCJ Information Technology Standards Commission of Japan
<Qboid> egg|work|egg: I added the explanation for this acronym.
<egg|work|egg> !acr -remove:Information
<Qboid> egg|work|egg: I removed the explanation for Information
<egg|work|egg> derp
<egg|work|egg> !acr -add:IPSJ Information Processing Society of Japan
<Qboid> egg|work|egg: I added the explanation for this acronym.
<egg|work|egg> !wpn bofh
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<bofh> !wpn egg|work|egg
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<bofh> where are my manners
<egg|work|egg> !wpn Fiora
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<UmbralRaptor> egg: Indirectly inspired by recent comments by @mcclure111 and @mhoye about considering UIs, safety, etc. in software engineering.
<egg|work|egg> UIs?
<egg|work|egg> UmbralRaptor: my formation is not a software engineer's fwiw
<UmbralRaptor> User Interfaces
<egg|work|egg> well, that's UX's job (and I'm pretty sure they don't get trained about tacoma narrows)
<egg|work|egg> (I guess in i18n we do interact a tad with that, what with number formatting etc.; though mostly is "herd cats so people use a finite number of formats" and "use CLDR please")
<bofh> CLDR?
<Qboid> bofh: [CLDR] => Common Locale Data Repository
<egg|work|egg> UmbralRaptor: also what do you think about the ?choose above
<UmbralRaptor> hrm
<UmbralRaptor> egg|work|egg: both display for me.
<UmbralRaptor> !u ??
<Qboid> U+12108 CUNEIFORM SIGN GIR2 (?)
<Qboid> U+1332A EGYPTIAN HIEROGLYPH T030 (?)
<UmbralRaptor> And I agree w/ Iskierka on what the cuniform looks like.
<egg|work|egg> UmbralRaptor: no but what do you think about the actual choice :-p
<UmbralRaptor> I tend to think of the time version, but can't Qboid do both?
<egg|work|egg> UmbralRaptor: Qboid doesn't support multiple acronyms, we could define a convention for alternatives I guess
<UmbralRaptor> hrm
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<SnoopJeDi> ianmalcolm.jpg
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<egg|work|egg> !wpn UmbralRaptor
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<egg|work|egg> !wpn SnoopJeDi
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<kmath> <A_single_bear> I️ hope you feel okay or will get to feel okay soon. I️ am a bear.
* UmbralRaptor blinks at Fiora's tweets.
<SnoopJeDi> !u I️
<Qboid> U+0049 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER I (I)
<Qboid> U+FE0F VARIATION SELECTOR-16 (◌️)
<SnoopJeDi> ...huh.
<egg|work|egg> UmbralRaptor: the packet loop?
<egg|work|egg> or which one
* UmbralRaptor had been skipping a nearby Trader Joe's because they seemed to advertise themselves as Whole Foods costs instead of Aldi.
<UmbralRaptor> egg|work|egg: the grocery store ones.
<UmbralRaptor> SnoopJeDi: that breaks iOS display algorithms,
<SnoopJeDi> I file TJ and WF in the same mental bin, although I guess that's inaccurate now that the latter is Amazon
* SnoopJeDi hugs HEB
<SnoopJeDi> get you a grocer that makes fresh tortillas
<UmbralRaptor> HEB?
<UmbralRaptor> High Energy Burrito?
<SnoopJeDi> Howard Edward Butt
<SnoopJeDi> HEB is to Texas as Publix is to Florida, if that helps at all
<bofh> Kiiiiiiiiinda.
<bofh> I prefer Hi-Energy Burrito tho.
<UmbralRaptor> !g Publix
<Qboid> UmbralRaptor: http://www.publix.com/ [Welcome to Publix | Publix Super Markets] (1020000 results found, took 0.85s)
<SnoopJeDi> now that my world has been rocked by nuclear pasta, I'm fully ready to accept some sort of cylindrical star cluster that one would call a high-energy burrito
<SnoopJeDi> stellar mixing is just emulsification
<UmbralRaptor> tasty metals
* UmbralRaptor needs to stop by the local (walking distance) Trader Joe's, apparently?
