egg|nomz|egg changed the topic of #kspacademia to: https://gist.github.com/pdn4kd/164b9b85435d87afbec0c3a7e69d3e6d | Dogs are cats. Spiders are cat interferometers. | Космизм сегодня! | Document well, for tomorrow you may get mauled by a ネコバス. | <UmbralRaptor> egg|nomz|egg: generally if your eyes are dewing over, that's not the weather. | <ferram4> I shall beat my problems to death with an engineer.
<bofh> https://twitter.com/mattieuMattieu/status/1005961425381019648 TIL but that makes sense (we engineered glass before we engineered bronze)
<kmath> <mattieuMattieu> @Diraccone @yonatanzunger @SwiftOnSecurity @michaelgat This is the thing that I find most interesting - the physics… https://t.co/dDPV20MjTJ
<kmath> <yonatanzunger> @mattieuMattieu @Diraccone @SwiftOnSecurity @michaelgat https://t.co/PiVcycTdqT
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<egg|phone|egg> !wpn
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<kmath> <xdroop> #7days https://t.co/v8wu4BJBaU
<Qboid> [#7] title: Change extensions | GitHub is confused by .h, .ipp or .inl files.... | https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/principia/issues/7
<egg|phone|egg> Thuboid
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<bofh> LOL
* UmbralRaptop meows at Qboid.
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<UmbralRaptop> -/bin/sh: ed: not found
<UmbralRaptop> … does this mean busybox is not POSIX compliant?
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<bofh> UmbralRaptop: no, b/c you *can* compile in ed(1) into busybox, just this vendor didn't.
* UmbralRaptop wonders if it would be easier to find a dvd-rw, rather than troubleshoot these us booting problems.
<bofh> that momemt when you discover that you have the multitrack to All Star but not the full song on this machine & decide to just master it yourself instead of downloading the full song.
<bofh> UmbralRaptop: prolly, USB boot on older mobos is a barely work8ing clusterfuck.
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<UmbralRaptop> 2007 was. decade after USB came out, so I'd expect it to work…
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<bofh> UmbralRaptop: so *booting* off things other than CD was broken for so damn long on desktop motherboards IME
<UmbralRaptop> If I treat it as a livecd, Debian boots up fine. Installing breaks partway in.
<bofh> Huh. Interesting, it's the booting part that breaks IME, if it actually passes that stage then it should be good. wtf...
* UmbralRaptop should take some pics in a bit.
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<UmbralRaptop> This error happens after selecting language I
<UmbralRaptop> *language and keyboard.
<kmath> <Nystre> "i thought this was art therapy" ⏎ "no, it is rat therapy" i say, opening the cages and unleashing billions of rats u… https://t.co/WWrCm5dqAl
<bofh> UmbralRaptop: just a sec
<UmbralRaptop> Computers are bad.
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<kmath> <mcclure111> Man, Ancient Magus' Bride is brutal https://t.co/wVVNCFkPmE
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<UmbralRaptop> ;c exp(-10.8)
<kmath> UmbralRaptop: Unknown Token
<UmbralRaptop> ;c e^(-10.8)
<kmath> UmbralRaptop: 0.000020399503411
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* egg|zzz|egg stares at the oscillating whitequark
<egg|zzz|egg> whitequark: is your server ok?
<egg|zzz|egg> oh wait it's a netsplit
<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn whitequark
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<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptop: okay 50,8 mm eyepieces look *slightly* silly Ꙩ_ꙩ
<egg|zzz|egg> esp. for a finder >_>
<egg|zzz|egg> !rpn 31.75 24.5 /
<egg|zzz|egg> ;rpn 31.75 24.5 /
<kmath> egg|zzz|egg: 1.295918367346939
<egg|zzz|egg> ;rpn 50.8 31.75 /
<kmath> egg|zzz|egg: 1.6
<awang> egg|zzz|egg: Have you read this? https://arxiv.org/abs/cs/0701192
<awang> "The pitfalls of verifying floating-point computations"
<egg|zzz|egg> nothing new under the sun, from skimming it
<egg|zzz|egg> bofh: "only Mirabell Mozartkugeln are allowed to be round"
<egg|zzz|egg> bofh: (those are the ones you ate, or at least the ones you photographed)
<egg|zzz|egg> bofh: (from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozartkugel, which also has a table of Mozartkugeln)
<kmath> <JeremyPoxon> had no idea that this is what the colours on the pride flag represent https://t.co/GG4mvWrsBh
<egg|zzz|egg> :D
<bofh> egg|zzz|egg: TIL there's more than one variety of Mozartkugeln. And yes, it waa indeed the Mirabell ones I ate.
