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<Majiir>
What's up with mortgage rates yo
<Qboid>
Majiir: SilverFox left a message for you in #kspmodders [06.08.2017 21:50:59]: "https://youtu.be/ZmYXatvHfSE"
<FoxBot9000>
null
<Majiir>
way to go
<SilverFox>
interesting
<SilverFox>
I need to remove quotes
<SilverFox>
I didnt anticipate this
<SilverFox>
fuck, string.remove isnt a thing
<SilverFox>
goddamnt
<Majiir>
Replace
<SilverFox>
ahhh right
<SilverFox>
thanks
<SilverFox>
a wee bit drunk
<Majiir>
You don't need to blame alcohol for shit programming
egg|nomz|egg is now known as egg|zzz|egg
<SilverFox>
fuck
<Majiir>
Speaking of which, (not applicable to Fox) I need tech leads
<SilverFox>
how do I do """ without it being a little bitch?
<Majiir>
"\"
<Majiir>
with another one
<SilverFox>
sick
<SilverFox>
thanks
<Majiir>
because I derped the typing
<Majiir>
so "\""
<SilverFox>
ayyy it compiled
<SilverFox>
escape chars ftw
<SilverFox>
so Majiir, which is better: "" or String.Empty
<Majiir>
a third option: string.Empty
<Majiir>
It doesn't actually matter
<Majiir>
It's a pure readability question
<SilverFox>
hm, alright cool
<SilverFox>
so which is better, string.empty or String.empty?
<SilverFox>
isn't one a reference to the class and the other a reference to the type or some shit?
<Majiir>
no
<Majiir>
string and String are the same thing, but VS standardizes on string when formatting code
<Majiir>
so use string for readability and general tools-not-getting-in-your-way
<SilverFox>
okay cool
<SilverFox>
okay noted
<SilverFox>
I use BlueJ for my java programming and it doesn't recognize String, which is what I prefer to use, it recognizes string tho
<Majiir>
You have that backwards
<Majiir>
In Java, only uppercase String is valid
<SilverFox>
oh
<SilverFox>
okay thanks
<SilverFox>
noted
<Majiir>
./r/quityourbullshit
<SilverFox>
so what's new in "fixing your problems" land?
<Majiir>
Not much
<Majiir>
I have some developers who don't completely suck
<SilverFox>
nice
<SilverFox>
how much not-suck are they?
<SilverFox>
scale from 1-you
<Majiir>
about like 35
<SilverFox>
nice
<SilverFox>
is this nice?
<Majiir>
By industry standards, they're mid-level devs but outperform most industry seniors
<Majiir>
By Majiir standards they are solidly junior
<Majiir>
and supposedly the company wants to hire two engineers who I would consider capable of being tech leads
<Majiir>
but they want to use their own recruiting team for it and have banned external recruiters
<Majiir>
aaaaand they are very unlikely to want to pony up the cash it takes to hire a good tech lead
<Majiir>
So as soon as candidates start showing up, my life is going to be a lot of documenting why all the people I interview aren't able to do the job
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<SilverFox>
well shit
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<SilverFox>
sounds like you need to refactor the government there
<SilverFox>
the whole industry is about paying to get the good shit isn't it?
<SilverFox>
you have to pay to get the good shit and if you dont pay, you dont get the good shit because the good shit gonna get paid more somewhere else
<SilverFox>
Majiir, also TK got his ops removed
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<Majiir>
Refactor the government?
<SilverFox>
ye
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<Majiir>
Oops
<SilverFox>
sick
<Majiir>
What's the government got to do with it?
<SilverFox>
I menat the government of your hiring process
<SilverFox>
it sounds like you could do a better job at hiring
<SilverFox>
so overthrow the government and hire better ones
<Majiir>
lol as if
<Majiir>
The whole HR department and executive team is new
<SilverFox>
fuck lo
<Majiir>
This is the first time we're doing any hiring this way
<SilverFox>
is this the same company that had that trump for a ceo?
<Majiir>
Yeah but he's gone now
<SilverFox>
F I R E D
<Majiir>
Not really
<Majiir>
The company was bought
<SilverFox>
ahhh
<SilverFox>
so he lost his position in the merger?
<Majiir>
so he got a huge payout and an awesome bullet on his resume
<Majiir>
Yeah, that's standard
<SilverFox>
interesting
<Majiir>
I mean shit, I got >$10K from the buyout
<SilverFox>
holy fuck
<Majiir>
and I'm just some dude who had been with the company less than a year
<Majiir>
with a salary
<Majiir>
So yeah the executive team with years of options, they made bank
<SilverFox>
that's pretty good
<Majiir>
Taking a company and getting it sold is also one of the best things you can do as a CEO
<SilverFox>
I can see that
<SilverFox>
it means its successful enough that people want it
<Majiir>
Yep
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<SilverFox>
even better would be to be so successful that no one can afford to buy t
<SilverFox>
which leads me to a question, what is the most expensive company currently?
<SilverFox>
what company is number one?
<SilverFox>
google?
<Majiir>
Google is publicly owned
<SilverFox>
publicly owned?
<Majiir>
It trades on the stock market
<Majiir>
You can buy Google stock, but you can't buy all of Google
<SilverFox>
ohhh that's what that means
<SilverFox>
so any company you can buy stock of is publicly owned?
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<Majiir>
Publicly traded
<Majiir>
and owned by some people in the public
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<Majiir>
It's not "publicly owned" as in government owned -.-
<SilverFox>
so do the people with the highest amount of stock get together in groups and decide on what's best for the company or some shit?
<Majiir>
Some shares let you vote
<SilverFox>
wow
<SilverFox>
~stock google
<FoxBot9000>
SilverFox: No such stock exists
<Majiir>
GOOG and GOOGL
<SilverFox>
why two?
