<darklight>
I don't really understand the "healthy" push
<SilverFox>
whats that accent doing over the o?
<SilverFox>
darklight, not being obese and shit?
<TheKosmonaut>
SilverFox: Hepburn romanization
<darklight>
Try going outside once in a while?
<SilverFox>
being fit isnt wholey a part of being healthy
<SilverFox>
garbage in, garbage out
<TheKosmonaut>
darklight: I mean healthy in the sense that a little of it has a lot of nutrition
<SilverFox>
nutritionally dense?
<TheKosmonaut>
Yeah
<SilverFox>
those are the best
<darklight>
I wouldn't say I eat healthy, but the only reason I am 90kg and not 80 is because we don't stick plant anymore :<
<darklight>
You get fit doing that shit
<TheKosmonaut>
SilverFox: the accent is in place of typing it like “nattou”
<SilverFox>
ahh
<SilverFox>
neat
<TheKosmonaut>
So if we used the “proper” romanization, all sorts of words would be screwy
<darklight>
And I ate like fast food every day coming home from work (had a smallish lunch)
<TheKosmonaut>
Toukyou instead of Tokyo
<SilverFox>
interestng
<darklight>
So 4 meals a day essentially :P
<SilverFox>
eating fast food every day is baaaaad
<TheKosmonaut>
Not if you’re balanced in every other sense.
<darklight>
Well I did it
<TheKosmonaut>
Shit. That guy did an experiment with fast food every day and actually lost weight
<darklight>
Until I realised I could only do that while stick planting
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<darklight>
Like its not super hard physical labour, but it is hard on you to keep at it all day
<SilverFox>
TheKosmonaut, high fat diets are baaaaaad, acidoketosis and all them ketone bodies in the liver
<SilverFox>
even though fat-burning is most efficient for source of energy per weight, it's very bad in that it produces them ketone bodies as a biproduct
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<TheKosmonaut>
SilverFox: the guy did it as an experiment. It was more to show that the calorie count was the important part of weight *loss*
<SilverFox>
ahh, yes, calorie intake is how weight gain/loss works ye
<TheKosmonaut>
His macros remained relativity fine during his check ups IIRC
<darklight>
SF that's future darklights problem
<TheKosmonaut>
I think his sodium was high but he was still in a normal range
<SilverFox>
you can lose weight without exercising actively if you lower calorie count enough
<TheKosmonaut>
Calories Burned in a 5K Run or Walk. ... A faster runner will burn more. A runner maintaining an 8:30/mile pace will burn 262 calories and a speedy 7:30/mile runner will burn 308 calories. If you choose to walk a 5K course, you'll burn approximately 186 calories, according to the American Council on Exercise
<TheKosmonaut>
Yeah so it is super low on average
<SilverFox>
why did we have to be so efficient
<TheKosmonaut>
It may be higher if you’re a heavy person
<SilverFox>
of course
<SilverFox>
more energy to move the mass
<TheKosmonaut>
I would burn 650 but that was with weights and cycling for about 20 km at least
<TheKosmonaut>
I hate running
<TheKosmonaut>
Running is bullshit. Fuck it.
<SilverFox>
agreed
<SilverFox>
sex is better exercise
<SilverFox>
sex yer wife
<SilverFox>
or other women, I don't judge
<TheKosmonaut>
You don’t sex a 9 month pregnant woman. She may eat you.
<SilverFox>
but they simultaneously want the dick also
<SilverFox>
its like a spider
<SilverFox>
also wait up, you have another baby cooking?
<G-Mobile>
darklight: did you respond to my trumptell?
<darklight>
Greys mr hoochi was the one that talked about banon sucking his own cock to a reporter
<darklight>
I forget the other one
<G-Mobile>
Chief of staff
<darklight>
Prius?
<G-Mobile>
Prebus?
<darklight>
I was being silly, but yeah
<darklight>
That'll make a lot of republicans happy iirc
<G-Mobile>
Also the new chief of staff got in a dick punching fight with a CNN guy and they both looked pike assholes
<G-Mobile>
Like
<darklight>
I saw that, and laughed
<darklight>
It seems like the rest of the world is finally learning from us :3
<G-Mobile>
Trump called your president "worse than me"
<SilverFox>
rekt
<G-Mobile>
Double rekt, because thats trump acknowledging some portion of how he's bad
<SilverFox>
thats the rekt
<G-Mobile>
I may be crossing channels but I believe mr australia's response to the whole interaction was "this has been the least pleasant phone call all day"
<darklight>
The second trump got in he should have realised that sending immigrants to the US was fucking retarded
<darklight>
(it was actually a swap)
<darklight>
Also greys, do you think that english should be a requirement for those immigrating?
<SilverFox>
~tell GlassYuri the way to say "flower bridge" in cantonese is "fack you"
<FoxBot9000>
SilverFox: Will do!~
<G-Mobile>
Nope
<darklight>
Ok, I'll rephrase that, given a limited number of migrants you can take in, would you prefer they know english and be able to integrate easier, or not know english?
<G-Mobile>
I'd favor the estimated probability of death within one year of being declined
<darklight>
Migrants, not refugees
<darklight>
Also you understand why immigration is limited right? :P
<G-Mobile>
Because machines have rates
<TheKosmonaut>
SilverFox: what does what say specifically
<darklight>
That's one factor
<G-Mobile>
Increasing rate requires log more funding
<SilverFox>
that title
<TheKosmonaut>
Is it text in the video or the title or what
<Majiir>
Land is the most scarce resource in the world. We don't give it away for free on an individual basis, so why would we do it on a national basis?
<SilverFox>
THE JIIR HAS AWOKEN
<Majiir>
"<G-Mobile> did you knoe you can buy weed?"
