UmbralRaptor changed the topic of #kspacademia to: https://gist.github.com/pdn4kd/164b9b85435d87afbec0c3a7e69d3e6d | Dogs are cats. Spiders are cat interferometers. | Космизм сегодня! | Document well, for tomorrow you may get mauled by a ネコバス. | <UmbralRaptor> … one of the other grad students just compared me to nomal O_o | <ferram4> I shall beat my problems to death with an engineer.
<kmath> <diodebot> suspicious weird smoke-emitting light-emitting dubious horrible dreadful thermoelectric betavoltaic illegal frustra… https://t.co/vD58rrsKs5
<UmbralRaptor> !
<Iskierka> Ellied, more than 140 lower unicode or higher?
<kmath> <diodebot> ;mission-conducting tripolar diode
<kmath> <Twitterrific> Twitter is upping the character limit to 280 & making it available to third-party apps like ours. Hang in there, we’re on it! ? #iOS #macOS
* UmbralRaptor hopes he isn't getting hypothermia.
<UmbralRaptor> 278 K, rainy, some wind.
* egg pets UmbralRaptor
<UmbralRaptor> Bus is warm, at least.
<kmath> <DanNerdCubed> I'm going to invent Twitter, but with 140 character summaries of tweets.
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<Ellied> diodebot now supplies acronyms for its diodes
<Ellied> egg: if non-obvious, that was a manually-entered test tweet to see if 280 is allowed over the API; shouldn't be any more like that any time soon
<egg|cell|egg> !Wpn Ellied
* Qboid gives Ellied a ㎭ motor
<Ellied> !wpn egg|cell|egg
* Qboid gives egg|cell|egg a demotic multimeter
<egg|cell|egg> Can I have a hieratic multimeter too
<Ellied> No. those are highly illegal.
* UmbralRaptor hides the stash of Coptic multimeters.
<egg|cell|egg> What about the hieroglyphic ones
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<Iskierka> okay bofh what's that nonsense you just retwittered
<kmath> <Probgoblin> So people are having trouble understanding the new Twitter system. Instead of a countdown you now have an orb to f… https://t.co/iLX89Gjucd
<FluffyFoxeh> it's magic
<Iskierka> Ellied, how do you measure true earth ground?
<Ellied> equal number of fundamental charges
<Ellied> that is, potential resulting from an arbitrarily large volume with neutral charge
<Iskierka> Okay, and what part of the device?
<Ellied> presumably the CPU
<Iskierka> so some people who live at true earth will have <1
<Ellied> most phones are not faraday cages so charging yourself would easily be sufficient to have an effect
<Ellied> How the phone measures the potential is left as an exercise to the reader
<Iskierka> abuse of van der graafs?
<Ellied> Van de Graaff or Wimschurst, presumably
<Qboid> 0d 0h 30m 0s left to event #13: MN35-13/Vega VV11 [at 2017-11-08 01:42:30]. Say '!kountdown 13' for details
<bofh> SnoopJeDi: https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/927896873922449410/pu/vid/584x360/JpCvYHYSr_e0dokh.mp4 Hurricane Harvey + lightning, footage from GOES-16 ABI+GLM.
<kmath> <NOAASatellites> Check out this #GOES16 interactive VR 360 degree view of the #lightning associated with #Hurricane #Harvey @… https://t.co/WwOqIMmtBp
<Qboid> 0d 0h 10m 0s left to event #13: MN35-13/Vega VV11 [at 2017-11-08 01:42:30]. Say '!kountdown 13' for details
<bofh> whitequark: on the topic of juice-in-motor oil, try these two spray cans: https://i.imgur.com/Q1UAW.jpg
<Qboid> 0d 0h 2m 30s left to event #13: MN35-13/Vega VV11 [at 2017-11-08 01:42:30]. Say '!kountdown 13' for details
<Qboid> 0d 0h 0m 0s left to event #13: MN35-13/Vega VV11 [at 2017-11-08 01:42:30]. Say '!kountdown 13' for details
<SnoopJeDi> O_O
<UmbralRaptor> Does food cooked on furniture polish taste good?
<kmath> YouTube - The iphone 7's headphone trick works on everything!
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<awang> Holy cow that's a pretty insane pitch down on the Vega
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<Ellied> grrgh, I finally can be arsed to shop for comparators and now Mouser is apparently down?
<SnoopJeDi> so apparently there was a program in the late 40s and early 50s called Operation Wringer focused on interrogating German POWs for (among other things) information about potential strike targets in the USSR o.O
<bofh> Ellied: can't you just use, like, a 741? :P
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<Ellied> bofh: I need something faster
<Ellied> something that doesn't mind working about the same at 40 MHz as it does at 1 Hz would be ideal
<bofh> Ellied: the hell do you need a comparator at that speed for?
<bofh> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Asian_Month am I weird for finding this kind of... really infuriating? I'm not even sure why.
<bofh> like I like the idea, but the branding is pissing me off inexplicably
<FluffyFoxeh> is it the monkey? Lo
<FluffyFoxeh> :p *
<UmbralRaptor> "Asia" because Tel Aviv is exactly like Tokyo.
<UmbralRaptor> And Magadan is basically a colder Mumbai.
