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<Thomas>
o/
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<Thomas>
VITAS: btw, someone in ksp official some hours ago: "Hmmm, if only there was some company out there that specialized in mod hosting that didn't go down on an irregular basis....I think squad might want to partner up with them" ... Didn't know whether to laugh or cry :P
<VITAS>
does curse do that?
<VITAS>
and did you reply?
<VITAS>
also i think ive a pretty good uptime
<Thomas>
no, didnt reply
<VITAS>
should
<VITAS>
now its to late
<VITAS>
every user could and should reply that spacedock exists and there isnt a cry for something else so it must be good
<VITAS>
or at least not as bad as curse :9
<Lartza>
Curse goes down often? :S
<Lartza>
I've only used the minecraft side of curse but never had any problems
<Thomas>
I think that was a reference to the sd downtime, combined with dumb users :P
<Lartza>
I see
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<VITAS>
i have no idea about their uptimes
<VITAS>
should be flawless. its a business so they should have better gear than i do
<VITAS>
also: squad can always pay me money. i would build something more reliable in an instant
<Olympic1>
yeah but curse has ads, sd hase none
<VITAS>
until then my reply is: if you dont donate time, resources or money: stop complaining
<VITAS>
curse not only has ads but aso give away or even sell userdata
<Lartza>
And is owned by Amazon
<VITAS>
is curse amazon?
<Olympic1>
amazon bought twitch and curse
<VITAS>
Thomas, can you past the line about the ""Hmmm, if only there was some company..."?
<VITAS>
when?
<VITAS>
see i realy do live behind the mun
<Olympic1>
twitch in aug 2014 and curse in aug 2016
<Thomas>
[16:58:38] <NixonsRichard> Hmmm, if only there was some company out there that specialized in mod hosting that didn't go down on an irregular basis....I think squad might want to partner up with them
<VITAS>
darklight informs me thatere is a newer ksp ver than 1.2.2?
<VITAS>
do i need ot add something?
<Olympic1>
1.2.9 is a prerelease for 1.3
<VITAS>
so do we want that as version in sd or wait for 1.3?
<VITAS>
because there arent optional versins
<VITAS>
versions
<Thomas>
I know no mod that really works on 1.2.9
<Thomas>
(granted, I dont visit the forums regulary)
<VITAS>
problem beeing: all mods will be flagged as outdated
<Thomas>
So I wouldn't add it yet
<VITAS>
ok i think ill wait till someone screams
<Olympic1>
ks and sd never added prereleases, so why now
<VITAS>
right
<Lartza>
Not sure how independent Twitch Interactive Inc. is or does Amazon call shots like buying Curse
<Lartza>
Since Curse is owned by Twitch Interactive not the parent company, which owns Twitch Interactive :P
<VITAS>
i still cant understand why someone would call a company and a website "curse"
<VITAS>
but interresting situation
<VITAS>
minecraft is owned by ms and its biggest modding site by amazone
<Lartza>
I guess microsoft bought beam to keep even a little bit up :P
<Lartza>
Now MS owns a streaming site, but no modding site yet ;)
* Lartza
goes to check who owns nexus
<Lartza>
Nobody! Microsoft's move it seems
<Lartza>
:P
<VITAS>
beam goes well with bing :P
<Lartza>
Windows 10 Creators Update integrated beam also so... MS was quick
<VITAS>
so i should reneame spacedock "blim"
<VITAS>
yes but whos interrested in some skyrim stuff?
<VITAS>
i think curse is interresting because its another way to get all that minecraft player data and telemtrsy
<VITAS>
-s
<VITAS>
thats why i dont expect someone to buy nexus or spacedock
<VITAS>
or squad
<VITAS>
:D
<VITAS>
but i wonder what squads contract says
<VITAS>
why they are still going with curse
<Olympic1>
money?
<VITAS>
but whos making it?
<VITAS>
they could simply say: ditch curse and put spacedock (or even ckan) in its place
<Olympic1>
squad gives users to curse what makes money for curse because of ads and curse gives a percentage to squad
<Olympic1>
thats how I see it
<VITAS>
might be
<Thomas>
And if they would promote spacedock they would have to care. Even if they just throw money after curse, they dont have to deal with "aaaahh, mod site is down"
<VITAS>
but all depends on ppl actualy clicking the mod button in ksp
<VITAS>
hmm yes i would be able to say: you make it official? then support me!
