UmbralRaptor changed the topic of #kspacademia to: https://gist.github.com/pdn4kd/164b9b85435d87afbec0c3a7e69d3e6d | Dogs are cats. Spiders are cat interferometers. | Космизм сегодня! | Document well, for tomorrow you may get mauled by a ネコバス. | <UmbralRaptor> … one of the other grad students just compared me to nomal O_o | <ferram4> I shall beat my problems to death with an engineer.
<egg> ... oh right floating hamburger pings me because float
<egg> floating-ham burger
<UmbralRaptor> NaNburger
<SnoopJeDi> LOL
<bofh> ROFL
<soundnfury> ... this channel ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
<SnoopJeDi> ╰(*´︶`*)╯ this channel
<soundnfury> SnoopJeDi: I've spent most of the last week watching _Animaniacs_ (hey, don't judge me) and I can't decide who's zanier, them or you guys :)
<SnoopJeDi> and here I am googling the chemical composition of piss because a tweet made me curious
<SnoopJeDi> I dunno, I'd say even money on that, soundnfury. We certainly both like maps
<soundnfury> Iskierka: HA! nice
<soundnfury> SnoopJeDi: yeah but I don't _think_ Yakko's World is about functional programming
<UmbralRaptor> Surely there's someone named "Warner" in the Haskell community?
<soundnfury> nah, the Warners all program in Dot net.
<UmbralRaptor> hah
<SnoopJeDi> Iskierka, but what if you have to commonly make insertions?!
<SnoopJeDi> soundnfury, ...functional programming as presented by 90s cartoons would be a good blog tho
<soundnfury> oh btw you might like the arrangement-and-multitrack-recording I made this week http://jttlov.no-ip.org/music/anim.ogg
<soundnfury> SnoopJeDi: I now expect you to make this.
<soundnfury> if you need one for Lisp, try the Bingo sketch (no, I 30. 30, 30, 30!)
<SnoopJeDi> soundnfury, you arranged and played that?! It's lovely!
<soundnfury> aww, thanks :)
<SnoopJeDi> You definitely don't want to read me on functional programming.
<soundnfury> why, are you for or agin' it?
<SnoopJeDi> To paraphrase Sachdev at this week's colloquium: "I can't teach you about functional programming. I only have 15 minutes. I can tell you what I know about functional programming in 15 minutes, though."
<SnoopJeDi> (his quote was s/functional programming/black holes/ as he transitioned from SYK to BHs)
<soundnfury> I see.
<bofh> SnoopJeDi: nice, going to reuse that quote :P
<SnoopJeDi> same
* UmbralRaptor needs to use that also.
* soundnfury will not be using it
<soundnfury> because, while there are plenty of topics on which I could tell you what I know in 15 minutes... at the end of those 15 minutes, I'd keep talking and start bullshitting
<soundnfury> (that's the main skill they teach you in Tripos)
<bofh> SnoopJeDi: https://mobile.twitter.com/jgerity/status/929507468409008128 I love how this was exactly my reaction too
<bofh> "WHAT." followed by "huh, that's a super-creative use of the Arecibo radar"
<SnoopJeDi> YEP
<soundnfury> Hunh. I've heard of interplanetary radar, *and* bistatic radar, but it never woulda occurred to me to combine them
<UmbralRaptor> Interplanetary ground penetrating radar *_*
<SnoopJeDi> I don't think I even *knew* about bistatic radar
<Ellied> :0
<SnoopJeDi> A friend of mine has sent me down a "neat retro hackers" rabbithole tonight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQIwS2GzXLI
<kmath> YouTube - Monster 6502 Now Powers a Retrocomputer
* Ellied spent all day reinventing wheels \o/
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<UmbralRaptor> Wait, three distance separation has to be the same for both? o_O
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<UmbralRaptor> *the
<soundnfury> UmbralRaptor: distance separation of what?
<Iskierka> I don't see anything saying they have to be the same?
<soundnfury> UmbralRaptor: sure you're not misinterpreting that diagram?
* Iskierka notes en.m., considers low resolution and points out that they're r1 and r2
<Iskierka> (and would probably just be r if they were equal)
<egg> Iskierka: have you tried petting a concorde since you showed us that diagram
* egg wants to know if it's accurate
<Iskierka> the nearest one I know of is in Duxford
<soundnfury> Iskierka: I'm on desktop (so plenty of resolution) and I thought they were f₁ and f₂. That font doesn't scale well
<soundnfury> Iskierka: ducksford \o/ *quack*
* UmbralRaptor quacks at the diagram.
