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<MobileFox>
Fucking Simpsons episode on "model UN"
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<MobileFox>
"Poland, what have you accomplished?" "Uhhh"
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<MobileFox>
They stranded on an island
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<MobileFox>
Milhouse probably ate all the food and now they all turned savage
<MobileFox>
Holy fuck
<MobileFox>
South Park
<MobileFox>
Pc principal
<RandomJeb>
so there's a state of emergency in nevada because they're out of legal weed
<MobileFox>
Holy fuck what
<RandomJeb>
stores can't get supplies fast enough to meet demand
<MobileFox>
Did they actually declare a state of emergency
<RandomJeb>
well apparently it was just a writ of statement of emergency by the governor and not an actual state of emergency or something
<RandomJeb>
sounds like he was too high and panicked to do the procedure right
<MobileFox>
Fucking christ
<GlassYuri>
can't they just temporarily use illegal weed
<MobileFox>
No
<MobileFox>
Because that's illegal
<RandomJeb>
illegal weed is bad
<MobileFox>
Its impure and cant be cleansed
<RandomJeb>
the filth of criminality will always stick to it
<MobileFox>
ANd with all the fucKing fentynol lacing, will probably kill people
<GlassYuri>
there's some point to that, can't assume that criminals follow food safety standards
<RandomJeb>
untaxed, illegal marijuana: not even once
<RandomJeb>
I almost never smoke untaxed illegal marijuana
<MobileFox>
We get it dude, you vape
<RandomJeb>
no I smoke hash
<MobileFox>
WE GET IT, YOU VAPE
<RandomJeb>
vape naysh yall
<MobileFox>
"The Japanese decide who is gay, it's called yaoi"
<RandomJeb>
In an email on Tuesday, Nevada Governor Brian Sandoval's office clarified that a state of emergency is reserved for natural disasters. In this situation, a statement of emergency allows for "a prompt response to a temporary situation."
<MobileFox>
I need to watch south park like I do king of the hill
<MobileFox>
Fucking christ
<RandomJeb>
if the weed shops run out then that's big tax dollars not coming in
<MobileFox>
"son, being gay is not your choice, it's Japan's"
<RandomJeb>
are you watching untaxed illegal south park streams on youtube?
<MobileFox>
NO
<MobileFox>
LEGAL TAXED TV
<RandomJeb>
you're a good citizen
<MobileFox>
Feel for me, im forced to watch "MUCH" tv channel for the next 5 hours
<RandomJeb>
such tv channel, much wow
<MobileFox>
The woman in the movie "atomic blonde" is brunette
<MobileFox>
What has our world come to
<RandomJeb>
everything is fake news
<MobileFox>
Police officer: "we used to be able beat up minorities and nobody cared, that's why we joined the force"
<MobileFox>
Ew, 10 burger king nuggets for 1.99
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<MobileFox>
The kids started a giant ninja club and now everyone thinks they're isis
<MobileFox>
Using acronyms that haven't been previously established is illegal
<MobileFox>
You're lucky i dont write you up for this offense
<Greys>
I immediately retrieved the wikilink
<MobileFox>
You posted in the wrong order
<Greys>
so this phone has A-GPS, GLONASS, aaaand BDS
<MobileFox>
Sweet
<Greys>
I think that's all the major networks currently up
<MobileFox>
I wonder how much of My phone I have to pay off
<Greys>
I wonder if you can use satelites from multiple networks to establish a lock, or if you have to establish locks with each network and then a superlock of locks
<MobileFox>
Probably the latter
<Greys>
also, one of my favorite features, 5.8GHz
<Greys>
I can finally switch my home network from 2.4GHz to 5.8GHz and escape the congestion
<lpghatguy>
I haven't made the jump to decent wireless headphones on my phone mostly
<lpghatguy>
sometimes I use my big wireless gaming headset with a type C to type A USB adapter
<Greys>
I listen to podcasts, audio fidelity isn't a major concern
<Greys>
I'm very happy with my Bluez 2s; but you do have to carry around ear plugs
<lpghatguy>
How well does the bone conductivity audio actually work?
<lpghatguy>
I remember the launch of the Audiobone or whatever, one of the first commercial ones, and it was awful
<lpghatguy>
worst headphones I've ever seen :(
<Greys>
great
<Greys>
it's crap for music
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<lpghatguy>
oh, I guess that's what I tried it for
<Greys>
the nature of sound and bone and shit, it takes a lot of force to transmit deep bass, and high tones are attenuated
<lpghatguy>
I remember it made my jaw feel really numb
<Greys>
this headset has an EQ to boost bass a lot and that works a bit but to really get bass you have to have ear plugs in
<Greys>
there's a growing number of workable bluetooth headsets, I like this one because I can leave it on all the time, and I use earplugs for this work, and my last real job, and the fake job I had between them
<Greys>
Samsung had about 5 devices that used non-compatible non-backwards-compatible variant 3.0 micro B
<Greys>
you could not charge those devices with 2 micro B
<darklight>
wat
<Greys>
you could not use their 3 micro B cable with anything other than a subset of these devices
<Greys>
because it wasn't even a single variant
<Greys>
the wires were hooked up differently on the micro end
<MobileFox>
How do you fuck up a +/- pin pair.
