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<Majiir>
Canadabux(tm)
<SilverFox>
ye
<SilverFox>
but there was a condition
<SilverFox>
only could get 3
<SilverFox>
and ice cream machine wasnt broke, so good day overall
<Majiir>
I didn't buy a house today
<Majiir>
I also got a raise this week that nobody told me about
<SilverFox>
wow look at mr.rich over here
<SilverFox>
buyin houses and shit
<Majiir>
*Not* buying houses, to be precise
<Majiir>
I don't buy a house every single day
<SilverFox>
having the ability to buy houses
<SilverFox>
sure you dont
<Majiir>
Buying a house is EZPZ
<SilverFox>
that's why you do it every day
<SilverFox>
because they're worth nothing to you
<Majiir>
Put bout tree fiddy down and pay your monthly payment
<Majiir>
It's waaaay easier to buy for living in than to buy as an investment
<SilverFox>
what's the difference here?
<SilverFox>
buying for the sake of buying vs buying to live?
<Majiir>
Lenders can offer different terms for the two cases, and improperly declaring your purpose for buying is illegal
<SilverFox>
wow really
<Majiir>
Homes you live in have lower rates and much easier requirements than homes to buy for vacation or investment properties
<Majiir>
There are also special programs to make it easier to buy your first home, etc
<SilverFox>
ahh
<SilverFox>
makes sense
<Majiir>
...kind of.
<Majiir>
It's the sort of "makes sense" that leads to a housing collapse
<SilverFox>
how so?
<SilverFox>
collapse as in, houses are too expensive to afford, or houses are too cheap that you dont get shit for them and you lose money selling it back?
<Majiir>
These programs are all about letting people get houses who can't afford to have houses at the rates that lenders would ordinarily set
<SilverFox>
ahh
<Majiir>
It tends to lead to people having houses who can't afford payments etc
<Majiir>
It's not purely *bad* for that reason, but it's an effect
<SilverFox>
makes sense
<Majiir>
See: 2007
<SilverFox>
why is the market that desperate then?
<SilverFox>
surely they wouldnt do it if they werent desperate
<Majiir>
It's not the market
<Majiir>
It's government
<SilverFox>
ahh
<SilverFox>
the enemy of the people
<Majiir>
Or the government mandating that the "free market" participants do certain things
<Majiir>
or strongly incentivizing
<Majiir>
I'm actually okay with incentives if they're responsibly applied
<Majiir>
Incentives like "if you do this, we'll incentivize you by not tripling your taxes!" are not what I'd call responsible
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<MobileFox>
Incentives like: "if you buy a house we'll give you 5% off furniture for said house"?
<Majiir>
Silly
<MobileFox>
Equally silly?
<Majiir>
More silly
<MobileFox>
Hmmm
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<MobileFox>
What would be a good incentive to you then?
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<Majiir>
A good local example is many fire houses will fill your pool for free if you agree to let your pool water be used for fighting fires
<Majiir>
I think some places just mandate that you have to give your water to firefighters anyway
<MobileFox>
That's the logical thing to do
<Majiir>
but why not build good will and make it an option
<MobileFox>
And moral
<Majiir>
There's a lot of room for deals without coercion
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<SilverFox>
Re:Zero is a really neat concept
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<Greys>
SilverFox I hear it's also a good show, but it doesn't interest me so I can't say from experience
<SilverFox>
I'm enjoying it so far
<SilverFox>
dude has a curse or some shit
<SilverFox>
has some ability to revert back to last save point when he physically dies
<SilverFox>
but retains his memories
<Greys>
oh no, that's the other one
<Greys>
yea that one goes to shit
<SilverFox>
so basically any game with save states
<SilverFox>
dont tell me anything at all about the show until I'm done
<Greys>
so the best waifu right now is Holo, from Spice & Wolf, a monotonous and long winded pseudoromance between a facetless trader and a nature goddess in medieval/darkages europe; but it's actually a sampler course on economic theory
<Greys>
the To Aru franchise is basically a crap festival built on some very interesting hills, I don't recommend you watch it but there's cool narrative goings on when it's not dumb as shit
<SilverFox>
enough loli talk, I have a show to watch
<Greys>
so's in To Aru no Railgun the story focuses on this girl Misaka, who is the third most immenently destructive human being on the planet because she can do arbitrary bullshit with electrons; including create magnetic accelorators out of literally nothing, allowing her to flick coins at hypersonic speeds
<Greys>
so da govamant goes to her when she was an idiot child and's all like "if you don't sign this document lots of people you empathize with will suffer a lot", and then they cloned the shit out of her
<Greys>
but then, the reason they were cloning the shit out of her, is that the first most immenently destructive human being is this faggot who can arbitrally control "vectors", but he's not really that strong yet because he needs battle experience to apply this skill effectively
<Greys>
and a supercomputer in space told the scientisers that if they threw ten thousand misaka clones at this guy, and he killed them all in self defense, then he'd be the very best; so they did that
<Greys>
of course, normal functioning human brains would not participate willingly in a genocide of themselves, so to make them willing, all the clones are emotionally undeveloped automotauns, but doing this broke their ability to see magnetism, so they have to wear special bullshit goggles
<Greys>
btw, all this also made the vector guy super sadistic and gave him a god complex
<Greys>
also this kinda goes into To Aru Majutsu no Index
<Greys>
in majutsu no index there's this loli who the christian church has magically modified to be a container of all the ancient magics (btw there's magic) who comes to this city and meets this guy who's right hand breaks all the things that seem fictional, so magic doesn't work on him, and neither do superpowers, so he beats up the vector guy and has a romance with misaka because she can't shoot him with coins to death and that makes her really want to bone down
<Greys>
after beating the vector guy the malformed loli misaka who is does have emotions hooks up with him and becomes his moral center in a weird parenthood redemption cycle
<kmath>
YouTube - To Aru Kagaku no Railgun - Bank Robbery
<FoxBot9000>
yt: To Aru Kagaku no Railgun - Bank Robbery | Eruruu08
<Greys>
it's also like, insultingly disrespectful of basic thought and behavior considerations
<Greys>
at the end she shoots the guy's car, causing it to flip through the air, over her, to where everybody else is, and land face down; the driver is certainly dead, she just killed a man
<Greys>
but from all the previous positioning it would be reasonable to believe that the car could have landed on every other character, and the shrapnel of such a collision of car and street would have been it's own hazard to the area, threatening everyone including misaka
<Greys>
the car is undamaged by her shot, so it's not clear what launched it, probably magnetics; but that means she missed the car, shooting down a public street, in a densely populated city
<Greys>
it's plainly visible in the distance that the terrain drops away and there are buildings crossing above less than a mile away
<Greys>
she just shot an artillery piece into a populated building.
<Greys>
not to mention she definitively destroyed the fuck out of this street
<Rokker>
i hereby declare this channel #autism
<SilverFox>
Greys, so what else goes down?
<Greys>
really not much
<Greys>
the church loli's clothes are made of magic so when the guy touches them they explode
<FoxBot9000>
yt: Shinryaku! Ika Musume OP HD | Zarbos
<Greys>
this is actually a show for children, but it's interesting enough for a few episodes
<Greys>
she's come from the ocean to conquer the land and stop all the pollution
<SilverFox>
oh?
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<Greys>
there's three kinds of shows for children; shows that nobody can enjoy, shows that only children can enjoy, and shows that the parents can also not suffer through; it's the third, like most disney films
<Greys>
vitakker, you should be aware that youtube doesn't provide everyone with the same site, and your refusal to recognize this just further cements your terribleness
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<Greys>
btw, I suspect that anidb's waifu rankings are super biased by low participation
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<SilverFox>
Greys, "<Rokker> SilverFox: feel free to point out that she made the same implication that everyone gets the same youtube with he complaint"
<Greys>
holo has a whole 197 votes, putting her more than double the runner up
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<Greys>
SilverFox, tell vitakker that they're an idiot and should stop having fingers
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<Greys>
SilverFox, if you have a fixed solar array, aligned so the panel normal intersects the average path of the sun and the panel plane is coplanar with the earth's axis of rotation, how much less efficient on average would it be than a sun tracking panel?
<Greys>
I guess it'd be parallel not coplanar
<SilverFox>
yes
<Greys>
can't really put a solar panel in the center of the earth
<SilverFox>
depends on the panel
<Greys>
same panel, different mounting
<SilverFox>
and the latitude
<Greys>
toronto
<SilverFox>
and the time of day
<Greys>
average
<SilverFox>
rather, hours of sunlight
<Greys>
middle of summer
<SilverFox>
and how the panel's efficiency drops relative to the zenith angle
<Greys>
~wa summer 2017 summer solstice
<FoxBot9000>
Greys: summer solstice | 2017: 12:07 am EDT | Wednesday, June 21, 2017
<SilverFox>
the answers you gave me are meaningless
<Greys>
what's typical for home power generation panels?
