egg|nomz|egg changed the topic of #kspacademia to: https://gist.github.com/pdn4kd/164b9b85435d87afbec0c3a7e69d3e6d | Dogs are cats. Spiders are cat interferometers. | Космизм сегодня! | Document well, for tomorrow you may get mauled by a ネコバス. | <UmbralRaptor> egg|nomz|egg: generally if your eyes are dewing over, that's not the weather. | <ferram4> I shall beat my problems to death with an engineer.
<egg|z|egg> bofh: I mean, if they can programmatically distinguish Hittite syllabary from Akkadograms and Sumerograms, they will make many Assyriologists happy, but I'm unsure what this has to do with this programming language
<bofh> I mean I'm pretty sure that's an AI-complete problem.
<egg|z|egg> bofh: no it's very easy you see, you merely need 12 jugs, 7 breads, 3 cheeses, raisins, coriander, fat, intestine, salt, wax, flour, natron, 4 sheep, puppy, piglet, fish, lizard, pickaxe, shovel, table, bed, stool, curtain, spear, 2 pestles, statuettes and variously coloured wool to jiggle over the program text
<bofh> ROFL
<UmbralRaptor> " It's not Hungarian notation if it is natively present in the language "
* UmbralRaptor is amused.
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<egg|z|egg> bofh: Manish pointed me to http://w3c.github.io/i18n-drafts/articles/typography/linebreak.en, Javanese seems fun
<egg|z|egg> "In many scripts these special conjuncts are likely to only occur internally within words, but in others (such as Javanese and Balinese) they may actually span word boundaries."
<egg|z|egg> bofh: Akkadograms are weird
<bofh> egg|z|egg: Hittite is a fucking *mess*.
<bofh> like it is actually the *WORST* writing system this side of Tangut in existence.
<egg|z|egg> well I mean sumerograms are weird, too
<UmbralRaptor> bofh: wait, what?
<egg|z|egg> this is kind of worse than Man'yōgana + ideographs, in that *both are syllabaries*
<bofh> UmbralRaptor: ?
<egg|z|egg> (same scripts in both cases, but both being syllabaries but one being used logographically makes it intensely silly)
<bofh> egg|z|egg: oh it's *easily* worse Man'yōgana + kanji, there's no contest here.
<UmbralRaptor> bofh: I'm just curious as to how Hittite is bad.
<bofh> oh gods. SO.
* egg|z|egg considers inserting random Latin verba in English loquela, to be read as the English words
<bofh> putting Akkadograms aside, here's an example.
<bofh> Actually the one on wiki is good:
<bofh> "Thus, the sign GI 𒄀 can be used (and transcribed) in three ways, as the Hittite syllable gi (also ge); in the Akkadian spelling QÈ-RU-UB of the preposition "near" as QÈ, and as the Sumerian ideogram GI for "tube" also in superscript, GI, when used as a determiner"
<bofh> (I have a better one, but I can't recall where I wrote it down. Basically, fucking ambiguities *everywhere*)
<bofh> (Also the cuneiform syllabary was extremely not designed for an IE language's syllable structure & the Hittites just kind of shoehorned around it, but that's a minor detail).
<bofh> "Hittite Kurunta is usually written as 𒀭𒆗 dLAMMA, where LAMMA is the Sumerogram for "stag", the Luwian deity Kurunta being associated with this animal here's another fun one
<egg|z|egg> bofh: I mean it *is* the Akkadograms and Sumerograms that make the bulk of the silliness from what I can see
<bofh> egg|z|egg: this is true, but frustratingly they're *common*
<egg|z|egg> :D
<egg|z|egg> yeah Akkadian doesn't seem to be that Sumerogram-heavy (and obviously it only has one kind of logogram so there's that)
<bofh> egg|z|egg: iiiiiiiiiiiiiinteresting.