<egg|zzz|egg> bofh: yes but only the Fürst ones can be Original Mozartkugeln!
<bofh> Huh.
<egg|zzz|egg> plenty of real ones tho
<bofh> Iiiiiiiiiiiinteresting.
<egg|zzz|egg> bofh: you have to admire the effort that went into making a 3 000 by 10 000 pixel table of Mozartkugeln with wrappers and cross-sections
<bofh> I mean they *ARE* extremely tasty.
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<egg|zzz|egg> bofh: the German article has a lot more detail https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozartkugel
<egg|zzz|egg> so Mirabell is the only industrial one allowed to be spherical, but "Die Konditorei Fürst selbst sagt zu zwei Konkurrenzprodukten: „Die Mirabell-Kugel ist genauso wenig echt wie die von Reber.“"
<egg|zzz|egg> Fürst say they're as little real as the Reber ones :-p
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<bofh> LOL
<bofh> I should get my hands on some of the Fürst ones.
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptop: okay focuser + eyepiece half the length of the main scope, giant finders are weird :-p
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<UmbralRaptop> Well, the main scope also has a folded light path.
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptop: no I mean the main body of the focuser
<egg|zzz|egg> s/focuser/finder/
<Qboid> egg|zzz|egg meant to say: UmbralRaptop: no I mean the main body of the finder
<UmbralRaptop> that does look silly.
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<egg|zzz|egg> ;rpn 330 32 /
<kmath> egg|zzz|egg: 10.3125
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptop: 10x80 finder, 70° apparent field of view
<UmbralRaptop> ꙮ_ꙮ
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptop: with the smaller eyepiece it was 13x80 50°
<kmath> <ohmwu> The QTPoC centering new pride flag (https://t.co/FiCJG1ES5H) https://t.co/MKfxxNjOrq
<UmbralRaptop> ;c 50/13
<kmath> UmbralRaptop: 3.846153846153846
<UmbralRaptop> still large
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptop: it does look very silly but I guess I don't need a telrad with a 7° true field of view :-p
<UmbralRaptop> Better field of view than some binoculars.
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptop: yeah the ANBO binos have 5°
<egg|zzz|egg> (10x magnification 50 mm aperture each eye)
<egg|zzz|egg> bofh: ah but it's Schatz who invented the name https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozartkugel#Der_Name
<bofh> Huh.
<egg|zzz|egg> bofh: from the cross-sections mirabell imitates schatz and hofbauer imitates holzermayr
<egg|zzz|egg> reber too
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* egg|zzz|egg stares at the non-ASCII identifiers rust RFC
* egg|zzz|egg stabs things
<kmath> <bcjbcjbcj> @tef_ebooks @ManishEarth be the continued fuck you to languages that aren't english you want to see in the world I guess
<SnoopJeDi> TIL there are quite a lot of spellings
<egg|zzz|egg> SnoopJeDi: of Чебышёв?
<SnoopJeDi> bofh, so apparently GIMP added manual font-tagging *last week*. Maybe 2018 isn't so bad after all
<egg|zzz|egg> SnoopJeDi: there are way more than that https://twitter.com/eggleroy/status/1004400420981223427
<kmath> <eggleroy> (T(s?j|[xšr])|(Ts?c|C)h|Č|Ç|C[sz]?)[eê]b[îiıyư](s[jz]|sch?|[sc]h|[šșşsx])[ëéeo](ff?|[vwp]) ⏎ ⏎ Consistency: there is a… https://t.co/aR9v3paUYM
<SnoopJeDi> egg|zzz|egg, да
<SnoopJeDi> I've only ever seen Chebyshev, myself
<SnoopJeDi> Ahh yea I remember that megaregex
<SnoopJeDi> bofh, also someone threw down the "submit a PR" gauntlet on my guided-UX font picker idea. Not sure if I'm flattered or terrified by the idea of trying to implement something in such a large codebase
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<kmath> <Chemjobber> they forgot ⏎ ⏎ DO NOT ADD TO CHEESE DIP https://t.co/oVI7B4w3xb
<bofh> SnoopJeDi: like that's a *very* nontrivial change of high complexity, since they're basically asking you to generate a full UI for font picking and then integrate that into GIMP. Not, like, impossible but you need quite a bit of experience with GTK+, at least some knowledge of how to extract font properties and what they sensibly mean, and experience with the GIMP codebase.