<soundnfury> at work I nearly named a feature QUACK a couple of years back
<soundnfury> I'd been given this thing to implement, and marketing hadn't named it yet, but I needed to define some enums for a protocol
<soundnfury> (the backronym we eventually came up with was something like Quasi-Universal Access Control to Kernel)
<UmbralRaptor> Quantum Unum Allocation and Cult Keying
<soundnfury> eventually the suits caught up and gave it a new name, but by that time a cow-orker had written the automated test so our test plan (which sometimes gets shown to customers) has a "QuackTest" in it
<soundnfury> Qualia Usually Allow Chinese Knowledge? (one for the philosophers in the room ;)
<UmbralRaptor> Sounds like a good test for an AI.
<soundnfury> what, see if it can come up with backronyms, or see if it can understand my bad jokes?
<soundnfury> or just see if it can quack *quack*
<UmbralRaptor> ?
<soundnfury> ?
<soundnfury> (couldn't find a COVER, that was as close as I could get)
<soundnfury> back before TVTropes, the Victorians had ZoeTropes
<soundnfury> Moments before he got soaked, Bobby had a split second to reflect on what he'd just done.
<SnoopJeDi> Eh, there's always something to keep people occupied, soundnfury. You could say there's an isotropeism underlying civilization.
<bofh> soundnfury: meanwhile, refrigeration techs had ZeoTropes
<soundnfury> bofh: and chemists had AlloTropes
<SnoopJeDi> and Isotropes
<UmbralRaptor> And if you have, any stars, polytropes.
<soundnfury> SnoopJeDi: sure you're not thinking of isotopes?
<SnoopJeDi> soundnfury, that was the joke :P
<SnoopJeDi> admittedly not a very good one
<UmbralRaptor> ;8ball Am I cursed?
<kmath> UmbralRaptor: My sources say no
<soundnfury> UmbralRaptor: try sitting on an altar
<soundnfury> or eat a scroll of remove curse
<soundnfury> (I guess you'd have to be polymorphed into a papyrovore, and there aren't any)
<UmbralRaptor> …am I in a nethack game?
<soundnfury> UmbralRaptor: yup, just don't look at your email address. You're surrounded by monsters in a narrow corridor!
<UmbralRaptor> Hah
<soundnfury> (not my joke, much as I'd love to take the credit for it)
<soundnfury> but I can't take credit, I'm not a shopkeeper
<soundnfury> Iskierka might be, it sounds a bit like Izchak
<UmbralRaptor> Wait, does this mean you can get loans from shopkeepers?
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<soundnfury> UmbralRaptor: no, but if you sell them more than they have zorkmids for, they start buying your stuff with 'credit'
<UmbralRaptor> SnoopJeDi: That's simultaneously a very silly page, and an important way of keeping track of information on the site. o_O
<soundnfury> … but do they list themselves?
<UmbralRaptor> Some probably do?
<Iskierka> list of lists of lists that do not contain themselves
<soundnfury> if you list something obliquely, does it go on List of lists with lists?
<SnoopJeDi> UmbralRaptor, I'm falling deep into the "neat" rabbit hole tonight
<egg> !u ?
<Qboid> U+1F986 DUCK (?)
<egg> !choose sleep|sleep
<Qboid> egg: Your options are: sleep, sleep. My choice: sleep
<egg> ;choose sleep|sleep
<kmath> egg: sleep
egg is now known as egg|zzz|egg
* UmbralRaptor gives egg|zzz|egg a carafe of coffee.
* bofh follows suit
<bofh> 02:52 <@SnoopJeDi> son of a bitch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lists_of_lists
<bofh> <Russell's Paradox Joke Goes Here>
<soundnfury> bofh: hey, so I'm unoriginal. Sue me.
<SnoopJeDi> ᵍᵒᵒᵈ ᶰᶦᵍʰᵗ ᵐʳ⁽ˢ⁾ ᵏᶦᵗᵗᵉʳ
<kmath> <3PSboyd> Cat pix https://t.co/nSKNPbNirI
<UmbralRaptor> egg|cell|egg: of course that exists, o_O
* UmbralRaptor is disappointed that no bots have faved Ellied's bitcoin tweet.
<soundnfury> btw does anyone have advice on dealing with depression?
<UmbralRaptor> Depends on what kind.
<UmbralRaptor> I'd recommend talking with a doctor unless it's something like SAD, though.
<soundnfury> when you say "what kind", what axis have you in mind?
<soundnfury> (and if I see a doctor he'll just prescribe me SSRIs with horrible side effects, that's what happened last time though admittedly a one-month course _did_ more-or-less bring five years of remission)
<whitequark> soundnfury: wanna tricyclics instead?
<soundnfury> hey, don't try to be punny, kid, you'll hurt yourself.
<whitequark> what?