<kmath> <aeglethusa> Nice try, Hades. https://t.co/AxmuPRXm83
<kmath> YouTube - Crushing Hi-fi Speakers and SANDSTORM with Hydraulic Press, feat. Darude
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<Ellied> bofh: LFC. I've been using Schmitt-trigger logic gates with ~3-5ns propagation delay, but I suspect their thresholds of not being super consistent
<Ellied> the linearity measurement we did over the summer showed some kinda crazy nonsense up at higher speeds, so I think there's too much dependence on dV/dt
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<kmath> <FakeUnicode> A̲͐̌s̀͡ ́̆ͫ̽i̧̭͚͚͙͈̊ͭͬ͌҉t̢͔͚̰̿̋͆ ̨̥̳̓͋ͪ̾͑̾͠t͒̎ů̢̹̣̟̮̩̃ͣr̟ͭ͐̈̈́n̤̣ͨ̑͛s̱̪̻̒̒̈ ̴̰͍ͫ͌͢ơ̷̠͌ͣůt̸̴̻ͬ̀,͉͚̗͌͢ ̮͇̂c͖̦̺̍̌̈́̆͘… https://t.co/7eHvgnCmpr
<bofh> Ellied: LFC needs >1MHz timing? the hell?
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<kmath> <CGdrawing> ????? Roeselien Raimond https://t.co/yGdizq606g
<UmbralRaptor> !u ⧮⧯⧰⧱⧲⧳
<Qboid> U+29EE ERROR-BARRED WHITE SQUARE (⧮)
<Qboid> U+29EF ERROR-BARRED BLACK SQUARE (⧯)
<Qboid> U+29F0 ERROR-BARRED WHITE DIAMOND (⧰)
<Qboid> U+29F1 ERROR-BARRED BLACK DIAMOND (⧱)
<Qboid> U+29F2 ERROR-BARRED WHITE CIRCLE (⧲)
<Qboid> U+29F3 ERROR-BARRED BLACK CIRCLE (⧳)
* UmbralRaptor keeps on being amazed at all the stuff on the BMP.
<UmbralRaptor> FluffyFoxeh: canids!
<FluffyFoxeh> yes!
<UmbralRaptor> Iskierka: ick, creamer.
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<egg|cell|egg> !Wpn UmbralRaptor
* Qboid gives UmbralRaptor a feline IoT dildo with hard-coded credentials with a ネコバス attachment
<awang> wat
<egg> !wpn awang
* Qboid gives awang an acid-sensing phi trapezohedron
<egg> bofh: how do you force a rounding to binary64 from x87 in gcc's dialect of C++
<egg> *endless screaming*, etc.
<FluffyFoxeh> x87?
<Qboid> 2d 0h 0m 0s left to event #14: JPSS 1/Delta II 7920-10C [at 2017-11-10 09:47:03]. Say '!kountdown 14' for details
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<kmath> <whitequark> OH: "IRC is not for communication, it's for idling. Idle Relay Chat"
<UmbralRaptor> Stab-inducing: the number of people who join, say 1 line, and leave <1 minute later.
<kmath> <CyberQueenMara> @whitequark @marcan42 Back in the 16 bit days, even my cat could read the x86 instruction set. https://t.co/ohDcv7hOrt
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<APlayer> Hi!
<UmbralRaptor> !iH
<Ellied> !iHi!
<APlayer> !olleH
<Ellied> UmbralRaptor: drink every time <JOIN>"hey can you help me with problem?? anyone??"<QUIT>
<UmbralRaptor> Ellied: pretty much
* UmbralRaptor pulls APlayer through the mirror.
* APlayer gets out left-handed
<Ellied> for me asking questions on IRC tends to take the form of "hey, does anyone know how to fix problem?" [20 minutes] "have you tried thing?" [10 minutes] "just did, but no dice." [20 minutes] "hmm, okay, post the output of command" etc
<Ellied> idle relay chat indeed
<APlayer> Ellied: Can relate. Not really "tends to be" because a probably wider range of people are able to answer my questions, but "happens from time to time" is absolutely true.
<Ellied> I'm well into the xkcdian "all my problems are horrifying and the worst" territory by now
<Ellied> or at least actual unsolved problems
<APlayer> Heh. That's working at a University for you ;-)
<APlayer> Ellied: Also, another question, unrelated to my current Raspberry Pi project. Is there something similar to a transistor that could be used not only as a 0-or-1 switch, but with possibilities in between?
<Iskierka> Ellied, https://xkcd.com/1912/
<UmbralRaptor> https://xkcd.com/1722/
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<bofh> 13:52 <@Ellied> I'm well into the xkcdian "all my problems are horrifying and the worst" territory by now
<bofh> 13:56 <@Ellied> or at least actual unsolved problems
<bofh> same
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<egg|work|egg> !wpn Ellied, UmbralRaptor, bofh, Iskierka, et al.
* Qboid gives Ellied, UmbralRaptor, bofh, Iskierka, et al. a Blizzard profuct
<UmbralRaptor> Ꙩ_ꙮ
<bofh> "profuct" is pretty accurate for Blizzard IME.