<lpghatguy>
easily
<Greys>
I wish I could mind beam the understanding that USB is genderless into every human's brain
<lpghatguy>
barring OTG cables, isn't USB almost completely type A (Host) connecting to type B (slave)?
<lpghatguy>
(and USB type C, which is bidirectional host?)
<Greys>
yes
<Greys>
in fact by definition that is the scope of the case
<Greys>
(except for OTC) A must always be the host, and if you plug two A ports into eachother somehow, neither device would understand
<Greys>
G
<lpghatguy>
there are a lot of fuzzy cases I've seen recently with Type C where the two devices *might* communicate but often don't
<lpghatguy>
C<->C with my desktop and phone are still definitively desktop being master and phone being slave
<lpghatguy>
when I plug two type C phones to eachother it seems like kind of a tossup which devices tries to charge the other
<Greys>
yea, like how you can charge a macbook by plugging it into a Switch
<lpghatguy>
the first time I plugged my MacBook's type C dock thing into my phone and everything except the display worked, I was so amazed
<lpghatguy>
like, that is the goddamn *future*
<MobileFox>
Why is this amazing?
<Greys>
I'll be happier when HTC puts out the U12, exactly the same as the U11 but with the then modern android release, and wireless charging
<Greys>
MobileFox, imagine you could uplug your computer from the existence of itself and plug your phone in and everything connected to your computer's existence was like "Yea, cool"
<lpghatguy>
imagine when I can just plug my phone into a device with a better CPU/GPU and keep all my data and settings and stuff
<lpghatguy>
my omni-device that uses PCI Express hotplug over Thunderbolt over USB Type C or some magic to self-upgrade for the task at hand
<MobileFox>
Oh, so i could upgrade my pc and everything would be fine with the hardware change kind of deal?
<lpghatguy>
your PC just becomes this husk of peripherals, and you "actual" device is just your phone
<lpghatguy>
in the case of my dock at work, I can come into work and plug my little type C connector to my phone and use my regular desk keyboard/mouse/network connection
<Greys>
John Siracusa has a concept put forth during his original ground breaking podcast, he spoke at length about apple's apparent intent with the iphone design and described an ultimage goal they seemed to be working at as "the naked robotic core", a tiny powerful outwardly featureless plate with a screen on it, small enough that you could put it into whatever outward features you want and still have a small pleasing object
<MobileFox>
I wont be impressed until I can charge my phone with lightning
<lpghatguy>
you can use... a lightning cable?
<Greys>
such as battery banks, you want more battery, this core is small enough to fit in a battery case and still be small
<lpghatguy>
the modular phone idea is pretty tired and technically difficult
<Greys>
not modular phone
<MobileFox>
Lpghatguy, no, actual lightning
<MobileFox>
Van de graffe my phone
<Greys>
like phone, complete and functional, plus exophone, adding the extra shit that you want but wasn't neccessary
<lpghatguy>
oh, didn't LG do that with their recent phone?
<lpghatguy>
You can like add on an extra battery, or sensors or a nicer camera
<Greys>
yea but they failed slightly
<Greys>
#1 LG can't succeed, it's a rule of space
<lpghatguy>
MobileFox: as long as it's an internet of shit device that lets me electrocute people, okay
<Greys>
#2, the phone was not complete unless it was wearing an exophone
<Greys>
a naked robotic core is fully operational on it's own
<lpghatguy>
I guess the exophone idea fits into my vision of the omnitool phone
<lpghatguy>
the Gear VR fits into that vision too, but I think it sucks and isn't worth anyone's time
<Greys>
they were specifically speculating in the time between the iphone 5 and iphone 6
<MobileFox>
Can lightning work in vacuum?
<Hyratel1>
not as 'lightning'
<Greys>
one of his arguments I believe was "the iphones keep getting slipperier, but they keep getting smaller, so you can put a case on it to get the grip you want"
<Greys>
the lightning connector can
<MobileFox>
No, fuck cables
<lpghatguy>
I guess that's the primary reason why I put a case on my 6P?
<MobileFox>
I want a jar of fucking lightning to charge my phone
<lpghatguy>
and the primary reason why I'd expect you to put a case on your squeeze phone, Greys!
<lpghatguy>
dunno, I miss that clunky clamshell design and the huge keyboard it afforded
<MobileFox>
Tfw i have a Samsung Galaxy 4
<Greys>
haha
<Greys>
canada
<MobileFox>
Its not sold anymore, really
<darklight>
I brought an s5 a few months ago because I saw the samsung 7 and thought "Why is this phone worth 500 more shekels"
<MobileFox>
I kinda want an S8
<Greys>
so yanno how stardew valley is basically Harvest Moon except it doesn't try to copy HM in any way beyond abstract theme and overall goals?
