<LunchBot>
funkenstein: You fall asleep during your rocket launch. Scolar_Visari no longer recognizes you as a Son (and/or Daughter) of Kerbin.
<funkenstein>
;mission
<LunchBot>
funkenstein: You try your newly discovered "flubber" as a different form of lithobraking. You break math.
<funkenstein>
seems about right
<SporkWitch>
Mat2ch: das keyboard 4q, so yeah, i'm leaning towards the keyboard; gskill isn't known for shoddy work and the memory's only been in use for just over a year. too much of a coincidence we'll see, though. worst case i return the keyboard and just get another 4 pro (what i replaced; enter and spacebar were starting to go, with enter randomly doing double-activations, and spacebar randomly not
<SporkWitch>
activating)
<SporkWitch>
funkenstein: that 113 join is probably due to a netsplit
<raptop>
IRC's decentralization occasionally has quirks
<SporkWitch>
basically, one of the servers in this IRC network lost connection to one or more of the others, resulting in the users on the isolated segments seeing the other disconnect. once the server rejoins th network, you see it as a join
<SporkWitch>
and i can confirm there was a netsplit earlier today
<funkenstein>
cool
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<packbart>
in today's game lingo: "instancing problems" ;)
<funkenstein>
not sure what that means either
<SporkWitch>
not sure that's an accurate comparison, since instances are largely isolated
<funkenstein>
I have 282 science from around the KSC. is that the most i can get?
<SporkWitch>
if an instance crashes, those players are completely disconnected; in a netsplit, the users on either side of the split can continue to communicate, they just can't talk across the split
<packbart>
yeah, it was kinda a lame joke. I had just read some article about peer2peer game synchronization earlier
<funkenstein>
that makes sense
<SporkWitch>
oh, you mean "please lagswitch" games?
<funkenstein>
unless you're a mathematician, in which case it's trivial
<packbart>
nah, the difference in realities experienced by players when things move faster than the protocol can sync them
<funkenstein>
;outcome add Your craft becomes completely entangled in the Quantum
<LunchBot>
funkenstein: Added outcome: Your craft becomes completely entangled in the Quantum
<SporkWitch>
i don't recall the total amount of science you can get from around the KSC, but there's a LOT of biomes, you can probably get a couple thousand on default settings
<packbart>
like in GTA V, players in the same car can see the car crashing through a light pole and not at the same time
<packbart>
or Elite where one pilot sees someone hit a target and another pilot sees the same shots go astray
<funkenstein>
packbart like when I'm playing COD and I clearly shot someone twice in the head but their killcam shows me facing the other direction still
<SporkWitch>
GTAV is probably a poor example. It uses servers, AFAIK, but allows some desync to make driving playable
<SporkWitch>
GTAV is also just weird and buggy sometimes lol
<packbart>
it depends on the server, I think. I only played the FiveM stuf, not GTA V Online
<packbart>
and that one is supposed to use some sort of p2p sync and chooses a "master" peer
<packbart>
sooo... which method will KSP 2 use for multi-player? :)
<SporkWitch>
foiled, don't have the gta5 clip uploaded to youtube lol. i have a great one where i'm driving on a clear, straight road and my car just randomly leaps into the air and does a bunch of flat spins lol
<SporkWitch>
packbart: KSP2 multiplayer will be kraken-powered
<packbart>
funkenstein: if you ever get tired of collecting the KSC mini-biome science, there's https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/169690-112x-kei-kerbin-environmental-institute/
<SporkWitch>
packbart: ... i demand all those hours of my life back lol
<SporkWitch>
i will also never stop being entertained by the fact that linuxgurugamer doesn't use linux
<SporkWitch>
hmmm, think it might actually e the software itself; killed the application to manage the keyboard and astroneer hasn't crashed since... was consistently crashing within 5-10 minutes
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<packbart>
"Used to be moderately buggy, now feels extremely buggy"
<packbart>
added to Steam wishlist, anyway :)
<SporkWitch>
what game? lol
<raptop>
^
<packbart>
the top negative review for Astroneer on Steam
<SporkWitch>
ah
<SporkWitch>
i got it ages ago, it's kind of fun, though not amazing
<SporkWitch>
i've just been doing lots of game hopping, as nothing is really keeping me right now
<SporkWitch>
you want great reviews, read the ones for day of dragons lol. talk about a salty, talentless dev. Dude replied to my review within an hour doing exactly what all the criticism says: attacking the community, not actually disproving any of the valid claims, etc. lol
<SporkWitch>
he keeps flagging my review as spam, too haha
<SporkWitch>
(it's literally just an asset flip scam; everything in the game is stock or purchased, and there's no gameplay loop; it's built to take just long enough to notice this to run out the refund timer)
<SporkWitch>
totally different game type, but apparently new world is free this weekend (not to keep; free to play 7-11 april, sale until 18 april)
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<packbart>
I occasionally watched a streamer playing New World but he seems to have dropped it pretty soon after release, not sure why
<packbart>
still 2k live viewers on Twitch, so it's not dead
<SporkWitch>
i haven't played it since launch week or so, though put in a lot of time in the closed and open betas. It's fun, nothing spectacular, though. Main issue was just not much to do unless you were into the pvp territory control
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<funkenstein>
packbart the centipede looks lovely, once I have wheels, how did you get the joints to work? additionally, the mod looks fine but I don't know how to mod nowthat i have the steam version
<FLHerne>
funkenstein: Have you done the weird ones like the separate tracking station antennas, the random patch of concrete and the flagpole?