<VITAS>
i wonder how they would react if a mod would replace the mods link in ksp with spacedock.
<Thomas>
Some translation mods replace the community link in the menu with a link to the german/french/spanish/etc. community
<Thomas>
squad never cared :D
<VITAS>
but if Olympic1 is correct they would care about replacing their curse link
<Thomas>
I make a mod and you publish it? :P
<VITAS>
i will
<VITAS>
noone said its a problem so im happy to find out
<Lartza>
Right, stuff like that becomes standard when you've used Linux :)
<VITAS>
that nixon guy is pretty frendly
<VITAS>
:/
<Lartza>
(Currently a relatively happy Windows 10 user though :S)
<VITAS>
Thomas, cool
<VITAS>
* You have been kicked from #KSPOfficial by NixonsRichard (Please don't link to sites asking for money) <- what an ass
<Olympic1>
i saw
<VITAS>
and i didnt even ask for money
<Lartza>
wat
<Thomas>
Who the hell is that guy
<Thomas>
is he squad staff or what
<VITAS>
hes op so someone at squad must trust him
<VITAS>
....to fuck everything up....
<Olympic1>
i cant check he left after kicking VITAS
<VITAS>
huh?
<VITAS>
strange person
<VITAS>
but its an official squad channel
<VITAS>
so there shouldnt be ppl op that squad isnt supporting
<VITAS>
so i take it as official squad statement
<Lartza>
"same rules of conduct we enforce on the forum are also in effect there"
<VITAS>
and im allowed to have the patreon link in my signature on the forums
<Olympic1>
yes
<Lartza>
Yes, you are allowed to have anything that asks for optional donations on the forums
<Lartza>
Just checked
<VITAS>
and he was explicitly accusing me of begging for money and having a lot of it
<Lartza>
wat
<Lartza>
Inside information? You won the lottery?
<Lartza>
:P
<VITAS>
<NixonsRichard> As much as you beg for money, should have a pretty good setup
<VITAS>
<VITAS> so thats how you see it?
<VITAS>
<VITAS> i think the income situation is very transparent
<VITAS>
<VITAS> https://www.patreon.com/spacedock <- you can check it here and tell me if you would sell me a professional cdn for that
<VITAS>
* You have been kicked from #KSPOfficial by NixonsRichard (Please don't link to sites asking for money)
<Lartza>
Sounds pretty ignorant
<Lartza>
125 dollars for a good website, I'd like to see that happen
<VITAS>
my initial message:
<VITAS>
<VITAS> [16:58:38] <NixonsRichard> Hmmm, if only there was some company out there that specialized in mod hosting that didn't go down on an irregular basis....I think squad might want to partner up with them <- Hmm if there only was a squad that would support the communities choice for hosting mods so it could afford a more professional setup.
<Olympic1>
he is a mod on forums
<Thomas>
<Thomas> NixonsRichard: VITAS isn't asking for money. He is asking for people to understand that spacedock is a project run by the community, where stuff can go wrong, and where misstakes can happen easier. SpaceDock is managed by two people, the software is pretty much junk and VITAS is already throwing more and more hardware against it.
<Olympic1>
Frybert
<VITAS>
ah ok i rememebr him
<VITAS>
wasnt there a group of ppl hating spacedock a year ago and supporting someone wanting to make anothe rmodding site?
<VITAS>
have to dig for that
<Thomas>
a group?
<VITAS>
but i think he wa spart of that movement
<Thomas>
There were like 5 people
<VITAS>
a group of ppl on the forums
<VITAS>
yes
<Thomas>
I dont think he was
<Thomas>
@group: well, 5 independent people
<VITAS>
anyway. i wonder why he hates me and the site so much
<VITAS>
or is he simply a bitter person who shouldnt be admin?
<Thomas>
<Scolar_Visari> PETA's objections will be moot in the face of Mini Muad'Dib
<Thomas>
Too late :P
<Olympic1>
lol
<VITAS>
i want to give squad a chance to fix this
<Thomas>
WAT
<Thomas>
Now it is back
<Thomas>
What is that
<Thomas>
Did he just hide the whole dammn thread
<VITAS>
your guess is as good as mine
<Olympic1>
well that worked, just let someone ask about it :P
<VITAS>
i think as long as im not becoming a real dick theres no way a mod can purge spacedock from squads sites and products
<Thomas>
and even if yes, screw squad
<VITAS>
<VITAS> did i break them?