<SilverFox>
dont know
<SilverFox>
never worked with them
<SilverFox>
you can math it out though
<SilverFox>
as a ratio multiplier to the efficiency drop
<SilverFox>
assuming linear efficiency
<SilverFox>
which is probably wrong
<SilverFox>
maybe at best you'd have a similar brand of solar cells acting in a certain way
<SilverFox>
but it's like asking "how well does this overclock?"
<SilverFox>
it's all up to the silicon
<Greys>
silicon isn't real though
<SilverFox>
whatever, I'm going back to watching my show
<SilverFox>
you can math this out logically
<SilverFox>
if I can figure out an idea on how to math it, you should be able to as well
<Greys>
looks like in this one specific case the tracker provided 40% more energy on an anual average, but on a daily basis the benefit of the tracker varied from.. eh, it's easier to go the other way; the deficit of the fixed mounting was between 99% and 8%
<Greys>
trackers b worth it
<SilverFox>
indeed
<SilverFox>
a tracker is definitely worth it
<SilverFox>
that is undisputed
<Rokker>
nothing is worth it when you live in detroit
<Greys>
I think it is, lots of people, probably most people, don't get trackers
<SilverFox>
trackers ontop of a house are stupid as fuck though
<SilverFox>
anything that big shouldn't be moving ontop of a roof
<Greys>
from what I'm seeing one panel with a tracker could do the job of 2 or 3 panels without depending on what you need to see
<Greys>
need to power*
<Greys>
mostly because of how poorly the panels work off axis
<Greys>
say an hour after sunrise, a tracker is producing 95%+ max output; but the fixed is basically not producing anything
<Greys>
following this logic, you wouldn't even need a full motion tracker, if you could get within 15 degrees of the sun you'd be losing 5% or less
<Greys>
25 degrees of the sun for 10% loss
<Greys>
is the angular travel of the sun as observed from the surface of a sphere 180 degrees?
<SilverFox>
from the surface of the earth, yes
<SilverFox>
because of how big it is
<SilverFox>
to consider any other sphere is irrelevant
<Greys>
well no, the earth has terrain that could significantly reduce it
<SilverFox>
irrelevant
<Greys>
so say in arizona, where there's fuck all cept cactus
<SilverFox>
or the fucking ocean
<Rokker>
...
<Greys>
if you were OK with a 10% loss, you'd only need to be able to tilt 130 degrees on one axis, and what the seasonal adjustment would be 27 degrees for year round tilt following
<Greys>
... does that make sense?
<Greys>
I feel like it doesn't...
<SilverFox>
probably doesnt then
<Greys>
ok, say you wanted to have mostly fixed panels, that only tracked the sun's arch with respect to the seasons
<Greys>
and you lived in a desert that never experiences winter because mexican ghost curses
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<Greys>
you would mount them on an inclined plane, and then you'd need to shift them back and forth by slight amounts daily as the sun's path shifts back and forth
<SilverFox>
you live in desert, automatic panel efficiency decrease
<Greys>
would that range be the angle of the earth?
<Greys>
it's a sandless desert
<Greys>
it's a desert, that has been epoxied in place
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<Greys>
according to this graphic the apex of the sun during the day is +/- 23.5 degrees regardless of latitude; the actual value varies with latitude
<darklight>
Greys iirc you lose around 50% for not tracking?
<SilverFox>
50% sounds adequate
<Greys>
so you'd need to be able to tilt your panels by 47 degrees
<Greys>
given the relative profiles I'm not even concerned with percent, it's more important that for the majority of the day when the panel could be collecting sunlight, it's collecting less than half at best
<Greys>
the percentage of active time when the tracker is producing 90%+ is so much better that fixed becomes laughable
<Greys>
also in 100% of these graphs the fixed panel is producing less at maximum than hte tracker, which must be the seasonal inaccuracy
egg|zzz|egg is now known as egg|afk|egg
<Greys>
I'm not finding any home solar systems that use a single axis to track seasonally, interesting market gap
<Greys>
can you calculate the theoretical maximum energy entering a space in a way that would be useful for contextualizing panel performance and abstract out the panel orientation?
<Greys>
so you could say, for this area, in this place, there is this energy available before inefficiencies
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<Rokker>
>home solar systems
<Rokker>
solar systems tend to be pretty big
<SilverFox>
Rokker, home solars are a thing
<SilverFox>
rooftop panels
<Rokker>
I'm making fun of her wording
<Rokker>
fuck off
<TheKosmonaut>
What up bitches
<Greys>
lolis
<SilverFox>
the great kosmo has returned
<Greys>
we were talking about magical index and squidgirl
<TheKosmonaut>
I’m here to share dank memes and tell greys how shit anime is, and I’m all out of memes... because silver fox stole them all
<TheKosmonaut>
Greys: anime is still shit.
<TheKosmonaut>
Ok. My job is done
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<SilverFox>
kek
<Greys>
did you make that happen
<SilverFox>
nope
<SilverFox>
but was a lovely surprise
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<TheKosmonaut>
I forgot
<SilverFox>
oh shit
<TheKosmonaut>
Greys, I went to Akihabara the other day
<VITAS>
because the speach police has seen that :P
<Rokker>
DAMN
<TheKosmonaut>
Rokker: how insensitive Rokker
<SilverFox>
INSENSITIVE
<TheKosmonaut>
HOOOOOOWWWW INSEEENSITIVE
<VITAS>
!tell Greys theres a lot you dont know about me but dont care to find out because its simpler to geve me the "hes evil" label and be done with it :)
<Qboid>
VITAS: I'll redirect this as soon as they are around.
<TheKosmonaut>
I MUST HAVE SEEMED
<TheKosmonaut>
WHEN HE TOLD ME THAT HE
<TheKosmonaut>
LOOOOOOOVED MEEEEEEE
<Rokker>
~g greys anatomy morbid obesity Meg Marinis
<Qboid>
Greys: VITAS left a message for you in #kspmodders [17.08.2017 08:23:24]: "theres a lot you dont know about me but dont care to find out because its simpler to geve me the "hes evil" label and be done with it :)"
<darklight>
Commies and nazis fighting in the streets!
<Greys>
qboid is Thomas right?
<Rokker>
VITAS: oooooo careful
<VITAS>
yes and trump beeing torn about beeing a nazi and wanting to be liked
<Rokker>
VITAS: look what you have done
<TheKosmonaut>
VITAS: trump is hitler but only 1/5 as eloquent
<TheKosmonaut>
Greys: I am qboid
<TheKosmonaut>
Or was is that he is me
<SilverFox>
this channel is fantastic
<Rokker>
SilverFox: fantastic cancer
<TheKosmonaut>
And only 1/10 as sexy
<VITAS>
i didnt read the news on it. im more concerned about trump and that kimjong caracter getting us into ww3
<SilverFox>
fantaustic
<TheKosmonaut>
VITAS: skim Jong milk won’t get shit done
<VITAS>
SilverFox and SSD fast :P
<Rokker>
VITAS: why the fuck are all of you retards so convinced it would be WW3
<Rokker>
nigga
<SilverFox>
ye boi blazing speeds
<VITAS>
TheKosmonaut, im not so sure about that
<Rokker>
aint nobody gonna fight on north koreas side
<Rokker>
it wont be a world war
<VITAS>
someone must have given him some tech
<Rokker>
it will be a slaughter
<darklight>
Unlike the middle east, the US actually isn't the aggressor here
<TheKosmonaut>
VITAS: if he launches first, China won’t help
<VITAS>
my vote is for some russians
<Rokker>
TheKosmonaut: even if we launch first
<SilverFox>
The Korean Slaughter of 2018
<TheKosmonaut>
VITAS: likely Iran and China
<Rokker>
china wont help
<VITAS>
if he launches there is no help needed anymor
<VITAS>
ebecause it will all go south from that point
<VITAS>
golabaly
<Rokker>
TheKosmonaut: you think china would want to lose their relationship with south korea and america for NORTH KOREA?
<VITAS>
china has no interrest in helping korea in starting a war
<Rokker>
TheKosmonaut: come on squints mcgee, you know your people better than that
<Rokker>
:P
<VITAS>
ruassia on the otherhand has a broken economy and the history of sellign to the highest bidder
<TheKosmonaut>
The US can determine where a missile is going ~30 seconds after launch. If that happens then north kimchi will be bombed to fuck
<TheKosmonaut>
Rokker: they wouldn’t. But you’d likely get a land rush out of China
<TheKosmonaut>
And end up with a new Chinese state or a e - w Germany
<Rokker>
TheKosmonaut: thats how we ended up with north korea in the first place...
