raptop changed the topic of #KSPOfficial to: Kerbal Space Program official channel | versions: KSP1 1.12.3 http://bit.ly/ksp112update | Rules: http://tinyurl.com/KSP-Rules | "modcall" to call ops | Δv maps: https://i.imgur.com/CHVnEeE.png https://i.imgur.com/gBoLsSt.png | JWST deployment status: https://webb.nasa.gov/content/webbLaunch/whereIsWebb.html | Ask not for whom the 鶏^H火の鳥 kikkerikiis
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* raptop checks on Izaya's KSP stream, and is confused that it appears to be about coding
<Izaya> gotta modify the contract to support SSPX labs
<Izaya> https://lainchan.org/stream for anyone interested, see also https://peertube.bubbletea.dev/c/izaya_channel/ for previous highlights
<raptop> vague name suggestion: запад (west)
<Izaya> best I've gotten so far
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<raptop> apropos nothing, this was a fun flag to make https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FRZQC97WQAI26ti?format=png
<Izaya> I like that.
<Izaya> There's one flag in Stellaris that I can't help but see as a warning symbol for antimatter containment
<raptop> Heh
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<raptop> Huh, those are some cool missions
<Izaya> Mod idea: Large volume variable usage habitation modules.
<Izaya> So you can slap down a big 2.5m habitat module then balance science, command, and living quarters inside it without using multiple parts.
<raptop> Something something procedural internals (I'm not saying that this exists)
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<funkenstein> @raptop it looks as if the flag of new mexico gained a sparrow and some communism
<funkenstein> ;mission add You add some communism.
<LunchBot> Added mission: You add some communism.
<funkenstein> ;mission
<LunchBot> You speak cyrillic, whatever that may mean. Bill has a luncheon-meat-induced seizure.
<funkenstein> lol
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<funkenstein> ;outcome add Cyril is disappointed in your abilities.
<LunchBot> Added outcome: Cyril is disappointed in your abilities.
<Althego> what about methodius?
<funkenstein> he confused "apostle" with "a pestle"
<funkenstein> now e's been grounded
<funkenstein> [facepalm alert]
<XXCoder> ;mission
<LunchBot> You sell your soul to The Kraken. You end up with blisters on your hands and a sick feeling in your stomach.
<XXCoder> man soul extraction must have been rough on me
<UmbralRaptop> funkenstein: Well, it's the flag of a city in New Mexico minus some letters
<UmbralRaptop> (Albuquerque)
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<Mat2ch> self destruct...
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<Mat2ch> I like that SpaceX is repairing B7. I would do the same. Because it could be necessary to repair a booster in the future as well and now you can test things. Also it will show the advantages of steel and a welder.
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<Althego> lol
<Althego> this is a mobile phone base station
<trace987> yes
<Mat2ch> Drag.
<trace987> but I saw it and then this idea came to me
<Mat2ch> The struts between the four boosters create a lot of drag.
<Mat2ch> If you strap them together in one housing it will be much more efficient.
<Mat2ch> More efficient means higher orbits or higher payloads.
<Mat2ch> But, uh, I've built things like this in KSP. But KSP is easy compared to the real world. :D
<trace987> would it make sense to have rockets like this more distantly
<trace987> besides your point why not
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<Mat2ch> Not really.
<Mat2ch> Packing them away in such a manner can be more problematic.
<Mat2ch> Look for example at a Falcon 9. If one of its engines fails it still can get to orbit.
<Mat2ch> But if one engine of that other design fails you have very very uneven thrust and will loose the rocket
<trace987> maybe you want to bring something in space, that is tall
<trace987> as a seldom use case
<trace987> could this use case exist?
<Mat2ch> Too expensive to develop a launcher just for that occasion. Better assemble the tall thing in space.
<trace987> yes
<trace987> are there tall things that can never be assembled in space
<Mat2ch> Usually stuff you want to send to space is expensive. So you want to have a reliable rocket to get it there.
<Mat2ch> And reliablity means you have to do a lot of tests first.
<trace987> I think maybe in space can be more assembled that on earth, generally
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<Mat2ch> Which are all expensive and only worth doing, if you use the rocket afterwards for many many flights to distribute the costs of development
<Mat2ch> Gravity can be a pain, yes.
<Mat2ch> There are proposales for building (welding!) huge things in space.
<Mat2ch> Like space stations
<trace987> you can construct this construction by having so many rockets, that, if one does not work, the other one help
<Mat2ch> There are several ways to assemble things in space. Have a look at the ISS. They sent up modules and docked them together.
<trace987> and with lots of rockets it is going to be easier to reuse this all
<trace987> yes, I think in space can be even more assembled than on earth
<Mat2ch> Exactly. SpaceX is doing that right now. Developing a huge launcher. We are only at the beginning to understand what we will be able to do with it.
