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<TwistenX> starship but the raptors are reliant sand swivel engines moment
<umbralraptop> Ah, 1970-style SSTOs
<TwistenX> remember when those existed?
<TwistenX> i dont
<TwistenX> i wasnt alive
<umbralraptop> Only on paper, but this is a comment on the tech levels implied by the LV-T30 and LV-T45
<TwistenX> the most advanced engines for a beginner kerbonaut playing career for the first time
<umbralraptop> Well, only LFEs at those points
<TwistenX> true, gotta remember the BACC Thumper, the Flea, and the Hammer SRBs.
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<umbralraptop> yeah
<TwistenX> what are the LV-T30 and 45's real life counterparts
<TwistenX> ?
<umbralraptop> It's ambiguous, in part given the way the LV-T30 was the initial engine in the first public versions of the game
<umbralraptop> I assume that they correspond with something in the eg: H-1, RS-27, RS-56, etc family
<TwistenX> ohhh
<umbralraptop> Exact engine appearance might not, but they clearly exist in a similar role
<TwistenX> yeah, they're essentially a raptor
<TwistenX> but they came way before it was announced or built
<TwistenX> the LV-T's also don't run on Methane or Full Flow Combustion
<TwistenX> It's cool how KSP2 will have more materials too
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<TwistenX> It should be the Sün
<TwistenX> not Kerbol
<umbralraptop> eh
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<TwistenX> it makes sense
<umbralraptop> I guess umlauts everywhere is something different from k-syndrome
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<Dman979> umbralraptop hi
<TwistenX> hello Dman979
* Dman979 leaves 30s to 2 minutes later
<umbralraptop> hrm
<Dman979> Howdy, Twisten
<TwistenX> Ah, a fellow American
<Dman979> Indeed
<TwistenX> You know what they say in America, "In thrust, we Trust"
<Dman979> E Pluribus Boomen
<TwistenX> I think that went a little overboard with the Super Heavy
<Dman979> How do I get my mod perms again?
<Dman979> It's been ages since I was last here
* umbralraptop wonders if there are any convenient LR105 or XLR89 models for comparison
<umbralraptop> well, hopefully you've registered with nickserv
<Dman979> Oh yeah
<Dman979> that was a *long* time ago
<TwistenX> I already know you guys wouldn't trust me with mod perms
<umaxtu> they don't trust me either, and I've been here for years
<Dman979> We barely trust TheKosmonaut, so don't feel too bad
<TwistenX> Im a 13 year old, there's no place where I deserve mod perms
* umbralraptop stares at chanserv flags. When did I get +S?
* TwistenX wonders since when there was flags
<umaxtu> since before you were born
<TwistenX> Before 2008?
<TwistenX> The internet is old man
* Dman979 reminds TwistenX that sharing personal information on the internet is a bad idea
* TwistenX shrugs it off and continues to build his first Starship attempt.
<TwistenX> Dman979: I've already told everyone my age, I don't really care if people know my DOB
<Dman979> O.o
<TwistenX> A lot of things happened here
<Dman979> I cannot stress enough that you really, really should not share personal information on the internet
<TwistenX> I actually started a "war" in the first year I was here
<umaxtu> TwistenX, having just attended an infosec conference, I can assure you that sharing any personal info is a bad idea
<TwistenX> Dman979: I understand that
<Dman979> umaxtu that's why I share random facts that are wrong, to throw people off the trail
<Dman979> My grandfather did that until he died at the ripe old age of 18
<TwistenX> The war I started was whether the Imperial or Metric Measurement System was better
<TwistenX> Althego was one of the only few people who was full-Imperial
<Dman979> Obviously, the answer is:
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<Dman979> Now, where were we?
<umaxtu> Dman979, I was showing off my GrrCon badge.
<TwistenX> mmmmm badge
<Dman979> Hmm
<TwistenX> i want a badg
<Dman979> Badges?
<Dman979> Badges?
<Dman979> We don't need no stinking badges!
<TwistenX> Well, why not, sir? Surely they are needed!
<umbralraptop> Obviously you need half your mass in medals
<umaxtu> the other half being the free beer
<TwistenX> i can't drink beer :)
<Dman979> Try hydrazine
<TwistenX> Is that legal and is it safe
<umbralraptop> consdier: barq's or hires
<Dman979> It's allowed in the rules, and the only known side effects are developing an evil twin with a goatee
<TwistenX> MMMMMM
<TwistenX> SEEMS SAFE ENOUGH
<Dman979> But that's probably before your time, too
<Dman979> I prefer sasparilla
<TwistenX> Barq's has rally good Root Beer
<Dman979> The carcinogens really bring out the kick
<Dman979> Oh jeez
<TwistenX> ?