<Rokker>
so
<Rokker>
at worst we would still be shrinking north korea
<VITAS>
regarding nazis and left wing activists: i think its a circle: if youre to far left youre the same as beeing to far right
<TheKosmonaut>
Rokker: everyone knows the sequel is better
<VITAS>
some irrational goon who will kill people for his unrealistic views
<TheKosmonaut>
VITAS: according to a redditor with like 600 upvotes that I saw, Stalin was right wing
<TheKosmonaut>
Because he was a dictator
<TheKosmonaut>
Yes
<darklight>
That still makes me laugh
<VITAS>
Isnt beeing a dictator always right wingish?
<TheKosmonaut>
VITAS: cough
<TheKosmonaut>
Uh
<TheKosmonaut>
Castro
<VITAS>
in the end to be in power for long periods you have to find dome group to hate on
<darklight>
Mao was right wing?
<TheKosmonaut>
Chairman Mao
<VITAS>
the us had commis and now have everyone from the middle east
<VITAS>
the russians have germans, us, and non russians in general
<VITAS>
the north koreans have the us and south korea
<Greys>
dictators also don't need to fall on the left/right spectrum
<Rokker>
VITAS: what
<VITAS>
and so on
<darklight>
Greys: Bingo
<Greys>
just like anarchists
<Rokker>
VITAS: dictatorship isnt on the left right spectrum
<Rokker>
you nutter
<Greys>
and terrorists
<darklight>
Antifa are anarcho communists which is left wing
<Rokker>
its on the authoritarian libertarian spectrum
<VITAS>
stalin was a dictator
<darklight>
Ancaps are like extreme libertarians, and they don't do anything IRL
<VITAS>
and so was hitler
<VITAS>
and you wouldnt say hitler wasnt right wing
<Rokker>
VITAS: you cant boil politics down to one axis
<TheKosmonaut>
darklight: you mean libertarians don’t do anything
<Rokker>
you can barely boil it down to 2
<darklight>
TheKosmonaut: It's the weed
<TheKosmonaut>
LEGALIZE
<VITAS>
i cant boil the pyce of a humans down to one impulse thats right
<TheKosmonaut>
IT’S THE ANSWER
<darklight>
Tbh, I don't think left and right really means much anymore
<Greys>
you're making a false association darklight
<Greys>
anarchists aren't anarcho communists
<VITAS>
but im convinced that dictators can only remain in power by using the same tactics as nazis
<darklight>
Greys: The red and black flag guys are :P
<Greys>
anarcho communists want communist society without government
<VITAS>
by discriminating a group everyone not in that group in that country can agree on
<Greys>
anarchists want no government, no law
<VITAS>
so they can blame every failure on them
<Greys>
in anarcho communism, everybody owns everything
<darklight>
If there's commie flags around, you can pretty much make an assumption they like communism,
<Greys>
in anarchism, nobody owns anything
<VITAS>
"it wasnt me" "if it wasnt for...."
<Greys>
you have what you have unless somebody takes it from you, and they can take it from you unless you stop them
<Rokker>
Greys: shut the fuck up
<Greys>
anarchists support violence as the generalized solution to society
<Rokker>
everyone stop talking and see how long she rants
<darklight>
Politicial violence is aids
<Rokker>
darklight: stop talking
<VITAS>
off topic: darklight im thinking about moving to a new server in 2-4 weeks. would you be willing to help me set it up?
<darklight>
Rokker: no
<Rokker>
and see how long she talks
<Rokker>
VITAS: shhhhhhhh
<Rokker>
darklight: yes
<darklight>
VITAS: Err, I've been pretty busy, it is cutting seaon :-/
<darklight>
*season
<Rokker>
darklight: this is a study into the autism of greys, its for science
<Greys>
anarchists are an antipolitical group, they don't care if you think they're morally wrong
<VITAS>
Rokker, you will be considerred a dark elf too by that rate :P
<Rokker>
darklight: dont oppose science
<Rokker>
and progress
<VITAS>
darklight, shame. its no setup fee this month so im thinking about taking advantage of that
<VITAS>
but im busy too so i dont know
<Greys>
that's why they're OK with showing up at other group's rallies and shooting cops
<darklight>
Greys: I'm sure they think that it's morally justified
<VITAS>
another question: i7 6700 or ryzen x1700?
<VITAS>
for the server
<Greys>
moral justification doesn't need to come into play
<Rokker>
VITAS: ryzen
<Rokker>
VITAS: give money to amd
<darklight>
It does
<Rokker>
invest in the downfall of intel
<Greys>
not for them
<VITAS>
and x1700 for 70€ or x1600 for 60?
<darklight>
No they think what they are doing is good
<VITAS>
(per month)
<Greys>
which is one of the many reasons you can't associate anarchists with other groups, even if they're similar on paper
<darklight>
Once you think you're morally right, you can commit all sorts of evils
<Rokker>
VITAS: wat
<SilverFox>
VITAS, depends
<SilverFox>
do you want perf/cost or jsut cost?
<VITAS>
im trying to find out wha server i want to rent for spacedock, owncloud and mail stuff
<Rokker>
oh
<VITAS>
one that is fast enough :)
<SilverFox>
do you want performance, or cost savings
<VITAS>
if i knew what i wanted i wouldnt ask :D
<SilverFox>
and do you need multi-threaded perf or single thread/
<Greys>
so darklight, there's this podcast, Roderick on the Line; featuring John Roderick, a partially retired middling level rock start who ran for seattle city council in 2015 and lost
<VITAS>
the question is: is the jump from x600 to x1700 woth 10€/month?
<Greys>
it's an excellent show full if insane nonsense
<Greys>
Supertrain
<VITAS>
im primarly using multi threaded stuff
<darklight>
Meh, I don't really do podcasts
<SilverFox>
vitas, look at the perf differences and your ability to overclock
<VITAS>
since im just running multiple spacedock backend proces
<darklight>
Sometimes I'll watch meme livestreams, but meh
<VITAS>
no overclocking ons ervers
<Greys>
in the last episode he told a story about how he was a kid in anchorage alaska, and his group of friends had the anarchist cookbook
<Greys>
so they just started making pipe bombs
<VITAS>
:D
<SilverFox>
right, so
<Greys>
and putting them in other people's cars
<Greys>
and blowing cars up
<Greys>
for fun
<darklight>
Savages.
<SilverFox>
is the speed difference critical to function?
<VITAS>
it has to run 24/7 for years
<Greys>
that's anarchism
<SilverFox>
with a 300mhz or whatever it is be a lifesaver?
<VITAS>
might be to response times
<Greys>
there's a thing that could be done, and they did it without consideration
<VITAS>
the x1700 has 8 cores the x1600 6
<SilverFox>
then there it is
<SilverFox>
go with the higher core
<Greys>
until; as his story goes, he was leaving a party with a friend and the friend pulled a pipe bomb out of roderick's glove box, lit the fuse, and threw it into a yard full of people
<SilverFox>
however, does the traffic spacedock sees make it worth it?
<VITAS>
so you would you pay 10€ more for it?
<SilverFox>
depends on if I have really good traffic
<Greys>
the bomb, luckily, was a dud
<SilverFox>
the traffic should pay the difference off easily
<VITAS>
spacedock has no ads
<VITAS>
so traffic doesnt pay more
<Greys>
but the realization in the moment that you have been responsible for the imminent death of dozens of people changes a person
<VITAS>
it would for the moment if i would be able to get to the money easily
<SilverFox>
major differences, maybe, but not the responsetime a 300mhz difference would make
<VITAS>
hmm thanks for your input SilverFox
* VITAS
has to go now. ill be back later :D
<SilverFox>
I try
<darklight>
VITAS: Oh, our female trump turned up to parliment in a burka :D
<darklight>
Proposed a ban, media took the bait
<darklight>
"We condemn this mockery of relgious clothing" get the fuck in the ocean
<darklight>
The burka is for afgahni terrorists
<Greys>
darklight, roderick on the line is one of the best quazinonfiction podcasts in existance because you can never ever figure out for sure if he's making shit up, if it's a joke, or what
<darklight>
I'll be right
<Greys>
like the time he told the story where he was drunk in anchorage burning signs posted on phone poles when a bunch of skinheads showed up and beat him half past dead, smashed most every bone in his hands, and he only survived by crawling under a car until the cops drove by
<Greys>
and then he wouldn't let the hospital give him pain meds because he wouldn't tell them that he had done hella weed so they couldn't figure out if it was safe to drug him up, so they stitched him back together without anesthesia
<Greys>
also he hiked from france to istanbul
<Greys>
did I mention that the podcast was going for years before his political campaign, and it's been years sense, and the show didn't stop during it, and he was very candid
<Greys>
it's like if uncle walter wasn't a bastard
<FoxBot9000>
yt: Uncle Walter- Ben Folds Five | hpsnorlaxdirector
<Greys>
5 seconds?