<whitequark> i'm serious. i sell tricyclics in my pharmacy
<soundnfury> puns is my job
<soundnfury> and, reading SSC has led me to believe that doctors will never prescribe an antidepressant that works :/
<soundnfury> hmmm, it's possibly not correct for me to describe it as depression, it may technically be Adjustment Disorder
<soundnfury> psych is hella complicated (one might almost call it… complex ;)
<UmbralRaptor> Belatedly, the axis is external causes vs internal ones. And whitequark probably knows the most about the relevant drugs of anyone in here?
<soundnfury> UmbralRaptor: external causes (hence the "maybe AD" above)
<soundnfury> at least, there is an identifiable external thing that's a plausible cause, that doesn't rule out the existence of something internal too
<soundnfury> ehhh, I should probably |zzz now, it's nearly 5AM
<soundnfury> I need to think of a double entendre so that I can say "Goodnight everybody!" ;)
<SnoopJeDi> soundnfury, I think the SSRI/etc. conversation should happen with someone who is really aware of the intricacies of the pharmocology of it all, because there is a lot of surface area. I've never had a diagnosis but definitely am melancholic, and I get a *lot* of value out of practices along the lines of Cognitive Behavioral Therapy
<SnoopJeDi> Can't recommend Goleman's work enough, particularly "Emotional Intelligence"
<soundnfury> Noted.
<soundnfury> nn
<SnoopJeDi> nn
<UmbralRaptor> nn
<Ellied> Idea: PCB with comments. Various features are marked with letters/numbers/something, and on the back of the board (which is, with the current design, clear of components) there's a list, viewable with a magnifying glass or dissection microscope, which includes various rationales and notes for the specified feature, just like you'd do in code.
<Ellied> In exchange for taking up some real estate on the PCB, you have a literally self-documented piece of hardware that guarantees anyone who reads the language(s) written won't be *totally* clueless if they find the thing lying around with no documentation in sight, as is typical for such things at my uni
<SnoopJeDi> define "language" :P
<Ellied> Spoken language; just English if no one helps me translate, and in the most concise and clear form I can manage
<SnoopJeDi> I was having a piss at things like "what is an array" being not necessarily obvious so that there's always some level of assumption
<SnoopJeDi> but the sentiment is one I totally understand, heh
<Ellied> my intended audience is undergrad physics freshmen, basically. People who likely have a more-technical-than-average background but not a lot of specific knowledge. I'd focus on key things I learned myself during the course of the project.
<SnoopJeDi> Teaching tools, specifically?
<SnoopJeDi> I think stuff like https://www.evilmadscientist.com/2013/555-kit/ and that Monster 6502 board are *really* valuable in that vein
<Ellied> Well, the whole reason this project started is that we want a cheap counter to use it for under/grad labs; while it's definitely grown beyond that, I think that's still the primary intended goal.
<SnoopJeDi> okay, I kiiinda got that impression from your poster
<Ellied> ooh, that's cool
<SnoopJeDi> Ellied, the Monster 6502 blows my freaking mind https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73h4cjTeX44
<kmath> YouTube - The Monster 6502 is a gargantuan version of a famous microchip
<Ellied> yeah I suppose that was sort of missing from my poster. The "why"
<Ellied> oh yes, I recall hearing about that project
<SnoopJeDi> first time for me and *what*
<SnoopJeDi> I was actually just explaining arrays to someone in another channel and ended up on it in googling some links for them (we got talking about registers and the like)
<FluffyFoxeh> [21:44:16] <@soundnfury> UmbralRaptor: yup, just don't look at your email address. You're surrounded by monsters in a narrow corridor!
<FluffyFoxeh> I giggled
<FluffyFoxeh> Haven't heard that one
<SnoopJeDi> There's...someone in the DF community who writes short "stories" on random strings like that hah
<SnoopJeDi> Tarn's brother or something?
<FluffyFoxeh> as for advice on depression, unfortunately there's no universal answer. I've been taking an SSRI since I was ~15 (now 21). It's the one thing I can say certainly did help, but I'm sure there are many other factors that I can't identify or am unaware of. I still slip into bad states from time to time, but overall things have been getting better
<SnoopJeDi> yea it's most certainly not a narrow issue
<UmbralRaptor> egg|zzz|egg: https://twitter.com/textfiles/status/929586789945356289 (via Andi)
<kmath> <textfiles> Found this relic on a mislabeled floppy - a January 1994 ad for my long-gone ISP I ran. (This ran in an editorial c… https://t.co/8Ls0Lbn9DU
<Ellied> I'm still fighting to find a balance with my antideps. I tried going off my SNRI but then remembered the brainfoggy state I was constantly in before I started taking it as it started to come back, so I resumed it. Now I'm trying to see if taking bupropion full-time in addition will work, since it does help a lot, but also makes me shake.
<Ellied> with luck the shakes will be transient and will eventually go away.