<Dman979> Are we done with metric/imperial and moving to A&W vs. Barqs?
<Dman979> Sarsaparilla was root beer before root beer was root beer.
<Dman979> But it causes cancer.
<TwistenX> O
<TwistenX> GOOD TO K OW
<TwistenX> know*
* umbralraptop slaps a prop 65 warning on the sarspilla
<TwistenX> 👍
<Dman979> This IRC chat contains chemicals known in the State of California to cause cancer
<TwistenX> o no
<TwistenX> MY KERBALS IN THE VAB ARE LAGGING MY XBOX :(
<Dman979> Twisten, do you have a forum account?
<TwistenX> KSP CONSOLE IS PAIN
<TwistenX> Dman, used to, it's unused now
<Dman979> go on
<TwistenX> "simon7495t"
<TwistenX> i had a plan for making KSP but 2D
<TwistenX> then I remembered I'm not good enough at programming yet
<Dman979> KSP was 2d originally
<TwistenX> KSP2D officially cancelled until further notice
<TwistenX> wait really?
<Dman979> Yep
<umbralraptop> unity is odd though
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<Izaya> there are several 2D rocket building / orbital mechanics games, fwiw
<Izaya> I remember there being a neat one on Android
<TheKosmonaut> umbralraptop: You got S when I got F i believe
<TwistenX> SpaceFlight Simulqtor is EPIC
<TheKosmonaut> anyway, I need to sort out some FLAGS
<TwistenX> HE SPEAKS
* TwistenX kneels
<Dman979> Ai, ai! TheKosmonaut pftagn!
<TwistenX> Anyways
<TwistenX> Spaceflight Simulator is just like the KSP2D I planned on making
<TwistenX> but SFS has less parts and it has the RSS
<Dman979> Woo!
<TwistenX> Dman has officially become
<TheKosmonaut> TwistenX: I did not speak
<TheKosmonaut> I am
<TwistenX> A S C E N D E D
<Dman979> Now I am become +o, destroyer of worlds
<TheKosmonaut> Dman979: +Oo *
<TwistenX> everyone fears him
<umbralraptop> TheKosmonaut: so I just need to start assasinating people to become the founder?
<TwistenX> for they do not know his true power
<Althego> oh no, chaos cant be this cute
<TwistenX> bro
<TwistenX> you literally
<TheKosmonaut> umbralraptop: I guess, I would need to disconnect entirely from Esper for a few months for you to take my F
<TwistenX> ruined it
<umbralraptop> Althego: that sounds like a new vtuber
<TheKosmonaut> AFAIK you could try to ban me but I still can unban via chanserv
<TwistenX> smört
<TwistenX> 🧠
<TheKosmonaut> :smoothbrain: indeed
<Dman979> We had this conversation before, Kosmo
<TheKosmonaut> Dman979: Which one, we have like 3 types of conversations
<TwistenX> this is most active this channel has been since I joined like (proceeds to do math) 2 years ago or something i don't rememebrr
<TheKosmonaut> 2 of them being sea-shanty related
<Dman979> Don't mind it, Twisten, we're going to leave in 30s to 2 minutes
<TheKosmonaut> Channel ded. Long live the channel
<TwistenX> Oh, when the wellerman comes-
* umbralraptop slaps Dman979 around with a pike
<TheKosmonaut> WE’LL BE ALLLLL RIGHT
<TwistenX> YEAHHHH
<Dman979> IF THE WIND WAS IN OUR SAILS
<TwistenX> WHAT HAVE I DONE
<TwistenX> what is leave in 30s in 2 minutes
<umbralraptop> I finally snapped: https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/204888-why-do-people-keep-on-hopping-in-the-irc-saying-at-most-hi-and-then-leaving-30s-to-2-minutes-later/&tab=comments#comment-4033369
<Dman979> I mean, I *did* say this was an alternative to discord
<TheKosmonaut> Dman979:LEAVE ‘ER JOHNNY LEAVE ‘ER
<Dman979> OH THE YEAR WAS 1778
<TheKosmonaut> HOW I WISH I WAS IN SHERBROOKE NNNOOOOW
<Dman979> A LETTER OF MARQUE CAME FROM THE KING
<TheKosmonaut> TO THE SCUMMIEST VESSEL I’VE EVER SEEN
<TwistenX> oh dear
<Dman979> GOSH DARN THEM ALL
<TheKosmonaut> I WAS TOOOOLD
<TheKosmonaut> WE’D CRUISE THE SEAS FOR AMERICAN GOLD
<TheKosmonaut> WE’D FIRE NO GUNS
<TheKosmonaut> SHED NO TEEEEEAAAARS
* TwistenX takes a screenshot and puts it in the KSP IRC Chat Moments
<Dman979> SHED NO TEARS
<umaxtu> what are you two smoking?
