egg changed the topic of #principia to: Logs: https://esper.irclog.whitequark.org/principia | <scott_manley> anyone that doubts the wisdom of retrograde bop needs to get the hell out | https://xkcd.com/323/ | <egg> calculating the influence of lamont on Pluto is a bit silly…
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<queqiao-> ⟨S​paceXenthusiast⟩ Does Transfer Window Planner work with principia and RSS?
<queqiao-> ⟨S​tonesmile⟩ It works decwntly well, if you use the version pinned in #ro-general you also get the correct launch LAN and inclination
<queqiao-> ⟨S​tonesmile⟩ It works decently well, if you use the version pinned in #ro-general you also get the correct launch LAN and inclination (edited)
<queqiao-> ⟨S​paceXenthusiast⟩ Ah neat, thanks a million!
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<_whitenotifier> [Principia] pleroy opened pull request #3122: A mechanism for prepending a Forkable to another Forkable - https://git.io/JutCe
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<_whitenotifier> [Principia] eggrobin reviewed pull request #3122 commit - https://git.io/JutuB
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] pleroy synchronize pull request #3122: A mechanism for prepending a Forkable to another Forkable - https://git.io/JutCe
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<_whitenotifier> [Principia] pleroy opened pull request #3123: Next release is Hadamard - https://git.io/Juqch
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<_whitenotifier> [Principia] eggrobin labeled pull request #3123: Next release is Hadamard - https://git.io/Juqch
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] pleroy closed pull request #3123: Next release is Hadamard - https://git.io/Juqch
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] pleroy pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±2] https://git.io/JuqC1
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] pleroy d72f615 - Next release is Hadamard.
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] pleroy 0402cb6 - Merge pull request #3123 from pleroy/Hadamard Next release is Hadamard
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<_whitenotifier> [Principia] pleroy tagged 0402cb6 as 2021090701-Haar https://git.io/Juqlj
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] pleroy created tag 2021090701-Haar - https://git.io/fpDwq
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<queqiao-> ⟨M​udkip909 | 𒀱 supporter⟩ dire situation:
<queqiao-> ⟨M​udkip909 | 𒀱 supporter⟩ how the f- do i reduce my 514 Mb save file
<queqiao-> ⟨M​udkip909 | 𒀱 supporter⟩ principia made it huge
<queqiao-> ⟨M​udkip909 | 𒀱 supporter⟩ i **need** it to go down
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ Known issue, <https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/issues/2400>
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ old vessels in orbit are what makes it big
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ get rid of them
<queqiao-> ⟨M​udkip909 | 𒀱 supporter⟩ ight
<queqiao-> ⟨M​udkip909 | 𒀱 supporter⟩ rip them
<queqiao-> ⟨M​udkip909 | 𒀱 supporter⟩ landed vessels dont count, right?
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ landed vessels don’t exist for Principia
<queqiao-> ⟨M​udkip909 | 𒀱 supporter⟩ ok good
<queqiao-> ⟨M​udkip909 | 𒀱 supporter⟩ because right now i have 1 minute quicksave times
<queqiao-> ⟨s​cimas⟩ Or reset their histories through the hack gravity trick for some temporary relief.
<queqiao-> ⟨M​udkip909 | 𒀱 supporter⟩ and sometimes it crashes
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] pleroy closed pull request #3122: A mechanism for prepending a Forkable to another Forkable - https://git.io/JutCe
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] pleroy pushed 13 commits to Entwurf [+0/-0/±33] https://git.io/JuqEk
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] pleroy 484821f - Try to prepend in Forkable.
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] pleroy 0d1f6c2 - Compilation errors.
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] pleroy b462dd3 - A simple test.
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] ... and 10 more commits.
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ yeah that’s 8 MBps, that’s consistent with what we expect from KSP’s parser.
<queqiao-> ⟨M​udkip909 | 𒀱 supporter⟩ speaking of read speeds, i remember hearing principia read files faster than ksp
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ Principia doesn’t read its own files (but it does process that data much faster than KSP does beforehand)
<queqiao-> ⟨M​udkip909 | 𒀱 supporter⟩ oh
<queqiao-> ⟨M​udkip909 | 𒀱 supporter⟩ found the major culprit
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ From here
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ > The overall speed for loading a save is 9.3 MiB/s. KSP itself loads at 12.6 MiB/s, and Principia at 34.9 MiB/s. In
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ > other words, KSP accounts for 75% of the time, Principia for 25%.
