egg|nomz|egg changed the topic of #kspacademia to: https://gist.github.com/pdn4kd/164b9b85435d87afbec0c3a7e69d3e6d | Dogs are cats. Spiders are cat interferometers. | Космизм сегодня! | Document well, for tomorrow you may get mauled by a ネコバス. | <UmbralRaptor> egg|nomz|egg: generally if your eyes are dewing over, that's not the weather. | <ferram4> I shall beat my problems to death with an engineer.
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<kmath> <trek> Well, you did it: made it to another Friday without anyone noticing that you're a fraud 👏.
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<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn UmbralRaptop
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<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn whitequark
* Qboid gives whitequark a logarithmic parabolol
<egg|zzz|egg> parabolol??
<egg|zzz|egg> !u ᾌ
<Qboid> U+0391 GREEK CAPITAL LETTER ALPHA (Α)
<Qboid> U+0313 COMBINING COMMA ABOVE (◌̓)
<Qboid> U+0301 COMBINING ACUTE ACCENT (◌́)
<Qboid> U+0345 COMBINING GREEK YPOGEGRAMMENI (◌ͅ)
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<kmath> <xzqx> For @volatile_void mostly https://t.co/RYRFaVic17
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<egg|zzz|egg> "Year in which the irrigation ditch of the canal 'Imgur-Sin / beloved of Sin' was dug"
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<bofh> egg|zzz|egg: best era name
<egg|zzz|egg> bofh: I think the term is year name?
<egg|zzz|egg> bofh: also under the following king, Year the canal (called) 'Imgur-Inanna-Zabalam / Szega-Inanna-Zabalam / favourite of the Inanna of Zabalam' was dug https://cdli.ucla.edu/tools/yearnames/HTML/T10K2.htm
<egg|zzz|egg> bofh: and then under Rim-Sin, Year in which (Rim-Sin) seized the great fortification 'Imgur-Gibil / beloved of Gibil' and the city of Zibnatum with the help of the mighty weapon entrusted to him by Enlil
<bofh> Oh, so Imgur is "beloved"? Huh.
<egg|zzz|egg> bofh: 1. year Ted Strickland became governor. 2. Year one cubit and one foot of snow fell in Madison. 3. Year in which the site Imgur SA.A (the beloved of cats) was founded.
<bofh> rofl
<bofh> "beloved of cats" accurate
<egg|zzz|egg> bofh: (have no idea what actually happens in Ohio, so I picked the blizzard for the second year, there might be something more appropriate)
<egg|zzz|egg> !u 𒅎𒄥𒊓𒀀
<Qboid> U+1214E CUNEIFORM SIGN IM (𒅎)
<Qboid> U+12125 CUNEIFORM SIGN GUR (𒄥)
<Qboid> U+12293 CUNEIFORM SIGN SA (𒊓)
<Qboid> U+12000 CUNEIFORM SIGN A (𒀀)
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<egg|zzz|egg> bofh: did Ted Strickland bring a copper statue into a temple or something like that in 2008
<bofh> egg|zzz|egg: idk who Ted Strickland *is*, lol
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<egg|zzz|egg> bofh: the governor of ohio when imgur was founded apparently :-p
<egg|zzz|egg> (it was founded in ohio hence the attempt at an ohio year names list)
<bofh> ahhhhhh.
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<egg|z|egg> meow
<egg|z|egg> !wpn whitequark
* Qboid gives whitequark a scandium flap
<egg|z|egg> is it a catflap
<bofh> egg|z|egg: I wonder what "cats" is in Akkadian
<bofh> oh right they *did* domesticate themselves in Mesopotamia/the near East.
<bofh> yeah, that'd be the correct form if I'm reading my Huegenard correctly
<egg|z|egg> bofh: oh you have an akkadian grammar at hand?
<egg|z|egg> this channel is fun :-p
<kmath> <bofh453> <@eggleroy> help I accidentally learned sumero-akkadian cuneiform
<egg|z|egg> bofh: how does declension work when using sumerograms?
<egg|z|egg> do you add the inflection after the sumerogram?
<bofh> I'm... not sure.