<UmbralRaptor> (also, Ikea is what I'd call a "everywhere" brand that has giant coverage gaps. I want to say that they only got a store within 450 miles of KC in 2012 or 13.)
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<egg|work|egg> !wpn whitequark
* Qboid gives whitequark a platinum bolter with a domain attachment
<SnoopJeDi> UmbralRaptor, they surprised a lot of people with the TaskRabbit acquisition
<SnoopJeDi> (apparently a lot of people were creating tasks for someone to buy, assemble, and deliver Ikea furniture, heh)
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<Thomas> !u ?
<Qboid> U+2D4E8 CJK IDEOGRAPH EXTENSION F-2D4E8 (?)
<Thomas> egg|(.*)|egg: ^
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<egg|afk|egg> Thomas: thanks! :-)
* egg|afk|egg stares at fakeunicode
<SnoopJeDi> that email snafu is amazing
<egg|afk|egg> okay looking at that twitter account is just work (I know nsallembien) :-p
<egg|afk|egg> https://twitter.com/stephentyrone/status/927912864135839746 aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
<kmath> <stephentyrone> TFW you're talking to an integral equations duder and they say "numerical PDEs are basically a solved problem."
<egg|afk|egg> !seen ferram4
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<Qboid> egg|afk|egg: I last saw ferram4 on [05.11.2017 06:10:42] in #RO saying: "Symmetrical ones."
<SnoopJeDi> bahahahahah
<FluffyFoxeh> what the hell is up with this networking assignment. Every time I get stumped and try and look up the answer, I find a paper by the prof describing the solution. But the solution is nothing I could have *ever* figured out
<UmbralRaptor> eek
<SnoopJeDi> Sounds like "on the front" teaching, which is sometimes laudable
<UmbralRaptor> SnoopJeDi: taskrabbit question?
<SnoopJeDi> hm?
<UmbralRaptor> oh, acquisition
<UmbralRaptor> @SnoopJeDi> UmbralRaptor, they surprised a lot of people with the TaskRabbit acquisition
<kmath> <CrimeADay> 7 USC §2149(d) & 9 CFR §3.6(b)(2) make it a federal crime for a cat dealer to house incompatible cats together.
<UmbralRaptor> cats!
<egg> UmbralRaptor: speaking of which, Ꙩ_ꙩ https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Hungry_cat_scavenger_hunt
<FluffyFoxeh> these questions are literally math word problems that use networking terms. like "wireless sensor with a radius" instead of "circle"
<FluffyFoxeh> they really have nothing to do with the course material
<SnoopJeDi> I think "sphere" would be more appropriate? :P
<SnoopJeDi> everybody loves jargon
<FluffyFoxeh> well, it's 2D for simplicity
<FluffyFoxeh> it's asking, like, "if the sensors are directional antennae with angle θ=π/2, show how to orient the antennae so that the network is connected with r = 1"
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<FluffyFoxeh> the question is essentially how do you orient a sector cut out of a circle to cover all the vertices of a square
<SnoopJeDi> I'm just being a git anyway
<FluffyFoxeh> and it's frustrating because none of it involves applying anything from the course material. I don't know the answer, and nothing we're taught in the course would lead me to it. it's a completely irrelevant thing to put on the assignment
<FluffyFoxeh> it's not a bad question, I could accept it as an interesting maths puzzle. but not as an assignment for marks in a computer networking course where we didn't learn about this or any related problem or how to solve it
<FluffyFoxeh> last assignment had us writing a proof for the three utilities problem. which was interesting, but I had to google the answer because I didn't happen to know it and this isn't a course on graph theory.
<kmath> YouTube - LUNAR ORBIT 2
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<bofh> yes that's 3840x2160 @ 60fps LRO video
<kmath> <sean_couch> Do you do high-performance computational astrophysical magnetohydrodynamics? Do you enjoy blowing up stars for fun… https://t.co/OgtXGtd8Vw
<SnoopJeDi> OH MAN
<SnoopJeDi> now see *this* is something I can get behind VR for
<Iskierka> ☐
<SnoopJeDi> what a wonderfully and beautifully weird place
<SnoopJeDi> And it's not even off the front porch!
