Althego changed the topic of #KSPOfficial to: Kerbal Space Program official channel | versions: KSP1 1.12.2 bit.ly/ksp112update | Rules: tinyurl.com/KSP-Rules | "modcall" to call ops | Δv maps: https://i.imgur.com/CHVnEeE.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/gBoLsSt.png | Do not visit the hoverliths, for they carry a terrible curse.
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<raptop>
;outcome add You experience several dozen anomalies during launch.
<LunchBot>
raptop: Added outcome: You experience several dozen anomalies during launch.
<raptop>
;mission
<LunchBot>
raptop: You attempt to hijack a fully-fueled and ready-to-launch rocket sitting on the pad. Danny2462 thinks you're crazy.
<raptop>
>P>
<raptop>
<_<
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<bees>
raptop: Instead of adding canards to your aircraft, someone has instead drawn a crude map of Canada. A flock of geese asking for directions delay the launch. This is grossly ethical.
<Althego>
hehe
<XXCoder>
lol
<XXCoder>
;mission
<LunchBot>
XXCoder: You make a vehicle out of physicsless parts. The Kraken pays a surprise visit.
<XXCoder>
surprise? nah
<bees>
XXCoder: You attempt to re-create the Orion mission and synchronise it with the real-world livestream. While you weren't looking, Kerbin's atmosphere gets left behind by the planet's motion.
<Althego>
eh... firefly launch failed
<Althego>
very high up
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<Althego>
oh no, i was watchin ina minacraft from yesterday and i missed hakos live
<Mat2ch>
!mission
<LunchBot>
Mat2ch: You decide to do nothing today. Circus clowns replace your monopropellant with a mixture of unicycles and fake noses.
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<Althego>
lol
<Althego>
because you did nothing. you could have fortrified your position against circus clowns
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<Mat2ch>
Althego: btw, did you see the Firefly launch? They did go sideways...
<Mat2ch>
in Kerbal style!
<Althego>
hehe
<Althego>
in replay only
<Althego>
i missed both of the explosive launches
<Althego>
because they were too late
<Althego>
or to early not sure
<Althego>
and i tried to watch the astra the first time and thre was a scrub, and for the next one i was too tired to stay up
<Althego>
the firefly was even more interesting
<Althego>
but didnt want to wake up around 3
<Mat2ch>
I only watch the replays of them, too, if they're too late
<Althego>
partly fault of irys
<Althego>
because she starts stream usually around 5
<Althego>
and that is why i am so tired
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<darsie>
1337
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<sandbox>
1337
<Althego>
we could have a perpetual rolling leet hourly if there were enough people (1 in each time zone)
<TwistenX>
even though they worked with Musk in building the Tesla
<Althego>
blue origin orbital rockets: 0. spacex: 3.5 (falcon 1, falcon 9, flacon heavy, starship)
<TwistenX>
true
<Althego>
also first full flow stage combustion engien ever flown
<TwistenX>
i also don't see Blue Origin making a new rocket every few weeks
<Althego>
how many new shepards they have?
<TwistenX>
15
<TwistenX>
As of June 2021
<Althego>
that is a lot
<Althego>
for one launch every few months
<TwistenX>
The first was built in November tho
<Althego>
they could get by with one
<TwistenX>
of 2105
<TwistenX>
2015*
<Althego>
i think spacex has fewer boosters, and they launch into orbit, and can do it every two weeks
<TwistenX>
that's cause they have reusability skill
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<Izaya>
SpaceX installed StageRecovery
<Althego>
kikkerikii
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<TwistenX>
h
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<TwistenX>
communism or capitalism
<Althego>
communism doesnt work
<Althego>
capitalism is horrible
<TwistenX>
yeah both are bad
<Althego>
and this is where we stop
<TwistenX>
stop what
<Althego>
no politics
<TwistenX>
ok
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<raptop>
mrrf
<TwistenX>
ok
<TwistenX>
Elon Musk is definitely the most degenerate Millennial in the world, change my mind
<raptop>
...
<TwistenX>
can you?
