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<queqiao->
⟨Champ0220⟩ mechjeb with principia will not launch into proper inclination for the moon is it because im on the wrong "display"
<paculino>
Are you in Florida?
<queqiao->
⟨Champ0220⟩ si
<paculino>
That's your problem
<queqiao->
⟨Champ0220⟩ oh
<queqiao->
⟨kingparity⟩ you can only ascend into moon inclination from florida once every like 200 years i thijk?
<queqiao->
⟨kingparity⟩ try doing something closer to the equator
<queqiao->
⟨Champ0220⟩ but the equatoir only allows a launch during acsending and descending nodes
<queqiao->
⟨Kirk (He/Him)⟩ ⟪Champ0220⟫ but the equatoir only allows a launch […] ⮪ That's more often than never (well, every 20 years)
<queqiao->
⟨kingparity⟩ really?
<queqiao->
⟨Champ0220⟩ oh damn
<queqiao->
⟨Champ0220⟩ so principia obviouslt messes with the inclination
<queqiao->
⟨Champ0220⟩ because perturbation
<queqiao->
⟨Kirk (He/Him)⟩ The moon moves around with principia installed. It only lines up with the cape every few decades
<queqiao->
⟨Champ0220⟩ oh dammit
<queqiao->
⟨Champ0220⟩ so would brownsvill be better?
<queqiao->
⟨Kirk (He/Him)⟩ No, it's at pretty much the same inclination
<queqiao->
⟨Champ0220⟩ huh
<paculino>
French Guiana
<queqiao->
⟨Champ0220⟩ ah oik
<paculino>
I think now there are also Indian launch sites, so those are good too
<queqiao->
⟨Champ0220⟩ ill just try and get it at a ascending/descending node
<queqiao->
⟨Champ0220⟩ but for reference whats a better launch site?
<paculino>
You want the South American KSC, not the North American KSC
<queqiao->
⟨Kirk (He/Him)⟩ French Guiana
<queqiao->
⟨Champ0220⟩ got it
<queqiao->
⟨Kirk (He/Him)⟩ It's the closest to the equator
<queqiao->
⟨Champ0220⟩ got it thank yoiu]\
<paculino>
The moon's orbit's inclination changes. Your launch site (if you want to launch into the orbital plane any day) must not be at a latitude higher than the minimum inclination of the moon's orbit.
<queqiao->
⟨kingparity⟩ ahh that’s where i got the 200 years from i didn’t read the decimal
<paculino>
I think 200 years might also be one of the approximations historically used in predictions
<paculino>
No, the Callippic cycle is 76 years and the Hipparchic cycle is 304 years
<paculino>
The ~18.6 years is around 200 months, maybe that's where you go it from
<queqiao->
⟨Champ0220⟩ sooo
<queqiao->
⟨Champ0220⟩ i have to restart....
<queqiao->
⟨Champ0220⟩ nice
<paculino>
You might be able to get away with making a new save in the correct location and editting the old save using the new save to figure out what to replace
<queqiao->
⟨Farrier⟩ ⟪Champ0220⟫ i have to restart.... ⮪ No, you can use a mod or a kos script
<queqiao->
⟨Champ0220⟩ oh
<queqiao->
⟨Champ0220⟩ im deffinetly smart enough to do that
<paculino>
That will solve getting to the moon, but not launching into plane
<queqiao->
⟨Champ0220⟩ eh i wwas getting behind anyway
<queqiao->
⟨Champ0220⟩ and i want to install somemods
<queqiao->
⟨Farrier⟩ I don’t know why the first advice is to use equatorial sites.
<queqiao->
⟨Champ0220⟩ speaking of which
<queqiao->
⟨Champ0220⟩ whats the difference between test lite and test flight
<queqiao->
⟨Farrier⟩ The mod is Lunar Transfer planet iirc
<queqiao->
⟨Farrier⟩ * planer
<queqiao->
⟨Farrier⟩ * Planner
<paculino>
Test lite and test flight are basically identical now, if you were wondering about those and not thinking of something else. Test flight is older though
<paculino>
(older as in developed for longer, not more out of date)
<queqiao->
⟨Champ0220⟩ ah
<queqiao->
⟨Champ0220⟩ so virtually the sanme
<paculino>
Yes, they both handle pseudorandom failures
<queqiao->
⟨Champ0220⟩ ah ok
<queqiao->
⟨Farrier⟩ You should use the one that comes with the express install. Which is TestFlight last time I checked
<queqiao->
⟨Champ0220⟩ cuz i just switched test flight for test lite
<queqiao->
⟨Champ0220⟩ so oops
<queqiao->
⟨Champ0220⟩ ⟪Farrier⟫ No, you can use a mod or a kos script ⮪ how
<paculino>
Install kos, download one of the scripts, and load/run the script in game
<raptop>
Alternatively: consider the value of curry or baguettes over gators & manatees
<paculino>
The manatees are around both KSCs though
<queqiao->
⟨Champ0220⟩ ⟪raptop⟫ Alternatively: consider the value of […] ⮪ che?