<bofh> sec let me just link you the grammar :P
<bofh> that being said I don't think it goes into Sumerograms (goes into bloody everything else, $&#^$@$%%#%^#^$%-ing weak stem verbs)
<bofh> (also the Five Alephs)
<kmath> <drhingram> The world’s oldest eye roll. The cuneiform reads “As long as he does not abandon boastful speech, the words will ma… https://t.co/JizW5wyWv6
<egg|z|egg> p. 20 and following have something on sumerograms in that Gelb thing
<bofh> applied after, I presume?
<bofh> (why are we using a Sumerogram here anyhow?)
<egg|z|egg> "Logograms can occur alone, or with partial phonetic indicators. Of the two types of phonetic indicators, one giving only the ending, the other repeating fully the last syllable, the second is by far the more common"
<egg|z|egg> so SA.A-ni I guess?
<bofh> hm
<egg|z|egg> !wpn -add:adj Gudermannian
<Qboid> egg|z|egg: Adjective added!
<egg|z|egg> or should it be a wpn
* UmbralRaptop is mildly surprised that Sumerian doesn't call cats meows.
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<egg|z|egg> !u
<Qboid> What code point do you want me to look up?
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<egg|z|egg> !wpn bofh
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<bofh> !wpn egg|zzz|egg
* Qboid gives egg|zzz|egg a nominal hadron
<bofh> !wpn egg|z|egg
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<bofh> coherent hummingbirds?
<bofh> egg|z|egg: http://nazr.in/11in have a copy of Huegenard
<kmath> <G_T_Meme> y'all https://t.co/QKv77KyB6v
<bofh> (also yes there's a link shortener called nazr.in, b/c *of course* there is)
<bofh> egg|z|egg: those two are both valid pants decompositions on a genus 2 surface, correct?
<egg|z|egg> bofh: yes
<kmath> <G_T_Meme> https://t.co/gVS9n1FPyT
<egg|z|egg> bofh: also blarg that site insists on creating a profile for me when I download something
<bofh> egg|z|egg: sec let me just grab it and put it somewhere
<egg|z|egg> already downloaded it, it's fine
<egg|z|egg> bofh: ... ethiopian languages? wat https://independent.academia.edu/LeroyRobin
<bofh> egg|z|egg: I mean mine makes about as much sense
<bofh> (actually mine seems to be mostly near-east languages which kinda makes sense)
<egg|z|egg> bofh: so that book doesn't use the word sumerogram but it sure does talk about logograms
<bofh> Ugh, sec.
<bofh> also what the fuck, I poked the PDF to see why it's so damn huge and it seems CarlisleRoman & CarlisleItalic are embedded in it like 250x each
<egg|z|egg> "The sign MESZ, which means ‘they are’ in Sumerian, may be written after logograms to express plurality"
<egg|z|egg> "Also common as a mark of plurality after logograms is HI.A"
<egg|z|egg> "Still another means of expressing plurality is the repetition of a logogram"
<bofh> Welcome to Sumerograms. Consistency? lmao.
<egg|z|egg> at least it's Akkadian, not Hittite, so you don't get the same over again with Akkadograms :D
<egg|z|egg> by the way, do you happen to have the chicago hittite dictionary? I can find volume P online but not the rest
<bofh> Hittite? Nope, I don't even have that much.
<bofh> I have the Chicago Akkadian dictionary (or most of it, at least) somewhere tho.
<egg|z|egg> I did find Hoffner's 1967 English-Hittite dictionary so I've got that going for me, which is nice
<bofh> I still need to borrow that copy of Trade in the Near East that you found
<bofh> (and, ideally, scan it carefully)
<egg|z|egg> oh yeah I should go to the zentralbibliothek one of these days
<egg|z|egg> with a quill and rolls of parchment
<egg|z|egg> (or just with a stylus and some clay I guess)
<bofh> not a chunk of soft clay & a st--yeah
<kmath> <hpgross> @bofh453 @eggleroy Is this Josh's fault?
<bofh> @Zaikarion
<egg|z|egg> hah
<egg|z|egg> bofh: as for writing a custom IME, it seems this could be a starting point https://github.com/Microsoft/Windows-classic-samples/tree/master/Samples/IME/cpp/SampleIME
<bofh> egg|z|egg: also on the difficulties of translation: https://twitter.com/bofh453/status/1008168789651918849
<kmath> <bofh453> @psi_organa And the one I want to annotate: https://t.co/auAzf4lsBD (also possibly translate a few things a bit dif… https://t.co/kSAXnyg6it
<bofh> egg|z|egg: oh convenient, bookmarked.