<Greys>
that didn't feel like five seconds
<Greys>
darklight, how would you feel about replacing public school grades 5 through eight with sending all the kids to the nature to build shit like trails and cabins and stuff
<darklight>
That sounds horrible :P
<Greys>
ok but what if you didn't live on a dead wrock in the indian ocean?
<Greys>
in murka we have two great mountain chains full of wildlife and forests we could ship the kids to
<Greys>
are there forests in australirock?
<darklight>
Yes but how do you stop the kids from turning ashes into caustic soda and blinding their oppressors?
<Greys>
SilverFox, are you an optrimist?
<SilverFox>
an optometrist? no
<Greys>
darklight, easy, crushing doubt in the future
<SilverFox>
I do not specialize in your fucking eyeballs
<Greys>
SilverFox, I bought two pairs of antireading glasses, -1 and -2.5, they were real cheap and I got free shipping so it's probably free
<Greys>
darklight, so here's what you do
<SilverFox>
why do I care?
<SilverFox>
rather, why should I?
<SilverFox>
what's this have to do with me?
<Greys>
you build a cube, a hollow cube, with doors, that contains a buffet, and tables, sometimes chairs
<Greys>
then, randomly at meal time the kids go into the cube, and there's food in the buffet
<Greys>
or, there's not
<Greys>
or
<Greys>
there's animals
<Greys>
the kids at this camp come in from building a rope bridge across the grand canyon and there's just one table with a chicken on it
<Greys>
SilverFox, I figured you might enjoy mocking the absurdity of antireadingglasses
<SilverFox>
not particularly
<Greys>
meh
<SilverFox>
they're called lenses for long distance
<Greys>
actually
<SilverFox>
far-sighted
<Greys>
they're called myopia glasses
<SilverFox>
~fuckcup
<FoxBot9000>
this is my give a fuck cup -> \_/ NOTICE IT IS EMPTY
<Greys>
yanno, I just realized, that's foxbot's fuckcup
<Greys>
you're a fuckup
<TheKosmonaut>
Shut the fuckcup
<Greys>
you wanna go fa' coff
<Greys>
darklight the peristaltic pumps I'm seeing are mainly not servo driven, do you think it would be easier to get an inline flow meter or somehow use a hall effect sensor to track RPMs on the pump?
<Greys>
darklight, imagine I had a tube, and in the tube I put a pair of Ys so the forked ends face eachother, and then connected the forks of the Ys with check valves in opposing directions
<darklight>
ohkaayyyy
<Greys>
now imagine that I bridged the two connections on either side of the check valves, but the bridge is sealed with a membrane
<SilverFox>
first part soudns like a rectifier
<Greys>
depending on the direction of flow, the membranes would deform away from the side that has flow on it right?
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<darklight>
How are you going to get flow if there is no pressure differential?
<Greys>
those companies bought buildings with lots of space for lots of people to do research on all the news that the set would report on, so they could keep the feed saturated
<Greys>
then, the journalism industry shifted heavily to remote working, tight staffs, automation, and outside sourcing
<Greys>
so they were left with huge spaces to build sets in, and the set designers suffer a compulsion to make use of the available space
<kmath>
YouTube - Lauren Southern and Paul Kawika Martin debates on RT International
<FoxBot9000>
yt: Lauren Southern and Paul Kawika Martin debates on RT International | RT Producers
<Greys>
and now 100% of the people you would have seen behind the set back then don't work in journalism anymore, and certainly nobody works in those places
<RandomJeb>
wit
<RandomJeb>
wait*
<RandomJeb>
are you trying to tell me that at some early point they tried to design news shows as actual research hubs where journalism was done?
<Greys>
so until the company becomes convinced that they should downsize the space they're working in to save money, they have way too much space for these shitty sets
<Greys>
RandomJeb, this was the ninties
Technicalfool is now known as TechnicallySleeping
<Greys>
they actually did journalism there
<RandomJeb>
okay so a mid-to-late point yeah I don't believe this
<RandomJeb>
there was no actual journalism in the 90's
<Greys>
you have been exited from the conversation
<RandomJeb>
hey sure believe what you want, this was like 4 decades after the news became an advertisement and entertainment show
<kmath>
Greys: (10 mL (milliliters))/(7.9173 mm^2 (square millimeters)): 1.2631 meters
<Greys>
huh
<Greys>
;wa circumfrence of a 60mm diameter circle
<kmath>
Greys: circle->diameter 60 mm (millimeters)->circumference: 60 π mm (millimeters)≈188.496 mm (millimeters)
<Greys>
;wa 1.2631 meters / 188.496 mm
<kmath>
Greys: (1.2631 meters)/(188.496 mm (millimeters)): 6.701
<Greys>
that's reasonable
<Greys>
so, third plan, make a coil of tube, and put it on a load cell, then the weight of fluid through the coil can be measured
<Greys>
darklight, overcomplicated question
<Greys>
if you had a coil of soft tube, and the tube was mounted to a vessel on each side, and the coil is sitting on a load cell with the tubing connecting to the vessels slack; will the mass of fluid in the vessels transfer weight downforce to the coil
<darklight>
;yt looking for the golden age of journalism
<darklight>
RandomJeb: When it is full it wil be heavier I guess, but it's not going to clear itself
<Greys>
the tanks are independently supported,
<RandomJeb>
any water that isn't supported directly down through the tubing is not getting weight measured
<RandomJeb>
well, partially
<Greys>
explain the partially
<RandomJeb>
still putting pressure on the column of water being measured
<Greys>
right but water is functionally incompressable for this scale, and let's pretend the tubing is unstretchable at these pressures
<RandomJeb>
the vessels are taking some of that downforce and transferring it into the independent supports
<RandomJeb>
it's like measuring your weight but you're leaning on a chair at the same time
<Greys>
ok, say there were a valve at the connection to each tank; would you expect the reading of the load cell to vary depending on if the valve were open or closed?
<RandomJeb>
depends on the valve but mostly yes
<Greys>
ok, now say instead of a valve, there was a tiny umbrella in the tank covering the hole into the tube, so there's no direct watercolumn bearing down into the tube
<RandomJeb>
the water on top rests on the umbrella, the umbrella rests on the water below?
<Greys>
the umbrella is mounted to the tank, which is not supported by the load cell
<RandomJeb>
I expect the umbrella to get drenched and permeated by water in short order, shredding as water pushes through it down into the coil
<Greys>
the water isn't flowing
LabMonkey is now known as StatutoryApe
<RandomJeb>
okay then it just takes a tiny bit of downforce and gives it to the vessel that gives it to the supports, the paper membrane would largely transfer the force of the water from above to below with a bit to the toothpick supports while the toothpick supports would transfer a bit more of their above downforce to the vessel than below
<Greys>
ok, and now it's a stainless steal coctail umbrella with enamel painting
<RandomJeb>
does it fill the tube completely or are there gaps around the edges?
<Greys>
it doesn't touch the tube, it's in the tank, above the tube
<Greys>
it is no form of valve
<RandomJeb>
yes but does it cover the entrance to the tube completely?
<Greys>
it shadows the hole completely, but it does not seal the hole
<RandomJeb>
okay I think I get it now, in the tank above the hole to the tube, yeah pretty much it takes a tiny bit of the downforce if it's oriented upwards, a tiny bit more if it's oriented downwards
<G-Mobile>
Unbrellas only have one orientation
<SilverFox>
thats false
<Greys>
maybe in canada
<Greys>
but in america it's truef
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<Greys>
quick question yall
<Greys>
what's a twinkie taste like
<Rokker>
>unbrella
<TheKosmonaut>
Rokker: you know
<TheKosmonaut>
I’ve never looked up whether any of my great grandparents served in the civil war
<Greys>
russia had a civil war?
<TheKosmonaut>
My grandfather’s grandfather— wait
<Greys>
my grandfather served between WWII and korea, so you're going to need a lot of greats
<Rokker>
wait what
<Rokker>
Greys: first off, of course Russia had a civil war you fucktard
<Rokker>
secondly he's not russian
<TheKosmonaut>
Greys: my grandfather was WWII, his grandfather was very likely a soldier for the Union.
<Greys>
;wa end of the civil war
<kmath>
Greys: United States Civil War->end date: April 9, 1865
<TheKosmonaut>
Shit. On my grandmother side I probably have a british ancestor that fought in the war of 1812
<TheKosmonaut>
And yes greys, Russia had a civil war.
<Greys>
so people born 1850 an before, or so
<TheKosmonaut>
Do you not read history?