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ ah yes, that’s going to eat some memory
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ if you are still using it, follow scimas’s advice, switch to it and hack/unhack gravity
<queqiao-> ⟨M​udkip909 | 𒀱 supporter⟩ im not using it
<queqiao-> ⟨M​udkip909 | 𒀱 supporter⟩ but ill try the hack gravity thing
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ if you’re not using it, you might as well just get rid of it
<queqiao-> ⟨M​udkip909 | 𒀱 supporter⟩ its outdated
<queqiao-> ⟨M​udkip909 | 𒀱 supporter⟩ its 2010 ingame now
<queqiao-> ⟨M​udkip909 | 𒀱 supporter⟩ the probes from 1964
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ wow, a properly long game
<queqiao-> ⟨M​udkip909 | 𒀱 supporter⟩ yeah
<queqiao-> ⟨M​udkip909 | 𒀱 supporter⟩ most of the time i spent on crewed mars missions and a cassini-like probe
<queqiao-> ⟨M​udkip909 | 𒀱 supporter⟩ for surface ops it might make sense to build a ground relay
<queqiao-> ⟨M​udkip909 | 𒀱 supporter⟩ much better now
<queqiao-> ⟨M​udkip909 | 𒀱 supporter⟩ @egg
<queqiao-> ⟨M​udkip909 | 𒀱 supporter⟩ a reduction of 493 mb
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ yeah 46 years of martian orbits is going to take up a lot of space
<queqiao-> ⟨M​udkip909 | 𒀱 supporter⟩ i dont want to even think about how much precession happened
<queqiao-> ⟨M​udkip909 | 𒀱 supporter⟩ it takes 4 seconds to quicksave now
<queqiao-> ⟨M​udkip909 | 𒀱 supporter⟩ it used to take 20-30 secs
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<queqiao-> ⟨M​udkip909 | 𒀱 supporter⟩ why was the sun flares even in principia lma
<queqiao-> ⟨M​udkip909 | 𒀱 supporter⟩ why was the sun flares even in principia lmao (edited)
<queqiao-> ⟨T​ob⟩ guys, my spin stabilized upper stage isnt working, is starts tumbling and swayig as soon as i decouple it
<queqiao-> ⟨T​ob⟩ for the 3000km downrange contract
<queqiao-> ⟨T​ob⟩ is this being caused by principia?
<queqiao-> ⟨T​ob⟩ guys, my spin stabilized upper stage isnt working, is starts tumbling and swaying as soon as i decouple it (edited)
<egg> can you show us a picture of said stage perhaps?
<queqiao-> ⟨T​ob⟩ this one
<queqiao-> ⟨l​pg⟩ you appear to have forgotten your fins
<queqiao-> ⟨T​ob⟩ this stage is decoupled at 60km altitude
<queqiao-> ⟨T​ob⟩ finst wont be much use
<queqiao-> ⟨A​l2Me6⟩ Well, it doesn't look like it would suffer from the Dzhanibekov effect
<queqiao-> ⟨A​l2Me6⟩ If you don't think it's dynamic pressure-related then maybe try a different decoupler?
<queqiao-> ⟨l​pg⟩ there's still plenty of air to bite at 60km
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ you're not on Kerbin anymore
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ (you're probably not in Kansas either)
<queqiao-> ⟨T​ob⟩ ok i added some fins, ill simulate here and see how it goes
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ As for the Джанибеков effect to which @Al2Me6 alludes, it will affect things that you try to spin about their middle axis of inertia; they will repeatedly flip end-over-end. Here you are spinning about the long axis though, so you should be safe.
<queqiao-> ⟨T​ob⟩ its still swaying but much much much much less now
<queqiao-> ⟨T​ob⟩ id say about 3 degrees
<queqiao-> ⟨T​ob⟩ thank you all for helping me
<raptop> I mean, who even is in Kansas anymore
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