<G-Mobile>
As far as immagrants, I dont have policy formed
<Majiir>
Is this supposed to blow my mind?
<Majiir>
I was under the impression that almost all weed was purchased
<kmath>
YouTube - Girls' Generation 소녀시대_Holiday_Music Video
<SilverFox>
kpop get yer kpop
<SilverFox>
only a dolla
<darklight>
Wait? 3 equestria girls crossover things I've missed?
<darklight>
hrmmm
<SilverFox>
Majiir, SNSD looks different from before, I almost didnt recognize bae sunny
<Majiir>
Nah yer just blind
<SilverFox>
naw fam they changed
<Majiir>
They really didn't
<SilverFox>
lemme get a picture of old yuri
<Majiir>
How do I get more money
<SilverFox>
get another job?
<SilverFox>
did you sign a non-compete?
<Majiir>
Yeah but that just means I can't work for like two other companies
<SilverFox>
do porn
<Majiir>
I think my contract says something about not having side jobs though
<SilverFox>
no side chicks allowed
<G-Mobile>
Majiir: there's a growing population of anime and manga that overtly or reasonably arguably exist to manipulate social norms in the anime/manga cultures
<darklight>
Greys, well they've convinced sf that traps aren't gay
<darklight>
So maybe you're right
<Majiir>
G-Mobile, I am probably not into that kind of propaganda
<SilverFox>
next up on Greys at 11; people with heads usually have hair
<G-Mobile>
Majiir: what if the norms they're growing are fitness and healthy relationships
<SilverFox>
oh sweet jesus not this shit
<Majiir>
Yeah that seems reasonable, depending on what "healthy relationships" means
<G-Mobile>
SilverFox: shut your Vee, I only get to be the dumb one when majiir is here
<G-Mobile>
his opinions are more interesting than yours
<SilverFox>
I just say it how it s
<SilverFox>
sometimes
<SilverFox>
maybe
<SilverFox>
if you're lucky
<G-Mobile>
at best
<SilverFox>
interesting, this korean elevator has a 4th floor
<G-Mobile>
gaaaaasp
<Majiir>
TAIWAN NUMBAH ONE
<SilverFox>
Majiir, fun fact, wards in league of legends have attack speed values
<Majiir>
Fun fact, I really don't give a shit
<G-Mobile>
fun fact, the reciprocal of a dragonborn is 17
<Majiir>
I am staring at spreadsheets and bar charts and it's really much more fascinating than League of Legends trivia
<SilverFox>
have you listened to all of the new album yet?
<Majiir>
A Dragonborn is 1/17th?
<G-Mobile>
yep
<SilverFox>
~c 1/17
<FoxBot9000>
SilverFox, 0.058823529411764705
<SilverFox>
net
<SilverFox>
sunny has lots of boob wtf
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<Majiir>
I'll take Obvious Shit Everybody Knows for $600, Alex
<Majiir>
She's always had the best tits in kpop
<SilverFox>
I mean, that's debateable
<G-Mobile>
biggest?
<Majiir>
Who's gonna compete, Hyosung?
<SilverFox>
I'll need to do some research ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
<SilverFox>
by best do you mean biggest, or best by your arbitrary standard?
<G-Mobile>
does she have more than half as much boob as the japanese woman with absurd fluid sack boobs?
<SilverFox>
lemme check
<SilverFox>
although that in itself is a lot of boob still, so probs not
<G-Mobile>
you can probably find her by googling japanese huge boobs
<G-Mobile>
tanaka something?
<SilverFox>
hitomi?
<G-Mobile>
sounds right
<SilverFox>
apparently people in japan dont like her because her face is weird or some shit
<SilverFox>
but she's popular in the west
<SilverFox>
what I heard through the grapevine
<G-Mobile>
people in japan do like her, as much as people in japan can like a person who is famous exclusively for being a porn star in a culture that censors VR porn
<kmath>
YouTube - John Cena "are you sure about that?" GREENSCREEN
<Majiir>
HBO is plot with occasional tits and dick
<Majiir>
but what if they do it the other way around?
<SilverFox>
yo I've seen some great plot in porn
<Majiir>
Yeah but imagine HBO
<SilverFox>
oh yeah
<G-Mobile>
it's the other HBO like channels that do the smut
<Majiir>
Like porn with such great writing that everyone watches it every Sunday
<G-Mobile>
cinemax?
<Majiir>
I won't even mind if it has about as much nudity as Game of Thrones
<G-Mobile>
ooo, they could adapt Witches
<SilverFox>
I will give 20$ to anyone that can find that self-promotion of HBO plus that's just entirely "HBOOOOO HBOO-ooo HBOOO" just over and over and at the end some cuban dude says "hbo plooos"
<Majiir>
as safe as image searches for boobs can be
<G-Mobile>
so not safe?
<Majiir>
The second one is safe
<SilverFox>
she clothed
<Majiir>
The first is semi-safe
<SilverFox>
first is bikini what u talkin bout willis
<Majiir>
Fox
<Majiir>
You don't understand this but
<Majiir>
"NSFW" is not some arbitrary standard for helping forum-goers avoid being offended
<Majiir>
It is there for the benefit of people who are at work
<SilverFox>
I thought it was to prevent your boss seeing your weird anime fetishes at work?
<Majiir>
Yes, and in many workplaces, the bikini pic would not be something you could be seen viewing at work
<Majiir>
I mean not that SFW stuff is great either
<Majiir>
since you're supposed to be *working* at work
<Majiir>
but some jobs do (for some fucking reason) have downtime
<G-Mobile>
it's about not accessing bad stuff via the company network and systems, where it could be logged and reviewed
<Majiir>
That too
<SilverFox>
"Yo jared, how many times <Greys> looked up that anime tibby?"