<FLHerne>
then surface samples, EVA reports, Gravioli
<packbart>
and the joints are unpowered hinges, I think
<FLHerne>
282 is definitely low
<packbart>
I'd also recommend copying KSP to another directory and leave the Steam copy unmodded, so an update to KSP won't break your current game if any of the mods are not compatible yet
<funkenstein>
I think I've done the random concrete "ksc, we're home"
<funkenstein>
thoguht abouit the flagpole had no idea about the antennae
<funkenstein>
I have CKAN
<funkenstein>
it works with steam
<funkenstein>
?
<packbart>
well, it works with any directory where KSP is installed
<packbart>
(and can manage multiple instances)
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<funkenstein>
282 was with only goo, thermometers, and barometers
<FLHerne>
there are a few more arbitrary separate things, the wiki has a list
<funkenstein>
and of course, eva reports and surface samples
<packbart>
and don't forget to jump for the flying EVA report ;)
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<funkenstein>
ahh
<funkenstein>
I DON'T want the community resource pack, fervently I don't, but CKAN doesn't want me to install mechjeb or near future electrical without it
<funkenstein>
furthermore I have no idea how to copy KSP anywhere
<funkenstein>
I have a very limited knnowledge of computers, it's my partner ho knows these things
<Izaya>
you copy it from ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Kerbal Space Program to wherever you want
<Izaya>
or C:\Program Files\whatever idk I don't use windows
<Izaya>
you can also use CKAN to clone the instance
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<funkenstein>
I tried, made things confusing, and deleted everything just to be safe
<funkenstein>
You discharge your Friendship drive. For all the resultant horror, grief, and pain, you put your differences behind you and try again. For science. You monster.
<SporkWitch>
launch was yesterday; docking with ISS this morning
<SporkWitch>
they're going over the rendesvous and approach plan right now; they're so much safer than kerbals lol
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<SporkWitch>
KSP rendesvous: 0.1km? PERFECT! *suicide rendesvous at 100m/s*
<funkenstein>
lol
<flayer>
they're being overly cautious imo
<flayer>
although i don't blame them
<SporkWitch>
it only takes one screwup and the entire program is gone, so yeah
<SporkWitch>
they're not expendable, like kerbals heh
<funkenstein>
what are the lights we're looking aat
<funkenstein>
looks like led's on a string
<SporkWitch>
i would assume the camera is at the ISS and we're looking at the dragon capsule
<funkenstein>
ah
<funkenstein>
wobbly, isn't it
<SporkWitch>
my reasoning being the lower quality camera, and the positioning of the navigation lights
<SporkWitch>
it's VERY zoomed in lol
<SporkWitch>
and yep, that was confirmation, we're looking at the dragon, so that camera is on the ISS
<Mat2ch>
SporkWitch: you could have just replaced the switches :D
<funkenstein>
what is that jerking, the camera panning?
<SporkWitch>
eh, second switch failure within a month, and i'd had it for 5+ years, safe to say it was only going to keep happening at that point
<SporkWitch>
funkenstein: yes
<SporkWitch>
and it's as jerky as it is because of how zoomed in it is
<funkenstein>
the photographer in me feels the pain
<SporkWitch>
and now i have pretty backlit keys, though it's definitely going to ttake some getting used to these browns. feels VERY differnt from the blues i'm used to
<SporkWitch>
i definitely prefer the blues, but i can feel how it'll be easier to get rapid presses with these browns, which i've been finding necessary for Starbound, which i've been playing a fair bit of lately
<funkenstein>
what
<SporkWitch>
sorry, the last two were for Mat2ch
<funkenstein>
may I ask what you mean, though?