<Greys>
america literally doesn't give a shit about russian history
<Rokker>
bullshit
<TheKosmonaut>
I’m not Russian. I know that shit
<Greys>
we have two classes, American History, and World History
<TheKosmonaut>
And America gives many shits about Russian history
<Greys>
none at all, we just care about russian president
<TheKosmonaut>
I’m American
<Greys>
mmkay
<TheKosmonaut>
And I learned about the communist revolution
<TheKosmonaut>
Also about the Napoleonic wars
<Greys>
I'm an american
<Greys>
I didn't
<TheKosmonaut>
Just because you didn’t remember your classes doesn’t mean that it wasn’t taught.
<Greys>
I at one point knew the name of every country in africa
<TheKosmonaut>
Granted
<TheKosmonaut>
It isn’t as covered as say WWII or the civil war
<TheKosmonaut>
But they do teach about it
<Greys>
I was never taught in school how the united kingdom was formed
<Greys>
I learned a little about WWI and a lot about WWII
<Rokker>
WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU THINKHAPPENED DURING WW1
<RandomJeb>
I remember when the soviet union crumbled, we had busloads of russians here desperately selling off everything for some of that sweet norwegian currency
<darklight>
Britian was the world hegemon up until like... ww2?
<Greys>
so my great grandfather's great grandfather
<TheKosmonaut>
Greys: the Russian communist revolution WAS a huge highlight of WWI
<Greys>
not in my classes
<Greys>
we only talked about germany
<TheKosmonaut>
Your school is stupid
<TheKosmonaut>
Because Germany fought the Russians
<Greys>
seriously even Japan's involvement was not a big deal
<TheKosmonaut>
In WWI?
<Greys>
in anything
<darklight>
My scholl is stupid too, but we also did vietnam war
<TheKosmonaut>
Wait
<TheKosmonaut>
What
<TheKosmonaut>
Wait
<TheKosmonaut>
Hold up
<Greys>
I learned more from the history of japan video than from school
<darklight>
*school
<TheKosmonaut>
Stop
<TheKosmonaut>
Greys: was Japan heavily involved in WWII?
<TheKosmonaut>
Or nah?
<Greys>
yes
<Greys>
I could not tell you anything with confidance
<Greys>
but they were all over the pascific
<TheKosmonaut>
Ok. How do you think they got as big as they did, WWI was a huge part of that
<darklight>
They bombed us
<TheKosmonaut>
The empire of japan seized and took the German colonies in Asia
<Greys>
by invading china
<TheKosmonaut>
Greys: yes. Because Germany had colonies in China. Japan was on the allied side of WWI
<Greys>
I already told you I don't have faith in anything I say past being all over the pasific
<TheKosmonaut>
Brb
<Greys>
they took over china, built a bridge, america made a movie, korea got mad, there wasn't much rice, and then we fought at midway
<Greys>
which is somewhere
<Rokker>
ok
<Rokker>
greys has done a lot to piss me off
<Rokker>
but god damn this is the single most infuriating 15 minutes of my life in this channel
<RandomJeb>
lol
<RandomJeb>
but Greys can't be held responsible for the schooling being bad
<Greys>
it's not my faught
<darklight>
Are you tired? You're spelling things like I do
<Rokker>
RandomJeb: they can be held responsible for lacking a willingness to learn and then bitching that they didnt teach her standard curriculum when really she just didnt pay attention
<Rokker>
its clear she had or has no love for the subject
<Greys>
seriously though, about a week into my world history class the teacher went on maternity leave for the rest of the semester, showed up at final and was like "you fucks ain't know a thing!", but teachers were required to grade on a curve, so we passed
<RandomJeb>
if you're pissed off at a lack of love for russian and japanese history you've got to have a lot of anger in you >_>
<Rokker>
I'm pissed off thst she didn't pay attention to the only real piece of tsar era Russia they teach at fucking all
<Greys>
we did a segment on nepolean, and that's most of the pre-WWI history I was ever taught; and I've forgotten most of that
<Greys>
;wa end of russian civil war
<kmath>
Greys: Russian Civil War->end date: Saturday, June 16, 1923
<Greys>
my great grandpa would probably have been around for that
<Greys>
OH WAIT!
<Greys>
my family wasn't in america hen
<Greys>
then
<Greys>
my great grandfather immagrated from canda and married my great grandmother, who had just come from france
<Rokker>
Greys: the civil war happened post-napoleon you god damned bitch
<Rokker>
for fucks sake
<Rokker>
we said it was part of ww1
<Greys>
(my geneology is full of holes, I only know about these ones)
<TheKosmonaut>
Greys: Napoleon was not alive for the Russian civil war
<TheKosmonaut>
He was the previous era.
<darklight>
Rokker rememer you are ignored :P
<TheKosmonaut>
Hence: Napoleonic wars
<Greys>
I should hope so
<Rokker>
I fucking know
<Greys>
;wa when did napoleon die
<kmath>
Greys: Napoleon Bonaparte->date of death: Saturday, May 5, 1821
<Greys>
;wa when did world war 1 start
<Rokker>
but it's all I can do to stop me from driving up to detroit and smashing her with a fucking history book
<kmath>
Greys: World War I->start date: Tuesday, July 28, 1914
<Greys>
during that 90 year period, I do not know anything about europe
<darklight>
Rokker I don't know my history either
<Rokker>
THE RUSSIAN CIVIL WAR HAPPENED DURINF AND AFTER WW1 YOU STUPID COW
<Rokker>
YOU ARE SO FUCKING STUBBORN
<Rokker>
FUCK YOU
<Rokker>
FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU
<Greys>
so theko, as you have volunteered, teach me about japan
<Greys>
or russia
<TheKosmonaut>
Ok. I will grant you that a lot of that period is looked over, but it was pivotal to the build up to WWI. However... the Russian Civil war was NOT in that period
<Greys>
OR BOTH!
<TheKosmonaut>
The Russian civil was was around the WWI period
<darklight>
It's not something I partcularily care about either, although I know the good old "those who don't know history are doomed to repeat t"
<darklight>
*it
<Rokker>
the Russian civil war happened as a direct result of ww1
<Rokker>
and was part of ww1
<SilverFox>
~yt just a little bit of history repeatin
<kmath>
YouTube - Propellerheads feat: Miss Shirley Bassey - History Repeating
<Greys>
facts are only important to avoiding repetition in so far as they inform the actions and decisions that should be avoided; and even then it's critical that you learn how to abstract those facts for effective pattern matching
<Greys>
what year WWI started in is a useless fact
<TheKosmonaut>
Ok
<SilverFox>
TheKosmonaut, have fun teaching
<TheKosmonaut>
So what *caused* WWI?
<Greys>
the fact that 1914-1821!=90 is also unimportant
<VITAS>
me
<VITAS>
:P
<Rokker>
kill yourself Greys
<TheKosmonaut>
VITAS: damned serb
<Rokker>
you are a blight on humanity
<VITAS>
he had to die!
<VITAS>
:P
<darklight>
I know there was assasination, but I doubt that was all it was
<TheKosmonaut>
darklight: shhh
<SilverFox>
was it uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
<Greys>
europe got full and a bunch of young nations wanted to win wars but a bunch of old nations wanted to not fucking have any more wars so everything was full of mutual defense pacts and then some bad shit happened to food and then somebody picked a fight and everybody had to fight so everybody fought and it was dumb
<Rokker>
MAIN
<Greys>
so they did it again later
<darklight>
Thats all I know and I *know* that is incomplete
<Rokker>
MAAAAAAIN
<TheKosmonaut>
Wait
<TheKosmonaut>
Shhhhhh
<VITAS>
it was a welcome reason to start a war most nations in europe prepared for
<Rokker>
MMMMMAAAAAIIIIIINNNNNNN
<Rokker>
MAAAAAAIIIIN CAUSED WW1
<Rokker>
FUCK SAKE PEOPLE
<TheKosmonaut>
Rokker: shut up you fat stupid hobbit
<TheKosmonaut>
Nobody cares about the Mainnnnnnnnn
<Rokker>
SHE CAN'T EVEN HEAR ME
<TheKosmonaut>
Or teddy
<Rokker>
NOT THE MAINE U dumb faggor
<Rokker>
MAIM
<Greys>
ferdinand getting shot was an excuse, a tipping point, but not individually meaningful; the situation around him is the history that needs to not repeat
<Rokker>
MAIN*
<VITAS>
Greys, has half of the chat on ignore by now?
