egg|nomz|egg changed the topic of #kspacademia to: https://gist.github.com/pdn4kd/164b9b85435d87afbec0c3a7e69d3e6d | Dogs are cats. Spiders are cat interferometers. | Космизм сегодня! | Document well, for tomorrow you may get mauled by a ネコバス. | <UmbralRaptor> egg|nomz|egg: generally if your eyes are dewing over, that's not the weather. | <ferram4> I shall beat my problems to death with an engineer.
<UmbralRaptop> o_O
<kmath> <alercah> So, despite having taken a course in Lie theory, I still feel like I don't understand it one bit. :(
* egg|zzz|egg never managed to be comfortable with representations tbh
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<B787_300> UmbralRaptop: so yeah Oct 8th... you busy that day (it is columbus day)
<UmbralRaptop> B787_300: probably not
<B787_300> will you be in the DC area that day?
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<UmbralRaptop> Yes
<bofh> egg|zzz|egg: I mean it's not exactly easy.
<bofh> egg|zzz|egg: I could go over rep'n theory when I'm at ANBO,
<egg|zz|egg> I wonder what bits of Lie theory alercah got stuck on
<egg|zz|egg> bofh: we should try to formalize the whole "usual algebraic structures but with dimensional analysis" thing
<bofh> good idea, since that's interesting and not really something I've seen formally defined *anywhere*
<egg|zz|egg> and also what the hell happens to SO(3) and its Lie algebra when you look at orthogonal maps between two distinct spaces
<bofh> (which is odd; I did ask around the mathphys folk here but they hadn't heard of anything of that sort)
<bofh> "fun" happens, iirc.
<egg|zz|egg> bofh: well, we found that thing that did it formally for fields, but nobody does the vector spaces on top etc.
<egg|zz|egg> I mean, it's trivial, but naming things seems useful
<bofh> yeah, which is the really interesting theory. plus it feels like it generalizes to any sort of algebraic object, too.
<bofh> it feels like you'd find it in some weird intersection of formal type theory and mathphys.
<bofh> (...I feel like "intersection of formal type theory & mathphys" is a good description of a nontrivial amount of Principia's codebase, >_>)
<egg|zz|egg> amusingly, I know nothing about type theory
<egg|zz|egg> I still constantly come to the conclusion that https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVyxmzFW0AArBfw.jpg though :-p
<egg|zz|egg> but I guess that's a consequence of having been raised with Ada
<egg|zz|egg> we'll have a dedicated integer type to count this thing here,
<bofh> rofl
<egg|zz|egg> bofh: honestly I'm not sure that adding dimensionful things to the usual algebraic structures is all that deeply interesting, it probably just works
<egg|zz|egg> figuring out what happens to SO(3) when it isn't endomorphisms anymore, and what its Lie algebra becomes in that case, otoh,
<bofh> okay that probably turns into an outright mess,
<egg|zzz|egg> but it has to work, somehow: if you have two reference systems rotating wrt each other, their angular velocity wrt each other is a meaningful concept
<bofh> Hrm.
<egg|zzz|egg> but how does it come about, when there is no group structure to summon Lie and his algebra
<bofh> Ugh, yes, but how do you represent the angular velocity of two reference *systems* with respect to each other. You kind of have to embed both of them into the same of some mathematical object for that to be meaningful, I think.
<egg|zz|egg> bofh: well, you can have the SO(3) analogue easily, V and W oriented 3 dimensional real inner product spaces, the set of homomorphisms thereof has a manifold structure, right?
<bofh> Yes, it's even isomorphic to something relatively nice but I forget *what* it is.
<egg|zz|egg> at the end of the day it has to be essentially SO(3) except you don't have the group structure :-p
<egg|zz|egg> what you do have is the manifold of inverses though
<egg|zz|egg> maybe you can use *that* to screw around with commutators?
<egg|zz|egg> bofh: unrelated, I feel like there's an original meme behind these, because it doesn't make much sense to me otherwise https://twitter.com/mrkgrnao/status/1040255335825657856
<kmath> <mrkgrnao> @stephentyrone or, even worse https://t.co/dgdU58ITWP
* bofh idly debates bringing along their жалейка this time (kinda worried it'll get damaged in the flight tho, birchbark ain't the most strong material).