<Majiir>
One can vote
<SilverFox>
~stock GOOG
<Majiir>
or nah
<FoxBot9000>
SilverFox: No such stock exists
<Majiir>
one is Alphabet
<SilverFox>
~stock GOOGL
<FoxBot9000>
SilverFox: No such stock exists
<Majiir>
that's the one
<SilverFox>
hmm
<Majiir>
no wait it's night time with Majiir again
<Majiir>
They're both Alphabet
<Majiir>
One is voting lol
<Majiir>
Class A = voting
<Majiir>
Class C = pleb tier
<Majiir>
Class B = something in between idfk
<SilverFox>
it's GOOGL according to google
<SilverFox>
~stock googl
<FoxBot9000>
SilverFox: No such stock exists
<SilverFox>
why
<SilverFox>
is the api down?
<Majiir>
sux2suk
<SilverFox>
~stock amd
<FoxBot9000>
SilverFox: No such stock exists
<SilverFox>
~stock intel
<FoxBot9000>
SilverFox: No such stock exists
<SilverFox>
~mystock
<SilverFox>
~commands
<FoxBot9000>
SilverFox, I am sending you my list of commands
<SilverFox>
~bank
<FoxBot9000>
SilverFox, your bank contains: $1013.95
<SilverFox>
sick
<SilverFox>
~sue Majiir
<FoxBot9000>
Majiir, you have been sued for: $325792
<SilverFox>
sick
<SilverFox>
pay up
<Majiir>
nah
<SilverFox>
ok
<Majiir>
Soozee wants her lawyer fees though
<Majiir>
$35K kthx
<SilverFox>
nah
<Majiir>
bruh you been C O U N T E R S U E D
<SilverFox>
K E K
<SilverFox>
why is amd stock going down wtf
<SilverFox>
intel stock is too
<Majiir>
the S&P is down today
<SilverFox>
S&P?
<Majiir>
good god man you're looking at stock prices and you don't know what the S&P 500 is?
<SilverFox>
Socket and Pennet?
<Majiir>
It's an index of 500 large companies
<Majiir>
US companies
<SilverFox>
ahhh
<SilverFox>
specifically US?
<SilverFox>
like no caenada allowed?
<Majiir>
Correct
<SilverFox>
okay, I wonder if canada has one
<Majiir>
The stock market is pretty much always divided between US and International
<Majiir>
because the US is 52% of the world stock market
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<SilverFox>
ahh
<Majiir>
There are definitely Canada ETFs and probably other indices
<SilverFox>
okay makes sense
<Majiir>
but nothing as well known as the S&P or Dow Jones
<Majiir>
I couldn't even tell you the name of an international index
<SilverFox>
I've heard of that last one
<SilverFox>
"the dow is down 2% today"
<SilverFox>
but never heard past that
<SilverFox>
is it possible to own half a stock?
<Majiir>
You mean a share?
<Majiir>
You can own fractional shares in mutual funds
<Majiir>
I don't think you can own fractional individual stock
<Majiir>
but I'm not sure
<SilverFox>
like, if I buy a stock, but I want half
<SilverFox>
amd stock is like, 13$
<SilverFox>
but If I only have 7$
<Majiir>
If you're investing with anything less than $1000, you're being silly
<SilverFox>
ye agreed
<Majiir>
Many mutual funds have a $3-5K minimum
<SilverFox>
one of my friends did 10,000
<SilverFox>
got himself a car in cahs
<SilverFox>
cash
<SilverFox>
a REALLY nice car
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<SilverFox>
I use to play the stock game in high school
<Majiir>
Game is a good word for it
<Majiir>
Buying individual stocks is almost always gambling
<SilverFox>
game myself 1000$ at the beginning of the semester, almost lost it halfway through, then got up to like, 10k buy the end
<Majiir>
We played a silly trading game for my econ class
<Majiir>
Everyone goes and buys their favorite company
<SilverFox>
and then loses
<Majiir>
I bought a bunch of put options and made 100x return the first day
<SilverFox>
kek
<Majiir>
because the simulator was stupid
<Majiir>
I think I also traded on ridiculous margin
<SilverFox>
ridiculous margin?
<Majiir>
Borrowing money to trade with
<SilverFox>
ahh
<SilverFox>
like those uhhhh
<SilverFox>
short term stocks or whatever you called t?
<Majiir>
...wat?
<SilverFox>
you made a deal of my bot not having it once
<SilverFox>
you couldn't "short" something
<SilverFox>
like, buy stocks without having the money
<Majiir>
Ah
<Majiir>
It's a different mechanism than shorting
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<SilverFox>
ahh, shorting
<Majiir>
Shorting is where you bet a stock will go down
<SilverFox>
interesting
<Majiir>
tl;dr borrow stock, sell it, wait, buy stock, give it back
<SilverFox>
sell high buy low make profit?
<Majiir>
Or the opposite and lose
<Majiir>
but unlike buying long, short selling means potentially unlimited losses
<SilverFox>
unlimited?
<Majiir>
Think about what happens if the stock price goes up 10x
<SilverFox>
ohhh
<SilverFox>
but you sell at a higher price
<SilverFox>
wait, it goes up before or after you buy?
<Majiir>
before
<Majiir>
It goes up during the "wait"
<SilverFox>
that's not good
<SilverFox>
you want it to go down and then recover
<SilverFox>
or just spike in general after you buy for maximum gains
<Majiir>
what? no
<Majiir>
You only buy it to repay the loan
<Majiir>
The whole point is you're betting it will go down
<SilverFox>
ahhh right
<SilverFox>
and if it goes up you're at a loss. right?
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<Majiir>
Yep
<SilverFox>
alright neat
<SilverFox>
can you combine the two stock methods then
<SilverFox>
buy low sell high and shorting?
<Majiir>
Sure, but they have the opposite effect
<Majiir>
so it just wastes money
<SilverFox>
interesting
<SilverFox>
with shorting can you specify how much a stock will drop or is it just "it'll drop" in general?
<Majiir>
Did you read my tl;dr?
<SilverFox>
where?
<SilverFox>
you posted a tl:dr?
