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<funkenstein>
so I went to Missions for th3e first time since 1.8ish and I found a mission labeled "Ziggy Kerman and the Spiders from Duna" and i am overjoyed
<Althego>
hehehe
<funkenstein>
when the G's had killed the man, the had to BREAK UP THE BAAAND
<funkenstein>
hmm
<funkenstein>
is "you are disappointed to find that there are no spiders on Mars." a mission or an outcome
<funkenstein>
I was thinking outcome but would seem it works for both
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<packbart>
ugh. I just fell into a salt stack. so, apparently, Elite Dangerous on consoles won't be getting new extensions (ie. Odyssey) and the whinge is out in force
<packbart>
"How dare they stop development after only 7 years. I want my money back!1"
<packbart>
does the KSP console port still get updates?
<Althego>
i noticed that the fire tucks were there instantly, so they were waiting for the landing, so i checked vasaviation, and there it was
<Althego>
they had a hydraulic failure
<Althego>
probably that caused the problems after landing
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<packbart>
yeah, there's some speculation going on in the avherald comments about the left thrust reverser not deploying and the pilot trying to lock the brakes to counteract the asymmetry. or something, I'm not an expert in that
<Mat2ch>
the report will soon be available.
<Mat2ch>
Also the obligatory: Oh, that's where my package went!
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<Mat2ch>
Drone light shows are somewhat satisfying
<Guest17584>
moin
<Guest17584>
althego?
<Mat2ch>
What scifi movie predicted drone light shows? I don't know any
<Mat2ch>
Guest17584: Just ask to ask :)
<Mat2ch>
eh, don't ask to ask, just ask :D
<Mat2ch>
Early in the morning. Only 11 :P
<Guest17584>
^^ iam the german guy from yesterday. i return back for another question.
<Guest17584>
How can i finance my expensive rockets? when i want to lift of only 200k dollar rockets. are there any tips?
<Guest17584>
i want 1 rocket for all situations
<funkenstein>
hmm
<Guest17584>
worth it to trade science into money when i researched all?
<packbart>
there are strategies (in the KSC admin building) to convert science or reputation into credits
<Mat2ch>
Guest17584: you get lots of money for doing missions
<Guest17584>
good idea. trade science yes.
<Guest17584>
how worth it is to have near 100% reputation?
<Mat2ch>
I usually do some "place sat in orbit" missions
<packbart>
Guest17584: when your tech tree is all researched, there's no reason not to convert science into credits
<Mat2ch>
sometimes I do 4 to 5 of those missions at once. Since you still own the sat after the mission is done, you can build one sat and do several missions with it :D
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<packbart>
reputation supposedly influences the nature and rewards of the contracts beíng offered
<packbart>
I never really saw a difference, tbh
<Mat2ch>
And I never got my reputation to 100 %
<Guest17584>
yes i heard about that you can never reach 100%
<Guest17584>
any idead how to equip my adapter? its a kerbodyne adapter tank with 5 engine slots. idk how to equip because the engines are too small or to big
<Guest17584>
i unlocked every engine but iam maybe blind
<packbart>
it works well with the Mastodon (if you switch the Mastodon to its bare variant)
<Mat2ch>
ah, I don't have the Making History Expansion
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<funkenstein>
the game crashed, and now when I try to open it i get a steam error window saying "An error occurred while updating kerbal Space Program (app running)
<Guest17584>
jo i dont find it in the list. its like the S3 KS-25x4 "Mammoth" Liquid Fuel Engine but without engines
<funkenstein>
however, I closed the app with task manager
<Guest17584>
funkenstein are you german?
<Guest17584>
i will try mastodon. thx
<funkenstein>
Guest17584 partially, why
<Guest17584>
because your name could be german. Funke and stein is a german word
<funkenstein>
ah
<Guest17584>
funke is like spark i think and stein is stone
<funkenstein>
this is true, it's a reference to a band
<packbart>
The Flintstones are back!
<funkenstein>
though I like the idea of flintstone lmao
<funkenstein>
ayy
<Guest17584>
ah yes flintstone is a better translation xD
<packbart>
I think I also used Skippers or Mainsails with that tank
<Guest17584>
i right clicked it. there are no options like on the other engines
<Guest17584>
ohhhhhhhhh
<Guest17584>
this engine
<Guest17584>
oops. so google translated it wrong haha
<packbart>
Vectors are probably a good fit, too. basically, anything that sums up to a good launch TWR
<packbart>
anyway, I'm out for now
<Guest17584>
thank you
<Guest17584>
@the others. did you ever visit all planets?