<bofh> 00:52:42 < egg|zz|egg> maybe you can use *that* to screw around with commutators?
* UmbralRaptop is still confused by https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVyxmzFW0AArBfw.jpg
<egg|zz|egg> bofh: clearly you should use Norman birches and make one,
<bofh> I doubt it, at least not nicely.
<bofh> Then again, a lot of the structures concerned with screwing around with commutators are positively vile (consider, say, R[[X,Y]], the ring of all non-commuting formal power series with real coefficients in the non-commuting variables X and Y,)
<bofh> egg|zz|egg: hrm, that sounds a bit difficult but also fun,
<egg|zz|egg> as opposed to nonpositively vile
<bofh> ANBO activities: making double-reed woodwinds,
* egg|zz|egg looks up жалейка
<bofh> egg|zz|egg: it's important the vileness is positive semidefinite,
<egg|zz|egg> that kind of reminds me of adam de la halle somehow
<bofh> lmao wikipedia: Timbre: Piercing and nasal / VolumeHigh
<bofh> this is accurate
* bofh looks up Adam de la Halle
<bofh> ooh, interesting.
<egg|zz|egg> ah yes that would be because the bit I'm thinking of has bagpipes,
<bofh> (also let me take this moment to mention that time I was in a tabletop RP with @Zaikarion and we needed to figure out what sort of instrument my character would likely be able to play in the worldsetting so we spent like a half-hour spelunking the Hornbostel-Sachs Classification on the bus)
<bofh> ooh, this is nice :D
* bofh adds to list of reasons to learn to play the bagpipes,
<bofh> https://youtube.com/watch?v=BCOsMMFXt5g?t=192 for жалейка
<kmath> YouTube - Мельница - Травушка (Дикие травы. Олимпийский)
<egg|zz|egg> bofh: those same folks who were playing the bagpipes, on the channel of the перм opera somehow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zc5OX7AzUqc
<kmath> YouTube - Ensemble Micrologus
<bofh> Huh, neat.
<bofh> (also I wonder if there's anything interesting at the Opéra Garnier,)
<egg|zz|egg> bofh: or at the Большой :-p
<bofh> I mean the answer to that one is "are they playing Щелкунчик", if yes, then I'm attending the *hell* out of it.
<egg|zz|egg> s/\/en//
<Qboid> egg|zz|egg meant to say: bofh: https://www.bolshoi.ru/timetable/
<bofh> Unsurprisingly, they do, but only in December.
<bofh> that being said they *are* playing Il Barbiere di Siviglia which I at least like the music from a lot,
<egg|zz|egg> there's Don Giovanni in early Oct.
<bofh> OH GODS THEY MADE AN OPERA OF GOGOL'S WORKS THIS SOUNDS AMAZING: https://www.bolshoi.ru/performances/7047/
<egg|zz|egg> that reminds me of the fact that I called something "revisor" at work
<egg|zz|egg> sadly I think nobody actually used it
<bofh> rofl perfect
<egg|zz|egg> bofh: yes, there's an opera, but more importantly, there's Tarass Boulba the comic,
<bofh> Oh right good point,
<bofh> (Also that reminds me I need to stock up on Superdupont!,)
<egg|zz|egg> same author
<bofh> Yeah I know :p
<egg|zz|egg> well, same scenarist, mostly different drawer
<egg|zz|egg> although Superdupont is slightly complicated, everything is co-authored/co-drawn
<egg|zz|egg> UmbralRaptop is still confused by https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVyxmzFW0AArBfw.jpg << what is confusing,
<egg|zz|egg> you *could* encode this information in the types,
<UmbralRaptop> Encoding a ball of yarn into types?
<bofh> egg|zz|egg: perfect
<UmbralRaptop> bofh: s/er/urr/
<Qboid> UmbralRaptop thinks bofh meant to say: egg|zz|egg: purrfect
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<bofh> egg|zzz|egg: so once again Comcast is managing to be shittier than ANBOdsl by, like, a lot.
