egg|nomz|egg changed the topic of #kspacademia to: https://gist.github.com/pdn4kd/164b9b85435d87afbec0c3a7e69d3e6d | Dogs are cats. Spiders are cat interferometers. | Космизм сегодня! | Document well, for tomorrow you may get mauled by a ネコバス. | <UmbralRaptor> egg|nomz|egg: generally if your eyes are dewing over, that's not the weather. | <ferram4> I shall beat my problems to death with an engineer.
<UmbralRaptor> ;choose catenoid|catgirl
<kmath> UmbralRaptor: catgirl
<egg> uh oh did i break Qboid
<UmbralRaptor> Qboid:?
<egg> !wpn
* Qboid gives egg a const histomorphism
<UmbralRaptor> hm
<UmbralRaptor> !choose catenoid|catgirl
<Qboid> UmbralRaptor: Your options are: catenoid, catgirl. My choice: catenoid
<egg> can cat ears have a catenoid shape
<UmbralRaptor> doubtful =\
<SnoopJeDi> !wpn -add:adj catenary
<Qboid> SnoopJeDi: Adjective added!
<SnoopJeDi> котяnary?
<UmbralRaptor> so if we revolve котя around her axis…
<egg> UmbralRaptor: even tuco's ears?
<UmbralRaptor> hrm
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<bofh> 00:00:00 <@UmbralRaptor> ;choose catenoid|catgirl
<bofh> the correct choice is always catgirl, imho.
<iximeow> ;choose categirl|catgirllll|kat
<kmath> iximeow: categirl
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<UmbralRaptor> I'm not sure why I had this in an open tab. https://prolost.com/blog/tank
<UmbralRaptor> Note to self: typing 100 seconds into a timer will not do what you want.
<kmath> <NaturesPoisons> Lead acetate isn't a condiment I'd recommend. ⏎ "German police investigate 21 deaths linked to poisoned sandwiches" https://t.co/sks4hz2NNy
<UmbralRaptor> o_O
<UmbralRaptor> "died before retirement" "no known motive"
<UmbralRaptor> I can guess at one.
<SnoopJeDi> pretty spiffy of that artist to share their rig freely <3
<kmath> <johncarlosbaez> My 7-year-old paper with Tom Leinster and Tobias Fritz is finally "trending". We proved that entropy is the unique… https://t.co/H9qzGcFW3a
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<egg> !wpn bofh
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<egg> !wpn -add:adj spinny
<Qboid> egg: Adjective added!
<egg> !wpn -add:wpn friend
<Qboid> egg: Weapon added!
<egg> !wpn whitequark's spinny friend
* Qboid gives whitequark's spinny friend a hypothesis
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<egg> bofh: Bielefeld?
<egg> bofh: why is https://twitter.com/stephentyrone no longer ~Long Long Cat~ :-/
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<egg|phone|egg> !Wpn whitequark
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<egg|work|egg> rqou: "totally.a.legitimate.domain.not.malware.xn--xi7a.xn--j6w193g" O_o
<egg|work|egg> rqou: why 龘
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<awang> !u 龘
<Qboid> U+9F98 CJK IDEOGRAPH-9F98 (龘)
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<awang> Hmmm
<awang> Are #defines and -D defines treated differently in C++?
<awang> I'm trying to deal with this VS 2017 15.8 extended aligned storage thing
<awang> And I trip the static_assert if I use #define in the .cpp before including any headers
<awang> But don't trip it if I define the macro on the command line
<egg|work|egg> O_o ?
<egg|work|egg> what aligned storage thing
<awang> VS used to be non-conforming when instantiating std::aligned_storage with an alignment > alignof(max_align_t)
<awang> It just used min(alignment, alignof(max_align_t)
<awang> The new VS does the right thing, but that breaks binary compatibility, so there's a static_assert to force you to pick one behavior or the other
<awang> The static_assert is hidden behind some #ifdefs, but I can't seem to skip the static_asserts
<egg|work|egg> ſtrange
<awang> !u ſ
<Qboid> U+017F LATIN SMALL LETTER LONG S (ſ)
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<UmbralRaptor> … is the spinny friend a danger friend?
<egg|work|egg> ſpinny friend
<bofh> egg|work|egg: what about Bielefeld?
<bofh> rofl, that's hilarious.
<bofh> but no, it sadly seems like the lead acetate poisoning is real??? :(
<kmath> <stephentyrone> \begin{meme} https://t.co/hCLDyGGbUJ
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<UmbralRaptor> LaTeX syntax would lend itself well to most captions.
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<egg|work|egg> !wpn rqou
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<UmbralRaptop> SnoopJeDi: I swear that page ran my phone out of memory.