<FoxBot9000>
yt: きゃりーぱみゅぱみゅ - PONPONPON , Kyary Pamyu Pamyu - PONPONPON | Warner Music Japan
<darklight>
This shit here is horseshit standard grade 5
<darklight>
Primo horseshit
<darklight>
Greys I actually liked a few of those songs, the rocket one is better
<Greys>
the problem with franz ferdinand is that they really like dead space in their music, but they suck at both deadspace, leading into dead space, and exploiting the exit from deadspace; as well as making the parts of the song that aren't involved with the dead space
<Greys>
they just generally suck
<darklight>
I ashamed to say that though
<Greys>
but they suck most at the things they like
<darklight>
*am
<darklight>
;yt re bang bang
<kmath>
darklight: http://youtu.be/teMdjJ3w9iM - きゃりーぱみゅぱみゅ - にんじゃりばんばん,Kyary Pamyu Pamyu - Ninja Re Bang Bang
<TheKosmonaut>
Reeeeeee
<darklight>
Haven't cared about a translation, but the background music is nowhere abnoxious as it could be
<darklight>
Sorry tk
<Greys>
I like songs that engage my language centers that I can ignore, pon pon does that for me somehow; or songs with an engaging narrative progression
<TheKosmonaut>
Their man beef in the late 1800s was over Korea
<darklight>
What about das boot
<Greys>
to be fair, korea had it coming; what being all right there, and not owned by (russia|japan)
<TheKosmonaut>
Korea has always been sorta shit
<TheKosmonaut>
If not the mongols, then the Chinese
<TheKosmonaut>
Or Russians.
<TheKosmonaut>
Or Japanese
* darklight
waits for sf in 3, 2, 1
<Greys>
or 2 of the above at once
<TheKosmonaut>
COEM AT ME KOREABOOS
<TheKosmonaut>
Korea is shit at sovereignty
<SilverFox>
korea isnt best country, so probably
<darklight>
What is majiir going to do? deop you? :P
<SilverFox>
it has its ups and downs like any other country
<darklight>
"You can't take my licence, I don't have one!"
<Greys>
is the whole misogyny thing in korea typical of asia or are they just weirdly old
<Greys>
?
<TheKosmonaut>
SilverFox: s/like any other country/like any other country except the USA
<TheKosmonaut>
USA
<Qboid>
TheKosmonaut thinks SilverFox meant to say: it has its ups and downs like any other country except the USA
<TheKosmonaut>
USA
<Greys>
america has ups and downs
<TheKosmonaut>
only ups
<Greys>
up: we have fago
<Greys>
faygo
<SilverFox>
lol it has ups
<Greys>
it's pronounced the same
<darklight>
National viagra?
<SilverFox>
but they're unreliable and lose shit
<Greys>
darklight, it's a brand of soda
<TheKosmonaut>
Canada has only been downhill after 1812
<SilverFox>
except when we burned down the white house, remember that?
<SilverFox>
that was great
<SilverFox>
great times
<TheKosmonaut>
SilverFox: by we you mean the British?
<Greys>
up: it's relatively cheap to get a decent quality low hours CNC in america
<SilverFox>
yes
<Greys>
down: flint
<Greys>
down: detroit
<Greys>
down florida
<Greys>
down: borders
<TheKosmonaut>
What
<darklight>
Arguing for borders is easy though
<TheKosmonaut>
Borders?
<Greys>
america would be much less of a problem to the world if you couldn't come here
<Greys>
we invaded the middle east repeatedly because we were worried people would come here
<TheKosmonaut>
So what you’re saying
<Greys>
we got into WWII because we were worried people would come here
<TheKosmonaut>
whay
<darklight>
what
<TheKosmonaut>
What
<Greys>
we went onto space so russia wouldn't come here
<TheKosmonaut>
What what
<darklight>
Hitler declared fucking war
<Greys>
and we ignored it, for a long time
<darklight>
You declared war the next day
<darklight>
iirc
<Greys>
we give france a bunch of shit about surrendering, but it takes us forever to join in when we're not concerned that there's a credible threat to the mainland
<Rokker>
ur a fucking retard
<Greys>
if it kinda sorta looks like you could construe an argument that we're being threatened, we can take out some governments in hours or less
<TheKosmonaut>
Greys: no. Wait hang on
<TheKosmonaut>
Lemme edumacate you
<Greys>
if america was in a space bubble and only objects could get in or out, we'd be so much more chill
<TheKosmonaut>
Greys: Lemme ask you
<TheKosmonaut>
What *started* America’s involvement in the secon world war
<Greys>
like, imagine if hilary had won; this new situation with NK where it looks like they might be a real threat to us; would still be fricken scarry
<Greys>
in the pascific because of pearl harbor, in europe because it seemed like hitler was gonna win, and then he'd come over here, and punch us in the face
<FoxBot9000>
yt: He's gonna kick MY ass? | thesugarmama
<TheKosmonaut>
The United States got into WWII because the Japanese launched a surprise attack on Pearl harbor. The Japanese attacked because the usa cut their oil supplies and shit because of how shitty they were being in their invasion of Asia
<TheKosmonaut>
So when the USA declared war on Japan, Germany declared on america
<TheKosmonaut>
The usa didn’t declared on nazi Germany “first”
<TheKosmonaut>
Hitler was a total weeb
<TheKosmonaut>
No joke
<Greys>
and how does the german declaration correspond with deployments
<SilverFox>
had them anime tiddy figures and shit
<SilverFox>
even a remilia waifu pillow
<TheKosmonaut>
Deployments of what
<Greys>
troops, ships, tanks
<TheKosmonaut>
Whose
<Greys>
american owned and operated
<TheKosmonaut>
To whom
<Greys>
europe
<TheKosmonaut>
The usa was supplying allied forces in Europe
<Rokker>
TheKosmonaut: point out that we were supplying the brits with resources long before the declaration of war
<Greys>
supplies I don't care about, deployments
<TheKosmonaut>
The usa was making shit tons of money off of the wars because we were selling them shit
<Greys>
when a US naval carrier is in the sea of japan, it has been deployed there
<Truga>
because b17s flew to germany on the reg
<Greys>
it is ours, it is under our control, it is operated by our men
<TheKosmonaut>
Greys: I know what the fucking word means. You need to be specific about what deployments you’re talking about before the declaration of war
<Greys>
it has not been sold
<Greys>
it has not been rented
<Greys>
it is not an attache
<Greys>
it is deployed
<SilverFox>
TheKosmonaut, having fun?
<TheKosmonaut>
Greys: bitch. Give me sources to back up what the fuck you’re on a pith.
<Greys>
in most of vietnam the US had not deployed anything, we'd sold equipment and sent attaches
<Greys>
it wasn't until the end when we deployed and shit got real bad
<Rokker>
...
<TheKosmonaut>
Focus on wwii
<Greys>
yea, when did we first deploy in europe against germany
* stratochief
eats popcorn
<Rokker>
I hope you get shot by some upstanding member of detroit
<TheKosmonaut>
What American deployments before the german declaration of war
<TheKosmonaut>
YOU tell me
<Greys>
your question is unrelated to my question
* darklight
thought he knew nothing about ww2, but it turns out I know even less
<TheKosmonaut>
Greys: it is. You’re implying that the USA had deployed military assets to Europe before December 1941
<Greys>
no
<Greys>
I'm not
<Greys>
I'm ASKING
<Greys>
WHEN DID WE DEPLOY IN EUROPE
<Greys>
"how do american deployments relate to the declaration of war with germany"
<Truga>
b17s arrived in 1942
<Truga>
i want to say summer
<Greys>
were they ours, owned buy us, operated by us, running our missions?
<Truga>
yes
<Greys>
mmkay
<Truga>
they were yours
<Truga>
wiki says The USAAF began building up its air forces in Europe using B-17Es soon after entering the war. The first Eighth Air Force units arrived in High Wycombe, England, on 12 May 1942, to form the 97th Bomb Group
<Greys>
this wikipedia article is impenitrable and has ambiguous association of dates to actions, but it looks like the US deployed into iceland in march of 1941
<TheKosmonaut>
After they declared war against the United States.
<TheKosmonaut>
The first major American engagement was Operation torch
<TheKosmonaut>
but that was French North Africa
<Greys>
engagements are whatever, there's planning and troop movements and whatnot
<darklight>
I don't want to jynx it, but I am kinda glad nukes exist now.
<Truga>
lol
<Rokker>
fuck you greys
<Truga>
darklight why
<Greys>
so, for two years we had no official deployments in WWII, there's something to do with the Flying Tigers, I think they shot things in china
<Truga>
can't even bomb nazis because they all have nukes now
<darklight>
Because they stop superpowers from going to war.
<Truga>
cmon
<Truga>
hasn't stopped anyone from going to war except witch each other directly
<Truga>
cold war wasn't all that cold.
<Truga>
still isn't tbf
<darklight>
Yes I'm also not a fan of sucking saudi cock if that's what you're asking
<darklight>
But we do live in the real world
<Greys>
wikipedia's source is dead and their text is ambiguous but the wording is: On 11 December 1941, Adolf Hitler and Nazi Germany declared war against the United States, the same day that the United States declared war on Germany and Italy.
<darklight>
japan right?