<G-Mobile>
this is why I SSL IRC
<Majiir>
Friend of mine got flagged because Synctube was categorized as a porn site
<SilverFox>
pfffffffffft
<SilverFox>
did you get that fixed?
<Majiir>
Yeah I stopped hosting porn on Synctube
<Majiir>
you goddamn retard
<SilverFox>
kek
<G-Mobile>
I bet a synctube for pornhub would be disturbingly popular
<Majiir>
.......indeed
<Majiir>
If it had the voting features that I want, then...yeaaah
<SilverFox>
voting features?
<G-Mobile>
democratic playlist creation?
<SilverFox>
man, remember when I tried to implement features?
<G-Mobile>
nope
<SilverFox>
I almost did it
<G-Mobile>
I remember you continuously failing to host it functionally
<Majiir>
A mode where most users can't control the room directly, but they can submit suggestions for next vid and vote on them, and also vote to skip the current video (or vote to keep it)
<G-Mobile>
that sounds neat but I bet it'd be troublesome to operate in real time
<SilverFox>
well
<G-Mobile>
for the user
<SilverFox>
we have a feature like that on the uhhh learn korean discord
<SilverFox>
for the music bot
<SilverFox>
there's a 노래방 room and the music bot hangs out there
<Majiir>
G-Mobile, I was mostly thinking up/down vote the current video
<G-Mobile>
it shouldn't be terribly difficult to implement, I just don't think it'd work out well
<SilverFox>
upboat
<G-Mobile>
floatplane
<Majiir>
Luckily I neither design nor develop Synctube
<Majiir>
A B A N D O N W A R E
<G-Mobile>
Majiir: got any interesting opinions about floatplane club?
<Majiir>
Uh
<G-Mobile>
the linus tech tips media platform seeking to replace Vessel
<G-Mobile>
media-> video
<Majiir>
I don't know what any of these things are
<SilverFox>
abandonware lul
<G-Mobile>
vessel was youtube for patreon, so you could reward people who give you cash with access to things before public release
<G-Mobile>
twitter bought it and shut it down? maybe not twitter
<SilverFox>
so greys, how do I SFW hitomi tanaka?
<Majiir>
I think it has an awful name
<G-Mobile>
you don't
<G-Mobile>
she's a porn star
<SilverFox>
yeah that's the thing
<Majiir>
I want a platform that gives users a better experience
<SilverFox>
so make one
<Majiir>
No
<SilverFox>
ok
<G-Mobile>
FPC currently does but that's partially because their userbase is insignificant
<Majiir>
I have a life and I don't feel like wasting it on making a website
<SilverFox>
Majiir, 1 month until I start nursing training
<Majiir>
Wtf have you been doing all this time if not training
<G-Mobile>
they do have regional servers and better buffering behavior, they've been able to get better bitrates than youtube for most videos
<SilverFox>
porn
<SilverFox>
vr
<SilverFox>
sometimes both
<SilverFox>
which isnt that great tbh
<SilverFox>
1) censoring
<G-Mobile>
flying simplanes
<SilverFox>
2) cyclops effect
<Majiir>
G-Mobile, I think it would be neat if my Twitch and Youtube viewers could donate, and that money would go into a pool, and whenever Twitch or Youtube wanted to show an ad, they would first deduct from this pool
<SilverFox>
where they go to kiss you and your eyes merge their eyes into one giant cyclops eye
<Majiir>
so people can donate, but really the effect is I get people who can view ad-free
<SilverFox>
Majiir, your whole 6 viewers?
<Majiir>
I get more Youtube attention than Twitch
<Majiir>
which is odd since Twitch has double the followers
<Majiir>
but most of the Twitch followers are from KSP
<G-Mobile>
so you want your viewers to subsidize turning monetization off
<Majiir>
G-Mobile, the ads show up regardless
<Majiir>
(on Twitch anyway)
<G-Mobile>
right
<Majiir>
I want the ads to just not be there, but this is not an option
<SilverFox>
i wonder if hitomi tanaka did vr porn
<G-Mobile>
you can emulate this behavior on youtube, I can see ways it'd work out on twitch
<Majiir>
I know some people would donate, I know some people hate the ads, and I know I don't give a shit about the pennies of revenue I'd get from monetizing my stuff
<Majiir>
There's an intersection here that is not being served
<SilverFox>
TheKosmonaut, does japan have their own version of aegyo?
<G-Mobile>
actually no, I can't resolve this on twitch
<G-Mobile>
twitch ads play at multiple viewers at once, so the number of views you'd be aborting would vary relative to current viewers
<Majiir>
This is fine
<G-Mobile>
with youtube you're dealing with individual viewers
<Majiir>
The more views I get, the faster the pool is depleted
<SilverFox>
hoooooly fuck I never realized how much hitomi looks like an orge
<SilverFox>
ogre
<SilverFox>
she looks like that thing from that movie
<Majiir>
But if someone donates $5, that's $5 worth of ads that won't get played to my viewers
<G-Mobile>
though if I were twitch I'd charge a constant rate that's 90% of the highest CPM offered, with bulk packaging, so you can't abort 6 views, you have to abort 100 views at a time
<G-Mobile>
2$ CPM is the average, so say the max is more like 5, that'd be 50 cents per ad for majiir to skip
<SilverFox>
"in Cars 2, at the airport the cars have to go through TSA checks and take off their wheels and stuff which implies the Cars universe had a 9/11"
<SilverFox>
"Planes are sentient in the cars universe. Did cars hijack the plane or did the planes fly themselves"
<SilverFox>
"they have a car pope. a car jesus died on a car cross"
<G-Mobile>
also, cars are alive, but tires aren't part of their body
<G-Mobile>
there are insect cars with tires
<SilverFox>
Greys, find me a car doujin on g-ehentai.org
<G-Mobile>
SilverFox: I'm at work, I can't find you porn
<SilverFox>
find it when not at work
<G-Mobile>
neither of us is going to remember that
<SilverFox>
this task isn't that time- HOLY FUCK I HEAR SCRATCHING IN THE WALLS AT NIGHT IM GOING TO DIE
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<G-Mobile>
see what we did now?