<VITAS>
<VITAS> i know my initial remark was a bit sarcastic but i find the reaction a bit extreme and hope that you encurage the individuals who have administrative powers to not use them to force their opinions.
<VITAS>
<Badie> Ok let me check it out with the moders
<VITAS>
<VITAS> thank you
<VITAS>
<VITAS> have a nice day :)
<VITAS>
arg
<VITAS>
didnt want that
<Thomas>
<NixonsRichard> I have not merged, or hidden anything, not sure what the hell is going on, funny the timing though
<VITAS>
my only problem is: he has special rights and his opinion and statements soudn official
<VITAS>
he isnt some random user
<Thomas>
yeah
<VITAS>
i dont belive its squads opinion but others might think different
<VITAS>
because if we dont do spacedocks oemone else will hsot something
<VITAS>
host
<Thomas>
sure he can have his opinions, and if is opinion is that spacedock is junk then sure, but he can't just kick people because they have better arguments
<VITAS>
and theres no reason to badmouth the thing that keeps ksp alive: an active modding scene and a way to get them
<VITAS>
he shouldnt even voice it like he does
<VITAS>
he has to act "professional"
<VITAS>
because his job is to clam everyone down and be neutral
<VITAS>
calm
<Thomas>
Hmm, damm, I should've just posted a link to #5 and said "feel free to make spacedock great again" :P
<Thomas>
VITAS: Didn't you mention that noone except you can have access to those servers at some point?
<Thomas>
Because for the devserver, that would be not-so-good (tm)
<VITAS>
yes i can sandbox this one enough to give you and maybe rocky acc
<VITAS>
point is: DI is costing a lot of money (as mucha s a whole i7 ssd server) and genpage isnt arround anymore to ensure me that hes toping up my credits there
<VITAS>
so i want to move
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<Thomas>
VITAS: then, sure, why not
<VITAS>
ok i see what i can do
<Thomas>
But, would it be possible to make an image of dev, and just put that onto the other server? :D
* Thomas
doesnt wants to reinstall everything *again*
<VITAS>
dont think so
<VITAS>
but it would be possible to install the stuff and then copy the config files
<VITAS>
with minor alterations l9ike ip
<VITAS>
the server is behind a nat and two routers so we will have to change things to get it to the internet/vpn
<Thomas>
ok
<VITAS>
reminds me of having a talk with the uni it if its possible to put the whole rack on the other side of their fw and deny it acc to the uni net (dont need that)
<VITAS>
so i can stop building crappy vpn routing setups
<Thomas>
ah, yes, thats always funny. at my school we have a setup that goes through 3 services, so users can log into a school plattform with their user accounts from the outside :D
<VITAS>
the uni has public ips
<VITAS>
in their lan
<VITAS>
for every machine
<VITAS>
and then they firewall the crap out of it
<Thomas>
heh
<Thomas>
we firewall a lot too, but we dont have public ips :D
<VITAS>
the rack isnt acc from within the uni net and doesnt provide any services to it so it can as well be "in the internet"
<VITAS>
its my problem then if i have any intruders
* VITAS
has statfull firewall and knows how to use it *western high noon look*
* Thomas
has a firewall that just blocks all ports :P
<VITAS>
you could simply unplug the cable then
<VITAS>
night (hopt this time everything keeps working)
<TheKosmonaut>
VITAS: he doesn’t like the site because it frequently breaks down.
<TheKosmonaut>
No offense to you personally, but even in my experience the site is broken most of the time when I go to download from there. At this point I just go to github anyway because I play mostly RO but the times where I have gone to SD it has been broken. Maybe it has just been bad timing, but that timing never was a factor with KS. Again, it is sort of a silly
<TheKosmonaut>
thing to be salty about in general, being a free platform and all.
<TheKosmonaut>
Thomas: the thread thing was unrelated AFAIK
<TheKosmonaut>
There has been a problem with an update that was recently pushed and we are seeing merged threads happen all over the site and nobody is actually touching anything.