<kmath> <azonenberg> Writing an FPGA IP core roughly analogous to std::unordered_set. This will be fun...
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<mlbaker> bofh_: lmao
<mlbaker> better start reading hartshorne again before i'm no longer considered human...
<mlbaker> 12:56 <@bofh> also what the fuck, I poked the PDF to see why it's so damn huge and it seems CarlisleRoman & CarlisleItalic are embedded in it like
<mlbaker> 250x each
<mlbaker> rofl fuck
<bofh> there are some *mind-bogglingly terrible* PDF compilers out there, apparently this is one of them. actually, wtf generated this...
<bofh> WTF the /Info object *INDIRECTS* /Creator thru a fucking object
<bofh> 32102 0 obj
<bofh> (Mac OS X 10.10.3 Quartz PDFContext)
<bofh> oh, of course.
<bofh> endobj
<bofh> I'm kinda unsurprised, Quartz PDFContext is kind of, erm, ""special"".
<kmath> <chordbug> 💛 know-it-all 💛 https://t.co/grGIWIoWHT
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<APlayer> Hi! Quick question to Ellied: I have a 5v regulated power supply and a device that is only 3v or so tolerant (nRF24L01+ radio). Is it fine to drop the 5v with diodes? Will the supply be stable enough?
<bofh> Oh, as in the power rail? Yeah that's perfectly fine (particularly if it's a low-current device). I'd use a 3.3V Zener instead of a ton of 1N4184s personally, but either'll work.
<egg|z|egg> meow
<bofh> !meow egg|z|egg
<egg|z|egg> !wpn whitequark
* Qboid meows at egg|z|egg
* Qboid gives whitequark a Tillinghast combinator
<egg|z|egg> !wpn bofh
* Qboid gives bofh a TeX Y combinator
<egg|z|egg> !wpn -add:wpn akkadogram
<Qboid> egg|z|egg: Weapon added!
<egg|z|egg> !wpn -add:wpn sumerogram
<Qboid> egg|z|egg: Weapon added!
<egg|z|egg> !wpn -add:wpn logogram
<Qboid> egg|z|egg: Weapon added!
<APlayer> I don't have specific parts to choose from, more like a box with old used perfboards from which I can scavenge components. I'd just find one or two that drop about 2 v in total, and no idea what sort of diodes that will be.
<bofh> also I think a Gudermannian would be a wpn, not an adjective.
<bofh> APlayer: an Si diode drops about 0.6V b/c 0.3V is approximately the standard doped Si bandgap and it's a PN junction.
<bofh> APlayer: an alternative is a red LED, those usually drop 1.85V
<APlayer> The light would be unwanted and distracting, I fear.
<egg|z|egg> !wpn -add:wpn Gudermannian
<Qboid> egg|z|egg: Weapon added!
<egg|z|egg> bofh: you can now have a Gudermannian Gudermannian
<UmbralRaptop> !wpn egg|z|egg, bofh, APlayer, and Ellied
* Qboid gives egg|z|egg, bofh, APlayer, and Ellied an imploding mission
<bofh> !wa h*c/(660nm) in eV
<Qboid> bofh: convert (h c (Planck constant-speed of light product))/(660 nm (nanometers)) to electronvolts: 1.878548 eV (electronvolts)
<bofh> Yeah, 1.85 - 1.9V.
<APlayer> bofh: So you say the diode will not distort the voltage with varying load? I may just add it in series with the device and attach it to the 5v power rail? I need to be sure, because the radios don't like fluctuations in the supply voltage
<APlayer> !wpn UmbralRaptop
* Qboid gives UmbralRaptop a Eulerian heat sink
<bofh> A diode's voltage drop is a function of its bandgap width, which does not change after manufacture.
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<APlayer> Alright, that's good to know. Thank you very much! :-)
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<bofh> UmbralRaptop: okay, touché
<APlayer> Now on to find appropriate diodes.
<bofh> over a 60degC temperature range it's *approximately* constant :P
<APlayer> Preferably neither light emitting nor light consuming.