<Majiir>
<Majiir> tl;dr borrow stock, sell it, wait, buy stock, give it back
<SilverFox>
oh wait I see it
<SilverFox>
ahhh
<SilverFox>
I get the process now
<SilverFox>
you sell X stock, then later you have to buy X stock back
<SilverFox>
and if it goes up, you're at a loss, if it goes down, you're at a net gain
<Greys>
;wa value of gold in USD per kilogram kilogram
<kmath>
Greys: convert gold->price to US dollars per kilogram squared: $/oz t (US dollars per troy ounce) and $ per kilogram^2 (US dollars per kilogram squared) are not compatible.
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<Greys>
;wa $1268/oz t to $/kg
<kmath>
Greys: convert $1268/oz t (US dollars per troy ounce) to US dollars per kilogram: $40770 per kilogram (US dollars per kilogram)
<kmath>
Greys: (3.837×10^15 kg (kilograms) (m^3 (cubic meter)))/($40770 per kilogram (US dollars per kilogram)): 9.411×10^10 kg^2m^3/$ (kilogram squared meters cubed per US dollar)
<Greys>
that is how much money scrooge mcduck might have.
<kmath>
Greys: (3.837×10^15 kg (kilograms) (m^3 (cubic meter)))×$40770 per kilogram (US dollars per kilogram): $1.564×10^20 m^3 (meter cubed US dollars)
<Greys>
unless it's that
<Greys>
so that's 1.564e20 dollers per cubic meter; I guess?"
<Greys>
156.4 quintillion dollars per cubic meter? that's a lot of rich
<Greys>
assuming necessary volume....
<Greys>
;wa $1.564e20 m^3 to millimeter cubed usd dollars
<kmath>
Greys: Wolfram couldn't understand your gibberish
<Greys>
;wa $1.564e20 m^3 to $/mm^3
<kmath>
Greys: Wolfram couldn't understand your gibberish
<Greys>
;wa $1.564e20 m^3 * 1mm^3
<kmath>
Greys: Wolfram couldn't understand your gibberish
<Greys>
ok, so you could have a volume at that density that wasn't rich
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<Greys>
huh, theko left
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<Greys>
on the topic of leatherworking, this seems reasonably attainable, but rigidity at larger scales gets more costly quickly https://youtu.be/kN4OskdeO8w
<kmath>
YouTube - DiResta Leather Camera Holster
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<Greys>
so in detroit, we're going to get about 80% eclipse, just under, maybe 78%
<VITAS>
and more importantly: intel will present its 8000 series cpus then
<darklight>
what
<darklight>
7000 just came out like a few months ago?
<VITAS>
then amd hit
<Greys>
what?
<VITAS>
its called cofee lake
<VITAS>
and it will have 6 cores
<VITAS>
(and some u and y series cpus for ultrabooks will have 2/4 cores andf be called cannon lake)
<darklight>
Greys unblock vitas
<darklight>
And I still don't understand why they'd depreciate cpus after a few months
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<VITAS>
it isnt a whole new cpu design its more like a stepping deluxe
<VITAS>
it comes with stuff like build in wifi support (no use for desktops) and soem other tweaks
<VITAS>
along with more cores
<G-Mobile>
No
<VITAS>
its simply there to battle amds ryzen
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<VITAS>
darklight, i wouldnt ask him anymore. if he wants to be confused and only get parts of the chat its ok with me
<darklight>
Why would a cpu come with wifi?
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<darklight>
Illuminati I take it? :P
<VITAS>
my guess is that their im is to end up with a SoC for all x86 cpus at some point
<VITAS>
and it isnt a compleate wikfi set
<VITAS>
like their chipset integrated ethernet you need additional parts to make it work
<darklight>
To be fair, a lot of shit on a mobo has been making its way into the cpu
<VITAS>
think ram controllers
<darklight>
Well, pcie
<VITAS>
for intel and amd it means you have to buy a new pu more frequently
<darklight>
That is all direct to the cpu now iirc
<VITAS>
you are willing to pay more because of the added featuresa
<darklight>
Not really
<VITAS>
systems can get smaller and less power hungry
<darklight>
People buy a new computer when their old one quits
<VITAS>
mobo supplyers have less complexity they can charge for
<VITAS>
or if they desire a new one
<darklight>
Speaking of quitting, yesterday a very old not-important tractor blew up
<VITAS>
think gfx cards
<darklight>
You can see a crack in the piston bore sleeve
<G-Mobile>
How far did the shrapnel go
<darklight>
Today, dads tractor quit :<
<VITAS>
most of them arent broken
<darklight>
Greys not like that really, but a big burst of what I thought was steam was released
<darklight>
Today was "rattle rattle clunk stop"
<G-Mobile>
Thats a rupture not an explosion
<VITAS>
damn you windows
<VITAS>
somehow "ms antimaleware" infected my computer
<VITAS>
and now its scanning my computer for "threads" and cant be stopped or uninstalled
<darklight>
I gave dad my air con tractor which is why I drove the duetz, which I call auschwitz because its essentially a german oven :<
<VITAS>
hogging all the storage subsystems bandwidth
<VITAS>
duetz?
<VITAS>
isnt it deutz?
<darklight>
duetz-fahr
<VITAS>
also "hey"
* darklight
doesn't know how to spell
<VITAS>
deutz is a part of cologne
* VITAS
will be there next week
<darklight>
I opened every window that could be opened, but luckily it is still kinda winter
<VITAS>
also im sure that ausschwitz is written with two s? :P
<G-Mobile>
Why are you farming in winter
<darklight>
Greys yeah but for reference its like... 8-27 degrees c ish atm
<darklight>
Some nights it gets down to 4c I think
<G-Mobile>
Global wanging...
<VITAS>
also: in an emergency (aka hot) break window
<darklight>
Cane is something that grows all year round, but cut from july-nov or dec depending on how many delays there are in the crushing
<VITAS>
i had to laugh: under related videos "Walking Through Auschwitz | WARNING: Actual footage of entire camp " so the usual stuff the person does isnt real and what they claim it is?
