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<queqiao-_> ⟨!​Kerbinator (UTC+8)!⟩ usually I choose Lyapunov orbit as a primary orbit, then inject into a halo orbit, which is kinda easier to handle
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<queqiao-_> ⟨C​harzy⟩ So, I'm thinking of using Principia
<queqiao-_> ⟨C​harzy⟩ Am I going to have to deal with satellites nearly falling out of orbit all the time and needing me to manually do station keeping for every single satellite I have active? Because I feel like that would get really old, really fast
<queqiao-_> ⟨S​tonesmile⟩ Orbits around Earth are stable, but the Moon for example is another story; there you have to do station keeping
<queqiao-_> ⟨C​harzy⟩ Is there anything (or even another mod) to help make that less annoying? I have a strong suspicion that having to switch to the same old set of probes every so often to fix their orbits a little bit with the onboard fuel is going to be pretty tedious
<queqiao-_> ⟨Q​uadrupole⟩ Check the pinned message for stable orbits around the moon.
<queqiao-_> ⟨e​gg⟩ some orbits need stationkeeping; others don’t. Which orbits you pick is your choice.
<queqiao-_> ⟨e​gg⟩ (unless some RP-1 contract mandates a silly orbit, in which case you should clamour for σκοπος to put an end to that nonsense)
<queqiao-_> ⟨S​tonesmile⟩ How would a GPS contract be designed with Skopos?
<queqiao-_> ⟨e​gg⟩ model DOP, require covering some area with some precision with some reliability; by excluding satellites that are too low on the horizon in some locations you should naturally make the player come up with things like QZSS
<queqiao-_> ⟨e​gg⟩ (or the GEO components of regional systems, e.g., IRNSS, and the GEO augmentations of some global systems, e.g. 北斗)
<queqiao-_> ⟨S​tonesmile⟩ GPS is likely one of the first things in RP-1 that would use Skopos, since the current contract is *horrible*
<queqiao-_> ⟨Q​uadrupole⟩ What is Skopos?
<queqiao-_> ⟨S​tonesmile⟩ An extension to Contract configurator that also builds on Kerbalism. The goal is to give the player a set of requirements that do not enforce orbit parameters or even vessel count
<queqiao-_> ⟨S​tonesmile⟩ So for a GPS contract, the requirement would be coverage and accuracy instead of "place these 24 sats into these orbits"
<queqiao-_> ⟨Q​uadrupole⟩ Ensuring LoS to four sats in every single corner of the earth sounds fun
<queqiao-_> ⟨Q​uadrupole⟩ Extra fund for keeping LoS of eight sats at your launch site
<queqiao-_> ⟨Q​uadrupole⟩ Ensuring LoS (and low DoP) to four sats in every single corner of the earth sounds fun (edited)
<queqiao-_> ⟨!​Kerbinator (UTC+8)!⟩ well contract are often made to be silly in RSS
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<queqiao-_> ⟨e​gg⟩ honestly at this point, while it arose from kerbalism discussions (with Sir Mortimer) the kerbalism dependency is anecdotal, it’s just for resource consumption I think.
<queqiao-_> ⟨e​gg⟩ (which matters a lot for some mission profiles, e.g. radar, but is just one of many concerns in most cases)
<queqiao-_> ⟨e​gg⟩ right now I have been poking at having the contract for telecoms, because I think it’s the easiest thing to build : RA provides the parts and a solid antenna framework, no need to do fancy mapping maths like for radar, just « can X talk to Y with bandwidth Z »
<queqiao-_> ⟨e​gg⟩ right now I have been poking at having the support for telecoms, because I think it’s the easiest thing to build : RA provides the parts and a solid antenna framework, no need to do fancy mapping maths like for radar, just « can X talk to Y with bandwidth Z » (edited)
<queqiao-_> ⟨e​gg⟩ right now I have been poking at building support for telecoms, because I think it’s the easiest thing to build : RA provides the parts and a solid antenna framework, no need to do fancy mapping maths like for radar, just « can X talk to Y with bandwidth Z » (edited)
<queqiao-_> ⟨S​tonesmile⟩ I think @DRVeyl was looking at something similar for a CC extension
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​RVeyl⟩ Not really -- egg's work is what I would point at as a much better way to do it.
<queqiao-_> ⟨e​gg⟩ I have been chatting eggstensively with the doctor about σκοπος things though
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​RVeyl⟩ Connectivity to the DSN and a rate requirement for it, sure. Anything more complex or interesting...σκοπος
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