ferram4 changed the topic of #RO to: Welcome to the discussion channel for the Realism Overhaul (meta)mod for KSP! Realism Overhaul Main Thread https://goo.gl/wH7Dzb ! RO Spreadsheet http://goo.gl/Oem3g0 ! Code of Conduct http://goo.gl/wOSv2M ! | Maximal & soundnfury's RP-1 Race Into Space Signup: http://bit.ly/2DEVm2i [15:01] <soundnfury> Straight Eight Stronk (and) RP-0/1 is basically "Space Agency Spreadsheet Simulator"
<Starwaster> Oh soundnfury.... I expected better of you :(
<soundnfury> I expected better of the J-2T :P
<soundnfury> I mean how the fsck are you supposed to use a centreline engine with no gimbal?
<soundnfury> it's not like there are any handy hydrolox verniers around to use...
<Pap> Do we know it wasn't supposed to have gimbal, or was it a guess by someone?
<soundnfury> I imagine it's probably just the result of a copy from the stock aerospike part
<soundnfury> but I'll check the .cfg, see if there's any note
<soundnfury> yup the .cfg tries to add gimbal 7°
<soundnfury> but it's an @ so if the base part doesn't have it we don't get it
<Pap> Nice simple percentage sign fix!
<soundnfury> well, not _completely_ simple...
<soundnfury> I think I have to add "%gimbalTransformName = thrustTransform" as well?
<soundnfury> that's better, works now
* soundnfury will submit fix shortly
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<github> [RealismOverhaul] ec429 opened pull request #1951: Fix MM patch for J-2T gimbal (master...j2t) https://git.io/fp9vj
<github> [RealismOverhaul] pap1723 closed pull request #1951: Fix MM patch for J-2T gimbal (master...j2t) https://git.io/fp9vj
<github> [RealismOverhaul] pap1723 closed pull request #1948: Fix RD-108 Default Configuration (master...rd108) https://git.io/fpo7t
<soundnfury> \o/
<soundnfury> ty
<Pap> no, ty!!
<github> [RP-0] pap1723 closed pull request #926: Tell the player Lunar Rover can be done 3 times (master...patch-2) https://git.io/fp14E
<github> [RP-0] pap1723 pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/fp9fM
<github> RP-0/master 1622640 lpgagnon: Tell the player Lunar Rover can be done 3 times (#926)...
<soundnfury> I guess there is also the question of why the J-2T costs more than the HG-3, but that's another matter entirely.
<soundnfury> (the J-2T-250K upgrade costs 4,300, which is getting near RS-25 territory, whereas the HG-3 costs 3,175 and the J-2S is a mere 1,500)
<Pap> My guess is because the design is revolutionary and isn't it what lead to the development of the RS-25?
<github> [RP-0] pap1723 pushed 1 new commit to Developmental: https://git.io/fp9Uq
<github> RP-0/Developmental ab5d16d Dan Paplaczyk: Add New SSTU Tanks (For Tooling)...
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<soundnfury> Pap: The HG-3 led to the RS-25. Thus it's reasonable that HG-3 costs more than J-2S.
<Pap> Ah, ok, I had my engines backwards
<soundnfury> But the J-2T is just an aerospike whammed on the end of a J-2S
<soundnfury> yet somehow costs more than twice as much as a straight J-2S
<Pap> That needs to be fixed a little bit I would say
<Pap> Are you playing RP-1?
<soundnfury> yes
<soundnfury> albeit a slightly old install, it's possible it's already been fixed...
<soundnfury> that's odd, I can't find the J-2T at all in TREE-Parts.cfg
<Pap> Is it a part or just an upgrade to the J-2 engine?
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<soundnfury> it's its own part
<soundnfury> found it: @PART[toroidalAerospike]
<Pap> ahh, the stock one
<soundnfury> %cost = 3300
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<Pap> That means it has not been costed properly in a long time
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<soundnfury> Indeed.
<soundnfury> I guess it's hard to find reliable prices for an engine that never flew.
<soundnfury> *yawn*
* soundnfury -> bed, nn Pap/all
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<github> RP-0/Developmental 87165aa Dan Paplaczyk: Fix the Descriptions of the Tooled Parts...