<B787_300> bofh: it is shitcast... what did you expect
<iximeow> UmbralRaptop: *stares in [cat holding knife with devious tail wag]*
<bofh> B787_300: *I* didn't expect anything, but egg commented that the DSL in Villequier is kinda not great, despite it being significantly better than the cable in a fairly msjor part of a well-populated state, :p
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<UmbralRaptop> iximeow: well, stabby cats are on brand, right?
<bofh> I mean, per this channel, yes,
<bofh> https://twitter.com/pjf/status/1040484166565978112 amazed this even needs to be said, wtf.
<kmath> <pjf> Holy fuck people, the solution to someone's chronic health or medical malpractice issues is not "blockchain". 🤦‍♂️
<iximeow> how 2 good pictures of M1
<UmbralRaptop> I suggest maxing out the shuttle's payload capacity >_>
* UmbralRaptop was thinking of Chandra, though HST also works.
<iximeow> hm sounds pricey
<UmbralRaptop> Serious answer: are there emission lines you can eggsploit?
<kmath> <Rainmaker1973> A view of the inner structure of Hurricane Florence https://t.co/GAaZwePuLN https://t.co/8sTgxCwnon
<UmbralRaptop> "melting level" is vaguely ominous. 273 K level?
<bofh> Presumably.
<UmbralRaptop> ah, ice above/rain george below
* UmbralRaptop idly ponders Earth's axial precession, and wonders if that means that Pluto will transit Illinois in 18000 years.
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<bofh> UmbralRaptop: hrm.
<UmbralRaptop> Also, spherical trig is hard >_>
<bofh> AGREED HOLY HELL.
<bofh> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkpHzR5UUAEWupo.jpg:orig gods I miss having good headphones
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<egg|work|egg> !meow whitequark and cats
<kmath> <drydredgers> !!! @PRInstitution is finally creating the GIANT EURYPTERID BODY PILLOW!!! Ask yourselves, who among you has *not*… https://t.co/nldnNaLaBY
* Qboid meows at whitequark and cats
* UmbralRaptop 🔪 sleep
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* UmbralRaptop ⹋ sleep
<bofh> !meow egg|work|egg
* Qboid meows at egg|work|egg
<kmath> <pervognsen> @stephentyrone Where are the Velvel image macros when you need them?
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* UmbralRaptop 🔪 LaTeX in the Unicode support.
<egg|work|egg> "a secret is like a slightly more shelf-stable avocado"
<UmbralRaptop> uh
* UmbralRaptop is in an NP-hard meeting o_O
<egg|work|egg> !pet UmbralRaptop
* Qboid pets UmbralRaptop
<bofh> goddamnit twitter decided that video autoplay needed to become enabled again. was wondering why that site was consuming even more CPU than normal.
<kmath> <stephentyrone> This whole thread is solid, but oh god this one. https://t.co/Yn1cKypuG0
<egg|work|egg> !u ⹋
<Qboid> U+2E4B (⹋)
<egg|work|egg> UmbralRaptop: ?
<egg|work|egg> oh, TRIPLE DAGGER, added in 11
<UmbralRaptop> Yes.
<SnoopJeDi> I was recently delighted to learn about 🄯
<UmbralRaptop> bofh: twidere is the only good twitter =\
<SnoopJeDi> !u 🄯
<Qboid> U+1F12F (🄯)
<SnoopJeDi> oh. COPYLEFT SYMBOL
<UmbralRaptop> Unrelated: apparently of the 34 qualifying exams this semester, there were 18 failures. Also, the highest grade was <80% (all had 5 questions.)
<SnoopJeDi> bofh, heard on the radio about some lady out walking her dog IN A HURRICANE saying "oh I've lived through a bunch of them"
<UmbralRaptop> o_O
<bofh> SnoopJeDi: yikes
<bofh> UmbralRaptop: agreed
<kmath> <bmac_editor> Be sure to stack your cats neatly for best effect. #FelineFriday https://t.co/PDbonkQgxJ
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<egg|work|egg> bofh: cats.
<awang> !tell UmbralRaptop NP-hard meeting?
<Qboid> awang: I'll redirect this as soon as they are around.
