UmbralRaptop changed the topic of #principia to: READ THE FAQ: http://goo.gl/gMZF9H; The current version is Fuchs. We currently target 1.5.1, 1.6.1, 1.7.x, 1.8.1, and 1.9.1. <scott_manley> anyone that doubts the wisdom of retrograde bop needs to get the hell out | https://xkcd.com/323/ | <egg> calculating the influence of lamont on Pluto is a bit silly… | <egg> also 4e16 m * 2^-52 is uncomfortably large
<discord-> g​ravShark. — hrmmm. does this look weird to anyone or am I seeing things? note the combination of navball orientation, what I'm telling mechjeb to do, and the actual craft orientation
<discord-> g​ravShark. — this one's really wrinkling my brain and i can't figure out what's going on
<discord-> l​pg. — the navball sure looks like the odd one out
<discord-> g​ravShark. — im just trying to run some landing sims i guess, and i thought i was just screwing up the landings but there's some really strange behavior hapening
<discord-> l​pg. — is 'impact in 84s' sensible? you seem awfully high and awfully slow
<discord-> l​pg. — sims and principia _do_ have issues
<discord-> l​pg. — krash sims and principia _do_ have issues (edited)
<discord-> g​ravShark. — that would explain it
<discord-> g​ravShark. — the altitudes KJR and so on are reading also don't really seem ri ght
<discord-> l​pg. — in my experience, switching vessels (within the sim) sorts it all out
<discord-> g​ravShark. — surface vs SL atlitudes will both be at like 6km or more, and i still impact
<discord-> g​ravShark. — o rly, i will try that
<discord-> l​pg. — toggling 'hack gravity' on and off _might_ also fix it. I can never remember whether that's a theory or something I've actually tried
<discord-> g​ravShark. — switching vessels in the sim and back to it fixed it
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<discord-> S​irius. — How much delta V I need for TLI from a parking orbit?
<discord-> S​irius. — Every time I don't have enough of too much
<discord-> S​irius. — Every time I don't have enough or too much (edited)
<discord-> S​irius. — Sometime it tells me 2800 m/s, sometime +3000
<discord-> A​cer_Saccharum. — 3150 m/s from LEO
<discord-> S​irius. — Ok thank you
<discord-> S​irius. — @Acer_Saccharum That's it, thanks
<discord-> S​irius. — And how much for a Lunar impactor from a parking orbit?
<discord-> A​cer_Saccharum. — should be the same amount, just aimed differently
<discord-> A​cer_Saccharum. — if you add a tiny bit of "northward" velocity to the burn you posted above, you'd smack the moon at great speed
<discord-> A​cer_Saccharum. — if you slightly change the direction of the burn you posted above, you'd smack the moon at great speed (edited)
<discord-> S​irius. — What do you mean by "direction"?
<discord-> A​cer_Saccharum. — messing around with the binormal and normal components of your burn
<discord-> K​irk. — Or burning 30 seconds earlier/later
<discord-> A​cer_Saccharum. — your flyby is *so close* to hitting the moon
<discord-> A​cer_Saccharum. — it will only take a tiny change to your burn to hit the moon rather than graze past it
<discord-> S​irius. — Yeah but I've forgot to put on Inertially fixed and Instant Impulse
<discord-> S​irius. — Here's the trajectory
<discord-> S​irius. — Pretty far with these activate
<discord-> A​cer_Saccharum. — can you not execute the burn manually without instant impulse and inertially fixed active?
<discord-> S​irius. — Nope
<discord-> S​irius. — I have SRB to do the burn
<discord-> S​irius. — I'm on an early career
<discord-> A​cer_Saccharum. — yes, then play around with the flight plan until you have a trajectory that hits the moon and uses the exact amount of ∆v you have in that stage
<discord-> S​irius. — But 3150 m/s should be enough even with SRB?