<SnoopJeDi> WHOA, that channel visible right at the end of the video bofh, what the hell is that?! NEAT.
<bofh> good question actually, I'm not sure at all
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<UmbralRaptor> !choose coffee|food
<Qboid> UmbralRaptor: Your options are: coffee, food. My choice: food
<UmbralRaptor> ;choose coffee|food
<kmath> UmbralRaptor: coffee
* UmbralRaptor ? electrons in B fields.
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<egg|nomz|egg> !wpn UmbralRaptor
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<egg|nomz|egg> !wpn -add:wpn electron
<Qboid> egg|nomz|egg: Weapon already added!
<egg|nomz|egg> !wpn -add:wpn gluon
<Qboid> egg|nomz|egg: Weapon already added!
<UmbralRaptor> !wpn -add:adj pink
<Qboid> UmbralRaptor: Adjective already added!
<UmbralRaptor> !wpn egg|nomz|egg
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<kmath> <TheOnion> "I’m just a humble lightweight, semi-automatic rifle; I never expected this kind of outpouring of affection."… https://t.co/SGwhKq0YiV
<SnoopJeDi> ooph
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<kmath> <markhdornan> Aww damn, I wanted acetonitrile-free acetonitrile. #RealTimeChem https://t.co/SzIeGe2E3B
<kmath> <janmpdx> English lit: The mist is so beautiful! German lit: I wish I could fly! Russian lit: I almost feel bad about throwin… https://t.co/1txLms4OKF
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<egg> stabbity floating-point arithmetic FUD https://github.com/google/benchmark/pull/475#discussion_r149503304
<Qboid> [#475] title: Fix #382 - MinGW often reports negative CPU times. | When stopping a timer, the current time is subtracted... | https://github.com/google/benchmark/issues/475
<egg> bofh: also the cat turns out to be a great thing to link in review comments :-p
<egg> we need more #floatingpointwithatlas
<UmbralRaptor> o_O
<egg> UmbralRaptor: ?
<UmbralRaptor> negative CPU times
<egg> well non-monotonic clocks
<kmath> <bofh453> For twelve years, you have been asking: Who is John Galt? This is John Galt speaking. I am the man who loves his li… https://t.co/3DHaaNWE0L
<UmbralRaptor> DST, timezones, and leap seconds?
<UmbralRaptor> egg: now I want CPU clocks to use JD or TAI.
<bofh> remind me to run the John Galt speech thru Microsoft Sam
<egg> UmbralRaptor: nah, just steady clocks are hard
<egg> UmbralRaptor: that's why C++ provides one that's explicitly steady http://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/chrono/steady_clock
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<Iskierka> I think 280 may have been rolled out to everyone
<Fiora> I'm sad during the 30k tweet bug nobody wrote up the John Galt tweet into a speech
<Fiora> I suppose we got Bee Movie at least
<UmbralRaptor> Still got 140 on web. (everything else I use is 3rd party, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯)
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<egg> !wpn Fiora
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<Iskierka> after a refresh tweetdeck gave me 140 also. Did have to look elsewhere to check
<Iskierka> s/140/280
<Qboid> Iskierka meant to say: after a refresh tweetdeck gave me 280 also. Did have to look elsewhere to check
* Iskierka was prompted as both bofh and a couple people on discord reported getting 280 in a short time
<kmath> <AlexTheHonk> Hello many friends! https://t.co/Pd0DaCfaRS
<Ellied> Iskierka: I still have 140 oh web
<Ellied> on*
<Iskierka> odd
<Iskierka> guessing it can't be long though
<kmath> <bofh453> Oh cool now I can actually tweet hex-encoded Reed-Solomon codewords with my tweets for error resilience! 0xca 0xb8… https://t.co/dfIKb1ra8x
<egg> bofh: why hex-encoded,
<egg> bofh: also, why hex-encoded so sparsely, the ' 0x' are just spam :-p
<egg> !u ⠀
<Qboid> U+2800 BRAILLE PATTERN BLANK (⠀)
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<Ellied> Oh, there it is. Now there's a little wheel to show the characters remaining instead of an actual number, how irritating
<kmath> <FakeUnicode> New ranges? {start:0,end:4351,weight:100},{start:8192,end:8205,weight:100},{start:8208,end:8223,weight:100},{start:8242,end:8247,weight:100}
<kmath> <eevee> in a hilarious twist, the "ff" ligature used to count as one character, but now counts as two
<kmath> <chordbug> @eevee ffi is still two… 33% discount on this trigraph NOW
<Iskierka> are they bytecounting or something?