<Greys>
I want that but with pokemon
<Greys>
a game like pokemon that isn't trying to be pokemon
<MobileFox>
Well that's not going to happen
<Greys>
you're banned from this conversation for previous offenses to logic
<MobileFox>
Too late
<Greys>
see here's your failure
<Greys>
harvest moon is nintendo
<Greys>
and stardew valley isn't
<Greys>
and I want the stardew valley to harvest moon of pokemon
<Greys>
so why would it be different
<MobileFox>
Yeah, but Nintendo has a strict testicle hold on all things that can be pokemon
<Greys>
so don't make pokemon
<Greys>
I want a game where you collect and train a team to use in a strategic turn based combat system in order to progress in rank while exploring a space
<MobileFox>
So an rpg
<MobileFox>
Team Based
<Greys>
where you build the team
<MobileFox>
Robots
<Greys>
everything else, whatever
<Greys>
monsters, orphans, robots, fairy magic, all of the above
<MobileFox>
Monster robot fairy orphans
<Greys>
cyborg fairy monster orphans
<Greys>
I'm on board
<MobileFox>
Sounds great
<MobileFox>
2d or 3d
<Greys>
2D, because it's easier to make well and pretty for cheap
<lpghatguy>
Greys: so you're looking for... Fire Emblem?
<lpghatguy>
or no tactics?
<Greys>
am I?
<lpghatguy>
you train a team and do battles with your team and you progress in rank
<lpghatguy>
and you explore spaces I guess?
<Greys>
ideally I want to avoid needing hardware but sure
<Greys>
bonus points for PC games
<lpghatguy>
ah true, pretty sure all those games are DS and variants only?
<Greys>
yep
<lpghatguy>
my SO plays them all and has a blast and she's a big Pokemon fan
<MobileFox>
Oh Yeah
<MobileFox>
Fire emblem is great
<lpghatguy>
on the flipside, I'm looking for another RPG with swords and crafting and stuff
<Greys>
plus fire emblem lets you fuck your team
<lpghatguy>
I basically want Fantasy Life but on PC
<MobileFox>
And fits the description
<lpghatguy>
any suggestions there?
<MobileFox>
I want a vr husband experience
<Greys>
is there a VR realdoll game yet?
<MobileFox>
Specify
<MobileFox>
There's a vr girlfriend game
<Greys>
that's not how realdoll's work
<Greys>
a realdoll is a fake woman that you can dress and pose and fuck
<Greys>
seems like it's much less of the farming stuff, much more of the relationship grind
<MobileFox>
Oh, how's your drugged up waifu doing?
<lpghatguy>
fuck the relationship grind part of stardew valley
<lpghatguy>
"here, purple hair girl, have this purple gem, love me"
<lpghatguy>
repeat x30
<Greys>
I married her
<Greys>
it was the worst thing I've ever done to an NPC
<lpghatguy>
split between her and penney still
<lpghatguy>
I would feel bad for marrying one of them because their lives just get ruined
<Greys>
when you marry someone, all of their life goals halt and they just wander around your land regretting futures not taken
<Greys>
for Penny or hooker girl that's probably fine, they're not doing anything
<lpghatguy>
hey, Penny has aspirations
<Greys>
oh right purple isn't that
<Greys>
I married black girl
<lpghatguy>
she teaches the kids and takes them to the museum and stuff
<Greys>
who built a fucking sentient robot
<lpghatguy>
and her mom is this horrible alcoholic trailer trash ho
<lpghatguy>
I wanna get her out of that stupid trailer
<Greys>
at least she's not abusive
<Greys>
see I need to know one fact
<Greys>
if you marry penny, does she still take care of the kids
<lpghatguy>
her mom is totally abusive though
<lpghatguy>
she screams at penny and is this lazy piece of work
<Greys>
I haven't experienced that
<Greys>
fuck her
<Greys>
stay on your buss ho
<lpghatguy>
maybe it's one of the high heart events
<lpghatguy>
I made stardew valley way too stressful by trying to optimize everything
<lpghatguy>
killed the game for me :(
<Greys>
I feel like anime boobs exist in hammerspace
<Greys>
they're always twice as big as they could have been once they're out of the shirt
<Greys>
I made stardew valley way too automated
<lpghatguy>
just think of it like a compressed spring
<Greys>
my main farm makes about 90k per day and all I have to do is remember to collect stuff
<Greys>
with 600k in the bank it's hard to remember to collect stuff
<Greys>
I made my second farm a bit harder by refusing to mine for stone from an early point
<lpghatguy>
I rushed the end of the mines really early
<Greys>
I hate the combat
<lpghatguy>
I found this really amazing glitch with the hammer at one point
<lpghatguy>
I don't remember how to trigger it, but you could do the heavy slam attack once per frame with it and kill anything
<Greys>
it's not reliable, or challenging, beyond just being a spam fest at the best of times
<lpghatguy>
I used a wooden mallet all the way down to the bottom because it would one shot
<Greys>
stardew valley 2 definitely needs complex enemies
<MobileFox>
Western chinese food is incredible
<MobileFox>
It someone gains power as leftovers
<MobileFox>
somehow
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<MobileFox>
Also, in my country, TVs that dont maintain a constant max volume are illegal
<MobileFox>
Like, commercials being louder than the show wont exist
<Greys>
like, the list for SDV in my eyes is: 3x more stuff, more crops, more weapons, more enemies, more trees, more and more frequent tool upgrades, more gold sinks, more heart events where you can make decisions; complex enemies
<Greys>
not even complex behavior, it's still fine if they just run at me, but give most enemies an action they can take like the druids
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<Greys>
fire bats, should have a sprint ability
<Greys>
what if slimes of different colors could merge together to make biger slimes with effects
<darklight>
SF that thing annoys me
<darklight>
Australian ads are a bit loud sometimes
<Greys>
also I'd like to see variance systems, like "this summer is really hot" and then some crops do better or worse depending. Or "this spring is really wet", and some crops die off from the boggy soil
<lpghatguy>
I hate random events that affect my progress in a meaningful way
<Greys>
actual plants give a damn about how much water they're planeted in
<lpghatguy>
I remember playing civ 4 and that was the first thing that pissed me off
<Greys>
it wouldn't effect your progress, it would effect your decision making
<lpghatguy>
I don't think it's a mechanic that would make the game more fun
<Greys>
with 3 times as many crops there will be crops that are suitable, they're just different crops that exploit different mechanics
<lpghatguy>
that's my criteria for axing things
<lpghatguy>
for adjusting crop value, a supply/demand system would be more interesting
<lpghatguy>
the more you make a crop, the more you need to switch to another crop because you're saturating the local market or something
<Greys>
there's a mod that reduces the value of crops in response to how much you produce, so you always have to switch around
<lpghatguy>
I think that would be a more fun way to make that decision making process varied
<Greys>
I wouldn't want both seasonal modifiers and a market system, but they're both cool ideas
<MobileFox>
"if vaginas dont have balls, what do they have?"