<TheKosmonaut> NOW IMMA BROKEN MAN ON THE HALIFAX PIER
<Dman979> THE LAST OF BARRETTS PRIVATEERS
* umbralraptop wouldn't expect many US ships to go privateering on for another, uh, 25-30 years
<Dman979> OH EL CID BARRETT CRIED THE TOWN
<TwistenX> umaxtu: they're singing sea shanties
<TheKosmonaut> umbralraptop: The privateers in the song?
<TheKosmonaut> I would guess it’s about the privateering for Spanish ships bringing gold
<TheKosmonaut> 1780s was mostly Brits against the Spaniards in that regard
<Dman979> Uh
<Dman979> No.
<Dman979> There was a revolution happening
<Dman979> But the historical accuracy of the song isn't really the point here
<TheKosmonaut> Dman979: Oh *THAT*
<TheKosmonaut> I forgot about that
<Dman979> The point is that I'M A BROKEN MAN ON A HALIFAX PIER
<umaxtu> any, night everyone
<TheKosmonaut> umaxtu: Where ya think yer goin
<umbralraptop> TheKosmonaut: ah, I was thinking of the stuff in the napoleonic wars
<umbralraptop> umaxtu: it's not even midnight!
<TwistenX> It's 9 o clock, clowns
<TheKosmonaut> It is too bad privateering was “gone” by the 1860s
<TheKosmonaut> Could have had Yankee vs Dixie pirates
* umbralraptop waves from UT-4
<TwistenX> New York Yankees
<TheKosmonaut> TwistenX: Timezones, how do they work
<TwistenX> Timezones don't exist
<TheKosmonaut> Nearly 1300 here
<Dman979> Technically, the U.S. Congress can still issue letters of marque
<Dman979> And since there's still pirates around the horn of africa...
<Althego> ah timezones, i have a bit of a backlog of flat earth videos
<Dman979> NOW I'M A BROKEN MAN ON A MOGADISHU PIER
<TheKosmonaut> Dman979: Pirates round the horn probably dont care about the Treaty of Pair
<TheKosmonaut> Paris*
<Dman979> Which one?
<TheKosmonaut> Then again, the US didn’t either AFAIK
<TheKosmonaut> Dman979: Congress should send privateers out. The PoTC team is probably running out of material by now
<TheKosmonaut> Pirates of the Caribbean XXVII: Jack’s still here?
<Dman979> I think the pi rate of the caribbean is something like 22:7
<TheKosmonaut> Pirates of the Caribbean XXIV: Miami Vice
<TheKosmonaut> I’m into it
<TwistenX> oh
<TwistenX> my
<TwistenX> god
<Althego> lol
<TwistenX> what the hell happened here
<TheKosmonaut> Jack Sparrow has a cigarette boat and rams it into a submarine, jumps in through the loading hatches and commandeers it
<TwistenX> I LEAVE FOR 20 MINUTES
<Dman979> We're gonna dive this sub to Davy Jones' locker
* umbralraptop looks at TheKosmonaut's timezone and ponders
<TheKosmonaut> umbralraptop I do run a brewery so
<umbralraptop> Bah, most of indonesia is elsewhere
<TwistenX> umbralraptop i thought i already told everyone timezones don't exist
* umbralraptop threatens to use TAI for everything
<TwistenX> its just made up by the government so they don't have to pay txes
<Althego> they exist, but they area human concept, changed on a whim
<TwistenX> yeah but so *dies of cough*
* TheKosmonaut moves that the world as a whole moves to UNIX time
<TheKosmonaut> “Hey what time is it?”
