ferram4 changed the topic of #RO to: Welcome to the discussion channel for the Realism Overhaul (meta)mod for KSP! Realism Overhaul Main Thread https://goo.gl/wH7Dzb ! RO Spreadsheet http://goo.gl/Oem3g0 ! Code of Conduct http://goo.gl/wOSv2M ! | Maximal & soundnfury's RP-1 Race Into Space Signup: http://bit.ly/2DEVm2i [15:01] <soundnfury> Straight Eight Stronk (and) RP-0/1 is basically "Space Agency Spreadsheet Simulator"
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<Pap> Does anyone know / remember why procedural SRB were removed?
<soundnfury> Pap: I think it was just that we hadn't balanced them for RP-1
<soundnfury> and rather than doing so, the quick fix was to nope them
<soundnfury> (presumably they'd need Tooling support)
<Pap> OK. I just wanted to make sure they were not broken
<Bornholio> I thought they were broke
<Pap> Yeah, I'm guessing a tooling update is necessary
<Pap> I'll try to look through issues and commits to see what /why
<Starwaster> wow, wheels are worse than ever under 1.5, arent they
<Starwaster> my rover is sliding back and forth....... LATERALLY
<Starwaster> literally it's just going side to side over and over
<Starwaster> hmmmm motors are not at the same speed from frame to frame...
<Pap> 1.5 has some issues
<Starwaster> ok wheels are just plain and simple not fun
<Starwaster> mike` yeah, it seems like PEG tries to issue attitude control commands even if it's not engaged.. and if you alraedy launched and are landed on a moon or something, it doesn't want to actually engaged. (even though it's sitting there issuing pitch/yaw commands)
<Starwaster> I had a fix for it but I think Lamont implemented it a little differently or maybe just did his own thing with it. I forget what happened with that
<lamont> i fixed it in PVG, it was just some coordination bugs between all the modules involved in launching
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<1NVAABUK4> [RP-0] pap1723 closed pull request #917: Let Sounding Rocket (Altitude) reach its maximum (Developmental...patch-1) https://git.io/fpoX9
<github> [RP-0] pap1723 pushed 1 new commit to Developmental: https://git.io/fpKky
<github> RP-0/Developmental 8c85dad lpgagnon: Let Sounding Rocket (Altitude) reach its maximum (#917)...
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<github> [RP-0] pap1723 pushed 2 new commits to Developmental: https://git.io/fpKkQ
<github> RP-0/Developmental 9e1c146 Dan Paplaczyk: Fixed RN E7 Engine Typo...
<github> RP-0/Developmental 3a46171 Dan Paplaczyk: Merge branch 'Developmental' of https://github.com/KSP-RO/RP-0 into Developmental
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<Mike`> Starwaster, it works with the workaround though, and you can always really disable it with a "force enable/force disable" cycle. I've used PEG for an ascent from the moon :)
<github> [RP-0] pap1723 pushed 1 new commit to Developmental: https://git.io/fpKL7
<github> RP-0/Developmental f003f9f Dan Paplaczyk: Raised SRB Rollout Impact from 1.1 to 2.2...
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<github> [RP-0] pap1723 pushed 1 new commit to Developmental: https://git.io/fpKtU
<github> RP-0/Developmental 76a303a Dan Paplaczyk: Tech Tree and ECM Updated...
<github> [RP-0] pap1723 pushed 1 new commit to Developmental: https://git.io/fpKtT
<github> RP-0/Developmental d31d2e5 Dan Paplaczyk: Remove Crew Science...
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<Starwaster> mike` oh so have I, but I had to start an ascent with classic mode then switch over just after take off. (good thing about lunar size/mass is that it needs very little pitch program and can switch over to PEG guidance almost immediately)
<Mike`> well, i didnt have to do that, did a normal peg ascent. It should work if you hit force enable and force disable
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<Bornholio> i do smart ass to do an 8deg pitch until 12k AP then turn on LAG/peg for my launch into plane, tap it once before hand with autowarp to get a time. if its a normal ascent (no rend) then i just fly a curve myself, skimming hills
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<Bornholio> pap would it be difficult in any way to make all "orphan" parts go to a phantom node. That way i can add the node to my game and then have access for dev on those parts
<Pap> Bornholio, it would require a MM patch that runs very very last and takes every part that has TechRequired == CTT or Stock node
<Pap> And then to create the actual node in the tree (isn't isn't that difficult)
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<Bornholio> okay so the spreadsheet does nothing to patch those parts>
<Bornholio> ?
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<KevinStarwaster> think about that last part.... :D
<Bornholio> poop
<Bornholio> and here i thought we were going to have to wait for crew dragon for dragon poo
<Bornholio> and bummer i won't get to see smallsat express live
<Pap> Correct Bornholio the spreadsheet just doesn't process them at all
<Pap> For the RP-1 Netkan, should we release as Version 1.0 ????