<raptop>
1) Humans by in large do not consist of things like metals, so the whole "room temperature/pressure exhibiting electron degeneracy" isn't a thing
<raptop>
2) He was born in 1971 (gen x)
<TwistenX>
1) that's not what i meant
<TwistenX>
2) Gen X isn't millennial?
<raptop>
No
<TwistenX>
o
<TwistenX>
well then let me rephrase
<TwistenX>
Elon Musk is the most "Gen Z-like" Gen X in the world. Change my mind.
<raptop>
Using the defs proposed by Strauss & Howe: (1901-1924); Silent Generation (1925-1942); Baby Boom Generation (1943-1960); Generation X (1961-1981); Milenial Generation (1982-2004)
<raptop>
I believe that the consensus has pushed around a number of those by a few years (in particular millenials ending in like 1996)
<TwistenX>
bruh
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<TwistenX>
What's Gen Z?
<TwistenX>
(2005 - 2017?)
<TwistenX>
because there's a Gen Alpha now
<raptop>
Unclear exactly where the line between z and α is
<raptop>
Give it another decade?
<TwistenX>
ok
<TwistenX>
but still, can you change my mind
<Azander>
so besides birthdate what defines these "gen"s ?
<TwistenX>
i guess nothing besides birthdate
<TwistenX>
or maybe
<Azander>
They birthdate is factual. No way to compare to a different Gen group
<raptop>
birth dates and the associated events, economic and political conditions, etc
<Althego>
elon is not even am illenial lol
<TwistenX>
Gens are basically Eras and Ages
<Azander>
By the definitiion above I'm Gen X
<TwistenX>
Like we could call the Space Age the Space Era, or the Space Generation
<raptop>
My semi-serious description would be: Boomers don't remember WW2, Xers don't remember Kennedy, Millenials don't remember Vietnam, Zoomers don't remember the Cold War. (presumably α won't remember the War On Terror(tm))
<Althego>
however i try i cant get this knife to have a usable edge
<TwistenX>
By the definition above, I'm a Gen Z
<X>
I’m also generally X.
<raptop>
Althego: ...stabbing things?
<TwistenX>
he speaks
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<Althego>
no, it is a common knife
<TwistenX>
used for stabbing things
<Althego>
doesnt even cut tomatos anymore
<TwistenX>
that must be a VERY dull knife
<raptop>
and/or soft tomatoes
<Althego>
probably older than me
<TwistenX>
it's probably dull enough to be used as a fish stunner if you go fishing
<TwistenX>
you just smack it on the head and the fish stops moving
<TwistenX>
you'd probably kill it though, instead of stunning it
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<TwistenX>
I hope KSP2 has a Raptor-Equivalent Liquid Fuel Engine
<raptop>
It would probably be straightforward enough to add, given that KSP1 has an off-brand SSME
<TwistenX>
And the KS-25 Engine is EXTREMELY over-powered, too.
<Althego>
small area high thrust
<TwistenX>
Yes
<raptop>
It's a size-2 engine stat-wise
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<Althego>
also high gimbal angle
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<Althego>
i like to use it for eve sacent behicles, it performs well
<TwistenX>
I also hope that if they add a Raptor Engine, it has a sea-level and vacuum configuration
<raptop>
probably *gestures vaguely at the LV-T30 and T45*
<TwistenX>
The Swivel and Reliant engines would be great for a small-scale Starship
<TwistenX>
the only problem is
<TwistenX>
making a superheavy booster at the same scale
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<TwistenX>
wait, does the superheavy's raptors have gimbal?
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<TwistenX>
i think they do
<Althego>
the center ones
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<Althego>
the side oens are too closely packed
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<TwistenX>
i see
<TwistenX>
maybe you could make the engines all swivels
<TwistenX>
but lock the gimbal on the outer engines
<TwistenX>
but that's still a lot of engines
<TwistenX>
i dont know if you'd be able to fit 29 or 32 swivels in a 3.75m diameter
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<packbart>
fwiw, I'm a 1st generation Digital Native :) born 1976, I don't remember a life without "personal computers" in the house
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<TwistenX>
do you guys think the devs will fix the symmetry glitch in KSP2?
<Althego>
i was born later but i do
<Althego>
we didnt even have a phone. you know wired one
<packbart>
TwistenX: maybe. KSP2 will have a completely new set of bugs ;)
<TwistenX>
did you know ksp2 will not only have destructible buildings...