<Ellied> without luck...wellll most of my soldering work is reflow now anyway. :|
<SnoopJeDi> I'm waiting to hear a recommendation from a screening process that may involve such a scrip. Somewhat nervously, but it's better to know than to wonder
<Ellied> If you have any say in it, I recommend trying bupropion first, because SSRIs/SNRIs, the latter especially, can have really really bad withdrawal symptoms, and bupropion is really well-behaved in that regard.
<Ellied> In my case, venlafaxine (SNRI) is frustratingly difficult to quit, because even going down gradually feels like having the flu
<Ellied> if I'm gonna try quitting it again, I think it needs to be over a break from school.
<SnoopJeDi> well, I don't know what the verdict will be on ADHD markers, which was my primary motivation to get a (pretty general) screening
<Ellied> ah
<SnoopJeDi> the tests definitely were screening for anxiety/depression as comorbidities though
<SnoopJeDi> so not unthinkable that I'd get the advice "you're just particularly high-strung rn, here" or somesuch
<Ellied> these days I tend not to get anxious easily, but if I *do* get anxious over something, it takes forever for it to go away. Presumably that's the norepinephrine reuptake inhibition you'd expect from taking two norepinephrine reuptake inhibitors?
<Ellied> it hasn't really become a problem yet, so that's good
<SnoopJeDi> I don't really know my neurochemistry very well heh
<SnoopJeDi> uh, the field as well as my personal
<Ellied> yeah, I was just about to recommend talking to whitequark about this because I'm just guessing here and she knows infinitely more than I do about biochem stuff
<SnoopJeDi> same
<SnoopJeDi> by several orders of magnitude rofl
<whitequark> Ellied: yes re: NRI
<whitequark> I'm really not sure why venlafaxine is explicitly indicated for anxious depression
<whitequark> this seems completely insane to me
<whitequark> moreso than just NRIs, you are taking two stimulants simultaneously
<whitequark> Ellied: I am going to say that your psych did not select an optimal regimen for you
<whitequark> like
<whitequark> obviously so
<whitequark> I am much more hesitant to suggest any changes without knowing much more details about your case specifically
<Ellied> he's not a psych, just a GP
<whitequark> ...
<SnoopJeDi> murica
<whitequark> GPs in America are kinda useless
<Ellied> I tried seeing an actual psych but he understood depression even less, somehow
<whitequark> well if you want i can open a case file for you and we'll try something else
<whitequark> i'm already doing this for n=[redacted] people anyway
<Ellied> I'm curious as to what that means specifically?
<whitequark> i mean, if you want me to try and find a better treatment for you, i'll need to collect and write down your history. can't keep it all in my head across weeks or months, especially for this many people
<Ellied> that's alright, I don't want to make you busier than you are already on my account. I'm pretty sure (p<0.10) that my situation is not life-threatening.
<whitequark> SnoopJeDi: (reading the backlog) venlafaxine is particularly heinous in how bad its cancellation syndrome is (technically it's not withdrawal)
<whitequark> more so than most if not all other SNRIs
<Ellied> oh, what's the difference between cancellation and withdrawal?
<FluffyFoxeh> cancellation syndrome? o.o
<whitequark> well, they're the same thing, but the former is for something a specialist prescribed :P
<SnoopJeDi> whitequark, I'm *reasonably* sure that any diagnosis would be either ADHD or anxiety, but I know the comorbidities are quite strong. Trying to do my best to be patient and wait for something specific to read about, heh.
<whitequark> "cancellation syndrome" was literally invented because the word "withdrawal" near institutional psychiatry made it sound junkie associated
<FluffyFoxeh> lol
<whitequark> Ellied: you misunderstood my reply
<whitequark> it doesn't take much of my time, it's rather I won't collect and process your personal data without consent
<Ellied> ah, gotcha. alright, go ahead and open a casefile for me then.
<SnoopJeDi> although whitequark if you know anything specifically about the interaction of THC/CBD with executive function I'd be somewhat interested in knowing what there is to know about that. I've (anecdotally) felt a little more functional under a limited dose.
<SnoopJeDi> AFAICT the research is unsurprisingly rather limited because schedule I drug :|
<whitequark> SnoopJeDi: CBD isn't scheduled
<SnoopJeDi> oh yes, you know what I meant though :P
<SnoopJeDi> my experience isn't with anything separately processed
<whitequark> no, actually, CBD alone is supposed to have anxiolytic properties and is investigated for that reason
<whitequark> which is why I said
<whitequark> well
<whitequark> let's see
<SnoopJeDi> right, I understand that point which is why I included it to begin with
<whitequark> do you happen to have a similar effect with alcohol?
<whitequark> what about sleep deprivation?
<SnoopJeDi> similar yes but with more mental fog. sleep dep at any scale seems to couple absurdly strongly with it (which AIUI drastically effects FPN/DMN balance?)