<discord-> A​cer_Saccharum. — yes, my suggestion is to create a burn that uses the exact amount of ∆v yuou have
<discord-> K​irk. — 3150 is about the minimum
<discord-> A​cer_Saccharum. — yes, my suggestion is to create a burn that uses the exact amount of ∆v you have (edited)
<discord-> A​cer_Saccharum. — ~3150 is the minimum, but there is no maximum
<discord-> S​irius. — That's the tricky part
<discord-> A​cer_Saccharum. — just create a maneuver that uses every last m/s your solid stage has
<discord-> A​cer_Saccharum. — and hits the moon
<discord-> A​cer_Saccharum. — let's say your SRM stage has 3,237 m/s of ∆v, then you should create a maneuver in the flight plan that hits the moon and uses exactly 3,237 m/s of ∆v
<discord-> A​cer_Saccharum. — I guarantee you can hit the moon using 3,237 m/s if you can hit it with 3,150 m/s
<discord-> K​irk. — In my experience 3123 m/s is the absolute bare minimum to impact under optimal conditions
<discord-> K​irk. — you'll probably want 3200 or more though
<discord-> S​irius. — With SRB? @Kirk
<discord-> A​cer_Saccharum. — whether or not you use an SRB doesn't affect the minimum
<discord-> A​cer_Saccharum. — I assume that your stage has a high acceleration, which should if anything slightly reduce the minimum requirements
<discord-> K​irk. — SRB makes no difference
<discord-> S​irius. — Even with Inertially Fixed with Instant impulse?
<discord-> S​irius. — That are activate
<discord-> K​irk. — dunno about principia
<discord-> A​cer_Saccharum. — why are you using those modes?
<discord-> S​irius. — Someone tells me that I have to use them for SRB
<discord-> A​cer_Saccharum. — whoever told you that is wrong
<discord-> A​cer_Saccharum. — you need to use those if you want Mechjeb to be able to execute the maneuver automatically
<discord-> S​ilavite. — You need to use inertially fixed if your stage lacks attitude control
<discord-> S​irius. — I don't have avionics to control the probe when the SRB stages are activated
<discord-> K​irk. — Inertially fixed you'll probably want, if its unguided
<discord-> S​irius. — Yeah
<discord-> A​cer_Saccharum. — but you still don't want instant impulse if you're doing it manually
<discord-> S​irius. — What is it for? (Instant Impulse)
<discord-> A​cer_Saccharum. — it assumes the ∆v is applied in a single instant, rather than smeared out over a few seconds or minutes
<discord-> A​cer_Saccharum. — if you're using anything like Mechjeb to automatically execute the burn I believe you need to use it
<discord-> A​cer_Saccharum. — however it will likely lead to inaccuracies, since your vessel definitely doesn't have infinite thrust
<discord-> S​irius. — Yeah
<discord-> A​cer_Saccharum. — it assumes the ∆v is applied in a single instant, rather than being smeared out over a few seconds or minutes (edited)
<discord-> S​ilavite. — From some of egg's statements, I think the Principia flight planner doesn't play nicely with SRBs as an active engine.
<discord-> S​irius. — Yup
<discord-> S​irius. — So I've timewarp a little bit and I could impact the Moon, but I didn't have no more electricity
<discord-> S​irius. — So it's more when you launch it
<discord-> S​irius. — So it's more when you ignite the TLI stage (edited)
<discord-> S​irius. — So I've timewarp a little bit and I could impact the Moon, but I didn't have no more electricity to ignite the SRB (edited)
<discord-> S​irius. — Pretty happy with that, I was hopping for an impact with the moon, but nope. I've done it without Instant Impulse
<discord-> S​irius. — Yay
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<discord-> S​irius. — My first Lunar Impactor
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<_whitenotifier-d13c> [Principia] pleroy opened pull request #2597: Fix a bug where Diagonalize would produce non-unit quaternions - https://git.io/JfK5m
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<_whitenotifier-d13c> [Principia] eggrobin labeled pull request #2597: Fix a bug where Diagonalize would produce non-unit quaternions - https://git.io/JfK5m
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<_whitenotifier-d13c> [Principia] pleroy 1e8ee98 - Fix a bug where Diagonalize would produce non-unit quaternions.
<_whitenotifier-d13c> [Principia] pleroy ab70029 - Merge pull request #2597 from pleroy/Diagonalize Fix a bug where Diagonalize would produce non-unit quaternions
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<_whitenotifier-d13c> [Principia] larryfast closed issue #2594: I'm getting "Principia DLL failed to load" on fuchs for 1.9.1 - https://git.io/JfKYa
<_whitenotifier-d13c> [Principia] larryfast commented on issue #2594: I'm getting "Principia DLL failed to load" on fuchs for 1.9.1 - https://git.io/JfKb8
<_whitenotifier-d13c> [Principia] pleroy closed pull request #2598: Say 'template' everywhere - https://git.io/JfKdU
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<_whitenotifier-d13c> [Principia] scimas commented on issue #2519: Spin-up on reentry under physics warp with FAR - https://git.io/Jf6TT
<discord-> L​uci. — How do I set an object as my target in principia
<discord-> D​amien. — upgrade mission control and tracking station and there'll be a select target celestial option on the principia window
<discord-> L​uci. — I see it now, thank you