<kmath> <eevee> essentially it's still 140, but low unicode (where latin, punctuation, etc are) only counts as half a character now https://t.co/sbxU96pOfP
<Iskierka> the CJKV people are gonna be really disappointed if 280 still only gives them 140- yep
<egg> no but that's the point
<kmath> <eevee> stuff that counts as two includes: - cherokee - tagalog - non-ascii punctuation - arrows - non-ascii currency symbo… https://t.co/vJ0ZZpgxtU
<bofh> egg: yeah yeah yeah it's T=16, I can afford to be wasteful :P but yea, agreed.
<kmath> <FakeUnicode> Wait. 1234567890 1234567890 1234567890 1234567890 1234567890 1234567890 1234567890 1234567890 1234567890 1234567890… https://t.co/2y3HRrcPHY
* egg braces for 280 characters of madness
<Iskierka> ... what's she done now
<Iskierka> or they
* Iskierka was still looking at previous tweeter
<Iskierka> ... nothing that qboid identifies in copypaste?
<egg> Iskierka: fakeunicode seems to have noticed their new power
<Iskierka> I was thinking that's more than 280
<Ellied> hunf, I'm gripe about the double-counting of higher-unicode-value symbols
<Iskierka> but I suppose now
<Iskierka> t
<egg> !u ䷁
<Qboid> U+4DC1 HEXAGRAM FOR THE RECEPTIVE EARTH (䷁)
<kmath> <Alex_Parker> 12 longest dinosaur genera: Micropachycephalosaurus, Probrachylophosaurus, Carcharodontosaurus, Chinshakiangosaurus… https://t.co/ex0S9LP1n4
<UmbralRaptor> Whatever @fakeunicode's gender is, I'm certain that it cannot be expressed on the BMP.
<bofh> egg: Yijing divination symbols
<Iskierka> so if it's not everyone yet it's being rolled out extremely quickly, I take it
<egg> bofh: yeah, probably counts double, so not a good encoding for your reed-solomon...
* egg ponders
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<bofh> so like it has a block size of 255, of which 32 chars are codewords, so that leaves 223 chars for the tweet, and up to 57 for the encoded symbols.
<Iskierka> maybe they decided "let's not encourage people to find more 35k tweet bugs by giving them 280"
<Iskierka> unfortunately it may have backfired in now everyone's disassembling 280
<bofh> 58 if we make the trailing newline of the message implicit
<bofh> so we're still 6 short for a naive hex coding if we want to maximize blocksize (well, 7, for a separating space too)
<bofh> but that still lets me tweet up to 216-char tweets w/o issue if I drop the ' 0x' prefix on each codeword symbol
<bofh> not bad.
<UmbralRaptor> Will bots be unable to use 280?
<Ellied> my bot has 280
<UmbralRaptor> Hm. So it might filter to 3rd party API clients?
<Ellied> hmm, could try posting a 280 tweet from the bot's API
<Iskierka> I mean it's ultimately up to twitter to reject, isn't it? should just be able to edit a number in the API so that the API won't question it first
<Iskierka> although while you expect they'd have sorted server-side validation a long while ago I'm now wondering if that validation does the higher-unicode-as-2 or if that's just the webpage limit ...
<Ellied> confirmed, can tweet more than 140 through api