<Greys>
this could be interpreted is simultaneous mutual declaration of war; given the poor communication timelines of the day
<Greys>
as*
<TheKosmonaut>
Japan declared war on america on December 7th, germant on the 11th. Communications were still pretty fast, we weren’t sending letters across the oceans you know.
<darklight>
I've listened to hitlers declaration of war, its like a 20 min speech. Can't remember much now though as that was ages ago
<Greys>
I can't say for sure what the meaning of wikipedia's words are
<darklight>
Iirc it was like 20 minutes of reasoning and american oppression (from their pov)
<Greys>
which is perhaps the greatest failure a wikipedia article can have
<darklight>
Like "we've been kicked around we've have no other choice" type of feel
<Truga>
propaganda is a funny thing
<darklight>
Truga I did say from their pov
<Greys>
people didn't distrust the government's intention by default yet
<TheKosmonaut>
Greys: Germans declared against america first
<darklight>
And of course its propaganda, everything is P
<darklight>
:P
<TheKosmonaut>
The usa declared back hours later
<Greys>
would the message have gotten there within hours during a continental war?
<Truga>
yes
<darklight>
You can string true events together in such a way to spin a story if you want, but I'm not going to judge that as I simply don't care :P
<Truga>
radio existed in 1941
<Greys>
america to germany radio?
<Truga>
sure, why not
<Greys>
the halo project?
<darklight>
Wasn't like one of the most powerful radio broadcasts ever one of hitlers speeches?
<Truga>
yes
<darklight>
xkcd mentioned that it'll probably be the first thing aliens hear :D
<Truga>
Greys I dunno, but I used to be able to listen to london radio and I'm a few thousand km away
<Greys>
russia's giant fucking antenna of planar doom (slash noticing that america launched a missile quickly)?
<Truga>
and it's just bbc
<Truga>
low frequencies fly real far even around the globe.
<angavrilov>
it's that FM stuff that needs line of sight
<Truga>
yeah
<SilverFox>
you can even bounce em off the top layer of atmosphere
<Truga>
yep
<Greys>
weird, around here I can't even listen to 89X 27 miles north
<darklight>
Depends on power level too
<SilverFox>
well suck a dickeridoo it can bounce off space
<Greys>
maybe london's radio is being rebroadcast near you?
<Truga>
no
<TheKosmonaut>
Greys: telegrams
<TheKosmonaut>
They existed
<darklight>
AM radio still exists
<Truga>
it just broadcasts at like 200kHz
<Truga>
instead of mHz
<Truga>
MHz*
<Greys>
TheKosmonaut yea but in a war state you can't assume there are telegraph lines from friendly coasts to hostile capitols
<TheKosmonaut>
Greys: Germany made it very clear to america
<TheKosmonaut>
And press is still press
<Truga>
yeah
<Truga>
bbc still has a 500kW 198kHz station apparently
<darklight>
Jesus fuck
<Truga>
you can probably tune in to that around like half the globe
<SilverFox>
jesus christ
<Greys>
how do you even tune that low
<Truga>
uhh
<darklight>
That's a lot of killawasps
<Truga>
buy having an old radio
<Truga>
or a good one anyway
<Greys>
I'm not sure that's allowed in america anymore
<Greys>
all our radios are crap
<darklight>
You could probably hear that shit from the moon
<Truga>
oh definitely
<Truga>
when the moon's in sight you totally can
<Truga>
possibly even further out tbh
<TheKosmonaut>
That would be neat
<Greys>
mine cannot be tuned to 94.7, it can go to 93.7, but not 94.7
<darklight>
That type of power sounds like it could moonbounce too:P
<darklight>
AM
<Greys>
of course 93.7 isn't a station
<Greys>
and 94.7 is
<Truga>
lol
<Greys>
so fuck you radio
<Truga>
nice
<Greys>
you're not the boss of me
<darklight>
Those are fm frequencies
<Greys>
darklight, regarding american radios being crap now
<darklight>
I think 87-107 is fm freq here
<Truga>
yeah those are mhz
<darklight>
Am is lower but I never use it so can't tell you the range
<TheKosmonaut>
Am frequencies are 4digit frequencies. Not two or three a decimal
<RandomJeb>
I used to listen to AM radio sometimes when I was a kid
<TheKosmonaut>
RandomJeb: best conspiracy theories are AM
<RandomJeb>
you could listen in on the local airport tower and some shipping traffic
<RandomJeb>
there were no broadcasting radio stations on AM here though
<TheKosmonaut>
shit. Probably get into some super deep shit on short wave
<darklight>
We had a shortwave radio around somewhere
<darklight>
Could even do sideband
<darklight>
Could tune into 27mhz and listen to walkie talkies and radio cars too
<SilverFox>
just finished Re:Zero, i rate 10/10
<SilverFox>
Greys you can suck a dick if you say it's any less
<Greys>
I didn't watch it because it looked stupid
<SilverFox>
made me contemplate suicide at least twice, so it's good shit
<Truga>
The longest distance over which a long wave signal has been received is 18,451 kilometres (11,465 mi). It occurred on 27 July 2015, when Mike Thayne of England, received Radio NL on 358 kHz from New Zealand.[13]
<darklight>
10/10 would be "best game for now and forever" thoughh
<Truga>
so there you have it :p
<TheKosmonaut>
New Zealand isn’t real
<Truga>
haha
<Greys>
certainly in america it isn't
<Greys>
unless you can afford to go there
<darklight>
People say that about australia :(
<TheKosmonaut>
It is a globulist scheme, they station their globalist army there
<darklight>
They say we are a meme to scare children
<Greys>
globulist
<darklight>
But really australia is a meme to scare migrants :3
<TheKosmonaut>
Globulist are a subset of globalists
<Greys>
they have a very high surface tension, and end up being esoteric
<RandomJeb>
dem darn globulists tuk are jerbs
<TheKosmonaut>
Globulists propagate the lies of ball earth
<darklight>
I hate how globalist has become a crackpot term
<Greys>
specifically ball, not any other kind of spheroid
<Greys>
exactly spherical
<TheKosmonaut>
darklight: sounds like a globalist thing to say
<RandomJeb>
the crackpots appropriated it
<Greys>
THERE ARE NO MOUNTAINS.
<Greys>
Oceans are a lie.
<TheKosmonaut>
Greys: if you shrank the earth down tocthe size of a cue ball, earth would be smother than a cue ball
<RandomJeb>
I'm literally a globalist
<darklight>
I want to use the term as the reverse of nationalist
<Greys>
(brought to you by new zealand)
<Truga>
funnily enough, russia seems to have shut down their low wave transmitters
<Truga>
i guess fiber is cheaper these days
<darklight>
(as in the patriot nationalist, not nation building nationalist)
<Greys>
TheKosmonaut, but what if you scaled it disproportionately based on terrain altitude
<RandomJeb>
everyone is shutting down radio
<Truga>
well
<Truga>
not everyone
<darklight>
RandomJeb, that's because video killed the radio star
<Truga>
haha
<RandomJeb>
they're cutting FM broadcasts here in november or something
* darklight
just realised uncultured swine will not recognise that song
<Greys>
alright, so when america declared fetish on japan, russia killed lenin by dropping a statue of lenin on him, so that hitler couldn't have russia, right?
<RandomJeb>
I think I'd have to get above the cliff wall to my south to get that, I don't think reflections from mountains to the west-northwest would be able to bounce anything recognizable into this valley
<Truga>
i'm kinda on the south side of a hill and it doesn't really seem to matter
<Truga>
LW ground waves are weird like that
<Truga>
a cliff might tho
<RandomJeb>
this is a metal rich mountain
<Truga>
yeah definitely might then
<Truga>
anyway point being, there's pretty much zero chance USA didn't know about the germany wardec within minutes
<Truga>
long range radio tech has been around for years and if nothing else, there's always ships at sea that can bounce signals across the ocean.
<Greys>
or, they could shoot flashlights at the time anchor apollo 3 installed on hte moon so that america could always flash flashlights at the world
<darklight>
I'm still lookng forward to the first war resolved via twitter dms
<Greys>
resolved?
<Greys>
unlikely
<Truga>
you mean started
<Truga>
lol
<Truga>
a war between two superpowers would start by destroying all the submarine cables anyway
<darklight>
It would be started with a public tweet
<Truga>
then probably target the satellites
<Greys>
you'll need two things
<Greys>
a president who uses twitter, and a president who tries to avoid war
<RandomJeb>
twitter is probably gonna go bankrupt, future wars will be resolved on all new discord video chat
<Greys>
three things; other countries we could go to war with who are ruled by people who use twitter
<darklight>
Random but they ban hate and violence rememer
<darklight>
*remember
<Greys>
yea the lifespan of twitter is the real thing making this impossible
<Truga>
how does twitter even make money
<Truga>
I mean
<darklight>
Twitter has stagnated and isn't well monetised
<Truga>
I know they kinda don't make enough
<RandomJeb>
they ban hate and violence they are the perfect neutral platform for peace talks
<Greys>
if twitter was doing well and we could expect it to be around in 2024, then we'd probably have a president was used to using twitter
<kmath>
<realDonaldTrump> ...the beauty that is being taken out of our cities, towns and parks will be greatly missed and never able to be comparably replaced!