<darklight>
Vitas the back window lifts right up, but I'd probably break it on the bin the second I turned
<darklight>
We have a few of those tractors, I'll name the other one dakhau if its aircon ever stops working :P
<VITAS>
guess theres a dust problem as well if you would remove it or something like that
<darklight>
*dachau
<VITAS>
dan that would be dachau
<VITAS>
yes
<darklight>
I can handle dust
<G-Mobile>
You should repurpose your plane into a basting brush, i mean air circulator
<VITAS>
dang it now trhe searcxh indexer started too
<VITAS>
i want this fuck to be off. it makes the computer unusable
<darklight>
I've got a spare motor and I have thought of it
<VITAS>
(it locks up now)
<darklight>
Anakondai or windows?
<darklight>
I turned the kde equivalent off too
<VITAS>
windows 8.1
<darklight>
Also I have engineering advice, put air conditioners at the top of the cab where they belong, not under the seat where they can't be cleaned :<
<darklight>
The deutz and new holland 7030 suffers from that damn problem
<darklight>
Like, they try to route the air over the nice hot gearbox
<G-Mobile>
They'd just put the seat up there too
<darklight>
Instead of not routing it at all like a sane person :P
<darklight>
That wouldn't be a huge deal if the seat didn't way 50kg
<darklight>
*weigh
<darklight>
...
<G-Mobile>
You'd have to sit on the seat
<darklight>
For the 7030 we open the back window, put the loader bucket as close as we can and chuck it out the back
<G-Mobile>
The AC?
<darklight>
Not possible with the deutz as there is a cane bin there
<darklight>
Yeah
<darklight>
The evapotator is under the fucking seat
<G-Mobile>
You chucked the ac
<darklight>
You need to be able to clean it :P
<darklight>
Chucked the seat
<G-Mobile>
Out the back window
<darklight>
Yeah, into the loaders bucket
<G-Mobile>
Why not the door?
<darklight>
A few things are in the way, eaiser to lift it straight out the back window
<G-Mobile>
You might live in a tesseract
<darklight>
Also I negleted to mention, the entire tractors controls are attached to this seat, and it is a bit difficult taking them off
<G-Mobile>
Which does not have as many dimensions as a cubic acre
<darklight>
So cleaning the ac is like a... 2... 3 hour job compared to 10min on the 8340's
<darklight>
Also, cars seem to have the uncleanable ac disease as well
<G-Mobile>
In murka we clean our AC with rain
<darklight>
But I can bitch about that if I ever need to clean mine
<G-Mobile>
Is this a joke? I dont understand modern humor
<darklight>
Something about trump and north korea not smoking enough weed
<darklight>
"North Korea best not make any more threats to the United States [or] they'll be met with the fire and fury and frankly power, the likes of which this world has never seen before."
<darklight>
So that would mean at least 3 atomic bombs
<darklight>
Because we've seen 2
<G-Mobile>
We could individually nuke every square mile of nk
<darklight>
I personally am not in favour of using them, as all your going to do is kill civilians
<darklight>
But their existence does prevent wars from happening, normally
<darklight>
Silly fingerprint scanner :<
<darklight>
If it locks the phone you can't type the backup password either
<G-Mobile>
Mine doesnt do that
<darklight>
I use the fingerprint scanner
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<G-Mobile>
So fo i
<G-Mobile>
Do
<darklight>
Get it wrong 10 times or more
<darklight>
AvE has confused peltiers with thermocouples
<darklight>
I think
<SilverFox>
so guys, how do I take the C drive on my 1TB HDD on my desktop, and copy it onto this 512GB SSD I have, and have that SSD be bootable, without reinstalling windows?
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<MobileFox>
Of course my internet is being shit, so resend anything yall sent me
<MobileFox>
If yall even got my message
<G-Mobile>
You dont
<SilverFox>
what do you mean "You dont"
<SilverFox>
why
<SilverFox>
do I need a 1TB SSD?
<G-Mobile>
Windows hates travel
<SilverFox>
VITAS, is there a way you know of?
<SilverFox>
darklight?
<SilverFox>
also why the fuck is foxbot not here wtf
<SilverFox>
VITAS, I have a mechanical 3.5" hdd and it makes a lot of noise and shit, I have a 512GB SSD that wont make noise and I want to transfer my windows install to that SSD without having to reinstall windows
<VITAS>
clonezilla and such
<darklight>
You need to resize the ntfs filesystem and partition
<VITAS>
but before you do defrag the drive and clean it until theres no more than 490gb of space used
<G-Mobile>
oh you're not moving it to a laptop?
<SilverFox>
VITAS, there's like, 300someGB used
<G-Mobile>
yea then just make a livecd of just about any linux, open gparted and copy the partition into a smaller partition
<VITAS>
there are also tools from samsung and so on to do that
<G-Mobile>
it's the travelling that windows doesn't like
<G-Mobile>
that said depending on your version of windows a fresh install on SSD may be more prepared to take advantage of being on an SSD
<darklight>
Shrink it so its smaller than 500gb (the smaller the better, but leave at least some free space)
<darklight>
Then do a block copy, I like using ddrescue on linux, but there are other less dangerous programs
<G-Mobile>
you can make this copy without altering the original hard drive
<darklight>
Greys windows can travel
<G-Mobile>
yea but it hates it
* VITAS
walks away because he is anyoed by greys getting involved without even be able to read all the text
<darklight>
7 and 10 are better at it than xp or vista were
<darklight>
Its not 2001 anymore
<G-Mobile>
better, but they still piss all over
<G-Mobile>
7 because it's got a lot of installtime build stuff such as "I'm on an SSD, I should act differently"
<G-Mobile>
10 because of DRM
<darklight>
ddrescue is nice because if a part of the hdd is fucked it won't kill the entire transfer, it will recover what it can
<G-Mobile>
nothing's damaged, silver's just upgrading
<darklight>
I would recommend reinstalling too, but it depends how much effort sf has put in over the years
<darklight>
If you don't have time to waste, any block copy program is fine, but obviously can't be run from windows
<G-Mobile>
I reinstalled after six years this spring, it wasn't a big deal; but I have functioning internet
<SilverFox>
darklight, this is about 7ish years of work into the computer
<darklight>
Yeah but my sis has photoshop brushes and keyboard shortcuts coming out the wazoo
<SilverFox>
darklight, do I have to defrag all the volumes on the drive or just my main volume?