<SilverFox>
he does that on his own
<SilverFox>
how great, there's a group called pocket girls, and they have members; Soyoon and Suyeon
<SilverFox>
both with sizable breasts apparently
<G-Mobile>
would they fit in your pocket?
<SilverFox>
the breasts or the girls?
<G-Mobile>
the girls without the breasks
<G-Mobile>
breasts*
<SilverFox>
uhhh
<SilverFox>
it might be a bit bloody but if you have big pockets sure
<G-Mobile>
assume the boobs are hanging out of the pocket
<SilverFox>
they aren't super smol
<G-Mobile>
fuckin ... have you watched the alienware area-51 video yet?
<SilverFox>
ye
<SilverFox>
he disapproves
<SilverFox>
spoilers
<SilverFox>
it sucks and is like 4 grand
<G-Mobile>
did you notice this is a threadripper showcase PC with nvidia cards in it?
<SilverFox>
ye?
<SilverFox>
vega isnt commercial yet
<G-Mobile>
AMD needs to finish getting their shit together
<G-Mobile>
they've been doing great but it's falling off schedule
<SilverFox>
vega's probs gonna come out before volta
<G-Mobile>
wtf is volta?
<SilverFox>
..the new architecture from nvidia
<G-Mobile>
I should fucking hope it does
<SilverFox>
idk if it's a new architecture or if its just a refresh
<G-Mobile>
like, if I wanted to build a PC right now, I couldn't put together a set of parts I'd be happy with
<SilverFox>
1070 is a nice middleground between an ok 1060 and a pretty damn good 1080
<SilverFox>
depends on your budget
<G-Mobile>
NZXT doesn't make an H440 without a window in black, intel is really not competing, and I fucking refuse to go less than full AMD
<SilverFox>
wellll, you'll be waiting awhile for vega
<G-Mobile>
I feel like AMD is holding back on their next gen cards becauuse they haven't figured out how to prevent miners from ruining their economy
<G-Mobile>
oddly though I don't hate the concept of that triangle case
<SilverFox>
I mean, miners suck, yes
<G-Mobile>
I do hate that specific case but now that idea is in the mix for DIY case considerations
<SilverFox>
for use that dont mine
<G-Mobile>
for us?
<SilverFox>
ye
<SilverFox>
however, from a business standpoint, product off shel is product off shelf
<G-Mobile>
yea, they swoop in and induce artificial market scarcity that skyrockets prices, so adoption of new generations is poor
<SilverFox>
until shit balances out 6 months later
<G-Mobile>
now is like the first or second worst time to build a new PC in the last fifteen years because of inflated prices due to miners
<G-Mobile>
it should be the first best time because of new product lines that are really exceptional
<SilverFox>
so, they can purposely disable, or severely underclock their cards on mining software/whatever?
<G-Mobile>
do you watch WAN show?
<SilverFox>
not really
<SilverFox>
only when the title is clickbaitey enough
<G-Mobile>
it's part of my weekly schedule, I have extremely little reliability in my life given I work different days every week, so it helps tie me down
<SilverFox>
okay
<SilverFox>
that's good you have some stability
<G-Mobile>
they were talking about it and I think there's going to be a video soon, AMD is going to sell threadripper I think in packages with coupons
<SilverFox>
yeah I saw that
<G-Mobile>
so you pay a hundred or two more, and get coupons for motherboards and displays
<SilverFox>
yup
<G-Mobile>
coupons that are not valuable to someone whose just going to plug the card into an existing system
<SilverFox>
mhm
<G-Mobile>
vastly biasing the value towards new machines
<SilverFox>
right
<G-Mobile>
and they won't be selling these things without the coupons for like the first six months
<SilverFox>
oh so they will sell them without it eventually?
<G-Mobile>
of course, miners aren't harmful after market adoption has settled
<SilverFox>
good
<SilverFox>
I'll probably be getting a ryzen 1200
<G-Mobile>
it's when miners prevent normal customers from being able to access the product when it's at media peak that they harm the overall life cycle of the platform
<SilverFox>
maybe 1300x if the price is right
<SilverFox>
inb4 miners still buy and just sell off coupons
<G-Mobile>
just look at how long it took for 1080s to be available at all, and then for less than 1500USD
<G-Mobile>
they'll probably soulbind the coupons or something
<SilverFox>
how?
<G-Mobile>
like, make you register with AMD's site to get the coupon, and then the coupon operates through AMD's site, and is bound to your account, so to sell the coupon you'd have to sell the account
<SilverFox>
ah
<SilverFox>
that still works though
<G-Mobile>
they can require a unique email address
<G-Mobile>
so you'd also need to make a new gmail account, and sell that
<SilverFox>
the thing would be to severely gimp performance in mining loads
<SilverFox>
temporarily
<G-Mobile>
I don't think that's really practical
<SilverFox>
Anti-Mining technology
<G-Mobile>
like, what if a game looks too much like mining
<SilverFox>
then it wont perform that well for like, 3 months
<SilverFox>
they release update and it's back to full perf
<G-Mobile>
this is like racial bias in the judicial system, it's too complicated to design a system that's specifically targeted and not broadly exploitable
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<G-Mobile>
the best practice is always to make it generalized and not exploitable, and just change your views
<SilverFox>
thing is, isnt mining loads a bunch of hte same task over and over and over?
<G-Mobile>
gaming can be too
<SilverFox>
what games tho?