<whitequark> sleep deprivation in depressed people is strongly associated with greater sense of well-being
<whitequark> the word is still out on the exact mechanism, but given that EtOH, THC, ketamine, even hallucinogens, have a somewhat similar effect, one can take a guess
<whitequark> specifically, all of these conditions make endless rumination less likely, and let you to focus (if somewhat less) on something useful
<FluffyFoxeh> damn you sound like you really know what you're talking about and this is way over my head :p
<SnoopJeDi> whitequark very much does, yes
<whitequark> FluffyFoxeh: that's bad; I would rather have strangers doubt me than trust me on my word
<FluffyFoxeh> Hm, unfortunately I don't think you can avoid people granting more weight to authoritative-sounding sources
<SnoopJeDi> whitequark, AIUI though, CBD *is* now considered schedule I because of https://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/fed_regs/rules/2016/fr1214.htm (although my original point was that the plant itself is illegal so even if the extract itself wasn't...)
<SnoopJeDi> unless you mean hemp extract which I've been told is a whole different thing that people do to make money off people looking for that anxiolytic property
<SnoopJeDi> hm, you know it'd never occurred to me to do my own CBD extraction but...
<whitequark> SnoopJeDi: ugh
<SnoopJeDi> yes, ugh indeed
<SnoopJeDi> double down on a bad decision, evidence be goddamned I guess
<whitequark> FluffyFoxeh: oh right it's called "discontinuation syndrome" in english
<whitequark> not "cancellation syndrome" sorry
<whitequark> #bilingualproblems
<FluffyFoxeh> ooh
<egg|cell|egg> !Wpn whitequark
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<Qboid> 2d 0h 0m 0s left to event #14: JPSS 1/Delta II 7920-10C [at 2017-11-14 09:47:03]. Say '!kountdown 14' for details
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<kmath> <scanlime> https://t.co/SYgwhFTkn4
<kmath> <barrelshifter> i mixed some tea today and i’m really bad at naming things so i just drew a cat on the label https://t.co/OgTlT3jeek
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<APlayer> Hi!
<soundnfury> !wpn APlayer
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<APlayer> !wpn soundnfury
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<soundnfury> ... is it energetic bullets in my face? that would be pretty surprising
<APlayer> No, it is a Kinder Überraschung
<APlayer> (From unconventional materials)
<APlayer> (Those are a thing in the US, aren't they?)
<soundnfury> ich bin aber kein Kind!
<soundnfury> I wouldn't know. They're a thing here in the UK, though ;)
<APlayer> Hence the lead
<APlayer> Ah, that's nice!
<APlayer> (The vast majority of people I ever met on the web were/are American male humans, so I always assume that by default whenever I meet someone new :P)
<soundnfury> heh
<soundnfury> well, one out of three ain't bad
<soundnfury> … namely, that I'm male
<APlayer> Also, while I am talking to a UK person, a curiosity I've wondered about
<APlayer> s/person/male unidentified being/
<Qboid> APlayer meant to say: Also, while I am talking to a UK male unidentified being, a curiosity I've wondered about
<APlayer> How big a deal is the discussion whether the royal family is a good thing or not?
<soundnfury> ehhh, hardly at all
<APlayer> Because it totally is a large part of grade 11 English lessons where I live
<soundnfury> since they have very little actual power, and they're good for business (heck, the government makes a profit on supporting them, thanks to the Crown Estates deal)
<APlayer> Okay, that settles it. Next on to explaining why we are taught this. (Not asking you, making a note to self)
<APlayer> Thanks!
<soundnfury> where are you that they teach you that, then?
<APlayer> Baden-Wuerttemberg, Germany
<APlayer> It's been more than a quarter if a year now, and we are still researching and writing essays and whatnot on the British Royal Family and the British Empire.
<kmath> <m1sp> TIL "megacryometeor" is a word. It's a kind of weird, giant hail stone that appears when you least expect it… https://t.co/cP9rQduAiM
<soundnfury> hmmm. I mean, maybe the concept of monarchy is just sufficiently baffling to nations that have gotten rid of it and elect their heads of state etc.
<soundnfury> after all, our system _is_ pretty weird when you look at it logically
<APlayer> egg: The Wikipedia article on that: " It is known that they do not form from airplane toilet leakage [...]"
<FluffyFoxeh> soundnfury: not human?