<TheKosmonaut> *takes a deep breath*
<TwistenX> o no
<Althego> hehehe
<TwistenX> COVER YOUR EARS
<Althego> no, it is just long
<Althego> we can shorten it by using hexadecimals :)
<TwistenX> must be
<TwistenX> it's been like 2 minutes of him typing
<Althego> or simply dropping the first digits
<umbralraptop> unix time does something silly with leap seconds IIRC
<TwistenX> UNIVERSAL TIME SUPREMACY
<Althego> the evil leap seconds
<Althego> and the fact gps doesnt adjust for them
<Althego> why must we make time so complicated?
<TwistenX> just follow one time zone
<Dman979> The time is now 1631938070
<TheKosmonaut> I was writing something down but then I realized that by the time I finished it, it was wrong
<TwistenX> RELATIVE TO WHAT, DMAN?!
<TheKosmonaut> Or we can do Swatch’s Beats
<TheKosmonaut> That’s GMT in Unix
<Althego> obviously 1970
<TheKosmonaut> huh Swatch Still has a page for .beat
<TwistenX> å
<TwistenX> If you ever feel useless, just remember, the "Clamp-O-Tron Shielded Docking Port" has a FREAKING ANTENNA.
<XXCoder> Althego: sadly universe arent clockwork, so gonna be complicated as long as we want to align time with universe constrants, like orbit time or rotation time
<TwistenX> INTERNET
<TwistenX> he's gone
<TwistenX> wow
<Dman979> I remain
<umbralraptop> Can it use the antenna passively for probe range?
<umbralraptop> Anyway, I still stand by TAI is the closest thing to the One True Time system, but we are unfortuantely trapped on the surface of a spinning spheroid
<umbralraptop> So, UTC, LST, JD, etc are of value
<Althego> move to venus, spins slower
<packbart> or just speed up the Earth every now and then
<packbart> stupid moon slows us down
<TwistenX> Venus hardly spins, relatively to the Sun
<packbart> yoco - you only clock once
<Althego> hehe
<umbralraptop> packbart: and that approach to leap seconds is *why* unix time is bad
<TwistenX> wöw
<Althego> hah, after the unit wars, we arrived to the time wars
<Althego> is this new?
<TwistenX> i'm not sure
<TwistenX> ive taken like 3 breaks from IRC
<TwistenX> the nose of my starship looks a little...
<TwistenX> ord
<TwistenX> odd*
<umbralraptop> Althego: hm, next we need to fight over the kilogram I guess
<Althego> the original one?
<TwistenX> finally a war i didn't start
<Althego> the physical chunk of metal
<Althego> wasnt it platinum or something?
<TwistenX> idk
<umbralraptop> I think initially defined as a volume of water, than as that platinum-iridium bar, and most recently something complicated with a watt-balance I think
<TwistenX> dumb scientists always changing everything smh
<Althego> finally
<Althego> they did that so it is unchanging
<Althego> a constant
<Althego> the physical mass was always chaning
<umbralraptop> ^
<TwistenX> meh, there's other things they need to stop changing and keep constant
<packbart> [The kg] is defined by taking the fixed numerical value of the Planck constant h to be 6.62607015×10−34 when expressed in the unit J⋅s, which is equal to kg⋅m2⋅s−1, where the metre and the second are defined in terms of c and ΔνCs
<umbralraptop> All hail planck's constant
<Althego> hail sagan
<packbart> The framerate of the universe.
<packbart> oh wait, that's planck time. a different thing, I think
<TwistenX> o
<TwistenX> ok
<packbart> 1.8549×10^43 fps
<packbart> not bad
<umbralraptop> Quite the videocard
<TwistenX> thats more than my xbox has rn
<TwistenX> GOD THE LANDING LEGS ARE SO SPRINGY AND BAD
<Althego> landing legs on the xbox?
<TwistenX> NO YOU GAHHHHHHHH
<TwistenX> YOU ALWAYS DO THA
<TwistenX> T
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<TwistenX> the ksp landing legs are garbage
* umbralraptop wonders if there's something in advanced tweakables
<TwistenX> i have that activated
<Dman979> Try downloading a mod, that might help :D
<TwistenX> The spring and damper seem to be problem
<TwistenX> Dman: I'm going to cry
<packbart> hm. tbh, I didn't have much trouble with landing legs
<packbart> maybe you use too few or too many? :)
<TwistenX> 8 landing legs for a 241 ton craft?