<bofh> also I really need to bookmark that tumblr
<egg|z|egg> bofh: "Illuyankaš, as I mentioned above, is a compound of two words for “snake” or “serpent”. This, plus the determinative for snakes that comes before his name, means his name can basically be read as “the snake Snakey-Snake”."
<bofh> ROFL
<SnoopJeDi> hm, I don't remember that episode of SG-1
<bofh> rofl
<bofh> Nor do I :P
<egg|phone|egg> Snek
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<UmbralRaptor> 3x sneks? Sounds good for long term support.
<UmbralRaptor> The Hubble not so constant https://twitter.com/APOGEEsurvey/status/1008535636519710721
<kmath> <APOGEEsurvey> .@eBOSSurvey measurements in 1 slide! I think. Its a lot. #sdss2018 https://t.co/ct22wsGWRf
<bofh> UmbralRaptor: I mean...
<UmbralRaptor> I've never actually seen estimates of H_0(z) before.
<UmbralRaptor> >_>;;
<UmbralRaptor> Well, actual ones, and not toy models.
<bofh> don't most models actually assume (erroneously?) that it'll actually be constant?
<UmbralRaptor> Several of the toy ones I saw in cosmology class did, though there are fancier numerical tools lying around so you can do things correctly with actual data.
<UmbralRaptor> Yes, it's cited. And yes, it's using JavaScript.
<UmbralRaptor> Granted, this wasn't really practical in Hubble's time.
<UmbralRaptor> Crossover with chem twitter? https://twitter.com/APOGEEsurvey/status/1008552913348657152
<kmath> <APOGEEsurvey> .@AMWeijmans is encouraging us to "Adopt an Element" -- inspired by @jajohnson51, he will make a new periodic table… https://t.co/SIjQor5TWC
<UmbralRaptor> Hrm, misread it.
<UmbralRaptor> Fun, tomorrow's high is projected to be 308.
<bofh> I mean our heat index for tomorrow is projected to be 310 at its highest
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<UmbralRaptor> Blood temperature air is always Fun.
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<egg|work|egg> !wpn whitequark
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<kmath> <whitequark> "I'm happy to see Cuneiform enter the conversation. It's really a fascinating writing system, and I would personall… https://t.co/yXr2robfs7
<egg|work|egg> whitequark: tbh an Akkadian codebase might be more realistic
<kmath> <Zaikarion> @bofh453 Why do I have the sudden urge to write code with comments in Akkadian?
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<bofh> egg|work|egg: yeah, I can see one writing a codebase with Akkadian comments eventually
<UmbralRaptor> Interview question: implement a linked list in Hittite.
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<bofh> LOL
<awang> No context indeed
<awang> What is going on
<egg|work|egg> bofh: https://twitter.com/bofh453/status/1008721846265634816 so do you have something named after you already
<kmath> <bofh453> @mrkgrnao Not going to lie, this is like 15% of why I did a math degree in undergrad.
<bofh> egg|work|egg: sadly no, b/c I switched fields :P
<egg|work|egg> UmbralRaptor: new cat!
<bofh> egg|work|egg: my life goal is to be immortalized in such a way as Leon Lederman
<egg|work|egg> !wpn bofh
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<egg|work|egg> !wpn UmbralRaptor
* Qboid gives UmbralRaptor a Schwarz cannon which strongly resembles a sequence
<egg|work|egg> !wpn whitequark
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<bofh> I prefer fermionic espressos, thanks.
<mlbaker> 10:48 <@bofh> egg|work|egg: sadly no, b/c I switched fields :P
<mlbaker> that modesty ;)
<bofh> egg|work|egg: okay now I'm curious, how would one translate the concept of "numeric underflow" into Akkadian?
<UmbralRaptor> > Not drinking espresso at temperatures where it follows Maxwell-Boltzmann statistics.