<lpghatguy>
the system where your fences would randomly break a little was kind of upsetting too
<Greys>
also, vanilla automation mechanics, because balance is not the domain of mods
<Greys>
a vanilla automation system could be way more held back, it could have upgrades, it could have running costs, it could work really well, and the automation mods just aren't going to do that
<Greys>
building upgrade branching choices would be a great way to do that
<lpghatguy>
branching decisions always give me anxiety in games where I don't know the full breadth of my decisions
<lpghatguy>
already had that with skill choices in the game
<lpghatguy>
exponential cost increase to get upgrades instead of branching makes me happier, because then my mistakes are reversibhle
<Greys>
say they add another tier to coups, and you get to choose between a somewhat cruel cage based automated system that will produce more in the same time with less work but your eggs will always be small and minimum quality; or an extravegant luxury coup that produces large gold eggs 90% of the time, but doesn't increase capacity or rate
<Greys>
that needs a lot of tuning but you get the idea
<Greys>
one branch you make the chickens truely your slaves and get raw production for no effort, on the other side your effort gets better results
<Greys>
I think the problem with the skill choice is that there's two layers and you don't know what the next choice of what you pick will be until you get there
<Greys>
if there's a single tier of branched choice, you see the options and can weigh them; also with coups, you can make the choice repeatedly
<lpghatguy>
that's true, it feels like I might be missing out on the skills that I actually could care about even if this one doesn't matter to me
<lpghatguy>
alternatively... being able to revert these things makes the problem moot!
<lpghatguy>
like a respec potion
<MobileFox>
Greys, what's your opinion on South Park?
<Greys>
not for me
<MobileFox>
Ok
<MobileFox>
What is the max caratness of a diamond?
<Greys>
;wa 1 kg to carats
<kmath>
Greys: convert 1 kg (kilogram) to carats: 5000 carats
<Greys>
on the wan show Linus congratulated a chat person named Timmy for having a boyfriend
<darklight>
wan show?
<Greys>
darklight, 24 karats is 99.95% to 100%, so you can still alloy that
<Greys>
wan show = the linus tech tips weekly news streamcastpod
<darklight>
I can't imagine 0.05% anything will do that much
<darklight>
Mobilefox cut the buzzer out
<MobileFox>
Darklight, that's not a possibility for the market here
<MobileFox>
Plus the doors are still loud
<darklight>
You can totally do electrical mods :3
<Greys>
what you could do is just have a small not-gold ring on the inside, not plating, but just like, a third the length, a third the thickness, of something strong enough to prevent crushing
<lpghatguy>
abolish the concept of valuable rings
<MobileFox>
Greys, how could I design a quiet microwave?
<MobileFox>
So south park presidential election: dude representing trump doesnt have a plan for America and realizes this, thusly tries to throw the election by talking about how unfit he is and how turd sandwich(Hillary) is better and more fit than he, and this causes him to win more polls
<darklight>
I haven't seen the season after pc principal
<MobileFox>
You should, it's great
<MobileFox>
"i hold immense amounts of hate and contempt for each and every one of you" *audience cheers*
<MobileFox>
The level of animation today is terrible
<darklight>
Thunderbirds are supposed to be badly animated
<MobileFox>
What happened to classic puppet shows and costume suit shows like Bear in the Big Blue House and cartoons like thundercats smurfs and Scooby-Doo
<MobileFox>
There's also another pony related cartoon
<darklight>
Poneigh?
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<MobileFox>
Idk
<Greys>
thunderbirds aren't supposed to be animated at all
<MobileFox>
It's on the tv network Chrgd
<Greys>
fuck you canada
<Greys>
signs this new phone was a good purchase (it arrives monday), my podcast app just lagged the phone so hard that my irc app disconnected
<MobileFox>
Nice
<MobileFox>
Also why fuck Canada?