<darklight>
Don't need to defrag anything, but you do need to shrink the volume by that thing I linked
<VITAS>
best is to defrag all of them so that all data is at the beginning of the drive
<VITAS>
if thats the case your partition table is still valid and you only have to correct the amoutn of block used by the partition for the first partiton(s)
<darklight>
That's what shrink does
<darklight>
Moves the shit past the shrink point :P
<VITAS>
yes shrinking before imaging is one option the other is defraging and than just imaging to a smaller volume
<VITAS>
so either way is valid
<SilverFox>
mkay, ima defrag and then shrink just cause
<SilverFox>
this isnt time crucial
<SilverFox>
now, what if I plug in the SSD with a sata-USB cable?
<SilverFox>
will that matter at all?
<VITAS>
sata is better
<darklight>
sata usb?
<SilverFox>
yeah, sata one end, usb the other
<darklight>
wat
<VITAS>
but i think depending ont he imaging soft u use it doesnt matter
<SilverFox>
one frame gifs and other images that look like gifs, but aren't gifs, should be illegal
<Greys>
let's just retire the gif format and replace it with an audioless easy to process low bitrate uncompressed shitty videostream, such as gif has become
<SilverFox>
also Greys, which is better in your opinion, 3 breasts or 4 breasts, and if 4 breasts subcategory it, 4 horizontal or 2 rows of 2?
<Greys>
2
<SilverFox>
2 rows of 2?
<SilverFox>
hm
<SilverFox>
alright
<Greys>
no, that's the second question
<SilverFox>
no take backsies
<Greys>
that's not how that works
<SilverFox>
my hands are tied
<SilverFox>
no take backsies was called
<SilverFox>
im sorry, there's nothing I can do
<Greys>
there used to be a guy named fosbery that made guns
<Greys>
better yet, he was a british colnel
<Greys>
so, in the adventures of wtf are these people doing; two days ago a crew went through the neighborhood and removed all the porches
<Greys>
today they've come back to reinstall them
<SilverFox>
nice
<Greys>
why would you do that?
<Greys>
there's been the stairs, a pile of dirt, and two planks between the stairs and the door; why
<Greys>
btw the patios were a box of bricks with a cement slab roof packed full of dirt
<Greys>
I suspect that when they finish, they'll put the same cement slab back
<SilverFox>
wait how do you tear down a neighborhood of porches in a day?
<FoxBot9000>
Greys: vehement (English word): 1 | adjective | marked by extreme intensity of emotions or convictions; inclined to react violently; fervid
<Greys>
mmkay
<Greys>
so.... angry document
<darklight>
I don't think I'd call it an angry document at all
<Greys>
right but the question was "what's a screed"
<darklight>
Google says "a long piece of writing"
<SilverFox>
a strongly emotioned document
<SilverFox>
doesnt have to be angry
<darklight>
It didn't come off like that to me, but I have different bias
<Greys>
I'm not inclined to read a 10 page document
<Greys>
is it a joke?
<darklight>
Its 100% serious
<Greys>
is it authoritative?
<darklight>
Basically, he beleives men and women are different, and thats why google has "a diversity problem"
<Greys>
that wasn't the question
<Greys>
does the document hold authority
<darklight>
He felt that the current solutions were not ideal and provided alternatives
<Greys>
or is it just some fuck's manifesto of supremacy
<darklight>
No, just some random employee worried about google
<stratochief>
screed is more "passionate" than angry or emotional. maybe a good comparison would be manifesto?
<darklight>
Its definitely passionate
<SilverFox>
probably
<stratochief>
wasn't the guy who wrote it fired?
<darklight>
Yeap
<Greys>
and who was he
<Greys>
not by name
<Greys>
nobody gives a shit who his name was
<Greys>
no pictures either
<stratochief>
Greys: not authoritative, it was written by an employee of google, mid-level programmer I believe
<Greys>
fuck that guy, fire him
<SilverFox>
why
<Greys>
for publishing a document saying women are the problem
<darklight>
Go down to his suggestions
<Greys>
nah, splunky time
<stratochief>
Greys: at the same time, it still represents the frustrated feelings of a sizable minority (10-25%) of programmers in silicon valley, and many believe that minority should be engaged constructively rather than outright fired
<darklight>
Hired doing a code challange, promoted twice, worked for 3 years
<SilverFox>
this is why greys isnt in any position of power
<SilverFox>
promoted twice in 3 years?
<SilverFox>
damn
<darklight>
Its only a few paragraphs and its worth reading
<stratochief>
I mean, I understand firing this one guy for publishing/making public his manifesto in such a manner, because it effective creates a hostile workplace environment
<darklight>
The thing is he didn't
<darklight>
It was spread internally and someone leaked it
<SilverFox>
ooh shit
<darklight>
He was worried about google
<darklight>
(If you read the document that will come across)
<Greys>
don't create things that will be a weapon against you if ever made public
<Greys>
no human has the capacity to prevent things from going public
<Greys>
they can only try
<stratochief>
darklight: not making a direct comparison, but white nationalists are concerned about america. just because someone is concerned doesn't mean they should spread their idea freely amongst their co-workers
<darklight>
I'm sure the media will report this like "hurr durr women belong in the kitchen", but thats so far off base
<stratochief>
I believe some slightly unconventional things, and I wouldn't spread them amongst my co-workers
<VITAS>
my boss just put me in the acc of an email where he offers some person that i could show him the mass spectrometry app hes coding
<VITAS>
is he nuts?! im co chemist. i dodnt even know what it does!