<umaxtu>
I haven't
<Guest17584>
idk the delta V map. but maybe you can answer me this question. is it possible to land on mun with 3k delta V an go in a minmus orbit an then return to kerbin?
<Guest17584>
i have 3k delta V an iam in a muin orbit
<Guest17584>
mun
<packbart>
should be possible if the plane change doesn't cut too much into it. I roughly estimate 800m/s to land on the Mun, 600 to get back to orbit. so that's about 1500m/s to be safe. circularizing at Minmus takes, say, about 200m/s and return to Kerbin about 300m/s. that leaves 1000m/s for the transfer from Mun to Minumus (and possibly covers landing on Minmus, too)
<packbart>
(yeah, I'm going to the office today. really soon now. just one more minute ;)
<Althego>
office on friday
<Althego>
that sucks
<packbart>
I haven't been there for almost two weeks. I should get back into the rhythm
<Althego>
the future is not office
<Guest17584>
ah return or get in orbit to minmus is cheaper? although it has a athmosphere?
<Althego>
2 years of virus taught this to companies
<Mat2ch>
I visited all the planets, iirc.
<Mat2ch>
But some just with disposable satellites
<Guest17584>
what does iirc mean?
<packbart>
I'm not an efficient home officer, tbh. I like my office desk and meeting coworkers on the balcony
<packbart>
Guest17584: "if I remember correctly"
<Mat2ch>
I wanted to make crewed missions everywhere. I tried several times, but then usually got reminded how badly ksp performes with my creations...
<Guest17584>
ah nice. i will notice that
<Mat2ch>
iirc = if I remember correctly.
<Althego>
Guest17584: there are two delta v maps in the topic
<Mat2ch>
I have built huge contraceptions to explore Jool and all of its moons with a single mission
<Guest17584>
heyy althego. iam the german guy
<Althego>
my first jool mission, so nostalgic
<packbart>
Guest17584: Minmus doesn't have an atmosphere. or did you mean the return to Kerbin? it takes less dV _because_ Kerbin has an atmosphere that helps with slowing down
<Mat2ch>
had a pusher, several landers, a miner, even a SSTO plane for Laythe with me
<Althego>
to this day i think that was the most successful mission i ever did. it overperformed all goals
<Guest17584>
i have 236h in ksp and never land on minmus because iam in fear. it has a athmosphere, or?
<Althego>
noatmosphere
<packbart>
so for a return from a moon, I go for a ~30km periapsis at Kerbin
<FLHerne>
Mat2ch: 'contraceptions' is...not the word ;-)
<Althego>
contraptions
<Althego>
only eve, kerbin, duna, jool, laythe have atmospheres
<Guest17584>
alcohol and ksp. i love it
<FLHerne>
Does Kerbol have an atmosphere?
<Guest17584>
kerbin?
<FLHerne>
or does the game just assume you'll fry before it matters
<Althego>
hmm, i never tried going that close to the sun
<FLHerne>
oh yeah, they renamed it
<packbart>
there are examples on the forum picking up science "flying over the sun" or something like that
<Althego>
so what is the official name? kerbol or sun?
<FLHerne>
in early KSP versions the sun was named Kerbol, iirc
<Guest17584>
in german its sonne. translated its sun
<FLHerne>
they probably decided it was clearer
<packbart>
the Wiki says "Atmosphere present: Yes"
<Guest17584>
can you land on the sun?
<packbart>
"Similar to Jool, it's impossible to land on the Sun. Any objects are destroyed at an altitude below -250 m, which shows in the end flight dialog as "crashed into the surface of the sun" or similar, rather than ever landing"
<sandbox>
"I have built huge contraceptions to explore Jool and all of its moons with a single mission" I wonder what that mission might be xD ... anyway, moving on
<Guest17584>
ehm can you land on every planet? idk the game very much but there have to be gasplanets or?
<packbart>
there's Jool and you can't land on it
<Guest17584>
good to know. is the game give you information about that? because i would try to land on it. i think
<sandbox>
wasn't there a glitch that let you land on a tiny piece of Jool once?
<SporkWitch>
i'm breaking my own rule and really getting hyped heh. Definitely hope we get a firm release date sometime this year (even if the date itself isn't this year)
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<FLHerne>
!stupid add "Interstellar travel is like trying to hit a grape on the surface of the Moon."