<MobileFox>
"DreamWorks TV"
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<MobileFox>
There's shrek
<MobileFox>
But it's not Austin Meyers
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<AndChat-694784>
Wut
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<AndChat-694784>
This is fucking cringey
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<darklight>
What is cringey?
<AndChat-694784>
DreamWorks TV
<darklight>
Greys my keyboard crashes. its very annoying
<AndChat-694784>
Fifi the cat therapist
<AndChat-694784>
She's a low key ass
<AndChat-694784>
"he's so cute" "not with his spleen removed"
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<MobileFox>
There we go
<G-Mobile>
My keyboard sometimes doesnt open and I have to force quit the HTC Input app
<MobileFox>
Are yall hyped for the emoji movie?
<MobileFox>
Jy keyboard dies and I have to restart my phone
<G-Mobile>
You should try to locate the keyboard app
<darklight>
I usually just restart the phone or temporarily switch to the default kb
<G-Mobile>
This is my phone's defailult keyboard
<darklight>
But if there are any samsung developers here, A JIHAD ON YOUR CONTEXT SENSITIVE KEYBOARD
<G-Mobile>
thats a typo but cool
<MobileFox>
This kid is going on about his dreams
<MobileFox>
And he's like that other kid
<G-Mobile>
like you yesterday
<darklight>
The keyboard goes invisible but still works
<MobileFox>
That one that just cant even complete a sentence
<darklight>
Have you ever had a dream that one day you think that you like that dream you could do anything?
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<MobileFox>
This is just a compilation of cringe
<MobileFox>
Girl at a spelling bee whose family is wrestling centric
<G-Mobile>
this sounds like a problem wrapped in a solution
<MobileFox>
Also
<MobileFox>
Boss Baby
<MobileFox>
Wtf even
<MobileFox>
Figaro pho is an Australian show
<MobileFox>
Suck a dick Australia
<MobileFox>
This guy just bougHt cigs for a quarter
<MobileFox>
He also just stole a shopping cart
<MobileFox>
darklight, answer for your sins
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<MobileFox>
Greys, ever thought how futanari shouldn't pee from they dicks because the urethra was already elsewhere?
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<Greys>
MobileFox, that sentence is composed of false assumptions
<MobileFox>
Such as?
<Greys>
assertion that futas do pee from their dicks
<Greys>
assertion that they shouldn't
<Greys>
assertion that their eurethra is elsewhere
<Greys>
how do you know they do and or do not pee from their dicks
<Greys>
how do you know that this doesn't make sense biologically
<Greys>
how do you know their eurethra is elsewhere
<MobileFox>
Because it's in that area of the vagina i forget the name of right now
<Greys>
first of all there are many phenotypes of futa
<Greys>
about half of them don't have vages
<MobileFox>
Im not in the proper mindset right now to even think logically
<MobileFox>
I tried ingesting two cups of coffee and not my eyes dont hurt
<MobileFox>
That'd
<MobileFox>
S all i accomplished
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<MobileFox>
If my phone goes from 100-80% and then i plug it in, does the battery see that as one cycle?
<Greys>
no
<Greys>
a cyce is a set of 100%
<MobileFox>
So if I do it 5 times is that one cycle?
<MobileFox>
Ayyy wolfram was on the news
<MobileFox>
They call it "high tech cheating"
<darklight>
SF but the big question, are traps gay?
<MobileFox>
Not if they are cute/wear pretty dresses
<MobileFox>
"AI is making it extremely easy for students to cheat"
<MobileFox>
Like, why are they making a non problem into a problem?
<darklight>
Also cycles are likely marketing wank
<darklight>
Many things can affect battery life
<MobileFox>
Cycles shouldn't be marketing wank, it should be the result of a batch test
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<MobileFox>
Why is it you can go shoot people and get ptsd before you're able to drink?
<MobileFox>
Like wtf America
<MobileFox>
Sinkhole in florida ate two homes
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<MobileFox>
!tell Majiir crayon pop's FM doesn't seem to fit their style, would you agree?
<Qboid>
MobileFox: I'll redirect this as soon as they are around.
<Greys>
because you need ptsd to drink
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<Glass|phone>
MobileFox: why is it you can get raped and have ptsd before you're allowed to watch porn
<MobileFox>
Wut
<MobileFox>
I'm talking about the army the fuck you on about rape for
<Glass|phone>
rape and military service are the top 2 causes for ptsd iirc
<MobileFox>
Yeah sounds about right
<MobileFox>
There's this sushi chef in new york called Masa who sandpapers the wooden tables every morning and such so that everytime you sit down, it's a new table
<Greys>
#definitelyhowthatworks
<MobileFox>
Violent Femmes drummer is doing his song with bbq utensils and a bbq
<Greys>
-a
<MobileFox>
What
<Greys>
if you take the a out, the meaning changes substantially
<MobileFox>
How so? It'd become grammatically incorrect
<Greys>
I should work out, but I'm tired and lethargic, which are both reasons I should work out, or I could go to bed
<Greys>
are you coming to a full an complete stop for a duration of at least 200ms before initiating the gear shift?