<APlayer> Weird naming scheme, though. There is a whole family of "meteo-somethings" which can mean apparently anything from giant hailstones to space rocks in space to space rocks on the ground. But there is only the one kind of "asteroid" with no such things as "asteroites" or "(megacryo-)asteors"
<soundnfury> FluffyFoxeh: I think my taxon is homo aspergius. I mean, we're _clearly_ at least a different subspecies
<FluffyFoxeh> hmmmm
<FluffyFoxeh> I do wonder sometimes, but I think not
<soundnfury> (no-one's sure whether it's a separate species, because the 'viable offspring test' would require a normie to at least date an aspie, which never happens)
<soundnfury> btw in case it's not obvious I'm not actually being serious
<FluffyFoxeh> I'm aware :p
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<soundnfury> good
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<egg|zzz|egg> awang: hmm no the inconsistency in DoublePrecisionTest is still worrying
<egg|zzz|egg> expected -1.11734828522549374e-16 got -7.12526060033719547e-19
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<FluffyFoxeh> bad
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<egg|zzz|egg> bofh: rfc: skipping Chevalley and going directly to Christoffel after 陈景润
<bofh> egg|zzz|egg: <ENDLESS_SCREAMING> can we skip Christoffel instead? :P I have... bad memories.
<bofh> (in all seriousness I don't mind either way)
<egg|zzz|egg> bofh: it's precisely because you have bad memories that we can't skip Christoffel :D
<egg|zzz|egg> Chevalley you might not even have memories of
<egg|zzz|egg> (I mean there's Chevalley-Warning, but then Warning doesn't even have a wikipedia article)
<bofh> Like Chevalley is *vaguely* familiar to me but not sure from where.
<egg|zzz|egg> ok, then Christoffel it will be :-)
<egg|zzz|egg> !tell blowfish RFC: deprecating 1.3.0 for Principia (will keep shipping 1.2.2 builds as long as RO hasn't moved to 1.3.1, and will keep making 1.3.1 builds, but can we assume RO will skip 1.3.0?)
<Qboid> egg|zzz|egg: I'll redirect this as soon as they are around.
<egg|zzz|egg> (also anybody playing principia in here if any ^)
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<APlayer> Ellied: Soldered the circuit. Test report: Couldn't test UART TDX pin switching yet, but tested what happens if I connect +5V and GND and measure the voltage between GND and RPi power output.
<APlayer> It starts at 5V and after a few seconds, as expected, drops - to 4.6 V. :/
<APlayer> Does that give you a clue as to what might be happening or how to track it down?
<kmath> <Helios748> Much happier now https://t.co/W15Rjiv3uc
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<APlayer> Eww it's annoying to wait every time for the capacitor to discharge
<APlayer> Okay, the N-channel MOSFET is behaving as expected, the P-Channel one seems a bit weird
<APlayer> Vgs drops from -5 V to zero after a few seconds, but Vds rises from 0 to 1.something
<APlayer> 0.67 V, actually
<APlayer> After the drop, voltage from drain to GND is 5 V, and the voltage from source to GND is 4.5 or so V
<APlayer> Is it broken?
<APlayer> When everything is turned off, the resistance between the source and drain is 16.something MOhm too
<APlayer> Shouldn't it be zero?
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<soundnfury> APlayer: do you have a circuit diagram I could look at?
<soundnfury> I haven't been following this endeavour right from the start
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<APlayer> soundnfury: ellied.net:8080/rpiswitch.jpg
<FluffyFoxeh> that's a really nicely drawn diagram
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<APlayer> Ellied is an EE TA at a Uni, that should explain it
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<soundnfury> uhhhh, P-channel transistors make my head hurt
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<soundnfury> but I'm gonna assume that "when everything is turned off" the normal state should be for Rds to be high — it's an enhancement mode FET after all
<FluffyFoxeh> aren't they just like NPN except backwards
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<soundnfury> FluffyFoxeh: yeah but apparently I'm bad at gnikniht
<FluffyFoxeh> what :p
<soundnfury> thinking backwards :p
<FluffyFoxeh> oh
<BPlayer> soundnfury: The circuit is supposed to open the 5V gate for the RPi once the 5V input goes high, and that will make the UART pin go high
<BPlayer> Once the UART pin goes low again, the gate should stay open for a while (because capacitor) and then cut off. After it is cut off, after a while the 5V input goes low too
<BPlayer> And once the capacitor "neutralizes" through the resistors and diode, it is ready to be re-used
<soundnfury> ok I'm confused, you say that Vd0 is 5V but Vs0 is 4V5. Which given that the source is strapped directly to the +5V rail...
<soundnfury> is GND connected to the battery's -V rail?
<BPlayer> Yeah
<BPlayer> But there is no battery currently
<BPlayer> I used a 12V power source
<BPlayer> (Tuned to 5 V, that is)
<soundnfury> and GND is the -V line from that?
<BPlayer> Yeah
* soundnfury scratches head
<soundnfury> beats me, sorry.
* BPlayer lights the beacons to call for Ellied's aid
<BPlayer> Anyway, if anyone has an idea, ;tell me
<BPlayer> I'm staying online for now, but can't tell when I have to leave
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<APlayer> Argh, my mobile IRC client disconnects without telling me it did
<APlayer> I usually find out when I send a message and it re-connects, or when there are no messages for a while in a busy channel
<FluffyFoxeh> hm. which client?