<kmath> <XaiaX> @mcclure111 @lorenschmidt This is like when BeOS had checkboxes to enable/disable individual CPUs and nothing to st… https://t.co/hH8jOahtAO
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<Ellied> aaaaaaaaa
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<FluffyFoxeh> I view IRC as asynchronous a lot of the time
<FluffyFoxeh> Having friends in wildly different time zones helps with that
<kmath> <cynicalsecurity> X5O!P%@AP[4\PZX54(P^)7CC)7}$EICAR-STANDARD-ANTIVIRUS-TEST-FILE!$H+H*
<SnoopJeDi> I rarely view IRC as anything *but* async
<SnoopJeDi> ...which results in a lot of gentle reminders to newbies in freenode #python that asking-to-ask can actually be bad netiquette
<SnoopJeDi> bofh, the best I can work out is that feature is what is called a "rille" (German for "groove"), and the straight ones are probably sunken crust along a fault. I don't know anything about lunar geology though
<SnoopJeDi> and I couldn't find what specific feature that is, despite the prominent mare nearby
<egg|work|egg> !wpn SnoopJeDi
* Qboid gives SnoopJeDi a private mine
<SnoopJeDi> a mine-mine, if you will
<SnoopJeDi> !wpn egg|work|egg
* Qboid gives egg|work|egg a depressurized signaling bot
<SnoopJeDi> ...so, SAGE?
<egg|work|egg> SAGE?
<SnoopJeDi> !acr -add:acr SAGE Semi-Automatic Ground Environment
<Qboid> SnoopJeDi: I already know an explanation for acr! (Update it with !acr -update:acr SAGE Semi-Automatic Ground Environment)
<SnoopJeDi> oops
<SnoopJeDi> !acr -add:SAGE Semi-Automatic Ground Environment
<Qboid> SnoopJeDi: I added the explanation for this acronym.
<SnoopJeDi> US nuke MAGI basically
<egg|work|egg> acr?
<Qboid> egg|work|egg: [acr] => OMG Oceans Melting Greenland
<egg|work|egg> um
<SnoopJeDi> that is also my mistake
<SnoopJeDi> is the remove command -del?
<egg|work|egg> -remove
<SnoopJeDi> !acr -remove:acr
<Qboid> SnoopJeDi: I removed the explanation for acr
<SnoopJeDi> !acr -add:OMG Oceans Melting Greenland
<Qboid> SnoopJeDi: I added the explanation for this acronym.
<Ellied> acr?
<egg|work|egg> MaDCoWS?
<Qboid> egg|work|egg: [MaDCoWS] => Massive and Distant Clusters of WISE Survey
<Ellied> GNU?
<Qboid> Ellied: [GNU] => GNU is Not UNIX
<Ellied> HURD?
<egg|work|egg> PDE?
<Qboid> egg|work|egg: [PDE] => Partial Differential Equation
* egg|work|egg wonders whether this should say phosphodiesterase
<egg|work|egg> UmbralRaptor: perhaps we should define a convention for acr alternatives
<Ellied> !acr -add:HURD Hird of Unix-Replacing Daemons
<Qboid> Ellied: I added the explanation for this acronym.
<Ellied> !acr -add:HIRD Hurd of Interfaces Representing Depth
<Qboid> Ellied: I added the explanation for this acronym.
<egg|work|egg> ...
<SnoopJeDi> oh, that reminds me. apparently antiphospholipid syndrome is a thing?!
<SnoopJeDi> immune systems are terrifying
<UmbralRaptor> AAAAAAAAAA
<SnoopJeDi> a friend's sister had a visit to the hospital for this, and the tack the doctors appear to be taking is "lets...replace all of your plasma?"
<SnoopJeDi> the protein equivalent of turning it off and on again
<Ellied> jesus
<SilverFox> nice
<APlayer> Hi!
<APlayer> SnoopJeDi: A reboot often fixes things. Just need to insert the proper boot drive ;-)
<SilverFox> ew
<UmbralRaptor> SnoopJeDi: almost as scary as some Leukemia treatments.
<UmbralRaptor> (Let's kill the blood forming organs, then replace them!)
<SilverFox> the chemo?
<FluffyFoxeh> SnoopJeDi: Asking to ask is bad netiquette. it's *always* a waste of everyone's time
<FluffyFoxeh> it's one round of an async conversation spent on a useless exchange :p
<FluffyFoxeh> "can i-"
<FluffyFoxeh> "yes
<SnoopJeDi> UmbralRaptor, yea, chemo in general is fucked. My dad was on FOLFOX for *three* treatments last year before he got into a genetically targeted clinical, and he was already experiencing some neuropathy from the oxalipilatin
<UmbralRaptor> FluffyFoxeh: Send an HTTP 200 status code?
<SilverFox> chemo is hella scary
<UmbralRaptor> SnoopJeDi: ow
<APlayer> Personally I often do not want to type out an extremely long question if I don't know there is someone around who could potentially answer it
<SilverFox> the side effects are numerous and they aren't pretty
<SnoopJeDi> (also, entrectinib is an *amazing* drug)
<SilverFox> interesting
<SilverFox> it's an antitumor
<SnoopJeDi> when he entered the trial I found this conference presentation from the Phase I: https://i.imgur.com/g9mAmsI.png
<SilverFox> it says its for neuroblastomas
<SilverFox> wtf
<SnoopJeDi> I think that's the primary presentation of TRK gene fusions
<SilverFox> it's gone
<SnoopJeDi> IN 26 DAYS
<SilverFox> that's some jesus level meds
<SilverFox> that's not that small a tumour either
<SilverFox> it's not large but hot damn
<SnoopJeDi> yea, if FOLFOX and other chemo are carpet bombing, this is a cruise missile
<SilverFox> apparently
<SnoopJeDi> because as I understand it it only really messes with the mutated receptor kinases
<SilverFox> pretty epic
<SilverFox> I'm not seeing any other damages to the area as collateral
<SilverFox> both hemispheres look healthy
<SnoopJeDi> I don't grok enough microbio to really read the specifics but my understanding is that the gene fusion pastes some garbage onto the tail end of the kinase, and that causes hell because of TRK's role in the signaling cascade
<SilverFox> with genes it's really easy to screw with and just mess up the whole thing
<SnoopJeDi> but it also makes the target morphologically distinct from healthy tissue in a predictable way (there are particular flavors of TRK fusions but they're all related-ish), so you can design a drug with high affinity for fused complexes and no affinity for others
<SilverFox> a single insertion throws everything afterwards off
<Ellied> I'm annoyed by how twitchy IRCers are about asking-to-ask, tbh. I go into #sagemath and say "hey, is this the right place to ask about Jupyter Notebook problems?" and get someone's aliased copypasta about why exactly I fucked up by asking to ask.