<Pap> Or call it RP-1 Version 1.3.1 so it is in line with the KSP version #
<Bornholio> I think 1.3.1.0
<soundnfury> ^
<Pap> That was my thought as well
<Pap> Has anyone had a chance to test since last night?
<Bornholio> loading it right now
<Pap> It should all be good now, but I wanted someone else to check before I merge everything with Master
<Bornholio> making a fresh 1.3.1 install right now
<github> [RP-0] pap1723 pushed 1 new commit to Developmental: https://git.io/fpKRp
<github> RP-0/Developmental cab0476 Dan Paplaczyk: Updated NetKan and Version Files...
<github> [RP-0] Standecco opened pull request #920: Add Cassini-Huygens cost and entry cost (Developmental...Developmental) https://git.io/fpKRj
<Pap> How can I test if a .NetKan will work and install what I want before uploading to CKAN?
<github> [RP-0] pap1723 pushed 1 new commit to Developmental: https://git.io/fpK0k
<github> RP-0/Developmental 1a46635 Dan Paplaczyk: Working on Decoding and Documenting KCT Formulas
<Bornholio> oh my gawd, kerbal renamer never had a 1.3x version???
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<KevinStarwaster> Very disappointed that putting a guy next to the engine nozzle running at full thrust doesn't end up with him getting BBQed even if he's not right under it
<KevinStarwaster> Or that putting him UNDER the (19 ton) lander and retracting the landing gear doesn't end up with him getting squelched
<KevinStarwaster> dear GOD is this what I'm reduced to? Gleefully trying to murder little green people???
<Bornholio> you and every other kerbal murderer, err owner of KSP
<KevinStarwaster> right, sorry, just had a momentary lapse of insanity. I'm crazy again now, thanks.
<KevinStarwaster> wish there was a way to visualize ladder colliders... having a devil of a time lining up two dissimilar ladders at a 45 deg angle to each other.
<Pap> Bornholio: it did not
<Bornholio> pap looks good so far dupes went away
<Pap> Excellent, that is what my tests showed as well
<Pap> Can you look at the new netkan to make sure it looks good?
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<Bornholio> { "name" : "TextureReplacer" }, vs { "name" : "TextureReplacerReplaced" },
<Pap> TR doesn't have a 1.3.1 version, it was taken over by the guru
<Bornholio> yup, however TR is 1.5x :/
<Bornholio> looks good otherwise
<Bornholio> ready for me to close the RP-1 netkan PR?
<Bornholio> or squish it yourself if ya want
<Pap> You can close if able
<github> [RP-0] Bornholio closed pull request #867: Update and rename RP-0.netkan to RP-1.netkan (Developmental...patch-3) https://git.io/vxQcA
<Pap> There is a 1.3.1 marked as beta for Kerbal Renamer, how do we get that to CKAN as the proper version to download?
<soundnfury> could try just sending a PR to CKAN-meta
<KevinStarwaster> oh GOD this ladder placement is kicking my ass
<KevinStarwaster> seriously getting pissed off here... liquided off... JARATEED off....
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<github> [RP-0] lipo842 opened pull request #921: Update RP0_KCTPresets.cfg (Developmental...patch-1) https://git.io/fpKgs
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<github> [RP-0] pap1723 pushed 1 new commit to Developmental: https://git.io/fpK2b
<github> RP-0/Developmental c724885 Dan Paplaczyk: Adjust the SRB Formula for cheaper Roll Out...
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<KevinStarwaster> 2 HOURS and I still can't get these two ladders to work together
<KevinStarwaster> need MOAR goddamn ladders MOAR
<KevinStarwaster> I know ladders in general just suck but I can't shake the feeling that somewhere out there is better, MODDED, ladders that help me out here...
<KevinStarwaster> can't believe it's been over 5 years and we still have sucky ladder implementation
<Bornholio> how about the handrails
<KevinStarwaster> not applicable here
<KevinStarwaster> I need an angled ladder traversing the landing leg (like the LM)
<Bornholio> how about the single rungs in KW
<KevinStarwaster> and it needs to be extendible with the gear
<Bornholio> to make a transition anyway
<KevinStarwaster> uh one rung isn't going to cut it
<Bornholio> i've set up a corner transition using three singles
<KevinStarwaster> I'm trying to go the length of one heavy duty leg (the stock ones)
<Bornholio> your bud rover dude has extendable platfom w/ladder
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<KevinStarwaster> it probably has overheating problems
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<github> [RP-0] siimav opened pull request #922: Fix procedural avionics getting stuck in an infinite update loop (Developmental...ProcAvionicsFix) https://git.io/fpK6S