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<kmath> <ColinJCarlson> in the face of insomnia i will attempt to assign letter grades to the weird foxes. please stand by and watch this s… https://t.co/3VQYWWrleG
<FluffyFoxeh> APlayer: maybe there's an auto-reconnect option. I'm surprised it doesn't do that already
<APlayer> FluffyFoxeh: "HoloIRC". I don't thing you've encountered that before
<FluffyFoxeh> ah, I have
* APlayer shuts up
<FluffyFoxeh> I *thought* that it tells you in channel buffers that the connection was lost
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<APlayer> Ah
<APlayer> I was wondering if that was you
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<SnoopJeDi> "cubism is alive and well" LOL
<FluffyFoxeh> This is what I saw when I turned off wifi http://www.fastquake.com/images/mobile/Screenshot_20171112-130617.png
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<soundnfury> 20th Century Fox (vulpes filmus) · unpopular lineage · cancels anything remotely good · grade: D-
<SnoopJeDi> unusually fond of litigation, maladaptive?
<soundnfury> sure, why not
<SnoopJeDi> bofh, Ellied you've now reminded me that I'd like to get a USB<->OBDII and a pi zero and set up a lousy carputer, but have not done so.
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<bofh> Ellied: https://twitter.com/diodelass/status/929778457571143680 I think it says something that I found your ludicrous examples just at the edge of believable :P
<kmath> <diodelass> @bofh453 I made all these up (tried to pick ludicrous enough examples to convey that); the worst I actually have in… https://t.co/ytrwpBdKke
<UmbralRaptor> bofh, Ellied: I'm now vaguely worried that an engine will be streaming HD video soon.
<FluffyFoxeh> man I love these cable hacks
<FluffyFoxeh> :p
<FluffyFoxeh> plugging things into other things in the most unorthodox ways
<FluffyFoxeh> 10/10
<soundnfury> ahhh, etherkillers. Those were the days.
<bofh> UmbralRaptor: so like there exist devices that you plug into OBDII & they bridge LTE & CANbus
<bofh> it's called the ZTE Mobley & you can get it from AT&T
<bofh> predictably, this is a *fuckibng terrible* idea.
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<APlayer> Hi!
<soundnfury> ¡ıH
<egg|zzz|egg> why are you using a dotless i rather than a turned i
<soundnfury> egg|zzz|egg: because I can remember the compose key sequence for dotless i :P
<egg|zzz|egg> Ellied: have you made a MHV charger for your laptop yet,
<UmbralRaptor> UMKC's alumni magazine is impressively bad. They have a discussion on the future of education and never mention cost.
<UmbralRaptor> Also, apparently it's supposed to be practical for rent+utilities to be <50% of income.
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<egg|zzz|egg> GÍR AN.BAR
<UmbralRaptor> We need swords… lots of swords.
<soundnfury> try the sdictionary, it's full of them
<UmbralRaptor> ????
<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn UmbralRaptor
* Qboid gives UmbralRaptor a nitrated cell
<soundnfury> !wpn egg|zzz|egg
* Qboid gives egg|zzz|egg a barbeque gradient
<UmbralRaptor> !wpn egg|zzz|egg
* Qboid gives egg|zzz|egg an octopole dipole
<UmbralRaptor> !wpn -add:adj harmonic
<Qboid> UmbralRaptor: Adjective already added!
<soundnfury> uhhh, qboid…
<UmbralRaptor> !wpn -add:adj damped
<Qboid> UmbralRaptor: Adjective added!
<UmbralRaptor> !wpn -add:adj driven
<Qboid> UmbralRaptor: Adjective added!
<UmbralRaptor> !wpn -add:adj simple
<Qboid> UmbralRaptor: Adjective already added!
<soundnfury> !wpn -add:adj five
<Qboid> soundnfury: Adjective added!
<UmbralRaptor> !wpn soundnfury
* Qboid gives soundnfury a noun chlorine ringularity
<soundnfury> ooh, that'll come in handy
<soundnfury> !wpn UmbralRaptor
* Qboid gives UmbralRaptor a Wasserstein matrix
<UmbralRaptor> !wpn -add:adj coupled
<Qboid> UmbralRaptor: Adjective added!
<kmath> <rygorous> @stephentyrone @johnregehr @Gankro @jckarter We had to put pre-SSE2 support back into Bink a year or so ago after w… https://t.co/SbmB8PCIqU
<kmath> <stephentyrone> @johnregehr @Gankro @jckarter Because it’s vitally important to preserve the performance of undefined behavior on old x86.
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<kmath> <rygorous> @stephentyrone @johnregehr @Gankro @jckarter I took out M68k support two years ago, in case you want to know how long our tail is.