<bofh> There are maybe 3-5 people offhand that I trust would be capable of doing such a thing and doing it well (Behdad Esfahbod, Khaled Hosny, and the 3 core members of the FreeType team, and even then I'm not 100% sure about the last of those).
<bofh> It's very much a team project type thing.
<bofh> s/such a thing/such a thing alone/
<Qboid> bofh meant to say: There are maybe 3-5 people offhand that I trust would be capable of doing such a thing alone and doing it well (Behdad Esfahbod, Khaled Hosny, and the 3 core members of the FreeType team, and even then I'm not 100% sure about the last of those).
* bofh waves to mlbaker
* mlbaker waves to bofh
<bofh> lemme guess, you stumbled upon this place by finding thomas-whitequark logs of me and egg|zzz|egg trying to make sense of symplectic forms? :P
<egg|zzz|egg> o/ mlbaker
<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn mlbaker
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<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn bofh
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<mlbaker> bofh: more or less :P
<mlbaker> o/ egg|zzz|egg
<mlbaker> i feel like i've found the good channel
<bofh> pretty much.
<kmath> <Chemjobber> DOES NOT GO WELL WITH BURGERS https://t.co/oVI7B4w3xb
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<egg|zzz|egg> mlbaker: there are catpics occasionally
<egg|zzz|egg> whitequark: are there any recent catpics?
<SnoopJeDi> bofh, yea, even if I were in a place where I felt okay picking up a task that large, it'd be intimidating. Learning enough GTK+ to prototype a UI could be fun, though.
<iximeow> hi mlbaker
<iximeow> egg: remind me later to get catpics in an irc-friendly form
<iximeow> the cat has decided she REALLY likes one of my bags and is a hermitcat
<egg|zzz|egg> cat!
<iximeow> (to the point that she does not want to sit in my lap, but will happy sit in my lap if i put her in the bag on my lap)
<egg|zzz|egg> Ꙩ_ꙩ
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<egg|zzz|egg> mlbaker: also to clarify, Qboid is Thomas's bot
<egg|zzz|egg> it's a good bot
<egg|zzz|egg> !meow mlbaker
* Qboid meows at mlbaker
<egg|zzz|egg> kmath is also a bot
<APlayer> !pet Qboid
* Qboid pets Qboid
<iximeow> !wpn mlbaker
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<kmath> <bofh453> @Kortney @bacondropped <@geofft> brb, starting a defense contractor called Carpet Bombadil
<bofh> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowing_up "This article is about the mathematical concept of blowing up. For information about the physical/chemical process, see Explosion."
<kmath> <xzqx> @volatile_void https://t.co/DwF41OWzy5
<bofh> !u VieƖä
<Qboid> U+0056 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER V (V)
<Qboid> U+0069 LATIN SMALL LETTER I (i)
<Qboid> U+0065 LATIN SMALL LETTER E (e)
<Qboid> U+0196 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER IOTA (Ɩ)
<Qboid> U+00E4 LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH DIAERESIS (ä)
<bofh> wtf
<bofh> !u ᴠ
<Qboid> U+1D20 LATIN LETTER SMALL CAPITAL V (ᴠ)
<bofh> wtf
<bofh> !u ᴏ
<Qboid> U+1D0F LATIN LETTER SMALL CAPITAL O (ᴏ)
<bofh> https://spinlyrics.com/song/korpiklaani-kotikonnut-lyrics-c5ca okay I have some *serious* questions as to wtf this site is doing.
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<mlbaker> hi iximeow
<mlbaker> egg|zzz|egg: yeah, i assumed so :P
<egg|zzz|egg> you can use the bots to make decisions
<egg|zzz|egg> !choose sleep|don't sleep
<Qboid> egg|zzz|egg: Your options are: sleep, don't sleep. My choice: don't sleep
<egg|zzz|egg> ;choose sleep|don't sleep
<kmath> egg|zzz|egg: don't sleep
<mlbaker> alright then, 2 out of 3!
<mlbaker> let me guess, it's hard coded to always give that answer on that prompt ;)
<bofh> mlbaker: I don't think so, but it really *should be*.