<bofh> a photodiode won't work, I'm fairly certain.
<UmbralRaptop> More seriously, can this be a problem outside? (250-315 K may be possible)
<UmbralRaptop> Okay, 60 ˚C should cover it.
<bofh> Like there will be some fluctuation but it'll be over the range of tens of mV
<bofh> like green->yellow is only about 0.22eV difference (and that's using 532nm & 587nm, the former which is I think bluer than that video and the latter redder)
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<bofh> https://twitter.com/UIchemSEM/status/1007642827772366849 I've never seen something more accurate in my life.
<kmath> <UIchemSEM> #TheMoreYouKnow https://t.co/pEzCPW1J5i
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<egg|z|egg> !seen whitequark
<Qboid> egg|z|egg: I last saw whitequark on [15.06.2018 04:01:47] in #kspacademia saying: "same reason han unification happened"
<egg|z|egg> meow
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<UmbralRaptop> Ubuntu: why is pip3 named python3-pip?
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<SnoopJeDi> to distinguish it from python-pip 😬
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<UmbralRaptor> 😬 indeed
* UmbralRaptor wonders if something changed between Python 3.4 and 3.5, or if current problems are related to astropy 0.3 o_O
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<UmbralRaptor> Also, blobmoji best moji.
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<SnoopJeDi> UmbralRaptor, one hopes that *something* changed between 3.4 and 3.5 :P
* UmbralRaptor eyes Linux 2.6.39 vs 3.0, and 3.19 vs 4.0
<SnoopJeDi> python-dev is a much more sensible place than kernel land, thankfully
<UmbralRaptor> yay
<SnoopJeDi> although...apparently Guido and Tim Peters both like this assignment expr nonsense...
<SnoopJeDi> `[(x, y, x/y) for x in input_data if (y := f(x)) > 0]` and the like
<UmbralRaptor> := ?
<kmath> <worddroppings> Poor boy has to use books for pillows. Because… https://t.co/Zu0QeG30Rv
<SnoopJeDi> UmbralRaptor, yea so for example when using the `re` module, you often write something like `m = re.match(...); if m: # do match case else: # no match` and that first line is just a little bit of a bother since you might be tempted to write `if re.match(...):` in the conditional itself
<SnoopJeDi> but if you do so, there's no reference to the object so you'd have to call it again. the assignment expr cuts the difference in half, you'd write `if m := re.match(...): # match logic else: # no-match`
<UmbralRaptor> hrm
<egg|z|egg> !u 𒆏𒌅
<Qboid> U+1218F CUNEIFORM SIGN KAB (𒆏)
<Qboid> U+12305 CUNEIFORM SIGN TU (𒌅)
<egg|z|egg> !u 𒁕𒀸𒋗
<Qboid> U+12055 CUNEIFORM SIGN DA (𒁕)
<Qboid> U+12038 CUNEIFORM SIGN ASH (𒀸)
<Qboid> U+122D7 CUNEIFORM SIGN SHU (𒋗)
<egg|z|egg> !u 𒂂
<Qboid> U+12082 CUNEIFORM SIGN DUGUD (𒂂)
<kmath> <aemkei> Hery is a tiny slot machine in https://t.co/Um3F7qAYJG in 119 bytes of JavaScript: ⏎ ⏎ c.width=500;x.font='9em"'for(i=… https://t.co/FLssE6dgoK
<bofh> egg|z|egg: ?
<egg|z|egg> bofh: Akkadogram, Hittite syllabary, and Sumerogram for the same word
<egg|z|egg> "heavy"
<bofh> why are you doing Hittite anyhow? :P
<bofh> https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Sumerian/List huh, this *might* be useful in the future.
<iximeow> !wpn egg
* Qboid gives egg a Zener motor
* iximeow meows
<egg|z|egg> bofh: if you don't know http://home.zcu.cz/~ksaskova/Sign_List.html bookmark it
<UmbralRaptor> !pet iximeow
* Qboid pets iximeow
<egg|z|egg> bofh: I'm tempted to use it on the RFC as an example of "if people using unicameral scripts need multiple writing style where Latin uses case conventions they will find it"
<bofh> egg|z|egg: so I already have that bookmarked and use it a lot
<egg|z|egg> :D
<bofh> egg|z|egg: also okay that's a legit good use :P
<kmath> <importantshock> Shout out to the dude who did us all the service of rendering the second track on Aphex Twin's Windowlicker single… https://t.co/KRMkW1dwtM
<mlbaker> lmao.