<funkenstein>
blues/browns
<SporkWitch>
Cherry MX Blue switches vs Cherry MX Brown switches.
<Mat2ch>
SporkWitch: Oh, well, then it was really time for a new one.
<funkenstein>
so they make the keyboard more responsive?
<flayer>
and if its a super fast encounter, i will correct burn based on the navball
<flayer>
otherwise i will just look at the station and burn towards it before flipping around
<funkenstein>
;mission add You attempt to eat a muffin in microgravity...
<LunchBot>
funkenstein: Added mission: You attempt to eat a muffin in microgravity...
<funkenstein>
funkenstein launches a variety of citrus at flayer
<flayer>
nice
<Mat2ch>
SporkWitch: I do a lot of typing as well... and gaming, too, which is rather abusive ;)
<SporkWitch>
yup
<SporkWitch>
why i wasn't too surprised about getting the life i did out of it
<Izaya>
been thinking about getting some kailh jades to go with the kit that's been sitting on my desk for far too long >.>
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<funkenstein>
no response from thew big loop
<funkenstein>
what do they mean
<SporkWitch>
they're having issues with the ship-to-ship comms
<Mat2ch>
also non-clicky switches in keyboards are great. I once had a colleague who used an old IBM keyboard. It always felt like a machine gun next to me...
<SporkWitch>
the x-by-y refers to loudness and clarity, on a 1-5 scale. 3/5 loudness, 3/5 clarity = 3x3
<SporkWitch>
they're getting through fine when relaying through the ground station, though
<SporkWitch>
Mat2ch: they just don't feel right, i'm used to that extra "bite" when typing
<SporkWitch>
these browns feel "floaty"
<funkenstein>
rakketytattetytat
<funkenstein>
the clouds are gorgeous from this angle
<Izaya>
man that's a cool shot, seeing the capsule pointing at the camera, between the camera and the earth
<funkenstein>
cinematic, in fact
<Izaya>
Gonna get some nice wallpapers out of this one, I can feel it :D
<funkenstein>
I wish, I don't know how to screenshot youtube
<Izaya>
no idea, I'm watching in mpv
<Izaya>
but I meant with proper cameras from inside the station
<Izaya>
hence, wait for photos from the station :p
<funkenstein>
just passed over a lovely cumulonimbus
<Izaya>
even if they were new and fancy they wouldn't be as good as captured stills, streaming is bad for video quality
<Izaya>
I'd love this as a wallpaper though
<Izaya>
:p
<funkenstein>
cirrocumulus now
<SporkWitch>
it's because they have navy on board; no clue how to operate a radio :P
<flayer>
i need to get a telescope
<funkenstein>
so does the navy
<funkenstein>
cheeeese
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<SporkWitch>
wow, she's not very bright... she thinks a nitrogen-oxygen mix is synonymous with nitrousoxide... colloquially known as laughing gas...
<Althego>
also nitrogen oxygen mix is almost the same as air
<Althego>
why not just call it air?
<SporkWitch>
because it's specifically a nitrogen-oxygen mix, without all the other crap in air
<Althego>
which is mostly a bit of argon so who cares
<SporkWitch>
i'd guess with a higher percentage of oxygen than normal, just enough nitrogen to minimize fire hazard, for mass reasons
<SporkWitch>
nonetheless, it's a distinction, and as i said, i doubt it's the usualy 78/21 mix
<SporkWitch>
not having any luck finding the proportions
<funkenstein>
as orville said to wilbur
<funkenstein>
you're wright\
<Althego>
argh
<Izaya>
so I was thinking about NTRs earlier today and I ended up wondering, for long trips with a NTR, would having a small LH2 tank for feeding the engine (sized for the longest burn you want to perform), an electrolysis(?) machine, running off the standby power generation of the nuclear reactor, and a big water tank for splitting into H2 and O2 - both as volatile/fuel storage, and as
<flayer>
i don't like how the top only has one hinge
<flayer>
i want it to be 4 different bits
<flayer>
or at least two
<SporkWitch>
water is extremely good at blocking radiation. It's one of the reasons it's used for nuclear reactors, also the reason for the design choice in Robinson's "Red Mars" of having the water tanks surrounding a core module for use as a solar storm shelter
<SporkWitch>
flayer: more parts = more points of failure
<flayer>
i know but i dont care
<flayer>
is water better or worse than lead at blocking radiation?
<SporkWitch>
worse than lead, but lead is very heavy and serves no other practical use
<flayer>
it is probably a cost vs efficiency vs availability thing?