<G-Mobile>
minecraft
<G-Mobile>
it's just a huge array
<G-Mobile>
and what about scientific workloads, are you going to make a secret research unlocked firmware and hope on the success of your new platform that it doesn't get leaked?
<G-Mobile>
what about science-like phys sims like n... beam... g... or the driving trucks through russian mud game
<G-Mobile>
if KSP was less jenky it could fall into that
<SilverFox>
can the driver software check what software is running?
<SilverFox>
if it can, then easy, flag the software that is mining
<SilverFox>
mining software*
<G-Mobile>
that's very easy to spoof
<SilverFox>
if they know that it's the software that's the problem
<SilverFox>
you market it as "Anti-Mining Technology" in the processor
<SilverFox>
and say no more
<SilverFox>
show benchmark perfs of mining software being gimped
<SilverFox>
that's all you need
<G-Mobile>
there's two approaches to that, design what amounts to a virus detection engine that can determine if a given piece of software is composed of or behaving congruently with profiled behaviors, or you validate and authenticate known good processes
<G-Mobile>
both of those are the kind of thing you could spend an entire company on
<G-Mobile>
AMD could hire AVG to make them a profile engine, but there goes their profits
<SilverFox>
I think my idea would work nicely
<G-Mobile>
and as long as the executibles are signed they could authenticate fairly easily, but that's still huge
<SilverFox>
the less talked about of the process, the better
<G-Mobile>
anything they run on the card to profile workloads would slow the card down and occupy some overhead, making their card worse for everyone
<SilverFox>
software-hardware triggers
<G-Mobile>
overhead, processing delays
<SilverFox>
physical switch to cores or some shit
<G-Mobile>
what?
<SilverFox>
software -> hardware switch to the shit
<G-Mobile>
what?
<SilverFox>
physically gimp it
<SilverFox>
turn shit off
<G-Mobile>
yea yea, the gimping is easy
<G-Mobile>
the knowing what to gimp is hard and has consequences
<SilverFox>
this wouldn't incur processing overhead
<SilverFox>
because it'd be seperate
<SilverFox>
like an arduino powering a relay
<G-Mobile>
that's gimping
<SilverFox>
yeah
<G-Mobile>
gimping is easy
<G-Mobile>
knowing what to gimp is hard
<SilverFox>
with no processing overhead to the card
<G-Mobile>
then how will you know what to gimp
<SilverFox>
software
<G-Mobile>
overhead, processing delays
<SilverFox>
onGameStart()
<G-Mobile>
?
<SilverFox>
only do it when the game starts
<SilverFox>
application*
<SilverFox>
exe
<SilverFox>
.
<G-Mobile>
then you don't have anything to profile
<SilverFox>
like I said, take out the big and common mining ones
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<G-Mobile>
easy to spoof
<G-Mobile>
you need profiling to make spoofing hard
<SilverFox>
if they know what to spoof
<G-Mobile>
nah, it's pretty easy to just spoof everything
<SilverFox>
the big part of this is making sure little people as possible know the process behind it
<SilverFox>
miners aren't going to spoof everything, especially they aren't going to start randomly
<G-Mobile>
make the entire program look different, change all the names, add in and move around lots of junk code; basically what any obfuscator does
<SilverFox>
all people know is that this card cant do mining better than a pi can
<G-Mobile>
you can quite easily make a given codebase compile into a very different looking program that would require significant profiling consideration to prove is actually the program
<SilverFox>
if you dont know whats causing the issue, you can't fix it
<SilverFox>
all they'd know is the card is shit at mining
<SilverFox>
no one knows why
<SilverFox>
it just is
<G-Mobile>
there's even huge swaths of the program that could be made in many different ways, so you make the different ways and put them together randomly to make something that's functionally the same
<G-Mobile>
you don't need to know what to spoof, just spoof it all, it's easy
<SilverFox>
but you dont have a need to spoof it all
<G-Mobile>
and there are thousands of people who have money at stake
<SilverFox>
so they wont
<G-Mobile>
sure you do
<SilverFox>
I can bet you miners dont spoof everything, or anything
<G-Mobile>
the firmware is clearly targeting your software, so spoof it all
<SilverFox>
because they dont have to
<SilverFox>
it isnt clearly doing anything
<G-Mobile>
you think the new best card performing worse than the old best card isn't obvious?
<SilverFox>
of course it is
<SilverFox>
but your first reaction isn't "hey lets lie to it"
<G-Mobile>
look at me
<G-Mobile>
I just did
<SilverFox>
or even better
<G-Mobile>
I'm not a miner
<SilverFox>
no marketing
<SilverFox>
you dont market it as anti-miner
<SilverFox>
it performs well in game benchmarks shown
<G-Mobile>
do you think people are literally sheep?
<SilverFox>
I mean
<SilverFox>
is this not true?
<SilverFox>
have the sheeple awoken in the last 6 months?
<G-Mobile>
do you think people will just see shit's not working as it should and think "Welp, that sucks, guess I'll be a farmer"
<G-Mobile>
hackers exist in every fucking game, usually for no benefit
<G-Mobile>
miners make money
<G-Mobile>
there's probably people out there that hack solitare
<SilverFox>
if they cant make their shit work, they'll re-sell it
<G-Mobile>
there's probably people out there that hack physical solitare
<SilverFox>
hold up
<SilverFox>
those are called "Magicians"
<G-Mobile>
what makes you think they can't make it work?
<G-Mobile>
no they're called cheaters
<SilverFox>
I mean, okay
<G-Mobile>
it's an absolute certainty that when you harm people's way of making money, they will do something about it, and in the case of the people that make mining software that something is figure out how to bypass your thing; it'll probably be broken day one if not day zero
<G-Mobile>
I wouldn't be surprized if it's even a negative day thing
<kmath>
YouTube - solitaire hack - win solitaire in one click
<G-Mobile>
good tube yo
<SilverFox>
thanks
<G-Mobile>
so be serious, are you not getting my position?