<LunchBot>
FLHerne: Added stupid quote: "Interstellar travel is like trying to hit a grape on the surface of the Moon."
<Althego>
somehow i thought they were not going to the iss, but they are
<SporkWitch>
i forget, are spacex's engines already running on methalox or just planned to once they start doing mars missions?
<Althego>
merlin is kerolox
<SporkWitch>
gotcha, just the raptor running on methane?
<Althego>
yes
<Althego>
as for ksp2, i hope it will be great one day, but no hype
<Althego>
maybe if they had at least a closed beta already
<SporkWitch>
i get ya, and that's exactly why i try to avoid hype for games, reduces disappointment heh. It's why i wasn't disappointed in Cyberpunk: i didn't follow it at all lol
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<Althego>
anti ship missile incoming
<SporkWitch>
no boom today
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<raptop>
hrm, lightyears with sub-millimeter precision. Either it's just barely doing that (like, 2 ly), or they're using something bigger than 64 bit floats
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<NGC3982>
what reason does it have to simulate actual light-years
<Althego>
because no hyperspace jump
<Althego>
or friendship drive :(
<raptop>
Δv!
<raptop>
!outcome overheats
<LunchBot>
raptop: The launch vehicle is too large for the lander and your craft overheats.
<raptop>
!outcome overheats and
<LunchBot>
raptop: Your friendship drive overheats and everyone hates you.
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<FLHerne>
I really love these videos
<FLHerne>
It's so obvious that they really CARE
<FLHerne>
not just a shovelware sequel because the last one sold
<FLHerne>
When they announced KSP2 I expected it to be mostly the same game with a prettier renderer and some new parts/textures, but that wasn't enough
<SporkWitch>
NGC3982: Althego: presumably they could set things up on a grid. Objects can be tracked within the grid using a smaller variable than if you needed to track position globally. When you transition from one grid to another you can simply translate the position information at the edge. Introduces some room for error, but I could see it working reliably at arbitrary scales (if necessary, you
<SporkWitch>
nest grids)
<Althego>
yes there are tricks
<Althego>
they probably need several of those
<SporkWitch>
yeah. You can also do more transient grids, like EVE Online. Gets around the precision problem by instantiating the grid around the object, and then having the grid's position tracked relative to some other landmark. If instead of centreing the grid on the first object to appear in the area, you centre it on some fixed angle, you can use an int instead of a float
<Mat2ch>
FLHerne: I didn't see that :(
<Mat2ch>
Thank you!
<SporkWitch>
the steam discussions are pretty bad, just a whole bunch of people crying that the devs don't post there and claiming it's vaporware / dead / abandoned. I can understand the impression (and really they SHOULD be cross-posting these videos on steam), but come on, 30 seconds googling would show new updates
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<SporkWitch>
hmmm... and either a stick of RAM coincidentally went bad at the same time, or my new keyboard is somehow causing BSODs... i really don't want to deal with this. 4 sticks of 32GB each will take forever to test to figure out which failed...
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<umaxtu>
good luck SporkWitch
<Mat2ch>
SporkWitch: been there, done that. Took me several nights of testing.
<Mat2ch>
But you can divide et impera her. Or a binary search.
<Mat2ch>
Test the whole thing through one night, if it fails, test half of it, etc.
<Mat2ch>
but memtest86 will tell you were it failed, so you can simply divide the whole memory by four and get the one that failed.
<Mat2ch>
on the other hand: If you've got a fancy keyboard and if you installed drivers for it... I'd say: Keyboard drivers.
<Mat2ch>
the last scene in the video suggest an autopilot.
<Mat2ch>
and it makes sense. If they really want to do it that big, than it needs automating.
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<funkenstein>
!
<funkenstein>
"113 users have joined"
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<FLHerne>
IRC is very silly
<FLHerne>
;mission add Your conti
<LunchBot>
FLHerne: Added mission: Your conti
<FLHerne>
;mission add Your five-year mission: to explore strange new worlds; to seek out new life and new civilizations; to boldly go where no Kerbal has gone before.
<LunchBot>
FLHerne: Added mission: Your five-year mission: to explore strange new worlds; to seek out new life and new civilizations; to boldly go where no Kerbal has gone before.
<FLHerne>
;outcome add The entire population of Kerbin witnesses the outcome -- the first few milliseconds at least.
<LunchBot>
FLHerne: Added outcome: The entire population of Kerbin witnesses the outcome -- the first few milliseconds at least.