<SporkWitch>
the benefit of water is that you need to bring it anyway, so if you design with it as part of your shielding, you're saving significant mass
<Izaya>
Is it safe to drink if it's used as a radiation shield?
<SporkWitch>
yes
<Izaya>
I know it's used in the skin as shielding for radiation from space but that's a rather different usecase :p
<SporkWitch>
stuff doesn't "become" radioactive by exposure to radiation, radiaoactive PARTICLES can get mixed with it. As long as the water never comes in physical contact with radioactive material, it's perfectly safe to drink
<Izaya>
(or rather, often PLANNED for use between the inner and outer hull, I don't think anything's actually flown with that setup)
<taniwha>
SporkWitch, not true: neutron activation
<Izaya>
ah okay
<SporkWitch>
cursory search implies that cannot occur by accident; conditions required outside of a lab, you're not worrying about that anymore lol
<SporkWitch>
in fact, i'm not finding any mention or example of it occurring under natural conditions (I would assume there's some edge cases where it could occur, but I suspect these conditions would also kill anyone that might later care if their food or water were made radioactive). What I'm finding also suggests that half lives of seconds are more common, though it does mention years as possible
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<SporkWitch>
very much not a significant concern. quantities negligible, and that seems to indicate it only produces beta waves, which explains why they literally just vent it
<SporkWitch>
per your source, C-14 is literally what we use for radiocarbon dating, we expect to find it in everything lol
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<Izaya>
the fact that this is getting held up by video issues is very 2020/2021
<darsie>
It's not in fossil fuels.
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<Althego>
must have been an incorrect sdp :)
<SporkWitch>
i blame the nitrousoxide she was breathing :P
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<Althego>
kikkerikii
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<flayer>
hey SporkWitch
<SporkWitch>
sup?
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<SporkWitch>
the radio etiquette is annoyingly bad >_<
<SporkWitch>
to the discussion yesterday, sounds like they are doing the EVE-style grid system https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/200602-developer-insights-4-%E2%80%93-ksp2-engineering/
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<funkenstein>
;mission
<LunchBot>
funkenstein: You add tzatziki sauce to the reaction wheels. It is used by nefarious porpoises.
<umaxtu>
tasty
<FLHerne>
;mission add Jeb's hibernation suit fails mere weeks into his return journey from Eeloo. Through years of total isolation in the blackness space, his mind is warped beyond recognition.
<LunchBot>
FLHerne: Added mission: Jeb's hibernation suit fails mere weeks into his return journey from Eeloo. Through years of total isolation in the blackness space, his mind is warped beyond recognition.
<LunchBot>
FLHerne: New text is: Jeb's hibernation suit fails mere weeks into his return journey from Eeloo. Through years of total isolation in the blackness of space, his mind is warped beyond recognition.
<FLHerne>
bleh
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<darsie>
"Kerbal Space Program 2: Episode 5 - Interstellar Travel" says we'll get time warp while burning. So, how about realistic thrust ion thrusters?
<UmbralRaptor>
hopefully!
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<SporkWitch>
looking around, it seems the highest thrust (that I can find) for an ion thruster is 4N. That said, that's also a much smaller one than the Dawn in KSP. Dawn is 2kN, so still much more powerful, but in terms of gameplay I feel like it's probably good. To do a realistic implementation you'd be accelerating for the entire journey. Usually when I hear about plans for ion thrusters for distance
<SporkWitch>
missions the plan is you accelerate to the halfway point and decelerate on the second half. Very slow, but very efficient.
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<darsie>
SporkWitch: What's that, VASMR? What Isp?
<SporkWitch>
found a few papers, but skimming them they didn't specify they thrust (or i missed it) and i honestly didn't feel like doing the maths as i'm really overtired lol
<SporkWitch>
i woke up after only like 2 or 3 hours of sleep, which is the only reason i was up in time to watch the rendesvous and docking this morning lol
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<funkenstein>
may I mention something slightly un-space-related? there's nobody else aroung to mention it to
<funkenstein>
;mission
<LunchBot>
funkenstein: You send Jeb to astronaut school to learn more about safety procedures. Your reputation underflows, and suddenly the really nice contracts are available again.
<funkenstein>
;mission
<LunchBot>
funkenstein: Your five-year mission: to explore strange new worlds; to seek out new life and new civilizations; to boldly go where no Kerbal has gone before. On your return the media is only interested in the zero-G toilet.
<funkenstein>
figures
<raptop>
...what is the thing anyway?
<darsie>
It's mostly space related.
<darsie>
Because it's just slightly un-space-related.