<SilverFox>
it does it from park to reverse
<Greys>
that was not inquired
<SilverFox>
so yeah, well over 200ms
<SilverFox>
like, start the car, hold brake, shift from park to reverse, clunk, then I can back up
<Greys>
your gibralter dynamis is worn out
<Greys>
dial 277-835-9991 and ask for a southward cabinet
<SilverFox>
then what
<Greys>
shh
<Greys>
do not speak of then in public
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<GlassYuri>
edo you know this when you're about to leave home and realize you should bring a file with you, so you put that file on a usb drive. then when you come back home hours later the second thing you do is find the USB drive you thought you had lost in the front panel of your pc
<Greys>
edo?
<SilverFox>
probs nipponese
<Greys>
yea but it's used as an addressment
<SilverFox>
addressing us as a group
<SilverFox>
mayhaps?
<GlassYuri>
edo was the old capital of japan
<GlassYuri>
it was then later known as tokyo until several waves of giant monsters eventually destroyed it
<SilverFox>
neat
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<Greys>
SilverFox, no, addressing edo
<Greys>
which is really confusing
<SilverFox>
im confused
<Greys>
my last message addressed you in the same way glass appears to have addressed edo
<GlassYuri>
ah you mean my rambling
<GlassYuri>
that was just "do" with an extra e for effort
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<Greys>
I wonder if convention sickness serves to improve the herd immunity of the globe by letting local herds touch eachother in the dirty way of illness
<i_rinix>
I'm thinking M = M + Ec / C^2 just isn't going to be enough to balance this generator.
<i_rinix>
Energy is measured in Joules right?
<Greys>
do you want real science or KSP science
<SilverFox>
energy is measured however you want to measure it
<i_rinix>
Greys, I'm looking for the unit defined in the mass-energy equivalence.
<SilverFox>
apparently-aw fuck my left ear is ringing- with barcodes, what's read is not the black bits, but the white bits
<Greys>
der
<Greys>
when you point a laser at alternating regions of not reflective and reflective, what do you think the camera sees?
<i_rinix>
Both....?
<Greys>
how do you see something that doesn't reflect
<i_rinix>
You see the absence of light.
<SilverFox>
it could read that there's nothing it sees
<Greys>
we're not talking about what it reads
<i_rinix>
Right, but it would see the absence of light from the areas that don't reflect.
<i_rinix>
Also, depending upon the surface upon which the barcode is printed, there may be reflections from the non-reflecting areas.
<i_rinix>
Either my math is wrong, or there will not be significant mass generated per unit of Ec.
<SilverFox>
why does the final mass not change?
<Majiir>
Precision
<Qboid>
Majiir: SilverFox left a message for you in #kspmodders [13.07.2017 21:22:51]: "SNSD is making a 2017 comeback this summer"
<Qboid>
Majiir: SilverFox left a message for you in #kspmodders [14.07.2017 09:53:44]: "Become enlightened, as have I: https://www.facebook.com/churchofChoa/"
<Qboid>
Majiir: MobileFox left a message for you in #kspmodders [15.07.2017 14:12:39]: "crayon pop's FM doesn't seem to fit their style, would you agree?"
<Majiir>
fuck
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<SilverFox>
oh shit it's the real majiir this time
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<Majiir>
It spams everywhere that I message people
<Majiir>
If you want a conversation, just do it when I'm online
<Majiir>
goddamn
<i_rinix>
Majiir, exactly
<i_rinix>
or my math is f****ed
<Majiir>
i_rinix, are you trying to compute the mass change as a result of a battery charging?
<SilverFox>
even neater
<Greys>
I look away for one second to cut my cup out of the spider cocoon of shrinkwrap it arrived in and this happens?
<i_rinix>
Majiir, no, I'm making a generator, that will supply 100% of your Ec Needs, but as it generates more Ec, it's mass increases.
<i_rinix>
And I was trying to use Mass->Energy equivalence.
<Majiir>
Mass-energy equivalence is pretty underwhelming on the mass part
<i_rinix>
I'm noticing.
<Majiir>
It's why flashlight thrusters aren't practical in the slightest
<i_rinix>
I also think that I'm using the wrong value for Ec -> Joules.
<i_rinix>
Because the more I read, the more I see that 1 Ec is closer to 1.8MJ
<Majiir>
IIRC, it's rather hard to find a reasonable value for EC, since they made it wildly different
<i_rinix>
Yeah
<i_rinix>
I'm noticing this as well
<Majiir>
There's a years-old thread where we asked them to make it joules for sanity and someone (Damion?) decided to be offended about it I think?
<Greys>
the best argument I ever saw was calculating a reasonable performance of solar panels, and then the panels vary wildly, and are totally inconsistent with the results of devices that draw power
<Majiir>
I could be misremembering. There are an awful lot of threads like that.
<i_rinix>
If'n I use the assumption that 1Ec = 1MJ I get a changing mass
<i_rinix>
But nothing significant for low power draw ships.
<Majiir>
Solar panels are tough because the output of the star is in question, but they do vary wrongly
<Greys>
theres at leats two mods that rebalance stock ec as well
<Majiir>
Ion drives are a little easier since we have mass in kg I think? and you can put a theoretical bound on the energy of one EC
<Greys>
hmm
<i_rinix>
ANyways, I gotta get ready for work.