<TwistenX> nah
<Althego> you can change the spring and damper settings
<Althego> also use landing gear instead, they have way higehr tolerances
<packbart> yeah, 241 ton might be a bit heavy for 8 legs
<packbart> they'd compress the springs down to the core
<packbart> neutronium legs
<TwistenX> Yeah but Starship
<TwistenX> so idc i'm gonna ignore u cuz i don't know what i'm doing
<packbart> use KAL controller to amp the damping up to 11(thousand) ;)
<TwistenX> hackr
<TwistenX> I WAS ABOUT TO FLIP MY LID
<TwistenX> I THOUGHT MY XBOX CRASHED FROM ME BUILDING A FAIRING
<TwistenX> My Starship and SuperHeavy Test Vehicle has exactly 420 parts. Nice. 👍
<TwistenX> It's also 70m tall, like the real Starship.
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* TheKosmonaut didn’t know people still play console KSP
<umbralraptop> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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<TwistenX> off-topic: should i remaster Sonic.EXE?
<darsie> .
<TwistenX> i assume you're gonna say it's not even that scary
<TwistenX> and i agree
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<TwistenX> also who is kefka? i feel like they're before my time
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<packbart> I've heard of Kafka but I never had to deal with their output
<packbart> although the movie Brazil was said to be "kafkaesque"
<packbart> 27B-6
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<packbart> Authorization for Repairs of Domestic Living Quarters by Licensed Repair Technicians
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<exeller_> is the very stupid game of the world
<exeller_> æ
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<XXCoder> ;mission
<LunchBot> XXCoder: You land on Mun using winglets on decouplers. You realize that your emergency banana supply has been depleted.
<XXCoder> dammnit shouldnt have used banana fuel rocket engine
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<Guest91888> hi guys having troubles with asteroid indirect mission 2 finding law
<Guest91888> klaw
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<darsie> .
<Althego> the usual business
<darsie> 1337
<darsie> 1338
<darsie> *
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<Althego> bird...
<Althego> kikkerikii
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<Guest24689> yo
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<umbralraptop> huh, ocean theamed collab with ina, gura, marine, and aqua
<umbralraptop> 47 seconds
<umaxtu> not great, not terrible
* umbralraptop sighs and grabs the high range dosimeter
<Althego> but there are also 4 small animated episodes
<Althego> which are funny
<Althego> but as ina said, her voice acting needs work
<Althego> she sounded like she was reading a book
<Althego> while marine was natural
<umbralraptop> hm
* umbralraptop suspects that my japanese is still insufficient to really follow them
<Althego> subtitles are in both languages
<Althego> also. it's over inakin, i have the high ground
<bees> what are you talking about
<bees> is that some... *arms nukular warheads* weebery?
<Althego> fake anime girls on the internet
<Althego> let's see how big australian space sings
<Althego> hehe starts with sailor moon op
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<flayer> can you use 'ground effect' physics in KSP?
<umbralraptop> As best I'm aware, KSP's aero model doesn't have the ground effect
<Althego> not in the base game
<Althego> i dont know maybe far supports it
<Althego> or there may be a separate mod
<Althego> https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/183500-13-111-ground-effect/
<Althego> seems to be updated a year ago
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<flayer> ah, i don't think i can be bothered with more mods
<flayer> i'll leave it, it was just a curiosity
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<flayer> but i am still going to build a huge amphibious hover base for laythe
<flayer> or maybe even eve
<Althego> unfolding water base
<Althego> the inflatable heat shields float well. or rather everything floats in ksp
<bees> and then you have ore tanks.
<Althego> basically required for submarines, because of the floatiness
<bees> that want to belong to planet core
<Althego> space is drawing
<Althego> but i am going to sleep
<umbralraptop> Is sleep real?
* flayer prods umbralraptop
* umbralraptop is prodded
<flayer> i think you're fake
<flayer> i am talking to a person in another channel who is convinced that everyone she talks to on irc is robert pattinson
<flayer> i'm really not sure what's real anymore at this point
<umbralraptop> I mean, I'm not real
<umbralraptop> you probably are
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<packbart> As the artist formerly known as Prince put it, "you don't have to be real to be my girl"
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<TwistenX> just got done watching VAOS' stream
<TwistenX> expanded on the Duna Colony a little bit
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<packbart> Tourist splashdown. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpFKNNl47AM
<umbralraptop> Quindar tones in 2021, I guess
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<TwistenX> :)
<TwistenX> a
<umbralraptop> あ
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<packbart> umbralraptop: they explained it with "making the astronauts pay attention to an incoming transmission"
<packbart> and of course they play on the Apollo popularity
<umbralraptop> hm
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