<TwistenX>
BUT DESTRUCTIBLE TERRAIN
<packbart>
KSP 1 already has. ask that danny guy
<TwistenX>
not like that
<TwistenX>
not spaghetti-fying the planet
<TwistenX>
i mean you can create craters
<packbart>
that sounds interesting
<TwistenX>
yes
<TwistenX>
have any of you ever built your own capsule in ksp?
<TwistenX>
like
<TwistenX>
building it out of fairing pieces, disabling the fairing stage, and putting EVA seats inside
<packbart>
I've returned to KSP in the last week. seen everything in Elite Dangerous that is to see, I guess. been playing on a GTA RP server some nights, too, but most of the players are in the wrong timezone
<packbart>
TwistenX: two of my favourite KSP streamers often do that (jakeinaboat, backslashjack). I just don't have the knack for making it as aesthetic, I guess
<packbart>
EJ ist too loud, I don't like watching him, tbh
<packbart>
and linuxgurugamer likes working on mods more than playing KSP, he said ;)
<TwistenX>
hm
<packbart>
jake uses SSTU. that mod just has too many options for my taste but it can build almost anything from basic parts
<packbart>
and they are not afraid of clipping things
<packbart>
a mod with extensibly customizable parts - https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/117090-wip18x-sstulabs-low-part-count-solutions-orbiters-landers-lifters-dev-thread-11-18-18/
<TwistenX>
oh
<TwistenX>
i can't download mods for KSP anyway because i play on console :, )
<packbart>
oh, I see
<raptop>
huh, I guess no custum flags or mods for you
<raptop>
er, wait, you said no mods
<TwistenX>
i really need to get the money to download it onto my PC
<TwistenX>
i can pay for the game, but not the game and the two DLCs
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<TwistenX>
did you know that if you eat 40'000 bananas in 10 minutes you would die of radiation poisoning
<Althego>
hehe
<Althego>
probably not even then
<TwistenX>
idk
<Althego>
there was an xkcd radiation chart
<Althego>
bananas are tiny
<TwistenX>
potassium has a small amount of a certain type of radiation that dies out quickly
<TwistenX>
and bananas have loads of potassium
<Althego>
it is bad for any radiation if you get it from the inside
<Althego>
but still, bananas are barely radioactive
<TwistenX>
BARELY
<TwistenX>
but they still are
<packbart>
I'd wager that you'd die before reaching 40k bananas
<TwistenX>
yeah but what if you have an infinite stomach
<darsie>
40,000 bananas contain about 15 kg potassium. 0.012 mol% are 40-K or 4.6 mol. With a half life of 1.251E9 years that's 49 MBq. In about 89.28% of events, it decays to calcium-40 (40Ca) with emission of a beta particle (β−, an electron) with a maximum energy of 1.31 MeV and an antineutrino. Idk how much energy the antineutrino carries away, so I'll go with half that energy and get 4.5 µSv/s.
<darsie>
That's 2.7 mSv in 10 min. A single full-body CT scan is 10-30 mSv. One of us is wrong.
<Althego>
but twinsenx has quit already
<darsie>
Wait, Sv is J/kg, and a human has 70 kg. So divide by 70.
<darsie>
Yes, but I'm storing the message here for when he comes back.
<darsie>
That's one issue with bogus claims. It takes too much time to refute them in a discussion instantly.
<darsie>
often
<Althego>
unless you are already prepared
<darsie>
Hmm, he didn't say you'd die in 10 minutes, but eat them in 10 minutes. How long is the potassium supposed to remain in the body?
<packbart>
and then they'll just divert to another argument
<Althego>
more than 10 minutes
* packbart
spent some time in Ufo and conspiracy groups on Usenet many years ago
<Althego>
i was debating creationists on mailing lists some 20 years ago
<packbart>
it's fun when you can demonstrate that two of their arguments cannot be true at the same time but need to for their theory to work
<packbart>
mental implosions follow
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<darsie>
How long does the potassium stay in the body if you eat 4 tons of bananas in 10 minutes and you don't die ...
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