<SilverFox>
I understand where you're coming from ye
<SilverFox>
however, it'll also waste the miner's time
<SilverFox>
because they wont know what to do immediately, it'll take a day or a few
<SilverFox>
in which their machines wont be running
<SilverFox>
so there's also that side to it
<SilverFox>
"fuck with the miners"
<G-Mobile>
I doubt you could produce an effective anti-miner methodology that would work for six months, without putting in the effort of a medium sized tech startup; every time you put out a new better card
<G-Mobile>
no no, the miners don't have to take down their machines while they figure this out
<SilverFox>
well they need the cards in to troubleshoot
<SilverFox>
and that machine isn't mining
<G-Mobile>
they'll buy new cards and put them in side machines and figure out how to make it work then transition
<SilverFox>
that too
<G-Mobile>
the side machines don't need to be as good, they can be the home desktop
<G-Mobile>
once you get it running then you start swapping out and liquidating old stock
<G-Mobile>
what you're threatening is increased revenue, not constant revenue
<G-Mobile>
you're threatening mo' money
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<SilverFox>
hmmmm
<G-Mobile>
say I had a wheel that could make your F1 car go 12% faster, but it used a weird seven pointed reverse spiral lug pattern specifically so you couldn't use it
<G-Mobile>
you wouldn't take all the wheels off your car and then go make an adapter plate
<SilverFox>
yeah yeah I get it
<G-Mobile>
the effective path is economic
<G-Mobile>
make it prohibitively expensive for miners to get what they need, in a way that isn't harmful to the majority of normal consumers
<SilverFox>
like what they're doing yeah yeah
<G-Mobile>
say, 1 card is 7000 cad, two cards is 12000 cad each, 3 cards is 40000cad each, and track credit cards to enforce this scaling
<G-Mobile>
normal people buy one exactly one card
<SilverFox>
that's saving 2000CAD for 2 cards
<SilverFox>
that's a deal
<G-Mobile>
each
<SilverFox>
oh
<SilverFox>
right
<SilverFox>
wtf
<SilverFox>
what about SLI setups?
<G-Mobile>
we see broken discount schemes on sites all the time
<G-Mobile>
within a rounding error, nobody uses SLI
<G-Mobile>
probably 3% of all videocard purchases contain more than one card
<G-Mobile>
of that, probably 97% contain exactly two cards; and I bet more than half of those are not going in the same system
<SilverFox>
I say do the thing at 3 cards
<G-Mobile>
;wa 3 percent of 3 percent
<kmath>
G-Mobile: 3%×3%: 9×10^-4
<G-Mobile>
that many percent is roughly the global population of miners
<SilverFox>
and yet they cause such a disturbance
<G-Mobile>
yep
<SilverFox>
yet, there's another threat
<SilverFox>
an equally big threat
<SilverFox>
scalpers
<G-Mobile>
scalpers are basically selling to miners most of the time so it's about the same
<SilverFox>
scalpers were a huge issue with the nintendo switch
<G-Mobile>
most consumers are not willing to pay double the price to have a fancy new thing
<G-Mobile>
it's like luxury cars
<G-Mobile>
take a hyundai SUV, make it fancy, an extremely small portion of the consumer base will pay you five times as much, but it cost you 5% more to do that, so there's a lot of profit
<G-Mobile>
miners make up the majority of that extremely small portion because having the card is profitable, where for normal consumers it's just a luxury
<SilverFox>
okay but here's this: the nintendo switch was hard to come by for months after its release because scalpers
<SilverFox>
I had to deal with this until I got mine finally
<SilverFox>
managed to get one during the 5 minutes it was in stock
<G-Mobile>
likewise with console scalpers the majority of the extremely small portion allowing that to be a business is youtubers and streamers who need the object to do a job that they will get paid more for the sooner they have it
<SilverFox>
nope, there's more than that
<G-Mobile>
no that's not scalpers, that's nintenndo
<G-Mobile>
nintendo can't supply chain for fuck
<SilverFox>
you are underestimateing the amount of people that will pay more to get one
<SilverFox>
also, youtubers who are important get sent consoles by nintendo
<G-Mobile>
if they were putting out an appropriate number of units there would not have been a market for scalpers
<G-Mobile>
youtubers who are important are not the only youtubers who profit from timeliness
<G-Mobile>
I'm sure if you look at channel ranks over time, all of the youtubers who had a switch week one saw a surge in views and subscribers; to some degree that's permanent profit, and if you look at similar channels that would given the choice be putting out switch content, they probably sagged at the same time
<G-Mobile>
and that trend probably continues until today with less effect; owning a switch is profitable for that kind of channel
<G-Mobile>
you waited
<G-Mobile>
because you only wanted one
<G-Mobile>
gotta do the work thing
<SilverFox>
I waited because there was none to get
<G-Mobile>
that you would pay for
<G-Mobile>
Yanno how my ex-dad can go fuck himself?
<G-Mobile>
He was a scalper
<SilverFox>
i bet he was a child traffiker too
<G-Mobile>
The original DS, spiderman package
<SilverFox>
fuckin rackin up them bad boy points
<G-Mobile>
I fucking would not be surprized
<SilverFox>
276.2s irc lag
<SilverFox>
new record
<G-Mobile>
Your next major purchase needs to be a new network
<G-Mobile>
I know the internet is shit too
<G-Mobile>
But this is half and half
<SilverFox>
i need to buy a new ISP
<SilverFox>
thing is, I dont own the network, my parents do
<SilverFox>
and of course "it works just fine for me"
<SilverFox>
which fucking pisses me off to no end
<SilverFox>
I have offered to pay for it, fully
<SilverFox>
but they still dont see a need in switching, because "it works just fine for me"
<G-Mobile>
Yea, but if you give them a new network for christmas, its against western morals to decline
<SilverFox>
yeah but I can't do that
<SilverFox>
because that'd be fucking stupid
<G-Mobile>
I've done that before
<SilverFox>
had two networks going at once?