<UmbralRaptop> bofh: fortunately (?) this isn't the case in astronomy and planetary science. https://twitter.com/V_Saggiomo/status/1012414857147281409
<kmath> <V_Saggiomo> That’s for me the real point here. We’ve somewhere lost the “ability” of making our own “instruments” and nowadays… https://t.co/CnTCoZTwwr
<egg|work|egg> !wpn UmbralRaptop
* Qboid gives UmbralRaptop a modified plush
<SnoopJeDi> UmbralRaptop, which?
<UmbralRaptop> The one where the untrained neural network was just as good as the trained one.
<SnoopJeDi> That doesn't ring a bell, something I RT'd?
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<bofh> SnoopJeDi: no, it was something I RTed
<kmath> <WAWilsonIV> “It seems that the training of the MDRNN does not improve the performance.” HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. https://t.co/nkfWqOpkm7
<SnoopJeDi> ahh
<UmbralRaptop> Doh.
<UmbralRaptop> It was RT'd by a mathematician turned scientist, close enough?
<SnoopJeDi> Being confused with bofh is the most flattering thing that's happened to me this week
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<UmbralRaptop> !seen tawny
<Qboid> UmbralRaptop: Value cannot be null.
<egg|work|egg> !seen whitequark
<Qboid> egg|work|egg: I last saw whitequark on [24.06.2018 22:12:35] in #kspacademia saying: "EXTREMELY APPROPRIATE"
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<UmbralRaptop> Hah
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<egg|work|egg> !wpn Deille
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* egg|work|egg stares at s‘Deille nick
<UmbralRaptop> Chirality detected.
<SnoopJeDi> UmbralRaptop, although to be clear I'm definitely not a mathematician, just a scientist who happens to have a math degree too :P
<UmbralRaptop> heh
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<egg> !wpn bofh
* Qboid gives bofh a submersible refractor with a bifurcation attachment
<SnoopJeDi> Speaking of maths though, https://journals.aps.org/prx/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevX.8.021075 is kinda neat, and I'm very surprised it's not a known set of results
<rqou> egg: it was one of the BMP CJK characters that had the most strokes and was on HKDNR's whitelist
<rqou> this specific one because dragons are cool :P
<egg> oh there's a whitelist?
<rqou> yes, because HKDNR aren't idiots :P :P
<rqou> if you register the simplified/traditional version of a domain, you get the other one for free
<rqou> characters must be Chinese, not Japanese/Korean
<rqou> and names must be either all latin or all chinese and not a mix of both
<rqou> so they implemented anti-phish protection for realz
<awang> !wpn -add:adj aligned
<Qboid> awang: Adjective added!
<egg> rqou: interesting
<awang> !wpn -add:adj over-aligned
<Qboid> awang: Adjective added!
<awang> !wpn -add:adj unaligned
<Qboid> awang: Adjective already added!
<egg> rqou: do you get a .hk domain if you get a .香港 domain too?
<rqou> yes
<egg> http://xn--xi7a.hk/ doesn't seem to work
<rqou> no, a completely different one
<egg> ah
<rqou> .hk only allows new registrations to be latin, .香港 only allows chinese
<rqou> so my .hk is "0a.hk"
<egg> why 0a?
<egg> there is no requirement that the two be related?
<rqou> first two-char sequence that i found that wasn't taken
<egg> (daap6.hk doesn't exist :-p)
<rqou> and no, they don't have to be related
<rqou> anyways, anti-phish exists for various reasons such as not allowing you to substitute ロ for 口
<egg> that's covered by UTS #39 tho
<Qboid> [#39] title: Matchers | Actually, just one matcher.... | https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/principia/issues/39
<egg> no you bot
<SnoopJeDi> cursed txt
<egg> rqou: also why do you redirect to robertou.com instead of the reverse :-p
<rqou> robertou.com is the "serious" domain
<egg> exactly, why would you redirect to the serious domain instead of making it redirect to the silly one :-p
<egg> !wpn rqou
* Qboid gives rqou a line
<rqou> lol
<SnoopJeDi> not sure if illegal
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<awang> TIL qmake buffers its output character-by-character o_O
<awang> Or so it seems
<awang> Got boost compiling in one window, spitting out things line by line
<awang> And Qt in another window, slooowwwwwly printing out its output character by character
<kmath> <DougFordFacts> Fun fact: The new Ontario cabinet includes the highest number of mid-level drug dealers in the province’s history.
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<kmath> <PlanetaryGao> The most upsetting are those who are denied entry into the US based on their point of origin and, let's face it, th… https://t.co/fLWFEMpfLY
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<kmath> <bofh453> I MUST READ THIS. https://t.co/wbmcv7SFLx
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<bofh> egg: I mean who *wouldn't* want to read Hittite isekai?