<mlbaker> classic mathoverflow
<bofh> I mean it looks like some sort of 2d FIR filter where the kernel is some sort of sparse matrix?
<bofh> but I'm not sure it has a proper def'n.
<bofh> also yeah that's classic mathoverflow
<egg|z|egg> bofh: tbh you'd just use determinatives in the cuneiform logosyllabic languages
<egg|z|egg> "determinative for function"
<bofh> egg|z|egg: I misread that as determinants and was *extremely* confused for a second.
<bofh> ...*did* the ancient Sumerians have a notion of a determinant?
<egg|z|egg> determinative for determinant,
<egg|z|egg> (tbh that sounds more like the overly specific determinatives of egyptian)
<egg|z|egg> "determinative for cat"
<egg|z|egg> (aka picture of a cat)
<iximeow> !pet UmbralRaptor
* Qboid pets UmbralRaptor
* UmbralRaptor purrs.
<UmbralRaptor> egg|z|egg: alternatively, "why is this matrix meowing?"
<egg|z|egg> bofh: having gone through "the great unsolved math problem of how to romanize Pafnuty Chebyshev's name", "Is U+1F98B BUTTERFLY (🦋) an identifier?", and "smol_snake_case", that RFC now has Hittite cuneiform in it; truly the greatest thread in the history of RFCs
<bofh> egg|z|egg: I applaud you as strongly as I possibly can, that's amazing.
<Qboid> [#2457] title: Allow non-ASCII identifiers | Allow non-ASCII letters (such as accented characters, Cyrillic, Greek, Kanji, etc.) in Rust identifiers.... | https://github.com/rust-lang/rfcs/issues/2457
<mlbaker> bofh_: I remember wxfan listing like 11 different romanizations of Chebyshev in a facebook status update
<egg|z|egg> mlbaker: that is not a lot
<kmath> <eggleroy> (T(s?j|[xšr])|(Ts?c|C)h|Č|Ç|C[sz]?)[eê]b[îiıyư](s[jz]|sch?|[sc]h|[šșşsx])[ëéeo](ff?|[vwp]) ⏎ ⏎ Consistency: there is a… https://t.co/aR9v3paUYM
<mlbaker> lmao.
<egg|z|egg> bofh: pretty sure the next thing that happens is that Muršili II rises from the dead and posts in the RFC, spawning another 100 comments of heated debate
<mlbaker> i see. combinatorial explosion.
<bofh> egg|z|egg: ROFL
<bofh> mlbaker: there are some weird romanizations out there. Bunyakovskii is another fun one.
<egg|z|egg> mlbaker: okay it's not really explosive, because if you write the Ч Tr, it's the vi transliteration and it will be Trê-bư-sép, but still that's an impressive amount of alternatives for every letter but the b
<UmbralRaptor> bofh: Chwolson, also.
<bofh> UmbralRaptor: now, see, I'd romanize that as Khvol'son, thus prolly proving exactly your point :P
<UmbralRaptor> heh
<egg|z|egg> bofh: also if you need to pick determiners from those available in Hittite (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hittite_cuneiform#Determiners) to disambiguate programming concepts thing are likely to get into "a monad is like a banana" territory
<egg|z|egg> bofh: the Ur III graphy of 𒄞 kind of looks like a bovid
<egg|z|egg> (obviously the later glyphs don't really look like anything)
<bofh> egg|z|egg: ROFL
<bofh> Huh, 𒄀 is "reed"?
<egg|z|egg> bofh: ... what part of "we're not trying to solve this problem" are they failing to read https://github.com/rust-lang/rfcs/pull/2457#issuecomment-397914602
<Qboid> [#2457] title: Allow non-ASCII identifiers | Allow non-ASCII letters (such as accented characters, Cyrillic, Greek, Kanji, etc.) in Rust identifiers.... | https://github.com/rust-lang/rfcs/issues/2457
<bofh> WOW that is some bad reading comprehension