<mlbaker> ++
<iximeow> ;choose more malware|more ""legitimate software""
<kmath> iximeow: more malware
<iximeow> MORE MALWARE
<bofh> hookssdt_x64.sys
<bofh> I'm sorry I just. I still can't get over that gem.
<kmath> <chordbug> updated my shinichi mochizuki style business card https://t.co/SgYGNi9gai
* UmbralRaptop just burned a CD to install an i386 version of Linux. o_O
<bofh> my condolences
<mlbaker> bofh: LOL
<mlbaker> close, but no cigar.
<iximeow> bofh: i also found something called ppeengine.sys with a different pdb path that trashes all over ntoskrnl.exe!KeAttachProcess
<kmath> <whitequark> @FioraAeterna unfortunately it also makes you noticeably dumber
<iximeow> and something else that just ****loves**** to scan through *physical memory* because ??? for a code pattern that i *think* is the start of _strnicmp?
* iximeow coughs
<iximeow> and those are the ones i can talk about
<bofh> iximeow: I like how I can't tell if "ppengine.sys" is malware or antivirus
<bofh> (but I repeat myself)
<iximeow> i'm looking forward to the kaspersky driver i know i'll find
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptop: um exactly how redshifted are you
<UmbralRaptop> egg|zzz|egg: IIRC, the galaxy that is my twitter/masto avatar is at z = 0.04
<whitequark> egg|zzz|egg: valproate does that it's a known thing
<egg|zzz|egg> whitequark: how does it work, and to what eggstent?
<whitequark> no one is really sure
<whitequark> but it's a GABAergic so probably related to that
<whitequark> and it makes me dumber enough I occasionally struggle with code I can otherwise write or read easily
<egg|zzz|egg> does it cause one to make eggpuns
<whitequark> dunno, maybe as much as being very slightly high on weed
<egg|zzz|egg> whitequark: huh, I have never noticed anything like that
<egg|zzz|egg> whitequark: what dosage are we talking about here if that's not too indiscrete?
<whitequark> I was on uhhh
<whitequark> 500mg/day? maybe up to 900mg/day
<whitequark> that's comparatively small, in the typical valproate use patterns
<egg|zzz|egg> yeah that's smaller than me (used to be 500 morning 500 evening, now 500 morning 300 evening)
<whitequark> what for? maybe it only makes BD people dumber
<egg|zzz|egg> epilepsy (don't think I've had any symptoms other than headaches, but I have those pretty consistently in the absence of депакотя)
<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn whitequark
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<egg|zzz|egg> whitequark: oh gods the non-ASCII identifiers thread now has more than 300 comments
<kmath> <FreeLeaf> @eisoch @BabelStone It is certain that the character is a variant of 猁, as used in Qing manuscript, and it is still… https://t.co/nEcm8U30NI
<bofh> https://twitter.com/kay314159/status/1006286205904871426 I'm honestly pissed right now.
<kmath> <kay314159> @psi_organa She found a mistake soon after vN’s 1932 work, and her argument was redone by Bell in the 60s without k… https://t.co/aOhqCy1MXH
<UmbralRaptop> stabbity
<UmbralRaptop> (uh, @psi_organa is locked right now)
<bofh> LIKE THAT'S NOT A TRIVIAL THING TO OVERLOOK
<bofh> UmbralRaptop: "What is the significance of it? (Sorry, not a mathematician!! Just interested.)" in response to https://twitter.com/kay314159/status/1006277966404378625
<kmath> <kay314159> People need to learn about Grete Hermann’s disproof of von Neumann’s no-hidden-variable ‘theorem.’ ⏎ ⏎ Her work was ba… https://t.co/OFI5ROhnYJ
<UmbralRaptop> bofh: aack
<UmbralRaptop> mlbaker: cats. https://goo.gl/photos/Pydz1gRhiuphgmvq8
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptop: some of these cats are birbs
<UmbralRaptop> egg|zzz|egg: winged kitties!
<kmath> <chordbug> i roll up my sleeve to reveal my LaTeX tattoo. it says “badness 10000” in beautiful serif letters
<bofh> https://twitter.com/bofh453/status/1006320931814494208 I think I found a state loop in my autocowreck's Markov chain.
<kmath> <bofh453> I cry about how much more complex analysis assignments and apparently rebooting the following spreadsheet spreadshe… https://t.co/Cp6bZkynVY
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<egg|zzz|egg> bofh: complex analysis with Excel