<SnoopJeDi> LaTeX, presumably?
* awang should really take some computational geometry classes at some point
<awang> And probably some linalg classes, too
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<UmbralRaptop> So I made an off-talon comment about crying (metaphorically) after getting my qual results, and apparently someone was crying in the bathrooms earlier this week…
<Qboid> UmbralRaptop: awang left a message for you in #kspacademia [14.09.2018 16:29:05]: "NP-hard meeting?"
<UmbralRaptop> awang: silliness with scheduling future meetings during a meeting.
<SnoopJeDi> awang, http://hbpms.blogspot.com is a bookmark worth having
<bofh> UmbralRaptop: welcome to grad school :/
<SnoopJeDi> crying: extremely normal and frankly expected :|
* bofh has wound up crying in the campus bathroom a few times... feh. w/e.
<bofh> https://twitter.com/bofh453/status/1040648152209137668 OH YEAH I COMPLETELY FORGOT ABOUT THIS.
<kmath> <bofh453> This reminds me, when I was walking up to the Moulin de la Galette I wound up taking the Boulevard de Clichy at 3AM… https://t.co/AQXhbP7mXS
<SnoopJeDi> I have shed plenty of tears myself
<bofh> like literally some person was holding an actual, live, well-behaved cat around her neck and walking along.
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<egg|zzz|egg> bofh: meow
<SnoopJeDi> !pet egg|zzz|egg
* Qboid pets egg|zzz|egg
<UmbralRaptop> !pet egg|zzz|egg
* Qboid pets egg|zzz|egg
<egg|zzz|egg> !pet UmbralRaptop
* Qboid pets UmbralRaptop
* UmbralRaptop purrs
<bofh> !pet egg|zzz|egg
* Qboid pets egg|zzz|egg
* UmbralRaptop has been pretty much unable to cry since about age 16. Probably for bad reasons.
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<awang> UmbralRaptop:
<awang> Er
<awang> s/$/Ah, I see
<Qboid> awang meant to say: ErAh, I see
<awang> ...
<awang> SnoopJeDi: ...That look scary :(
<UmbralRaptop> awang: there were ~9 people, so it took a while.
<kmath> <LibertyPrimeUSA> Behold, my favorite heavy metal band! https://t.co/4QQL5hAbD0
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<awang> UmbralRaptop: AAAAAAAA The puns
<kmath> <vandroidhelsing> Times New Roman is like a blurry dick pic from Pliny the Elder.
<SnoopJeDi> LOL
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<UmbralRaptop> awang: puns are good, though
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<Qboid> 3d 0h 0m 0s left to event #28: Horizons 3e & Azerspace 2 (Intelsat 38) / Ariane 5 VA245 [at 2018-09-17 22:00:00]. Say '!kountdown 28' for details
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<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn bofh, whitequark, et al.
* Qboid gives bofh, whitequark, et al. an UTF-2ⁿ [REDACTED]
<bofh> !wpn egg|zzz|egg
* Qboid gives egg|zzz|egg an aluminium fountain pen
<egg|zzz|egg> hm
<egg|zzz|egg> Qboid: give it to bofh or Iskierka, I already have a couple of good fountain pens
<bofh> I mean I'm in need of one,
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<bofh> UmbralRaptop: holy shit that's a personal attack I swear,
<bofh> (gods I want a hug)
<UmbralRaptop> :(
<bofh> so like it's pretty much a permanent thing for me, heh.
<kmath> <stephentyrone> omfg https://t.co/2eaNXoisoV ⏎ ⏎ Is this the apotheosis of All-Star, but ... ?
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<awang> Looks like I need another laptop again
<awang> This one likes to overheat
<UmbralRaptop> egg|zzz|egg: uneasy cat is uneasy
<egg|zzz|egg> uneasy?
<UmbralRaptop> awang: as in causes 1st degree burns?
<UmbralRaptop> egg|zzz|egg: def2 https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/uneasy
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptop: ah, you mean the fact that it's looking back?
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptop: it was looking directly away from me so I made a noise to attract its attention, which prompted it to look at me but not move the rest of the cat
<UmbralRaptop> yeah