egg changed the topic of #principia to: READ THE FAQ: http://goo.gl/gMZF9H; The current version is Germain. We currently target 1.8.1, 1.9.1, 1.10.1, and 1.11.0. <scott_manley> anyone that doubts the wisdom of retrograde bop needs to get the hell out | https://xkcd.com/323/ | <egg> calculating the influence of lamont on Pluto is a bit silly… | <egg> also 4e16 m * 2^-52 is uncomfortably large
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<nanomage> hello, is there an easy way to allow Germain to run with KSP 1.11.1? - It seems i'm unable to make steam rollback to 1.11.0
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<discord-> s​ichelgaita. — Add a cfg file containing `principia_override_version_check {}`.
<nanomage> that worked thanks
<discord-> s​iimav. — Why even version lock to the third number (build number) in the first place?
<discord-> e​gg. — there have been upgrades of the third number that should really have been upgrades of the second
<discord-> e​gg. — I think I am thinking of 0.23.5
<discord-> s​iimav. — That's... ancient
<discord-> e​gg. — less so than the beginning of Principia development https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/graphs/contributors
<discord-> e​gg. — (albeit more ancient than the first release)
<discord-> s​iimav. — On the other hand, I'm completely opposed to version locking so don't mind me 🙂
<discord-> e​gg. — well, we have an escape hatch anyway
<discord-> e​gg. — (and we tend to upgrade reasonably quickly, what with the lunar schedule)
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<_whitenotifier-8975> [Principia] lpgagnon commented on issue #2815: Save-corruption crash: 0 < header_bits - https://git.io/Jt8rz
<discord-> P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they). — 0.23.5 can't be that ancient
<discord-> s​ichelgaita. — April 1, 2014
<discord-> P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they). — That isn't that long ago
<discord-> M​arsh. — In computer terms it is. That was two computers ago for me
<discord-> l​pg. — in ksp terms it's pretty literally prehistoric
<discord-> l​amont. — from a programmer perspective of a platform that is used by tons of random people where you don't have visibility into how they're using it (and where your own API has grown organically and the internals have been somewhat randomly publicly exposed without being designed with good data hiding) it is very often difficult to determine if you've got a 3rd number or a 2nd number.
<discord-> e​gg. — yeah
<discord-> e​gg. — iirc 0.23.5 also had a PR aspect to it
<discord-> e​gg. — but I forget the details
<discord-> l​amont. — we now use 3rd numbers as a build number and release the 2nd number bumps every month (although not lunar months, we target calendar -- and often miss)
<raptop> 0.23.5 was accidentally setting part balance on fire for those cool SLS bits
<raptop> (this has since been fixed)
<discord-> l​amont. — and sometimes what you think is a 3rd number some people complain vigorously and loudly should really have been a 1st number, even though you'd argue they never should have been poking that deeply into your codebase
<discord-> B​utcher. — This is how you end up with products being version 0.0.0.0.1.0.13423
<raptop> pdfTeX 3.14159265-2.6-1.40.18 (TeX Live 2017/Debian)
<raptop> (speaking of cursed versioning schemes)
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<discord-> (​experimentalshells?). — when Donald eventually dies then the version number gets set to π
<discord-> (​experimentalshells?). — (precluding, of course, mind upload or any other form of life extension/immortality)
<discord-> l​amont. — i know that out to 6 more digits, which i think is about the precision of a double
<raptop> 3.14159265358979323846264338327950...
<raptop> IIRC
<discord-> l​amont. — more precision than a double doesn't exist
<discord-> l​amont. — (much like wyoming, new zealand and birds)
<raptop> *angry chirping*
<raptop> Anyway, 33 digits gets you atomic nucleus precision at interstellar distances
<discord-> S​tandecco. — a double is less than half of that though
<discord-> l​amont. — As someone who gets dopamine hits from seeing 185.000 x 185.000 orbits that does in fact intrigue me
<discord-> S​tandecco. — mechjeb plotting atomic precision interstellar trajectories when?
<discord-> l​amont. — Soon(tm)
<raptop> radical finitism of the sort that claims that 171! doesn't exist?
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<discord-> P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they). — 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971.... I used to know hundreds
<discord-> (​experimentalshells?). — of course, then you get the type of people who memorize the continued fraction expansion instead
<discord-> P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they). — It is easy to memorize it in base pi, and its infinite series representation
<raptop> uh
<discord-> e​gg. — or Bielefeld
<discord-> D​RVeyl. — <https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DgIVGftIWt4s&ved=2ahUKEwj8iLOhqMLuAhUcFFkFHX_yAsEQ28sGMAF6BAgBEBQ&usg=AOvVaw3ZFTeeNS7HtkHeGTaNJg3m> They exist, that's not the issue. What they are, however.
<raptop> birds are photinos (Baxter 1994)