<SnoopJeDi> AIUI a single basepair insertion would be caught by proofreading fairly easily, unless by "insertion" you mean a sequence
<SilverFox> insertion is any amount added
<Ellied> If I'd come in and asked about the wrong thing straight out, I assume I would have been similarly railed against. You kinda can't win sometimes
<SilverFox> could be a single base pair, or multiple
<SnoopJeDi> all I know is that this happens because of crossover problems where large segments are spliced in
<SnoopJeDi> and it becomes a problem for such-and-such discrete set of fusions. presumably others happen but are caught by proofreading or don't cause anomalous life cycle or...
<SilverFox> SnoopJeDi, I love the name of the global trial going on: "STARTTRK-2"
<SilverFox> STARTRK-2*
<SnoopJeDi> same
<SnoopJeDi> alas, dad is not a trekkie
<SilverFox> so they've opened up the study from just neuroblastomas to other types as well
<SnoopJeDi> Although I think I did manage to drag him to see Beyond
<SnoopJeDi> it's in Phase II now SilverFox but I don't know so much about the global stuff. His cancer is colorectal with peritoneal metastasis, which is very much not-neuroblastoma
<SilverFox> indeed
<SnoopJeDi> the only other not-FOLFOX treatment I'm aware of for peritoneal cancers is HIPEC, which can be summarized as "cut the patient open, dump chemo drugs directly into peritoneal sac, increase body temp and literally rock the patient back and forth for a while"
<SilverFox> sick
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<UmbralRaptor> ?
<SilverFox> I'm definitely not going into oncology though, mainly because I'm into pediatrics, and pediatric oncology would just depress me into superhuman levels
<SnoopJeDi> yea, I considered medical physics briefly before realizing it would bum me the hell out if I did anything other than machine certification
<bofh> SnoopJeDi: heh
<bofh> SilverFox: pediatric oncology sounds maximally depressing as a field :/
<SilverFox> it is
<SilverFox> which is why I'm going to hate it
<SilverFox> because it's inevitable in pediatrics
<SnoopJeDi> kids in general sounds too intense for me. my little sister is an RRT and used to work with premies...she had a lot of dead kid stories in a short time period
<SilverFox> yup
<SnoopJeDi> that was about the time I realized my little sister had grown way tf up and surpassed me in many ways
<SilverFox> that happens
<SilverFox> you quickly have to learn how to deal with death or you wont make it
<bofh> SnoopJeDi: RRT?
<bofh> SilverFox: yep.
<bofh> (I know I would not be able to handle it in the slightest :/)
<SnoopJeDi> registered respiratory therapist, sorry shoulda just typed it out
<SnoopJeDi> upshot: I know exactly how legitimate trachs on TV are if I watch something with her :)
<SnoopJeDi> (almost none)
<SilverFox> how should I trach someone properly?
<SnoopJeDi> you are $100% asking the wrong person, because my mental image is stabbing the esophagus with a tube
<SilverFox> alright cool
<SilverFox> my spacebar was broken and I just 90% fixed it by breaking it
<bofh> LOL
<bofh> stabbity
<UmbralRaptor> ???
<UmbralRaptor> egg: ? means "knife" right?
<egg> I think but I'm not sure
<egg> UmbralRaptor: tell bofh to ask the sumerians
<UmbralRaptor> Uh
<kmath> <FakeUnicode> We, of the Fake Unicode Consortium, have an Instability Policy. We guarantee never to be stable.
<kmath> <ken_lunde> Sigh. I was hoping that Egyptians could use 280 characters. Their hieroglyphs also count as two characters.
<Fiora> is anything up with sci-hub? the captcha recognizer isn't working for me
<bofh> Fiora: seems to work okay for me but I'm not hitting captcha so it might be just that bit that's broken?
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* UmbralRaptor stares at fullwidth Latin and katakana/hiragana
<Fiora> bofh: what causes someone to hit captcha?
<bofh> I actually have no idea, it seems to occur almost at random to me. Possibly requests/IP, request rate/IP, IP mapping/block? But none of those accurately explain it.
<bofh> I *suspect* whitequark might have a better idea; I really don't :/
<APlayer> I'd guess they track you with a cookie, and if you are known to have solved a captcha, you're free to roam the web until something rises suspicion about you?
<egg> !wpn Fiora
* Qboid gives Fiora a faithful bolt
* egg was meowed at by a pop. I cat today
<egg> (cat might actually be identical to a pop. II cat, not sure; if that's the case the classification of cats might be broken D:)
<egg> deduplicating cats is hard
<egg> !wpn UmbralRaptor
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<UmbralRaptor> !wpn egg
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<kmath> <ken_lunde> ...