<egg> bofh: does Muršili II learn Rust
<egg> !wpn rqou
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<bofh> egg: we should write thst sequel if he doesn't already
<UmbralRaptop> I'd sort of expect isekai to be in Sumerian or Akkadian. Hittite would have a cookbook?
<UmbralRaptop> Also, o_O
<bofh> also that tweet is great b/c I now follow several more Assyriologists now.
<hillexed> yeah actually that would be amazing
<kmath> <Eatingartefacts> My favourite thing about reading Old Babylonian loan documents from Mari is the way the the sun god Shamash will ju… https://t.co/N1t3QSzvQi
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<egg> Ꙩ_ꙩ
<SnoopJeDi> ...huh, I don't think I ever learned that harmonic vector fields can be described in terms of Hodge theory (probably because I learned nothing of Hodge theory)
<SnoopJeDi> Guess it's a good thing I decided to write a cute footnote about why quadrupoles always focus in one transverse direction and defocus in the other
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<UmbralRaptop> bofh: tempted to add "not indebted to Shamash" to my twitter profile now. >_>
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<egg|zzz|egg> !Wpn bofh
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<bofh> UmbralRaptop: same, actually.
<bofh> In other news, some clown cut a Level3 backbone fiber line between Chicago and NYC and it's making the internet experience here, um, ""special"".
<SnoopJeDi> same
<SnoopJeDi> although it's settled down over the last hour or two
<iximeow> oh is that the cause of comcast's outage issues?
<iximeow> hehehehehe oops
<iximeow> imagine looking at the cable after cutting it
<iximeow> i feel bad for the fella
<SnoopJeDi> I confess that my fatalistic side was slightly hoping this was the reappearance of that IoT mega botnet
<SnoopJeDi> because whenever *that* thing is actually deployed it's going to be awe-inspiring
<egg|zzz|egg> 喵
<egg|zzz|egg> !Wpn rqou
<SnoopJeDi> huh, even looks like a cat...with braces?
<SnoopJeDi> maybe a cat eating a waffle
<egg|zzz|egg> Why does the pinyin ime have the compatibility character ℃
<egg|zzz|egg> !u ℃µ❞μ
<Qboid> U+2103 DEGREE CELSIUS (℃)
<Qboid> U+00B5 MICRO SIGN (µ)
<Qboid> U+275E HEAVY DOUBLE COMMA QUOTATION MARK ORNAMENT (❞)
<Qboid> U+03BC GREEK SMALL LETTER MU (μ)
<egg|zzz|egg> Seriously it has micro sign???
<egg|zzz|egg> !u Ⅻ
<Qboid> U+216B ROMAN NUMERAL TWELVE (Ⅻ)
<bofh> why not? micro sign iirc is *not* deprecated.
<egg|zzz|egg> It NFCs to mu
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<egg> wait what
<egg> ". The same equivalence does not exist between micro sign and mu, and use of either character as a micro sign is common. "
<egg> but it's still "For compatibility purposes,"
<egg> bofh: Unicode 11.0.0 22.2 does explicitly discourage ℃ though
<bofh> egg: yeah,there's no excuse for that one.
<egg> help I'm reading the Unicode core specification again
<egg> also Mark doesn't have a recent paper copy so I'll have to order the print-on-demand one when 11 is available
<egg> bofh: and same for having roman numerals: " For most purposes, it is preferable to compose the Roman numerals from sequences of the appropriate Latin letters. However, [a bunch of crap has] been encoded [...] for compatibility with East Asian standards"
<UmbralRaptop> For physics porpoises, using the Greek alphabet ranges is fine, right?
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<egg> UmbralRaptop: how pedantic do you want your answer
<UmbralRaptop> moderately pedantic
<egg> UmbralRaptop: basically the "Greek and Coptic" block is \mathrm
<egg> so if you want mathematical italics you should use https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_Alphanumeric_Symbols
<egg> but that depends on your typesetting style; in french greek is always roman
<egg> at the end of the day if you're not doing fancy typesetting and you're not relying on italicizing for semantics the greek and coptic block is fine, otherwise treat it as mathrm (and same for basic latin)
<egg> UmbralRaptop: i.e. if it's a context where ax + b is OK, cos (ωt + φ) is fine too; if it's a context where you would write 𝑎𝑥 + 𝑏, write cos (𝜔𝑡 + 𝜑), unless you are doing french typesetting, in which case write cos (ω𝑡 + φ)
<SnoopJeDi> !u ω𝑡
<Qboid> U+03C9 GREEK SMALL LETTER OMEGA (ω)
<Qboid> U+1D461 MATHEMATICAL ITALIC SMALL T (𝑡)
<SnoopJeDi> !u 𝜔
<Qboid> U+1D714 MATHEMATICAL ITALIC SMALL OMEGA (𝜔)
<UmbralRaptop> Since I don't use italics in IRC, diapsid, or synapsid website, those should be okay. Sounds like I need additional care in LaTeX.