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<bofh> UmbralRaptor: "He was a link to the “Here, eat some of this and see if your urine smells funny” era."
<bofh> "He would drop mentions of things that would curl your hair, such as the use of hydrogen sulfide gas as a laboratory reducing agent (“We used to fog the air with the stuff; only later did we realize that it was roughly as toxic as cyanide”)." AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
<bofh> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asparagusic_acid oh huh, yaey dithiolanes I guess?
<UmbralRaptor> o_O
<UmbralRaptor> "My Russian friend assured me that this was by far the safest way to get rid of Na or K and standard protocol at Moscow State."
<soundnfury> ah good, someone in the comments _does_ mention Max Gergel
<UmbralRaptor> "Second Job ( Contract Manufacturer ). Tasting strychnine as part of formal pharmaceutical identification test. Yes, it is very bitter."
<bofh> *tasting*
<bofh> Like I mean strychnine used to be used as a medication once, so...
<Qboid> 1d 12h 0m 0s left to event #14: JPSS 1/Delta II 7920-10C [at 2017-11-14 09:47:03]. Say '!kountdown 14' for details
<soundnfury> bofh: strychnine and brandy https://youtu.be/DQztJBFYIcE?t=206
<kmath> YouTube - Thomas Trueblood and the Ridiculous Marathon: Citation Needed 2x01
<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn bofh
* Qboid gives bofh a lithium snail
<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn UmbralRaptor
* Qboid gives UmbralRaptor an ellied photodiode
<egg|zzz|egg> ... appropriate
<UmbralRaptor> redundant qboid is redundant
<soundnfury> !wpn egg|zzz|egg
* Qboid gives egg|zzz|egg a late 80s planet with a semiconductor attachment
<soundnfury> late 80s planet? is that a star trek episode?
<SnoopJeDi> Battlestar Galycra
<UmbralRaptor> !wpn SnoopJeDi
* Qboid gives SnoopJeDi a chlorinated map
<SnoopJeDi> !wpn UmbralRaptor
* Qboid gives UmbralRaptor a Taylor mass-driver commutator
<Ellied> sports TV subtitles: "It is hard to move the football"
<Ellied> I would contend that these are grown-ass men with more than enough physical capability to move the football without it being a significant issue
<Ellied> however, I would also be open to changing this by replacing the typical football with one made of iridium.
<Ellied> "ANDERSON, RODRIGUEZ AND COOPER ARE HEADED FOR THE END ZONE PRETTY QUICK, FOLKS! THEY'RE AT THE 20! THE 19! THE 18!"
<SnoopJeDi> Sisyphus and the dime defense
<soundnfury> Ellied: you want I should xkcd37 that hyphen for you?
<Ellied> The last field goal in iridium football was scored by the late Adam Rockheaver, shortly before he was discovered to be making illegal simultaneous use of anabolic steroids, nanotechnology, and an electric powered endoskeleton. The ball was never dug up, and to this day is buried an unspecified distance beneath the field.
<SnoopJeDi> Ellied, ...you've read https://www.sbnation.com/a/17776-football right?
<kmath> <mikilanguages> "Machines will soon make human translators obsolete, so why bother to learn a language?" I present to you: https://t.co/w61RnuZIZS
<Ellied> not beyond the first pages. I get the idea that I really should.
<SnoopJeDi> yes
<bofh> yes, you really should. it's phenomenal.
<bofh> (also processed meat & bread really does appeal to one on an aesthetic level IMO)
<egg|zzz|egg> bofh: maybe it's a good idea if the strings you start with are really stupid and untranslateable *grumbles at marketing*
<Ellied> anyone who actually says that about languages and translation clearly hasn't tried to get someone who only speaks Chinese to help them solve a tech problem while they only speak English.
<egg|zzz|egg> or doesn't speak two nontrivially distant languages
<Ellied> My dad [input to google translate]: "we have run out of mobile data and would like to buy more." China Mobile help desk worker: ???????
<soundnfury> Ellied: I will not buy this mobile data plan, *it* is scratched!
<UmbralRaptor> soundnfury: Did you let the cats play with sim cards again?
<bofh> soundnfury: LOL
<soundnfury> UmbralRaptor: that's not a cat, that's Rita. Definitely, definitely Rita.
<UmbralRaptor> The hurricane?
<Ellied> me into google translate: "do you have any ultraviolet LEDs?" Stall owner: *blinks* "..." Me: [approximating as best I can]: Duìbùqǐ
<soundnfury> where's a hurricane? Where?
<Ellied> I always feel like the first thing I need to learn in any language is how to say "I'm so sorry, I'm an American." I tried to do that with Chinese but I've since forgotten it
<UmbralRaptor> ?‼
<kmath> <chordbug> just letting y’all know. there is a “moon viewing ceremony” emoji ?