<SilverFox>
for a month?
<G-Mobile>
No, given my mom a router for christmas
<SilverFox>
a new router isnt going to do shit
<SilverFox>
its only going to make our network not work
<SilverFox>
in which renders it useless
<SilverFox>
and a waste of the stupid amount of money a decent router costs
<G-Mobile>
Hunderd bucks
<SilverFox>
what I need to do is make it not "fine for m"
<SilverFox>
me*
<SilverFox>
I tried restarting the router from my room super sekrit, but their fucking roku internet tv service buffers enough of their show to last throughout the restart
<G-Mobile>
You bought an oculus shortly after buying a switch, you can afford a router and modem
<SilverFox>
I did not purchase the switch
<SilverFox>
it was a gift
<SilverFox>
and I paid half of the oculus
<G-Mobile>
From grandma pappy?
<SilverFox>
from my mother
<G-Mobile>
Half an oculus is still a lot
<SilverFox>
so in the last year I spent 250$ on a thing
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<SilverFox>
last year sometime I purchased my gtx 1060
<SilverFox>
basically, I get one good thing a year that I buy
<SilverFox>
I know you are at work, so I wont send ye nsfw shit
<G-Mobile>
eh
<G-Mobile>
you expect me to believe that?
<SilverFox>
yeah?
<SilverFox>
I believe it
<G-Mobile>
...
<SilverFox>
are ye gonna open it?
<G-Mobile>
that was the "eh"
<SilverFox>
oh
<SilverFox>
well
<SilverFox>
if you could nuke the court system and make it better, what would you do?
<G-Mobile>
I think the court system is pretty well designed, and I'm going to say the laws are not part of the judicial branch since they have no authority over them
<SilverFox>
what I'd do is have courts be like a single/double-blind trial
<G-Mobile>
that sounds impractical
<SilverFox>
the judge and jury dont get names of those accused or defending
<G-Mobile>
part of the american system is that the trial proccess must be reasonably expedient
<SilverFox>
lemme carry on
<G-Mobile>
why do you have a jury in a civil case?
<SilverFox>
stfu
<SilverFox>
they dont get name, gender, skin colour
<SilverFox>
this helps prevent biases
<SilverFox>
and passes
<SilverFox>
victims are referred to as "victim N" or "accused N"
<G-Mobile>
so you want a fully text based legal system
<SilverFox>
not really
<lpg>
not necessarily text based, but limited information
<SilverFox>
but kinda I guess
<lpg>
interesting
<G-Mobile>
no sight based evidence, no sight based witnery
<G-Mobile>
you'd need a department of abstraction to scrub everything the judge and jury will be eposed to of identifying or even descrbing information
<G-Mobile>
you'd probably need to randomly locate the trial so the judge and jury can't use geographic prejudices
<SilverFox>
basically, present your evidence with as little possible bias
<SilverFox>
geographic isn't a problem
<lpg>
G-Mobile: just the courthouse of the city where everyone's being pulled from?
<SilverFox>
it's a non-problem
<lpg>
I like the name 'department of abstraction'
<SilverFox>
it'd create jobs
<SilverFox>
I'd be creating more jobs than trump has
<SilverFox>
I'd be more successful at net job gain than the president of the states
<lpg>
Do you think there would be useful information that would be lost?
<G-Mobile>
lpg: what do you mena with teh courthouse part
<SilverFox>
Im rather sure his net job state is negative
<G-Mobile>
what if the trial is about a hate crime
<SilverFox>
so?
<lpg>
there's issues with evidence if there's video/audio recording
<lpg>
or... witness accounts
<SilverFox>
hrmmm
<G-Mobile>
if you're not allowed to describe that the plantiff is a muslim woman and the accused is a redneck white guy; how can you argue that his actions were driven by her race without revealing race or gender for either
<lpg>
There would be *MASSIVE* trust issues with the Department of Abstraction since they'd have lots of power
<SilverFox>
Department of Monitoring
<SilverFox>
which is a thing in the double-blind trial
<lpg>
checks and balances *within* the judicial branch, nice
<G-Mobile>
the abstraction and deabstraction branch
<SilverFox>
in a double-blind trial the doctors and patients dont know who gets what, but it's decided on by a board of people
<SilverFox>
there is an overseer
<SilverFox>
oh wait
<SilverFox>
that's it
<lpg>
in a double-blind trial there's an objective goal of progressing science
<lpg>
not convicting people
<SilverFox>
a completely impartial party to view evidence as it comes in to come to a decision
<SilverFox>
but wait
<SilverFox>
that's a J U D G E
<G-Mobile>
somebody should do a porn where there's a bunch of people laying through holes in the wall doing a randomized double blind trial to figure out if they can discern dildos from dicks
<lpg>
completely impartial is mutually exclusive with 'human'
<SilverFox>
indeed
<lpg>
I have two proposals that are both better than SilverFox's
<SilverFox>
G-Mobile, it'd be funny because hte person sucking/fucking would have to be blindfolded
<SilverFox>
that's not an impressive feat tbh, dont pride yourself too much
<G-Mobile>
no sucking, that's what the wall is for
<lpg>
there's a 25% chance of conviction for every crime proposed
<lpg>
OR
<SilverFox>
wait wut
<G-Mobile>
uh?