* UmbralRaptop eyes the AAS stylesheet.
<egg> UmbralRaptop: so XeLaTeX with the unicode-math package will emit those for you
<egg> UmbralRaptop: basically when you are at the level of typesetting finery that requires the mathematical alphanumeric symbols, you very quickly slip the bounds of what can be done in plain text and use Unicode + additional markup to achieve the desired rendering
<egg> bofh: which is why it's not really a problem that mathrm is unified with basic latin/greek and coptic
<egg> bofh: these alphabets are for stuff like mathml
<egg> (actually a lot of this was explicitly made for mathml)
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<bofh> egg: wait, how does this being for mathml imply that it's not a problem that mathrm is unified with basic latin/greek?
<egg> bofh: because the higher markup means that the browser knows that it should select a math font for this stuff (which is within mathml markup), which better be a serif font
<bofh> egg: but if it were not unified you could do the same *without* higher markup just as well
<egg> but you can't use \frac etc., you can't actually render equations in plain text
<bofh> Yes, but you can get a large amount of the way often using just unicode chars and combining chars. You can't do *layout*, but often that's unnecessary.
<egg> hell, you can't even use ^ and _, and the superscripts aren't designed for that anyway
<egg> bofh: you *can* do a large amount (far more readable than just TeX source) in plain text, but for that you don't really need the mathematical alphanumeric symbols
<egg> in cos (ω^(k/2) t + φ), the readability issue isn't the italicization of t and k
<egg> when you get to the level of typesetting refinement where you care about mathrm mathbf mathit and whatnot, you want layout too
<egg> bofh: you even have a plethora of papers with layout and no mathbf mathrm mathit distinction, in the typewriter era
<egg> ~handwritten greek and diacritics and typewriter latin at weird offsets~
<egg> bofh: fraktur is a thing that may actually improve readability in a plain text context, since it has a very standard distinctive meaning (but there's no unification issue there, they didn't unify basic latin with fraktur :-p)
<egg> also a very distinctive look, which means that even in a poorly typeset or a handwritten environment you will preserve the fraktur-"normal stuff" distinction
<egg> whitequark: do the cats like the spinny friend
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<kmath> YouTube - Chill electronic kit building! Soldering up some Boldport and Signal Ditch boards.
* egg|zz|egg opens chat
<egg|zz|egg> > 1 mention from rqou from a year ago
<rqou> er, what?
<egg|zz|egg> rqou: opened the gitter chat, apparently haven't done so in a while
<egg|zz|egg> rqou: on the 21st of June of 2017, you said "except the gnu ada compiler is supposedly not very spec-compliant at least according to @eggrobin" :-p
<rqou> oh yeah, i haven't had too much time to watch the scanlime stream
<rqou> life(tm) happened
<egg|zz|egg> rqou: what about writing an Ada compiler
<egg|zz|egg> (ok that would be silly, but what became of your vhdl compiler)
<rqou> life(tm)
<egg|zz|egg> !wpn rqou
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<UmbralRaptop> The check reached $75 of reactivity.
<kmath> <larsiusprime> Due to my elite programming skills, I figured out how to shave off THIRTY SECONDS from my app's startup time. Here'… https://t.co/djJZXCYk2P
<UmbralRaptop> Hypothesis: coordinating an informal international meet up is actually impossible.
<egg|zz|egg> UmbralRaptop: solution: make it formal
<UmbralRaptop> Rigorously prove that an international meet up is impossible.
<egg|zz|egg> bofh: UmbralRaptop: call for papers for the 1st general assembly of the ANBO
<UmbralRaptop> :D
<iximeow> speaking of ANBO are there decently cheap but micrometer-precise linear actuators?
<iximeow> like <$100
<iximeow> i found some that are ~50nm-precise which is cool as hell but also $600 per at least
<egg|zz|egg> iximeow: I guess for precision equipment the Norman proverb might apply, you don't get a cow for the price of a rabbit and that it be about to calve :-/
<egg|zz|egg> (the translation from Norman might be a bit shoddy but anyway)
<iximeow> there just seems to be a gap between ~1mm accuracy and nm accuracy, as far as i could find :(
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<UmbralRaptop> cat cognition https://m.imgur.com/gallery/7cTVxNz
<bofh> so apparently #AmericaIn3Words is trending and the first 3 words to pop into my head were "deeply, irrevocably fucked". Which... is probably accurate.
<UmbralRaptop> (Not the actual dialog)
<egg|zz|egg> UmbralRaptop: Ꙩ_ꙩ and then the cat closes the door back?
<UmbralRaptop> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
<UmbralRaptop> Ask imgur
<kmath> YouTube - My very vocal American Curl / Bengal cat loves to fetch nylon bolts (Tuco the Cat bonus content)