<i_rinix>
later!
<Greys>
I don't think the issue of resolving the value of 1ec has come up since ion drives were added
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<Majiir>
It should be illegal to package junk mail in the envelopes that are normally used for checks
<SilverFox>
this sounds fair enough
<SilverFox>
I shall make such illegal in my country
<Majiir>
It should also be illegal in countries that matter
<SilverFox>
oh yeah, Majiir, we all have fictional countries that we make laws for that fit our ideals of how a country should be
<Greys>
at least we have mail
<Greys>
Mongolia doesn't have mail
<SilverFox>
how would you set your laws Majiir?
<Majiir>
Am I restricted to a planet?
<SilverFox>
like, lets say president of the equivalent of america or some shit
<SilverFox>
you're also allowed to import laws to make mass law writing easier
<Majiir>
"equivalent of America"
<Greys>
Majiir, before when you were answering my cloud question you said some things about messaging services that given my experience were ambiguous; do you mean a custom protocol?
<Majiir>
It's kind of hard to find countries that are comparable to the US
<Majiir>
Greys, there are semistandard protocols for these things
<SilverFox>
like, I imported the charter of rights from canada
<Majiir>
I assume you're talking about the message queueing that happens between the services?
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<Majiir>
SilverFox, DM and I have a country concept we call Automated Luxembourg
<Greys>
could be
<SilverFox>
this sounds interesting
<Majiir>
It's something like a caste-based technocracy
<Greys>
are there constructs
<Majiir>
whats
<Greys>
magic slaves
<Majiir>
There are not
<Majiir>
Magic is not allowed in Automated Luxembourg
<SilverFox>
oh, right I forgot to make a stance on magics
<Greys>
.... what if it's sufficiently explained
<Majiir>
Greys, there are standard message queue protocols but also totally proprietary ones. The basic idea is you have queues, and you can send messages to queues, and other things can read messages from queues. The messages are usually things like JSON.
<Majiir>
There are lots of variations and features on how you can route messages between queues or handle reliability and all that
<Majiir>
Greys, magic is strictly forbidden in Automated Luxembourg. All such things must be verifiable at compile time.
<Greys>
could there perhaps be magical cores licensed out by the government to put into sufficiently justified devices
<Greys>
SJDs
<Majiir>
Only in the outer rings
<SilverFox>
is automated luxembourg a giant roundabout?
<SilverFox>
i know you fucks love your roundabouts
<Majiir>
You see, Automated Luxembourg has several concentric tiers, and these map to the castes
<Majiir>
Fox: They're called rotaries :^)
<Greys>
what measure describes the gradient of civilization from the center out
<Greys>
roundabouts in michigan
<SilverFox>
roundabouts in the entirety of canada that matters
<Majiir>
Apparently 'rotary' is a word that reliably pins you to being from Massachusetts, or possibly New Hampshire or Vermont
<egg|zzz|egg>
grump, roundabout pings me
<Majiir>
but only in a roundabout way
<egg|zzz|egg>
!wpn
<Greys>
egg, why
<Greys>
you have so many strange pings
<SilverFox>
why
<egg|zzz|egg>
because I want to be able to jump in if people say stupid things about rounding
<SilverFox>
is this some strange math concept?
<egg|zzz|egg>
or roundoff
<egg|zzz|egg>
so I set things up so round* pings me
<SilverFox>
ah
<Majiir>
So as I was saying, about Floating-Point Luxembourg...
* egg|zzz|egg
summons the wrath of Kahan
<SilverFox>
is there triple-precision floating points?
<SilverFox>
or quad if you cant do uneven
<egg|zzz|egg>
there is a binary128 in IEEE 754
<SilverFox>
so that'd be quad iirc
<Majiir>
Triple-precision floating point only works with triple-channel RAM
<Majiir>
It also gives you better rounding when working with things like 0.33333....
<SilverFox>
neat
<egg|zzz|egg>
>_>
<SilverFox>
now, back to the real stuff
<Majiir>
Floats _are_ real numbers
<SilverFox>
yeah but you're just trying to make me seem gullible
<Majiir>
That's not at all what I'm doing
* egg|zzz|egg
stabs Majiir with a vertical (with ground plane)
<Majiir>
^ that is what I'm doing
<egg|zzz|egg>
:D
<SilverFox>
wait
<Greys>
Majiir, could I commission you to write a bunch of segments, about two minutes in length, prescribing high level bad programming advice
<Majiir>
Here's some free advice: hire all the bad people I work with
<Majiir>
Entice them away from where I work
<SilverFox>
you'll end up the size of a small startup
<Majiir>
but with more productivity
<Majiir>
DM and I are finally working on a project together
<SilverFox>
nice
<Majiir>
Combined we're doing about 90% of the company's engineering
<SilverFox>
what is this project?
<Majiir>
the thing I've been doing the last couple weeks
<Greys>
reducing the scope of nodes in your cloud, and thus increasing the number of nodes?
<Majiir>
That's part of it
<Majiir>
(a) it's not really cloud yet, (b) it might not be cloud in the future but might be, (c) the real project is we're building the SMS thing that a dozen other software platforms will use, instead of each one having their own
<SilverFox>
are you going to start the standard for SMS things?