<Truga>
is this about the statues?
<darklight>
Greys will twitter last for 7.5 years? we shall see
<Truga>
it's fine, he'll just replace them with trump statues
<Truga>
also, mount trumpmore
<RandomJeb>
I hope mount trumpmore will be trump's legacy
<Greys>
darklight, twitter has been actively seeking a buyer for 3 years because they can't turn a profit and want to get their venture capital out before it sinks
<darklight>
You missed the first two tweets
<Greys>
so far almost every reasonable buyer has publically said no
<Greys>
we're treading into unreasonable buyer territory, like apple
<Greys>
imagine if apple bought twitter
<RandomJeb>
imagine twitter not being compatible with windows or android
<darklight>
Tbh, I don't know how to feel about the statues
<RandomJeb>
I feel that I don't care about the statues one way or the other
<Greys>
imagine twitter vehemently refusing to collect or store any of your personal information
<Truga>
uh
<Truga>
not gonna happen
<Greys>
that's apple's platform
<Truga>
personal info is the new auto industry
<Truga>
or whatever the driving force was 50 years ago
<Greys>
they won't even share machine learning results about your photos between your devices via direct or wifi connections
<Greys>
it's a big problem, if you have an iphone, and you take a thousand pictures, put them in icloud, have iphotos machinelearning them and figure out what the pictures are of and where they were taken; and then you buy a new iphone
<Greys>
it has to do that again, from scratch
<darklight>
Like they are your legacy, but I feel like things like liberty would be better drilled into peoples heads than "oh we fought and have to remember not to repeat this"
<Greys>
which means that for however long it takes for your new iphone to process a thousand pictures, that portion of it's performance is being used
<Greys>
because you can't prevent it from doing it
<Greys>
and you can't stop it from doing it
<Greys>
welcome to apple
<Greys>
don't
* darklight
optimises greys apps
<Greys>
now imagine you've had iphones for ten years
<Greys>
you probably have a lot more than a thousand photos
<Truga>
i don't think people care.
<Greys>
"people" don't, but people do
<TheKosmonaut>
My iPhone 6s before restoring had 5,000+ photos
<TheKosmonaut>
I restored it earlier last month because why not
<Greys>
it's just a stupid choice on their end to not let devices share the results of processing
<TheKosmonaut>
I don’t really give a shit. I take the photos then store them on iCloud or my computer
<TheKosmonaut>
What do I want my phone to learn from them?
<Greys>
whose in them, where they were taken, objects in frame
<Greys>
"find me a picture of janet and david at the beach"
<darklight>
TK they need to make sure you aren't a nazi
<Greys>
"find all my pictures of antique computers"
<TheKosmonaut>
Never used that.
<Greys>
"erase all the dick pics"
<TheKosmonaut>
Frankly don’t know anyone else that does either
<RandomJeb>
can I feed it my dank meme repository and have it sort out all my dank memes according to category?
<TheKosmonaut>
RandomJeb: it might facially recognize Pepe
<Greys>
nah, apple's system uses predefined categories and persondetectors
<Greys>
google's could
<darklight>
Also make sure you wear a tin foil hat, as a tiny thin piece of aluminium can prevent thousands of years of alien advancement in mind manipulation waves
<RandomJeb>
but I need my plain pepes sorted from my commie pepes
<Greys>
but google's is generally more powerful because they are willing to accept your personal information
<Greys>
what's the meme where you cut out a person and then they fly off into a starscape that turns into a drugscape as a specific song plays?
<Greys>
SilverFox: what if I told you that there's an anime from a couple years ago about a bus full of internet failures who move into the mountains and try to start a new civilization except everything goes terrible
<darklight>
Australian female trump pulled a funny today
<Greys>
what is does this meme?
<darklight>
Takes it off, proposes a ban
<darklight>
And then of course everyone condemns her
<darklight>
(the parliment)
<darklight>
Which is great because now people will think she's right
<darklight>
:P
<TheKosmonaut>
darklight: should have had an MP yell to put it back on or suffer punishment
<Greys>
hey, that guy from the tower in LotR who was like gandolf but had gears in his head, he god stabbed, but he's an angle, does stabbing angles work?
<darklight>
A guy was complaining about her "making a mockery out of religious clothing"
<darklight>
The fucking burka
<darklight>
Fucking afghani burka.
<RandomJeb>
I think making a mockery of religious clothing is fine, but I'm not a fan of banning it
<Greys>
have you watched the actual shooting stars music video?
<darklight>
Greys we aren't talking about stabbing mechanics because we aren't sure about your non violence levels.
<Greys>
this video is so much less funny with censor
<Greys>
you can't even see that the girls don't have nipples
<Greys>
RandomJeb, did you get to the dolphins?
<RandomJeb>
I didn't pay attention for a lot of it, I saw some cars flying near the end
<Greys>
that didn't happen
<Greys>
just jump quick to about 1:30 and hit play
<RandomJeb>
oh wait no I'm watching the other music video for shooting stars I'm out of synch with video posting
<Greys>
that makes sense I guess
<RandomJeb>
okay yeah caught up to the dolphins, why aren't dolphin boobs censored?
<Greys>
why are the nippleless boobs censored?
<Greys>
everybody knows that the only sexual part of a breast is the nipple.
<RandomJeb>
so many questions
<Greys>
the really terrible part is I checked like five video services and except for the chinese one that demanded flash, they all had the censored version
<Greys>
I don't have flash, so maybe china has the original
<Greys>
this is the fastest my disbelief has been broken
<RandomJeb>
sauron used to just be a shitty backup singer but he backstabbed his way into bigshot disharmony song and then things didn't go so well for him but then later it did in the corporeal realm and he ruled for a while and then they stabbed his angle body and he was just moping around in the woods and then he became a bigshot again and then they stabbed his angle body and then there was the
<RandomJeb>
whole lotr thing a while later
<Greys>
a long while later
<Greys>
I think the cute girls do stuff genre may have gone too far when it's cute girls repair classic cars
<RandomJeb>
Greys cute girls are women and women can do anything
<RandomJeb>
including classic car repair
<Greys>
sure, please do
<Greys>
but, as a genre of illustrated media
<Greys>
if it was a show, with actual people, on PBS, with norm abrams, I'd be ten billion percent onboard
<Greys>
I'm glad Zesshaka isn't a 4koma
<Greys>
4koma can in general go suck a frog's gay out
<RandomJeb>
I wouldn't watch a PBS show about cute girls doing car repairs but I bet it would work as a concept
<RandomJeb>
I mean, not PBS, but like there's car repair shows with all sorts of gimmicks
<Greys>
yea most car repair shows air on Spike
<Greys>
but Spike is about Men, Boners, Testosterone, and Violence
<Greys>
so, putting cute girls there would be just wrong
<RandomJeb>
I'm sure the dudebro demographic respond positively to cute girls
<Greys>
(by cute girls I specifically mean teens/preteens, and not any kind of sexualization)
<RandomJeb>
I'm sure they could and would sexualize it
<Greys>
yes, which would be wrong
<RandomJeb>
sure
<Greys>
as soon as you start objectifying the hosts external to the context of the activity, it severely depreciates the value of that host doing that activity, and now it's just a playboy photoshoot
<Greys>
if you're going to make a cute girls do classic car repair show, you should focus on positive body image and ability
<Greys>
all the girls, no matter what, are cute, figure it out, but don't change them; and all the girls no matter what are capable
<stratochief>
Greys: depends what your goal is. your suggestion seems to promote social-liberalism. combining two things stereotypical men already like (titties, nice cars) is what gets clicks, views. Capitalism goes for the second er'time
<Greys>
right, that's why I went with PBS
<RandomJeb>
the only thing I've seen from PBS is some science show on youtube that is surprisingly good
<Greys>
PBS isn't about views, it's about making thins that seem positive to have made
<RandomJeb>
like not just surprisingly good for youtube but surprisingly good for a science show
<Greys>
PBS has an entire faction of youtube channels
<kmath>
<nke_ise> If you have ever had a problem grasping the importance of diversity in tech and its impact on society, watch this v… https://t.co/JeEeaSL0Nz
<stratochief>
no cum for the black hand. the dispenser just isn't attracted to african americans?
<Greys>
it uses IR reflection to detect hands, and the black hand doesn't reflect enough to register
<Greys>
so for those of you who don't suffer tacobell: since about last fall their fetish has become taking foods that exist, and replacing parts of them with other parts