<kmath> ... ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ...
<kmath> ... ???????????????????????????????????
<UmbralRaptor> Hoe
<UmbralRaptor> *How
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<UmbralRaptor> !u ????
<Qboid> U+12048 CUNEIFORM SIGN BARA2 (?)
<Qboid> U+1202D CUNEIFORM SIGN AN (?)
<Qboid> U+1202E CUNEIFORM SIGN AN OVER AN (?)
<Qboid> U+1202F CUNEIFORM SIGN AN THREE TIMES (?)
<UmbralRaptor> Bara2 looks oddly like a silicon chip.
<Iskierka> time travellers
<kmath> <Alex_Parker> Next up: Every named asteroid!
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<SnoopJeDi> Harperlee's closest approach is Friday, I hear-tell!
<UmbralRaptor> ;8ball does a commutator with A fields count as QED?
<kmath> UmbralRaptor: Signs point to yes
<kmath> <USATODAY> To clarify, the video shows both the shooter’s modifications, as well as other possible modifications. The shooter… https://t.co/E8YIfJ7Loi
<SnoopJeDi> oh, replies. I was wondering where you were going with that
<SnoopJeDi> OH. I'd also missed the rest of the linked tweet HAH
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<APlayer> Hi!
<SnoopJeDi> !wpn APlayer
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<APlayer> !wpn SnoopJeDi
* Qboid gives SnoopJeDi a Hopf inequality
<UmbralRaptor> !wpn -add:wpn saw
<Qboid> UmbralRaptor: Weapon added!
<UmbralRaptor> !wpn -add:adj chain
<Qboid> UmbralRaptor: Adjective added!
<APlayer> UmbralRaptor: Uh, I think "chain" will sound weird in many adjective positions...
<UmbralRaptor> !wpn APlayer
* Qboid gives APlayer an Ulthar phototransistor
<APlayer> !wpn UmbralRaptor
* Qboid gives UmbralRaptor a solid wyvern
<UmbralRaptor> Lots of silly things already.
<APlayer> But are "liquid" and "gaseous" a thing?
<APlayer> Also, does Qboid accept queries?
<UmbralRaptor> I want to say no, poke Thomas for the database?
<UmbralRaptor> !wpn -add:adj liquid
<Qboid> UmbralRaptor: Adjective already added!
<UmbralRaptor> !wpn -add:adj gaseous
<Qboid> UmbralRaptor: Adjective already added!
<UmbralRaptor> !wpn -add:adj plasma
<Qboid> UmbralRaptor: Adjective already added!
<APlayer> Uh, I mean IRC queries
<APlayer> Wanted to mess around with it a bit
<UmbralRaptor> I think it accepts /msg?
<Qboid> 1d 12h 0m 0s left to event #14: JPSS 1/Delta II 7920-10C [at 2017-11-10 09:47:03]. Say '!kountdown 14' for details
<APlayer> Fun thing:
<APlayer> !wpn all his money
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<APlayer> to*
<kmath> https://twitter.com/internetofshit/status/928296477725782016 <internetofshit> This is amazing! Logitech’s forum specifically censors “class action” and “lawsuit” ? https://t.co/ogpjCQ0KWo
<UmbralRaptor> !wpn APlayer a banhammer for failing to register
* Qboid gives APlayer a banhammer for failing to register a mu durandal
<UmbralRaptor> >_>;;
<UmbralRaptor> bofh: ???
<APlayer> UmbralRaptor: Who told you? :D
<UmbralRaptor> APlayer: the orb, of course.
<egg> !u e
<Qboid> U+FF45 FULLWIDTH LATIN SMALL LETTER E (e)
<APlayer> Uh, what?
<APlayer> (I see no tofus for once, but I still don't get it)
<UmbralRaptor> It's a character set in the CJK blocks so that you can use the Latin alphabet in the middle of some kana/kanji/hanzi thing without the spacing going weird.
<UmbralRaptor> Also looks ominous next to latin-1 letters.
<APlayer> I mean I don't get the joke :P
<kmath> <FioraAeterna> tfw you google a medical term and find a bunch of resources... ...for cats
<UmbralRaptor> egg: I mean, she *is* a cat, so they might help?
<egg> UmbralRaptor: indeed
<egg> UmbralRaptor: clearly, properly targeted search results,
<UmbralRaptor> APlayer: the orb itself? Random internet silliness.
<UmbralRaptor> APlayer: eg: https://twitter.com/christinelove/status/928049706781102080 and @hail_the_orb
<kmath> <christinelove> TWITTER UPDATE NOTES 11/7/17 • Maximum tweet length is now doubled to 280 • The numerical countdown, which has focu… https://t.co/UbqvAtWQ0H
<UmbralRaptor> Also, that weird pic from when Trump went to KSA.
<APlayer> Wait, does that mean the crap per tweet density of Trump just doubled?
<UmbralRaptor> Maybe.
<SnoopJeDi> I'd expect the density to be the same?
* UmbralRaptor blocked Trump in 2015, for all the good it did.