<UmbralRaptor> awang: anyway, context. https://astrobites.org/2018/06/18/the-planets-in-the-gaps/
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<SnoopJeDi> bofh, all the more reason for skepticism about MiniBooNE >_>
<bofh> SnoopJeDi: I agree, but context? :P
<SnoopJeDi> the Oops-Leon
<bofh> ahhhhhhhhh
<bofh> yes, indeed! good point.
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<UmbralRaptop> "Anaconda is partnered with Microsoft! Microsoft VSCode is a streamlined code editor with support for development operations like debugging, task running and version control."
* UmbralRaptop blinks.
<bofh> !u ö
<Qboid> U+00F6 LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH DIAERESIS (ö)
<UmbralRaptop> Also, Anaconda solved my problems. I think.
* bofh suppresses a choked laugh
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<UmbralRaptor> Granted, running a version of Ubuntu more recent that 14.x would be better, but Anaconda really did solve my problems.
<bofh> UmbralRaptor: I'm actually, like, legitimately impressed right now.
<UmbralRaptor> I'm not going to start leaking blood from random orifices, right?
<bofh> Don't know, ask whitequark.
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<egg|zzz|egg> bofh: not sure about underflow
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<bofh> egg|zzz|egg: so underflow'd boil down to decomposing that and replacing the preposition part of it.
<bofh> hm.
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<egg|zzz|egg> bofh: yeah but I'm not sure there's a preposition part of it
<bofh> egg|zzz|egg: yeah I think etāqu/šupālu are the relevant pair but neither is part of nabalkutu
<bofh> clearly we need to calque an expression like "to cross thru the underworld" or something :P
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<SnoopJeDi> bofh, disturbing implications for buffer overflow :P
<UmbralRaptop> Hell is empty, and all the dæmons are here.
<bofh> I mean that's a good description of POSIX compliance.
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<egg|zzz|egg> meow
<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn whitequark, коте, and the котяchrome kitten
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<SnoopJeDi> "...accurately predicts the model out to an impressive 8 Lyapunov times" https://www.quantamagazine.org/machine-learnings-amazing-ability-to-predict-chaos-20180418/
<kmath> <✔GretchenAMcC> ðə moʊst səksɛsfʊɫ pipɫ aɪv mɛtː ⏎ ⏎ 1. kæn ɹid ði aɪ pi eɪ ⏎ 2. ðæts ɪt ⏎ 3. aɪ dʒʌst wɑnt ɛvɹiwʌn tu noʊ ði aɪ pieɪ ⏎ 4… https://t.co/1ZYs6Vn7EB
<egg|zzz|egg> (via manishearth)
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<UmbralRaptor> SnoopJeDi: Ꙩ_ꙩ
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<bofh> SnoopJeDi: ...nice
<kmath> <jamesheathers> @Helena_LB I like to think of insults as butterflies - ephemeral, unbelievably pretty, and then off into the wild t… https://t.co/8AD6znOMtt
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<UmbralRaptor> birb https://m.imgur.com/AOCJ4BY?r
<kmath> <U_1F410> From the people that brought you Border Gateway Protocol, we bring you Estradiol https://t.co/pHErRTtcXo
<UmbralRaptor> The order mismatch makes me uncomfortable.
<UmbralRaptor> Something something packet fragmentation?
<bofh> rofl
<bofh> pretty much
<awang> UmbralRaptor: Surprisingly useful context
<UmbralRaptor> Astrobites is intriguing, and you should subscribe to their newsfeed.
<awang> Well, I would if I could figure out how >_<
<awang> idk if it's because umatrix is breaking things though
<awang> Ah, yep
<awang> And done
<UmbralRaptor> \o/
* bofh stares at the latest Voyager 2 CRS low-energy particle & electron plots, rubs eyes
<bofh> well, *something* is happening there, just what? some sort of weird reflected shockwave? oh right and the particle flow there is inexplicably rotated 90deg relative the radial.
* UmbralRaptor gets bitten by Astronomers usually using tcsh. Again.
<bofh> (t)csh is bloody awful