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<github> [RP-0] pap1723 pushed 1 new commit to Developmental: https://git.io/fp9kW
<github> RP-0/Developmental 27e58e0 Dan Paplaczyk: Update ResourceTechs.cfg...
<github> [RP-0] pap1723 pushed 1 new commit to Developmental: https://git.io/fp9kw
<github> RP-0/Developmental f85131d Dan Paplaczyk: SSTU Tank Parts Actually Working...
<github> [RP-0] pap1723 pushed 1 new commit to Developmental: https://git.io/fp9k7
<github> RP-0/Developmental 4ee4b05 Dan Paplaczyk: Work on Documentation...
<github> [RP-0] pap1723 pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/fp9kb
<github> RP-0/master 548e4ac Dan Paplaczyk: Merge branch 'Developmental'
<github> [RP-0] pap1723 tagged v1.00 at 5d4a42f: https://git.io/fp9kp
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<Pap> New Forum post will be done sometime tomorrow.
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<github> RP-0/master ae851bd Dan Paplaczyk: Small Cleanup
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<egg> Pap: still waiting on ferram4_ for 1.4 or 1.5 support on the RO side?
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<Pap> egg: I believe there is an unofficial fork for 1.5 that is where we will trying to go next
<egg> Pap: ok
<egg> ;seen ferram3
<egg> um
<egg> ah not kmath here
<egg> Pap: btw, the latest version of Principia has eggstended geopotential models
<egg> (for earth only for now, but we'll add the moon soon: mascons!)
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<Pap> Egg you guys are rough! Mascons are tough enough for NASA to deal with!
<egg> hehe
<soundnfury> Pap: if we're doing a release should we get my RO tacverters merged, since that's potentially save-breaking?
<Pap> Egg does that mean that there is orbital decay? Or is that still something for later?
<Pap> soundnfury: I am unfamiliar with this...
<soundnfury> #1934
<Pap> I don't know when they are planning on actually releasing
<Pap> Yeah I did see that one. Apparently no one tested it. Great. Looks like something we HAVE to do
<soundnfury> I mean, I did give it a _bit_ of testing
<soundnfury> checked that the right numbers showed in the VAB, just didn't fly anything
<soundnfury> I'm sufficiently confident in it that I think it could just be merged
<egg> Pap: no atmospheric effects yet
<egg> Pap: just fancy gravity
<Pap> I wish humans understood gravity
<Pap> Soundnfury I'll roll it in
<soundnfury> \o/ ty
<Pap> I believe understanding gravity is the most important step to unlocking the future
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<github> [RP-0] DrRaphello opened pull request #932: Fix CKAN identifiers for RCSBuildAid and HangarExtender (master...master) https://git.io/fp9c6
<soundnfury> Pap: running a test just to make sure
<github> [RP-0] pap1723 pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/fp9C9
<github> RP-0/master 2b4ba45 Dan Paplaczyk: Move SSTU Tank Diameter Upgrades from RO...
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<soundnfury> Pap: tested it, seems to work. Mass is apparently conserved :)
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<Bornholio> pap i normally don't play with SSTU, like it on its own but had problems more often than not in RP
<Pap> ok Bornholio I was going to look for some feedback on SSTU tooling, but it is working well
<Pap> soundnfury: Einstein will be happy
<Bornholio> skipping 1.4 seems wasteful , just compile against it, release then skip
<Bornholio> lots of things not released in 1.5 yet also
<Pap> Bornholio: all the dependencies are good for 1.4?
<Pap> Other than TestFlight which I will have to do?
<github> [RealismOverhaul] pap1723 closed pull request #1934: CO₂ scrubbers (master...tacverters) https://git.io/fxREF
<Bornholio> I have alsomost everything in CKAN with a simple 1.4(just using drop in dlls for rp, ro and test flight it hink
<Pap> ok, will check
<Pap> ah, actually won't be that easy yet
<Pap> I have to re-write the SSTU Tooling code for the version advance
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<Bornholio> spammed the thread with this pretty patch https://github.com/KSP-RO/RP-0/raw/master/Source/RP-1%20Logo.png
<Bornholio> lol still need to update the ksp forum thread link in readme
<github> [RP-0] Bornholio opened pull request #933: dead link (master...patch-1) https://git.io/fp9R4
<Bornholio> pap reminder '60 dollars or '65 dollars
<Pap> 65
<github> [RP-0] pap1723 pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/fp9zA
<github> RP-0/master 0ddf8d5 Pap: Update RP-0.netkan...