<SnoopJeDi> too early for meta commentary to be anything but Blue Website users being hot-takes idiots
<egg> Ellied: you should make a transistorbot
<SnoopJeDi> they goofed up by arbitrarily doubling it imo, because it's VERY obviously arbitrary
<egg> esp with the acronym thing
<SnoopJeDi> to say nothing of Fake Unicode/eevee's remarks on how counting chars is weird anyway
<UmbralRaptor> ^
<bofh> UmbralRaptor: muted words works wonders
<APlayer> Why is there even a tweet size limit?
<SnoopJeDi> restrictions stimulate creativity
<SnoopJeDi> (and brevity)
<UmbralRaptor> Also, the way they have an orb (with very discrete fill amounts), and only show remaining characters when 20 are left.
<SnoopJeDi> although the latter is not true for de-facto twitter considering the phenomenon of threads and screenshots of text, heh
<bofh> "Trump", "Trump's", "#MAGA" traps a good chunk, "congress" & "republican[s]"/"democrat[s]" removes another good chunk.
<UmbralRaptor> APlayer: originally it was for SMS compatibility.
<SnoopJeDi> I push terminally news-y stuff to its own list and leave it there
<bofh> on top of that, blocking @POTUS, @realDonaldTrump & @DonaldTrumpJr
<UmbralRaptor> bofh: it's worse than that, as he's politically relevant still.
<SnoopJeDi> I think William Gibson is the most toxic-politics person I actually follow
<SnoopJeDi> and he's *right* on the line of "the good stuff is not worth this"
<bofh> UmbralRaptor: yes but IME this gets it down to almost-manageable frequency.
<bofh> SnoopJeDi: agreed.
<SnoopJeDi> I have this feeling that curation is a problem that can't be "solved"
<bofh> UmbralRaptor: mind you I *am* a non-citizen, so I do filter politics a bit harder than locals prolly should, but still.
<APlayer> Protip: Ignore politics. Also, don't be that guy who complains about politics if you do ignore them.
<APlayer> Makes life a whole lot easier.
<SnoopJeDi> until the other foot drops
* SnoopJeDi glances at H.R. 1
<APlayer> While everything goes reasonably okay, I feel no need to get ibvolved at the cost of precious time and mental health
<egg> UmbralRaptor: I wonder why that cat meowed at me today
<SnoopJeDi> APlayer, not that I'm trying to talk you out of self-care, but if you wait until you feel the effects of a problem, it's generally too late
<SnoopJeDi> you do of course have to pick and choose your battles, but civil disengagement is a real danger imo (one the US is suffering from rather badly, judging by the 2016 election turnout #s)
<kmath> <Gankro> who decided to call it an enum discriminant and not The State Of The Union
<egg> (via atlas)
<SnoopJeDi> OTOH, yesterday went down rather nicely, so maybe things are looking up!
<kmath> <bofh453> OH: FeXIII (as in thirteenfold-ionized Iron).
<APlayer> Honestly, I don't see what I can do. I'll go and vote when asked to, but no way I'll be helpful by contributing to politicao discussions. I don't even feel like reading the news. Although usually I get informed of the most important events anyway, someone will mention them in my presence.
<SnoopJeDi> oh discussions yes are generally quite a waste
<SnoopJeDi> staying in touch with local governance is a good way to start, since the issues are literally closer to home
<SnoopJeDi> it's not nearly as entertaining as national politics, but that's the rub innit? people largely don't engage as members of a society, but as consumers of something to occupy their time
<SnoopJeDi> team sports politics heh
<APlayer> Well, as I said. I am absolutely not interested in politics and will tend to interact with it at the barest minimum.
<SnoopJeDi> but yea for national stuff it's...not a bad idea to rely on your social antennae. The SNR is very very poor
<egg> bofh: is there any canonical way of forcing a conversion from x87 extended precision to binary64 in C++? volatile works, wondering whether there's something more appropriate
<SnoopJeDi> APlayer, perhaps I'm too romantic, but I don't see interest as a prerequisite or even desireable
<APlayer> What else would drive me to engage with politics?
<SnoopJeDi> we don't politick for fun, we do it because it's necessary to keep the lights on, so in that (very west-centric via Greece) sense I view it as a responsibility
* UmbralRaptor has been frustrated with how hard it is to find good local newspapers, though.
<SnoopJeDi> yea, RIP print
<SnoopJeDi> APlayer, well...re: H.R. 1, I would like for people to be able to study...anything...so, that's why I'm engaging the subject
<SnoopJeDi> particularly out a sense of duty to people like bofh whom I care about but who are left without a lever to yank on
<Ellied> *logs into twitter* *21 notifications* buh?
<APlayer> SnoopJeDi: Some do it as their job. Those have to be good at it. All the other's responsibility is to ensure it is the good ones who do it as a job. My job is a totally different one, and I don't really see any benefit anyone would have if I did anything beyond this most basic responsibility...
<Ellied> looks like a few more white men came by to make the same joke I already made about placebo ICs
<APlayer> !wpn Ellied
* Qboid gives Ellied a Noetherian dynamo with a snakehead attachment
<UmbralRaptor> SnoopJeDi: is HR1 the one that taxes tuition wavers?
<SnoopJeDi> APlayer, I'd be overjoyed if people even *did* the "most basic responsibility" (i.e. voting ffs)
<SnoopJeDi> yes UmbralRaptor, it's the first proposed House bill for the 115th Congress
<APlayer> Well, can't do anything about that.
