03:15 <queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ Al₂Me₆ what do you think about this tooltip for the new frame: for low-energy transfers or orbits about the <<nom:3>>–<<nom:2>> Lagrange points.

03:15 <queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ that way even if it is called the reference frame of the Lagrange points of the X-Y system it is not quite as much of a tautology.

03:15 <queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ Though I guess I should really say low-energy transfers to what…

03:16 <queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ Which is messy, because I think SEL is useful for part of some Earth–Moon transfers…

03:19 <queqiao-> ⟨Al₂Me₆⟩ ⟪egg⟫ Which is messy, because I think SEL is […] ⮪ Indeed. I understand that to be exactly how WSB transfers work.

03:21 <queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ ⟪Al₂Me₆⟫ Indeed. I understand that to be exactly […] ⮪ Not really; you have inner low-energy transfers which do not require the help of the Sun.

03:22 <queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ See https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/wiki/A-guide-to-going-to-the-Mun-with-Principia#low-energy-transfer-an-inner-resonance-transfer-1031-ms-2-days-16-h-41-min, or the Roman paper, let me dig it up

03:23 <queqiao-> ⟨Al₂Me₆⟩ Huh, interesting.

03:24 <queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ https://arxiv.org/pdf/1109.5393.pdf Fig. 8

03:25 <queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ > multi-objective optimization (MOO).

03:25 <queqiao-> > 5.1 MOO for Earth-Moon transfersah yes, MOO for EARTHMOO

03:25 <queqiao-> ⟨Al₂Me₆⟩ ⟪egg⟫ Al₂Me₆ (@_discord_721843413456257114:mat[…] ⮪ I think this works. In the end, the frame is for looking at stuff that are affected by Lagrange points, so I suppose there's not really a way around being slightly tautological.

03:26 <queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ Yeah. But it is probably a good idea to point out that this is the one you want for low-energy transfers (whereas for high-energy transfers to the Moon you only want MEO).

03:33 <queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ ⟪Al₂Me₆⟫ Indeed. I understand that to be exactly […] ⮪ Fig. 1 of the roman paper shows you what to look for in the SEL frame in the outer transfers (shown using the gradient rather than the potential)

03:34 <queqiao-> ⟨Al₂Me₆⟩ ⟪egg⟫ Yeah. But it is probably a good idea to […] ⮪ Hm. Perhaps something to the effect of "for viewing orbits which are heavily perturbed by the <<#3>>-<<#2>> system (_e.g._, low-energy transfers and orbits about the Lagrange points)"? It needs 🖋️ 🔨 that I am too sleepy to do tho.

10:37 <queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ https://www.researchgate.net/figure/The-state-space-map-shown-in-Figure-2-reveals-a-wide-variety-of-different-low-energy_fig4_36711030

11:52 <queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ Fig. 1 of the roman paper shows you […] ⮪ hm, no, that is in ECI I think.

20:22 <queqiao-> ⟨Unofficial Aesthetic Inspector⟩ https://matrix.mockingbirdnest.com/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.mockingbirdnest.com/oKvvloyPOtRcPpLUWpFxXvlO/image.png

20:22 <queqiao-> ⟨Unofficial Aesthetic Inspector⟩ Rage inducing moments like this man, now Principia is doing the opposite

20:23 <queqiao-> ⟨Unofficial Aesthetic Inspector⟩ its basing on something completely different FOR WHATEVER reason

20:23 <queqiao-> ⟨Unofficial Aesthetic Inspector⟩ I'm getting sick and tired of having to do a full launch, only to find out Principia put "Duration: 1710.3s" instead of "420s"

20:23 <queqiao-> ⟨Unofficial Aesthetic Inspector⟩ Or "Duration: 0s"

20:23 <queqiao-> ⟨Unofficial Aesthetic Inspector⟩ Like what?

20:33 <queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ Is it the "active engines" mode? are the engines activated and what engines are you using?

21:55 <queqiao-> ⟨Unofficial Aesthetic Inspector⟩ ⟪test_account⟫ Is it the "active engines" mode? are […] ⮪ 3.6kn thruster, that is all

21:55 <queqiao-> ⟨Unofficial Aesthetic Inspector⟩ #missionreports

21:55 <queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ maybe there are some issues with this particular engine 🤔

21:56 <queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ though i didn't have issues with smaller generic thrusters