<soundnfury> Bornholio: millitorr! :)
<Starwaster> bornholio it sucks. It's afraid of water so it's not going to be much use
<Starwaster> :{
<Starwaster> :P
<Bornholio> not says the oil and gass industry though
<soundnfury> Bornholio: one of these days I will get around to flying nukes in RO
<Bornholio> of course i'm more interested as part of a whole approach for LH2, glass microsphere insullation is the up and commer right now from the other nasa stuff i've read
<Bornholio> soundnfury: yes. you could really use that moon shuttle
<Starwaster> wow, moar fucken delta-v love in 1.6 after vigorously resisting and whining and whinging and moaning and gnashing of teeth any time someone suggests it
<Starwaster> I mean, they didn't say maybe, or we'll think about it, I mean they were just adamant that it was not going to happen
<Starwaster> AMIRITE OR AMIRITE OR AMIRITE????
<Starwaster> especially Sal Vager
<soundnfury> Bornholio: but boil-off is a pain, so I'll need to install radiator mods first
<Bornholio> need hot H2 RCS for my NTR rockets, nasa is finally publishing using it after 50's years of the Rover guys suggesting it.
<soundnfury> speaking of which, how about adding hydrolox, methalox and kerperox RCSes?
<Bornholio> I want the electric RCS systems too :P
<github> [RP-0] pap1723 pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/fp9Vi
<github> RP-0/master c24c4a8 Bornholio: dead link (#933)...
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<github> [RealismOverhaul] PhineasFreak opened pull request #1953: [Maintenance] J-2T gimbal module (master...RO-J2-T-Gimbal-Fix) https://git.io/fp9rm
<github> [RealismOverhaul] pap1723 pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/fp9rR
<github> RealismOverhaul/master 639c0c8 Phineas Freak: Fix the J-2T gimbal module (#1953)
<github> [RealismOverhaul] pap1723 closed pull request #1953: [Maintenance] J-2T gimbal module (master...RO-J2-T-Gimbal-Fix) https://git.io/fp9rm
<github> [RP-0] siimav opened pull request #934: Tweak RP-1 UI to make better use of empty space (Developmental...UITweaks) https://git.io/fp9rr
<Bornholio> pap should i continue dead/closed calling issues? also whats the best way to edit thepart spreadsheet?
<Pap> Bornholio: you do not have to unless you want to
<Pap> As I have time, I am going to be going through that to clean out all old stuff (most of it)
<Pap> or at least reference it to something newer
<Bornholio> really should clear house before going forward. hard to seperate the real issues from chaff
<Pap> Right now, the part spreadsheet is not active, there is no "good" way to have it handled
<Bornholio> so thanks once again
<Pap> Hopefully the new system will be in place soon
<Pap> I agree, I don't know why those were left open for so long
<Pap> I have been adding stuff to the actual files and I have started to keep notes, I think we should have a running issue of parts that need to be added to the JSON / Database before final migration
<Pap> I will add them all myself
<github> [RealismOverhaul] pap1723 pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/fp9oI
<github> RealismOverhaul/master 3b71676 Dan Paplaczyk: Merge branch 'master' of https://github.com/KSP-RO/RealismOverhaul
<github> RealismOverhaul/master fa07e29 Dan Paplaczyk: Update SSTU_Tanks_PartUpgrades.cfg...
<github> [RP-0] pap1723 pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/fp9oq
<github> RP-0/master 79468e0 Dan Paplaczyk: Update CustomBarnKit.cfg...
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<Bornholio> https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/179281-15x-tiltem-planetary-axial-tilt-v100-25-oct-2018/&tab=comments#comment-3475218