<lpg>
yep, that's it
<SilverFox>
hold up
<lpg>
you murdered someone, we go to court, roll a d4
<SilverFox>
nono
<SilverFox>
they say you murdered someone
<SilverFox>
innocent until proven guilty
<lpg>
innocent until you roll a 1
<G-Mobile>
what if we invent a spray that turns red when it touches a murderer
<SilverFox>
this is the worst idea you could ever conjure about the justice system
<lpg>
alright, here's the better one
<SilverFox>
G-Mobile, you would win every prize ever
<SilverFox>
even grammys
<G-Mobile>
I refuse due to kanye
<G-Mobile>
now you'll never get murderspray
<lpg>
jury-by-mail, the only information they get are pictures of the defendant and plaintiff
<SilverFox>
but wait
<SilverFox>
that introduces bias
<G-Mobile>
fucking... criminal cases don't have plaintiffs
<lpg>
yep
<lpg>
you just send in a card that says "guilty" or "not guilty"
<lpg>
quick and easy
<G-Mobile>
and civil cases don't have juries!
<lpg>
I guess we'll just have to fall back to d4 justice
<SilverFox>
the whole point is to reduce the "pussy pass" effect and the racial effect
<lpg>
sure, conviction by chance does that
<SilverFox>
but it completely destroys the system
<SilverFox>
is uncivil
<lpg>
it puts everyone on a level playing field
<SilverFox>
there are a few things here that are fundamental to justice
<lpg>
alright alright new idea
<SilverFox>
the cornerstone of justice is "innocent until proven guilty"
<lpg>
all affected members of the case are replaced by stand-in actors
<SilverFox>
nope
<G-Mobile>
clearly the solution is to let the defendent accrue modifiers
<lpg>
now you're on the same wavelength as me, Greys
<G-Mobile>
cut to five weeks later: And that's why the implementation of classes are critical to a fair trial
<lpg>
instead of convicting some random kid from down the block, you're convicting George Clooney
<G-Mobile>
from ocean's eleven
<G-Mobile>
he's a charisma rogue, so be careful and make a lot of insight checks
<SilverFox>
im going to bed
<G-Mobile>
do you remember in oceans not eleven when clooney's love interest from the first movie, now his wife, has to pretend to be who she actually is and everybody's a little incredulous
<G-Mobile>
julia roberts
<G-Mobile>
julia roberts' character has to pretend to actually be julia roberts
<G-Mobile>
what the fuck
<G-Mobile>
Ocean's Eight, a female only spinoff of Oceans Eleven currently in production
<G-Mobile>
this is going to be intensely sexist
<G-Mobile>
they're already in a bad spot by having three fewer oceans
<G-Mobile>
holy shit
<G-Mobile>
there is a woman named Awkwafina
<G-Mobile>
oh, she's one of those internet artists
<G-Mobile>
there are more people cameoing in this movie as there are people acting in this movie
<G-Mobile>
they fucked up!
<G-Mobile>
female ocean only has seven
<G-Mobile>
in Ocean's Eleven Danny Ocean collects a team of eleven highly skilled thieves to help him steal his wife back
<G-Mobile>
in Oceans Eight Debbie Ocean collects a team of seven randos to do steal some stuff from her shitty boyfriend
<G-Mobile>
also necessary to point out that Rihanna is going to play some kind of ghetto gang themed individual
<G-Mobile>
good job having a bunch of white girls, an asian girl, and a black girl, and making the black girl a racist stereotype
<G-Mobile>
wow, rihana's character actually looks like the heyeyey song singer
<kmath>
YouTube - Infinite Looping Siri, Alexa and Google Home
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<G-Mobile>
Hardwood Activated Charcoal, as if charcoal, that is activated by hardwood
<G-Mobile>
Always ready, waiting, prepared, for action
<darklight>
I've completely forgotten what activated charcoal actually does
<G-Mobile>
Its got a hell of a lot if surface area so it binds with shit real good
<G-Mobile>
SilverFox: medical grade silly putty you leave in the freezer and use as a compress
<darklight>
Bonds with positive ions maybe?
<G-Mobile>
It bonds with anything carbon bonds with
<G-Mobile>
And its surface area makes it's bonding force high, while also letting a whole lot bind before it's satisfied
<G-Mobile>
"Every time if you use new batteries for this power bank, please charge it first. This is for activating the electrical circuit. No chargingg time is requsted, just charge a second and let it feel the electricity. If you don't want to charge it, you can also charge one or two new batteries, but not all the four batteries a time"
<darklight>
Low voltage cutout circuit
<G-Mobile>
what?
<G-Mobile>
are you trying to get logic out of that?
<kmath>
YouTube - US Senator - Two Nukes wasn't Enough
<darklight>
SF in canada the black man holds the white man up?
<darklight>
*On a throne
<SilverFox>
ye
<SilverFox>
here in canada
<darklight>
SF I've seen that meat pie thing
<SilverFox>
we stick with T R A D I T I O N A L values
<darklight>
Greys because defining the metre is arbitrary already, so we redefined it to that speed as it was close to what we had
<darklight>
I think...
<SilverFox>
everything is fucking arbitrary
<SilverFox>
kys
<darklight>
Vibration of some crystal for time, amount of atoms of something for kg, and light travelling that speed are all universal constants though, so we can tell aliens about our measurement system
<darklight>
I was going to say "most of france would be white", but then went to find the number to not be a moron, and "Due to a law dating from 1872, the French Republic prohibits performing census by making distinction between its citizens regarding their race or their beliefs" france is colourblind it seems :P
<SilverFox>
sick
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<darklight>
"Great fragence without a flame, although that just depends on what voltage you use this on"
<SilverFox>
clive?
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<SilverFox>
so continuing story on that time I fired an account manager: they gave me premium service for free