<Greys>
I have opinions about how my company could be doing a better job; I don't tell people these opinions, because nobody wants to hear what the night guard thinks about cloud services
<stratochief>
mass spec is applied physics, isn't it?
<VITAS>
no its chemstry
<VITAS>
gass mass spectrometry or chramtography
<VITAS>
or fuck i dont care
<VITAS>
:D
<SilverFox>
chromatography?
<VITAS>
i did computer and media sience
<VITAS>
maybe
<Greys>
so really what was this guy's position
<Greys>
women are the problem seems unlikely
<VITAS>
anyway i wont show shit
<darklight>
strat I've not worked in a corporate environment, but if somethings fucked I'll pass it upwards
<Greys>
the company dealing with women is the problem could be a rational stance
* VITAS
is currently still working on fixing his lastz fuckup
<darklight>
I've only worked in industry though....
<stratochief>
darklight: right. in a corporate environment, 'up' is to HR in this case, which isn't what he did
<Greys>
HR is usually more like diagonal down into a hellmouth
* VITAS
walsk away throwing his arms in the air :D
* stratochief
measures the curvature of VITAS' trajectory to determine what sort of ion VITAS is
<Greys>
a bad one
<darklight>
Also as far as white nationalists go, eh, I think their end goal is... dumb, to put it lightly, but I also get some of their concerns
<VITAS>
xeon with a lot of velocity
<VITAS>
:P
<stratochief>
VITAS: I learned about mass spec in both physics and chem, it is cool actually.
<Greys>
white nationalists was an example not a tangent or accusation
<VITAS>
fwhat isnt cool is to promise someone that im on the same level as some phd in chemistry
<darklight>
Greys I'm aware
<stratochief>
darklight: sure, everybody is free to have a theory about what is wrong with America. theirs is just not backed by evidence, and they are close minded to evidence that doesn't agree with their pet theory. same with most people and their pet theories, really
<VITAS>
and offering someone like this that i could demonstrate some stuff to them without asking me
<darklight>
White nationalists will have not-white nationalist allies
<stratochief>
VITAS: ehh, read a few wiki pages on it, you can fake it :P
<Greys>
in order to take names and build records for the purge
<VITAS>
i dont want to
<VITAS>
im the IT guy in the company
<VITAS>
no sales person and no chemist
<darklight>
Greys, no, I mean like they'll see "islamification" as a bad thing. I do to.
<VITAS>
aka not my department and his problem to now tell them that he cant deliver on his offer
<stratochief>
darklight: *too
<darklight>
Its the same end view, but we don't share the same lens or reasons
<VITAS>
we have islamification for decades now in germany and it brought us falaffel
<VITAS>
:D
<stratochief>
darklight: I also see fundamentalist christianity as a bad thing, but I have found that fundamentalists of all stripes can be integrated into my country just fine with education and compasion *shrug*
<Greys>
that's just because you're an islamificationosexual
<stratochief>
sell the old empty churches to the immigrant muslims. in my old neighbourhood they were converting churches into appartments :P
<darklight>
I'm probably not as optomistic for first generation, but second generation is probably completely fine
<VITAS>
they convert churches to supercomputer datacenters in spain
<VITAS>
so it isnt all bad
<darklight>
So long as you're living in a melting pot and not a salad bowl :P
<stratochief>
darklight: yeah, agreed. that is the same for all religions in my experience, though. first gen is less chill, but integration/multiculturalism chills them down. everyone likes economic opportunity
<darklight>
Well I try to individualise it, like if I went to live in saudi arabia I... I don't think I'd like that country, at all
<SilverFox>
restaurant in china offering discounts for tit size
<stratochief>
darklight: agreed. but most people in saudi arabia are servents/slaves, and don't have citizenship. the world outside the OECD is pretty fuckt
<Greys>
I wonder what webcomic they stole that chart from
<SilverFox>
it's all the league girls with various tit sizes
<stratochief>
apparently being granted citizenship of the country you're born into isn't a global norm
<SilverFox>
jinx, lux, vayne, irelia, soraka, ahri, sona
<SilverFox>
left to right respectively
<Greys>
that's much less interesting
<darklight>
Yes but then I flip that, if they come here. Like I find trumps "must know some english" requirement to be common sense? How will you integrate with no communication :-/
<SilverFox>
you just find communities of your people
<SilverFox>
and segregate yourself like you always do by nature
<darklight>
Silvefox and that's where you're in salad bowl territory
<SilverFox>
wut?
<stratochief>
darklight: ESL learning classes? "must speak some english" is a pretty vague requirement.
<stratochief>
not like you need decent english skills to pick fruit or clean bathrooms and hotel rooms
<VITAS>
Hello, shit <- soem english
<darklight>
However its formalised, it doesn't matter, and you only need a basic grasp to start
<SilverFox>
show bobs and vaegana
<stratochief>
yardwork crews just speak spanish anyway, just need a manager who speaks 'some english'
<stratochief>
VITAS: baseball, mickey mouse. coca cola
<darklight>
My view on this is probably completely warped though, I live in australia after all
<VITAS>
brand names arent english
<VITAS>
but base, ball mouse are
<stratochief>
TIL, nouns aren't language
<SilverFox>
same
<Greys>
why should they integrate?
* VITAS
is an it guy. all i can is count to 1
<Greys>
wow
<darklight>
Pretty rural area I guess, but we get heaps of tourists from all over, and iirc we have a fair few asian migrants which I really don't see as a problem at all
<Greys>
I'm really falling out with Tested
<stratochief>
integration is hard, differentiate is easier. *calculus jokes*
<Greys>
how do you spend fifty minutes assembling a PC, when you claim to be a super nerd?
<Greys>
it's like four screws!
<stratochief>
honestly, real time digital translation is being scary good.