<SnoopJeDi> like hell I can't
<APlayer> Not more than perhaps going out to the mall and screaming it aloud until they ask you to do it outside
<SnoopJeDi> that's why I created a call script to distribute to my colleagues: to lower the activation energy for them to get involved
<kmath> <barrelshifter> keeper of the fridge https://t.co/60XXa79XMe
<SnoopJeDi> similarly, giving useful concise summaries of events pertinent to them when I think it's appropriate (which is rather rare)
* SnoopJeDi has been beating the "go vote!" drum on Slack since early voting opened here
<Ellied> https://twitter.com/sneakin/status/928309329232646144 I can't tell what's happening here
<kmath> <sneakin> @diodelass Good! Your mom has used LaTeX and has experience with the Unix shell.
<APlayer> Anyway, I'll leave that work to those who enjoy it rather than I do
<SnoopJeDi> I don't particularly enjoy it
<SnoopJeDi> but I don't enjoy flossing or washing dishes, either
<APlayer> Washing dishes is not something someone else might be better suited to do
<APlayer> Also, dishwasher
<SnoopJeDi> Right, there are plenty of things that make the task more manageable
<Ellied> HR1, if passed, would probably force me to drop out of uni immediately
<SnoopJeDi> I dunno, like I said I'm rather romantic on the matter. I don't think it's a coincidence that Athenians adopted the word "idiot" to mean someone who did not engage in public matters.
<bofh> Ellied: random thought: why hasn't anyone bolted on a joule thief to battery-powered christmas light strands?
<Ellied> I'm only here because of astronomical tuition being paid through remission
<SnoopJeDi> which I don't mean as an oblique insult, btw
<APlayer> Uh, Ellied, not sure if I actually asked or only thought about doing it... Is there an electrical component that amplifies an analog signal? I.e. like an enhancement mode MOSFET but with more than just on or off capability
<Ellied> bofh: has no one?
<SnoopJeDi> I can only govern my own behavior, and I'm just offering an explanation for what I saw as a legitimate inquiry
<Ellied> bofh: microcenter sells those parallel fairy lights, those would be easy to run with a joule thief if it could handle the current (big inductor I guess)
<bofh> Ellied: I'unno, I feel like it's obvious yet I can't *think* of any, granted I don't shop much, let alone for xmas crap.
<bofh> Ellied: yep, or lo-current LEDs, even.
<SnoopJeDi> Ellied, same, I don't think I know a single colleague who would not fit that mold
<Ellied> well, the LEDs (for green and blue) are already quite efficient, but getting them decently bright requires at least 1 mA per diode or so, which adds up quick. I think the strands are like 50 or 100 usually?
<APlayer> SnoopJeDi: Well, that's politics for you. Our opinions differ, and I don't think that it's possible for us to agree
<SnoopJeDi> well, agreement wasn't something I really set out to get
<bofh> How long are your fairy light strings? Anyway 50mA should be entirely doable.
<Ellied> I don't remember how many the one I got had. It's kinda shredded now from being tied to my bike and ridden everywhere.
<SnoopJeDi> just wanted to offer an explanation where I thought you were wondering about something. would be happy to continue the discussion elsewhere, but that's perhaps enough for this sacred space :)
<UmbralRaptor> Ellied: fun replies from @scanlime having lots of followers?
<Ellied> must be
* egg pokes bofh with his floating-point question
<Ellied> this isn't the first time I've been RTd by her, but I guess the subject matter is a bit deeper than the last few times
<UmbralRaptor> hm
<UmbralRaptor> My main comment on the subject matter is that Donald Norman has written some interesting UI books that people seem to wilfully misinterpret.
<APlayer> SnoopJeDi: I am not upset, if that's what you fear. ;-) Takes a bit more than politics to do that.
<SnoopJeDi> nah I didn't figure you were
<Ellied> Donald Norman? I'll look him up
<APlayer> This subject is a bit weird, though. So much potential for arguments.
<SnoopJeDi> AIUI the existence of a political field in a quantum vacuum is an open problem in poli sci
<APlayer> Ellied: Did you receive my question? Not pressing for an answer, would be just nice if you acknowledged it and answered whenever you feel like it
<Ellied> APlayer: so MOSFETs already do have a roughly-linear relationship between gate voltage and drain
<SnoopJeDi> UmbralRaptor, have you read The Design of Everyday Things? it's already on my to-read, but I have a recommendation shelf now
<Ellied> current if you're just barely above the threshold
<UmbralRaptor> SnoopJeDi: yeah, also Turn Signals are the Expressions of Cars (IIRC)
<Ellied> but for actual linear (amplifier) applications, you probably want a BJT (linear current-to-current) or JFET (linear voltage-to-current)
<APlayer> Okay, I'll look those up
<bofh> JFETs are super-nice.
<APlayer> Just a very long term thought I had here
<bofh> very simple depletion-mode devices that often swap cleanly in for a triode.
<SnoopJeDi> I have a bunch of designer friends who rave about that doc "Helvetica"
<APlayer> Thanks for the recommendations!
<SnoopJeDi> well, a few
<APlayer> Also, thanks SnoopJeDi for the talk!
<APlayer> I'm off for today, then :-)
<SnoopJeDi> you're welcome, thanks for listening to my screed :P
<egg> !wpn bofh
* Qboid gives bofh a helicoid
<SnoopJeDi> UmbralRaptor, hmm between the two which would you recommend? I'm trying to keep this shelf SOMEWHAT orderly
<Ellied> If you want to amplify audio, I think a BJT is more what you're after[citation needed] because they tend to be more tolerant of high current and you don't need the hugely-high-impedance capabilities of a JFET[citation needed]
<SnoopJeDi> despite knowing that ΔS_{Goodreads} ⋙ 0
<UmbralRaptor> SnoopJeDi: this was like a decade (or more) ago, so not sure.