<trace987> do you have pictures or else?
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<Mat2ch> Have a look at this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX_Starship
<trace987> ah, you mean what many know
<Mat2ch> Probably going to be the biggest conventional rocket humanity will ever built.
<Mat2ch> Maybe (I can't say how likely this is) we will have bigger rockets someday. But Starship is on the edge what's possible.
<trace987> I discuss my idea, not because I want it this way, but to think about things that are uncommon to get new ideas
<Mat2ch> That's great! Keep on having ideas :)
<trace987> :)
<Mat2ch> There are reasons for some things how they are. But other things are the way they are just because nobody ever thought about an improvement
<trace987> exactly
<FLHerne> trace987: the only serious rocket like that I can think of was a proposed Shuttle derivative using three SRBs
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<FLHerne> (one in place of the Shuttle orbiter/external tank)
<Izaya> ah yes, the SSS variant of the SLS
<Izaya> personally I like the
<Izaya> S
<Izaya> SSS
<Izaya> SSSSS
<Izaya> though the L/SSS is good too
<FLHerne> it would have had widely-spaced SRBs to match the existing launch platform
<Izaya> looks like that first warp spaceship from star trek
<Izaya> hm, I can't find the SLS mashup picture now. A shame.
<FLHerne> other than that, which is generally conceded to be a bad idea, it doesn't make much sense
<UmbralRaptop> Ah, yes, that cursed thing
<FLHerne> you're adding a lot of structural mass and drag
<FLHerne> the only benefit I can think of is that with many *really* widely-spaced cores you might have redundancy against one going kablooie
<FLHerne> but then you're really launching a forest of rockets that happen to be tied together, and it's completely ridiculous
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<Althego> zombanwa sortof
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<funkenstein> ;mission
<LunchBot> You switch the safeties off for an experiment. A sand fire rages out of control.
<raptop> This is all your fault
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<XXCoder> sand fire ow lol
<XXCoder> ;mission
<LunchBot> You sleep through a lecture in the Kerbal Institute of Engineering. B787_300 spontaneously combusts.
<XXCoder> damn i forgot to pay attention to status of that
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<raptop> And that's why he's no longer a boeing
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<FLHerne> ;mission add Kerbal society converts to flayerism.
<LunchBot> Added mission: Kerbal society converts to flayerism.
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<Mat2ch> !mission
<LunchBot> You attempt to build a ship in a magnetic bottle. Upon pressing the mission button, a pie pops out and hits you in the face.
<Mat2ch> I'd like to have cake now.
* raptop throws a type II pie at Mat2ch, then
<Mat2ch> that one gave me diabetes.
<funkenstein> ;mission add NEPTR enters the cat
<LunchBot> Added mission: NEPTR enters the cat
<funkenstein> chat
<funkenstein> ;fixup s/cat/chat/
<raptop> NEPTR?
<funkenstein> ;mission fixup s/cat/chat/
<LunchBot> New text is: NEPTR enters the chat
<funkenstein> Never-Ending Pie Throwing Robot
<raptop> o_O
<funkenstein> hehehe
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<FLHerne> .nextlunch cake
<LunchBot> Enough pancakes to deplete the Canadians' strategic butter and maple syrup reserves.
<FLHerne> hm
<FLHerne> are pancakes cake?
<funkenstein> yes
<funkenstein> also scones can be cakes
<funkenstein> ;mission
<LunchBot> You flirt shamelessly with Jool during the capture burn. You fail to fail this mission.
<funkenstein> ..how?
<funkenstein> ;mission
<LunchBot> You attempt to fix all grammatical errors in kmath's missions. You come back with chocolate.
<raptop> !mission
<LunchBot> You violate the cosmic censorship principle. Icefire explodes, emitting all kinds of deadly kmaths.
* raptop presses F to pay respects for kmath
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<raptop> !mission add You replace the mystery goo with LCL.
<LunchBot> Added mission: You replace the mystery goo with LCL.
<raptop> !outcome evas
<LunchBot> Your confusion of EVAs with Evas causes many mental problems for your crew.
<Izaya> wish there were some less ... involved weapons mods
<Izaya> but I guess an SRB with a kOS module and probe core is basically a missile
<raptop> heh
<raptop> On an unrelated note: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j8EprZP4IE
<Izaya> is this like Seconds From Disaster but for chemistry?
<raptop> Unsure. Was Second From Disaster made by the NTSB as a complement to their more normal reports?
<Izaya> I don't believe so :p
<Izaya> Feels like the right genre though.
<raptop> pretty much yeah
<raptop> !outcome the csb
<LunchBot> The CSB has determined that this was the decision that ultimately led to so much death and destruction.
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<Izaya> faux-SFM is an aesthetic too