<stratochief>
*becoming, not being
<darklight>
Err... it does take a while to build from scratch
<Greys>
only when it's a custom built desk
<Greys>
you'll spend longer by far taking things out of boxes
<darklight>
I was disappointed when they tried to make a hydrogen oxygen generator without sulfiric
<darklight>
*sulfuric
<Greys>
of course they start the video by making a macs are out of date joke
<darklight>
It took all day and we got nothing!
<Greys>
they got something; just not much
<darklight>
I bet the idiots even tried to add salt
<Greys>
nope
<darklight>
Oh, so they knew that would make chlorine gas?
<Greys>
it takes them 18 minutes to get the motherboard into the case
<darklight>
Err... 1am.... wake up at 7
<darklight>
Need to go to sleep :<
<Greys>
34 minutes to put the GPU in; and they're using the stock cooler
<darklight>
Do they at least put the ram in first before mounting the mobo?
<Greys>
everyone knows stock coolers are crap
<darklight>
Stock cooler is fine on 1155
<darklight>
65w cpus now, not 1w5
<darklight>
*125
<Greys>
ryzen
<darklight>
I still use an AIO though, they are wonderful
<darklight>
REEE
<SilverFox>
ryzen are decent for power usage apparently
<Greys>
nope, motherboard then ram then heatsink then GPU
<darklight>
ohhhhkay
<Greys>
still, for 20$ you can get an aftermarket cooler that will drop your temps to a third
<darklight>
Anyway, night
<Greys>
stock coolers /work/ now, but they're still crap
<Greys>
and loud
<darklight>
Mr Kelvin would disagree
<darklight>
And smaller
<darklight>
AIO master race
<Greys>
AIOs are great yes, but they're expensive
<VITAS>
did the coin mining boom die off? is it ok to buy GPUs again?
* VITAS
has a shuttel barebone. its small-ish and expandable
<darklight>
AIO's are 1/3rd or less the cost of watercooling by parts
<Greys>
20$ for a decent aftermarket cooler or 100$ for a decent AIO; both are good options, but the AIO is luxury
<darklight>
Vitas it does increase the second hand market
<Greys>
either would be a huge upgrade to stock
<darklight>
But those video cards are "ridden hard and put away wet"
<darklight>
or dry, depending
<Greys>
charged
<VITAS>
darklight, youre right many barly used gpus will be a thing
<kmath>
YouTube - 10 Everyday Things That Aren't Legal In NORTH KOREA
<FoxBot9000>
yt: 10 Everyday Things That Aren't Legal In NORTH KOREA | TheRichest
<Greys>
bug
<SilverFox>
?
<Greys>
'
<SilverFox>
yeah?
<SilverFox>
its the thing for an apostrophe
<Greys>
bug
<SilverFox>
not important
<Greys>
I didn't sayanything about importance
<Greys>
also it's kinda important because it indicates that your framework for handling text from network sources is flawed, possibly impacting the entirity of the bot
<SilverFox>
naw that's just you making baseless assumptions
<Greys>
see, the only baseless part, is that you have a framework for handling text from network sources
<Greys>
which would be the sane thing to do
<SilverFox>
i do not give two shits how well foxbot is coded in java
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<Greys>
mmmmkay
<Greys>
you can keep your strawman
<Greys>
I'm gon' home
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<G-Mobile>
Manga about a girl having gone off to college reunites with her somewhat estranged sister only to learn that their parents had kicked the sister out for being gay
<SilverFox>
inb4 incest happens
<G-Mobile>
Nah, sister has a girlfriend
<darklight>
Can't sleep yet, tomorrow will suck :<
<darklight>
Greys can you explain your definition of strawman
<SilverFox>
darklight, wait I got some recovery volumes and stuff
<SilverFox>
do I need that volume for windows to function?
<darklight>
SF shrink everything under the new size and move the partitions, iirc you should be able to move them
<darklight>
I think it is only used in recovery mode
<SilverFox>
like safe mode?
<SilverFox>
jesus christ it's 18GB
<darklight>
Greys, a strawman is when you take someones argument and misrepresent a weaker version of it and then argue with it instead
<darklight>
A: Mass immigration is bad because it reduces the value of unskilled labour because it increases its supply of unskilled workers. B: A said immigrants are gonna take yer jerbs, A is so silly!
<darklight>
That being said, rhetoric is a powerful tool
<stratochief>
yeah, most of the people who know biases and falacies just exploit them in advertising, debate, and rhetoric :P
<stratochief>
the dark side pays well
<SilverFox>
wait wtf
<SilverFox>
I can use my live linux hdd and boot it from usb
<SilverFox>
and hook up both the hdd and new ssd into the sata ports
<darklight>
I did say it was a powerful tool, didn't say anything about its alignment :P
<G-Mobile>
darklight: the stance that someone else's argument is invalid based on asserting points they didnt make are irrelevant
<stratochief>
the tools are neutral, but their application is poorly aligned
<G-Mobile>
Strawman is really more vague than you describe
<darklight>
Saying an argument is invalid is kinda dumb tbh
<darklight>
You don't even need facts but it helps if they are on your side
<darklight>
It just bogs down time, or is "for show". Debate is for spectators, not the people talking anyway
<darklight>
If you wanted to be useful you do the opposite, the "iron man"
<stratochief>
steel man?
<darklight>
Whatever it is called
<darklight>
Depends on the purpose I guess
<stratochief>
He was turned to steel, in a great magnetic field.
<SilverFox>
wait
<SilverFox>
isnt steel paramagnetic?
<SilverFox>
or like, not at all magnetic?
<darklight>
If you are helping someone who hasn't shaped their opinions yet, sure. If you are making critics look unreasonable, go suckca dick
<darklight>
Stainless steel is sometimes not magnetic
<darklight>
Depends on the grade
<stratochief>
steel is very magnetic. ferromagnetic. there -might- be varients on steel that are less magnetic, but I don't think you can make an iron based thing entirely non-magnetic
<G-Mobile>
You can make stainless steel magnetic by heating it
<stratochief>
or deforming it.