<SnoopJeDi> mkay, I'll stick to the former since I had it on my list to begin with
<UmbralRaptor> I think the first one?
<bofh> Reminds me, I need to setup a goodreads myself.
<egg> !wpn add:adj extended
* Qboid gives add:adj extended a discrete Bucket O' Nitrogens™
* SnoopJeDi snickers
<egg> !wpn -add:adj extended
<Qboid> egg: Adjective added!
<bofh> Lol
<bofh> LOL*
<egg> bofh: so, do you happen to know a standard/readable way to force a truncation from extended format to binary64?
<egg> um, s/truncation/rounding/ rather
<bofh> egg: a typecast?
<egg> if only
<egg> bofh: some compilers like to keep things on the x87 stack even when they say double
<egg> going through a volatile works, but I wonder whether it can be made readable
<egg> (also this sounds extremely funny in french where volatile the noun means bird)
<egg> const-bird qualifiers
<UmbralRaptor> ?
<UmbralRaptor> Oh, different bird.
<egg> VolatileRaptor
<bofh> __asm__ __volatile__("fsttp (%0)" :"=m"(b64) :"s"(e80)); ?
<egg> bofh: I, uh, I'm not sure that's an improvement on the readability front :-p
<bofh> or w/e the inline asm constraint for "top of the x87 stack" is, I actually forget & don't have the gcc source code handy.
<egg> but I guess there isn't a nice way to actually say that then :-\
* egg stabs x87
<SnoopJeDi> dynamic_cast<Word*>(&bird)
<bofh> LOL
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* egg pets a bird
<egg> preferably one that is a cat
<rqou> egg: stop using x87?
<FluffyFoxeh> odd numbers >.>
<egg> rqou: I'm not the one doing that
<Qboid> [#475] title: Fix #382 - MinGW often reports negative CPU times. | When stopping a timer, the current time is subtracted... | https://github.com/google/benchmark/issues/475
<SnoopJeDi> I suspect egg is talking about the instruction set moreso than specific hardware?
<egg> SnoopJeDi: rqou's comment is still valid tho
<SnoopJeDi> heh, point
<egg> (I mean there are edge cases where some extended precision is nice)
<SnoopJeDi> the first time you mentioned it I was unfamiliar with it as an x86 subset, so I figured maybe that was unclear
<egg> (but at that point you're writing a numerical lib in an assembler or with intrinsics and you know what you're doing)
<egg> (also you're a cat)
<SnoopJeDi> subset/extension/whatever the most proper term is
<rqou> ah, this is a benchmarking tool
<egg> SnoopJeDi: I think if I were talking about the hardware the term would be 8087 or somesuch (and it would be the eighties)
<rqou> otherwise i would tell you "just stop making 32-bit builds"
<SnoopJeDi> egg, I like to pretend hardware doesn't exist because I don't grok it :)
<egg> rqou: I mean I'm not the one building it on mingw :-p
<SnoopJeDi> I struggle enough to get my head around anything assembler-y
<rqou> yeah, which is why you're just screwed :P
<egg> rqou: I build it with msvc on x64 and it works there (SSE2 of course)
<rqou> mingw x64 is also sse2
<egg> rqou: yeah, it's just that ericwf somehow builds mingw x86
<egg> rqou: anyway I'm quite happy with having figured out what was going on there, this was weird :-p
<rqou> yeah, x87 is dumb
<rqou> not as bad as ppc though
<egg> to diagnose those things, soft-float to the rescue tbh
<rqou> ibm stupid double-double floats
<egg> rqou: hey Principia has double-doubles :-p
<rqou> it does?
<rqou> ieee128 i hope?
<rqou> not ibm128
<egg> initially to abstract compensated summation, then we started needing a true double-double sum
<rqou> what is wrong with you
<egg> to be used with care (it's *not* correctly-rounded), but useful
<egg> rqou: well I am a talking egg, to start with,
<rqou> also, my template-fu is too weak and i can't tell wtf is happening there at all
<egg> ah yes principia has rather intricate template porn
<egg> rqou: it's a double precision T
<rqou> ok, at least you didn't bake double-double into a compiler ABI
<rqou> *cough* *cough* ibm
<egg> rqou: e.g. you can have a double precision Position<SomeFrame>, or Instant, or Length (or double!)
<egg> (in other words it interacts nicely with our typing of physical quantities and geometry)
<SnoopJeDi> building on mingw...
* SnoopJeDi shudders
<egg> rqou: Difference<T> is the type of the difference of two Ts, Product<T, U> the type of the product of a T and an U, (since everything has fancy typing those aliases are vital)
<rqou> mingw kinda works well enough enough of the time :P
<egg> rqou: e.g. a difference of positions is a displacement, a product of velocity and time is a displacement, etc.
<rqou> and the tangent space stuff you were explaining earlier? :P
<rqou> (i'm currently studying for my midterm/final tomorrow morning
<rqou> i hate this class
<egg> um well the tangent space is a vector space?
<egg> (at every point)
<egg> (which gives you a tangent bundle)
<rqou> iirc you got stuck on explaining this last time
<egg> ah
<egg> right
<FluffyFoxeh> F₂