<queqiao->
⟨Champ0220⟩ ima start a new save
<queqiao->
⟨Champ0220⟩ ⟪Kirk (He/Him)⟫ French Guiana ⮪ dont see it
<queqiao->
⟨Kirk (He/Him)⟩ ⟪Champ0220⟫ dont see it ⮪ Kouru
<queqiao->
⟨Champ0220⟩ thanks
<paculino>
Is there a bot command for the "Why you want the KSC in South America, not the one in North America" yet?
<queqiao->
⟨Champ0220⟩ but no more cape :<
<queqiao->
⟨Denwey⟩ Why not just install Lunar Transfer Planner instead of going through the trouble of restarting tho?
<queqiao->
⟨Starmincer⟩ ⟪paculino⟫ Is there a bot command for the "Why you […] ⮪ There exists such a command.
<queqiao->
⟨Starmincer⟩ !lunar-precession
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<queqiao->
⟨egg⟩ ⟪siimav⟫ Huh, cool that Actions can run the […] ⮪ Now we have a job running on a GitHub VM that starts our VM where the actual build jobs run.
<queqiao->
⟨siimav⟩ Now set up nightly.link with the latest build artifact so that people can easily grab the latest & greatest.
<queqiao->
⟨sichelgaita⟩ ⟪siimav⟫ Now set up nightly.link with the latest […] ⮪ Nay, I don't think so. It is not uncommon for HEAD to be not-quite-ready-for-prime time, in particular because some changes straddle multiple PRs. It's fine for the cognoscenti here to build from HEAD and live with the consequences, but I don't want to start supporting random users downloading a version that is untested.
<queqiao->
⟨sichelgaita⟩ Can it be downloaded? When I go in an incognito tab, these are not links.
<queqiao->
⟨sichelgaita⟩ * these be downloaded? When I go in an incognito tab, they
<queqiao->
⟨siimav⟩ Only for logged-in users
<queqiao->
⟨siimav⟩ (which the nightly.link service conveniently bypasses)
<queqiao->
⟨egg⟩ to be honest the linux and mac nightly builds have long been available, and nobody has noticed.
<queqiao->
⟨egg⟩ (well, not really nightly. postmerge. we have the diurnal build, but that is another can of worms.)
<queqiao->
⟨egg⟩ I wager those who will dig up those artefacts are already among the cognoscenti. It is OK to make their lives easier and to not require them to build from HEAD themselves.
<queqiao->
As for those who cannot read through the first sentence of the README, they can continue to be clueless and oblivious to this all.
<raptop>
Just dispose of them in the waters around KSC North
<queqiao->
⟨test_account⟩ there is waypoint manager, there is principia, and there is no console spam
<queqiao->
⟨patrikcath⟩ ⟪Clayel⟫ is waypoint manager still broken for […] ⮪ It's more about prinicipia being broken. iirc it technically replaces the system with a different one that just happens to look identical
<queqiao->
⟨test_account⟩ RSS does that, not principia.
<queqiao->
⟨egg⟩ I have never heard of waypoint manager. If no-one reports bugs they do not exist.
<paculino>
I've never noticed bugs with it
<queqiao->
⟨patrikcath⟩ actually my bad, I got it confused with a completely different mod lmao
<queqiao->
⟨PrinceZola⟩ whats the procedure for performing a burn in principia? do i try following the node? or do i just stay at its initial position after plotting the maneuver? my burns have always been a little bit more than expected for some reason
<queqiao->
⟨Starmincer⟩ Follow the node.
<queqiao->
⟨lpg⟩ click the 'execute principia maneuver' mechjeb button