<stratochief>
TIL that you can make non-magnetic steels
<G-Mobile>
Heat is a dimension
<G-Mobile>
Oh yea, most steel isnt magnetic
<darklight>
It depends on the secret herbs and spices they put in it
<darklight>
316 isn't magnetic, 304 is slightly
<stratochief>
G-Mobile: I wouldn't say 'most'. most steel is just some variation of carbon steel
<darklight>
I think...
<stratochief>
therefore you are!
<darklight>
Anyway, nearly 3, I should try to sleep :<
<G-Mobile>
Or not!
<SilverFox>
past 3 it's of little benefit7
<SilverFox>
just shotgun a covfefe and you'll be fine
<G-Mobile>
Btw, sister has persecution issues and girlfriend has abandonment issues, but girl is able to cement their cracky love via acceptance
<SilverFox>
my computer better be able to boot from usb
<SilverFox>
I swear to fuck
<VITAS>
it should be but you might have to force it
<SilverFox>
yeah I have to bios and shit
<VITAS>
yes and shit
<SilverFox>
VITAS, off-topic; vr porn
<SilverFox>
weirdest experience of my life
<VITAS>
never tried it i only had real sex whil beeing drunk tot the point of not bweeing able to move more than my head
<VITAS>
-t
<VITAS>
must be similar
<SilverFox>
well, imagine you could only rotate your head
<VITAS>
yes as i said similar
<SilverFox>
and things get real fucking close to your eyeballs and they go all blurry
<SilverFox>
but you cant fucking experience it if you dont look at it
<SilverFox>
so there's this blurry fuckin cyclops in front of you because their eyes merged into one
<VITAS>
yes they need dick force feedback
<VITAS>
:P
<SilverFox>
and vagina, dont be sexist
<VITAS>
inflatable cock rings :P
<SilverFox>
wait
<SilverFox>
they have that
<SilverFox>
pornhub has it
<VITAS>
pfft im just egocentric
<VITAS>
:D
<SilverFox>
the dickforcefeedback
<SilverFox>
im like, 95% sure ponrhub has a thing for that
<SilverFox>
you hook up a special pocket puss
<SilverFox>
and away ye go
<VITAS>
i remember that wired movie from the 70s? 60s? where they invented a brain recording device
<VITAS>
like a vcr for your brane
<VITAS>
brain
<SilverFox>
pls no
<VITAS>
and one dude died because he made a loop from the orgasm part of a porn movie and wasnt able to stop iot
<VITAS>
:D
<VITAS>
-o
<VITAS>
cant remember the title
<SilverFox>
sick
<SilverFox>
the bottom half of my usb is orange rather than blue, how do I tell if it's usb 2.0 or 3.0?
<VITAS>
plug
<VITAS>
is it blue?
<VITAS>
if its orange then it isnt i think
<SilverFox>
the usb part on the usb drive is orange
<VITAS>
2.0 but you cant tell
<VITAS>
only transfer
* xShadowx
thinks seeing half a convo is weird
<xShadowx>
usb color has almost nothing to do with usb type, because china
<xShadowx>
1.0/1.1/2.0 you cant really tell from the plug, 3.0 has extra pins
<SilverFox>
okay, transfer is done
<SilverFox>
it's tme
<SilverFox>
time
<SilverFox>
VITAS, I press f12 and it brings up the "select a boot device" menu, but only the network cards are showing up
<SilverFox>
this is concerning
<VITAS>
you need to alter your bios then
<VITAS>
and enable usb boot
<SilverFox>
ima try the other fkeys
<SilverFox>
lets goooooooooo
<VITAS>
f8
<SilverFox>
"repairing disk errors. this might take over an hour to complete" aaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH
<VITAS>
oh
<SilverFox>
i'll try f8 when it's done shutting down and I can boot it without drive errors
<SilverFox>
it's stll not shutdown yet mmmmm
<SilverFox>
finally
<SilverFox>
somehow it just straight up booted to clonezilla
<SilverFox>
after pressing f8
<SilverFox>
anyways, do I go and work with discs or partitions with images or should I work directly from the disk or partition to the disk or partition?
<SilverFox>
VITAS, is it normal to not have progress updates? it looks like it's just sitting there
<SilverFox>
oh fuck, it said "press enter to continue" but it was blocked because I have a tv not monitor
<VITAS>
lol
<VITAS>
and yes its normal for me to just sit here and not give any progress updates ;)
<SilverFox>
lol
<SilverFox>
nvm I got it
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<SilverFox>
wait its now giving me the choice to reboot or power off, I dont think it did the thing
<VITAS>
no it should have loaded soem ui
<SilverFox>
it did
<VITAS>
biod boot mode?
<VITAS>
bios
<SilverFox>
oh, didnt see any bios
<VITAS>
yes but apart from a boot manager
<VITAS>
bios mode as opposed to uefi mode
<VITAS>
you might call it cms or something liek it
<SilverFox>
ahh
<SilverFox>
well i dont think that happened
<SilverFox>
my computer is off now
<VITAS>
ok time to take a break :P
<VITAS>
i will go to bed now so night
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<SilverFox>
fuck it says there isnt space left on the ssd?
<VITAS>
del existing partitions first
<SilverFox>
ohright, can clonezilla do that?
<VITAS>
sure
<SilverFox>
I can do it on my laptop
<SilverFox>
fuck it's not recognizing my ssd anymore
<SilverFox>
cant do a disk to disk or partition to partition thing because it doesnt show up
<VITAS>
in what os?
<SilverFox>
clonezilla
<VITAS>
connected via usb?
<SilverFox>
sata
<SilverFox>
I cant seem to fully format it via my laptop through usb
<SilverFox>
I have the 4 volumes on it and it wont let me make one big volume
<VITAS>
tried diskmanager in your computer controlpanel?