<Majiir>
We're also going to have started and finished it before the other team (15+ engineers?) finishes their project, which is to build their PREVIOUS version being obsoleted, and they've been at it for 8 months
<SilverFox>
is this a thing you could do in 1?
<Majiir>
Yes
<SilverFox>
mmmmmmmmmmmboi
<Majiir>
We've been working on it for 2 weeks so far
<Majiir>
and mostly it's been me
<SilverFox>
so Majiir, if someone like you were to train someone like me, how long do you think it would take for me to be at a good level?
<Majiir>
Define "a good level", and define what it means to be like you
<Greys>
I'm about 70% serious about the segments thing btw
<Majiir>
Greys, elaborate on what you're looking for
<Majiir>
the 70% serious part of it anyway
<Greys>
shitty corporate advice from someone who thinks they know what they're talking about, but they're in fact profoundly wrong
<SilverFox>
like, my skill level and kinda the way I think without the stupid stubbornness, as in, this person would follow all instructions given. and a good level being well suited/definitely hireable by your standards to work on your team
<Majiir>
*My* team?
<SilverFox>
yes, someone qualified to work with you, disregarding personality
<SilverFox>
we can just say they have a personality that would fit you, im more focused on the skill part and how long you think it would take, in ballpark, to get up to speed to work at a level with someone like you
<Majiir>
From what I have seen, you don't have the mindset for engineering. So you're asking how long it would take me to train someone who doesn't have the right mindset for engineering to work on my team as an engineer.
<Majiir>
The answer is "too long"?
<Majiir>
My own standards for teammates would probably rise faster than you could learn.
<SilverFox>
interesting
<Majiir>
This isn't about being smart or willing or whatever, which are all important
<SilverFox>
then what's the most important thing?
<Majiir>
Fuck that
<Majiir>
Seriously, fuck "most important"
<SilverFox>
okay
<Majiir>
It's all important
<SilverFox>
fair
<Majiir>
You've taken yourself and said "okay, imagine me but without flaws X Y Z"
<Majiir>
I can do that
<Majiir>
but you forgot about flaws A B C, and I'm saying hey, those are key too
<SilverFox>
fair enough
<Majiir>
You have a lot of enthusiasm and interest so that's a huge plug
<Majiir>
plus*
<Majiir>
IMO, the biggest thing that would be difficult with hypothetical WillingToLearnFox would be that you don't have a sense for what the actual goal is
<Majiir>
Maybe that's something you'd pick up from experience, I dunno
<Majiir>
Building software is never about "figure out how to make the computer do the thing"
<Majiir>
Everyone knows how to make the computer do what we want, that's the easy part
<SilverFox>
right
<Majiir>
The harder part is figuring out how to build the software so it ticks 900 other boxes
<SilverFox>
like compatability and cross-platform and efficiency?
<Majiir>
Less so
<SilverFox>
could you give some examples of the boxes?
<Greys>
fox is very resistent to goals
<Majiir>
It needs to be easy to understand, easy to modify, easy to install, easy to configure, easy to run, easy to interact with, easy to figure out WTF it means when it logs something like "error has been occurred in main loop" and how that differs from "packet processing exception", easy to explain to the product team and customer support team, easy to pronounce,
<Majiir>
And you have to do all this while getting it done faster than it should really take, because nobody actually wants top-quality software even if they claim they do.
<Majiir>
A statement that resonates with me a lot is: It's easy to build a bridge that stands. Anyone can do this. It is very, very hard to build a bridge that *barely* stands.
<Majiir>
It's a lot about building software that barely holds up but in fact DOES hold up and will definitely hold up long into the future
<Majiir>
It's about picking what things to fuck up so you can focus on the things you really can't get wrong
<Majiir>
That's all the stuff I don't think you'd be equipped to handle
<SilverFox>
oh, by "building a bridge that stands" this is a reference to over-engineering?
<Majiir>
No
<SilverFox>
okay then im lost on that analogy
<Majiir>
It's a reference to building an object that you can walk across
<Majiir>
It's easy to build a bridge that holds up
<SilverFox>
right
<Majiir>
Just like, build it out of solid steel or something
<Majiir>
all the way across
<SilverFox>
right
<Majiir>
It's a lot harder to build the fancy suspension bridge that weighs 0.1% as much
<Greys>
easy to pronounce?
<Greys>
well fuck
<SilverFox>
Greys, helps with marketing me thinks
<Majiir>
No
<Majiir>
It's not about marketing at all
<Majiir>
We're talking about like internal component names
<Majiir>
We don't give a shit about our marketing terms, but it does matter that when someone says "ah fuck, getting errors in [X]" that everyone immediately knows what X is
<SilverFox>
right
<Majiir>
When you have five services that all have roughly the same name, it becomes a problem
<Greys>
3 points to whoever can tell me what WHMCS stands for
<Majiir>
Web Host Manager Control S.......ystem?
<Majiir>
I have run WHMCS before
<SilverFox>
world health management control system
<Greys>
you have? cool
<Greys>
I'm going to not badger you about anything because I really don't care
<Majiir>
I don't remember much about WHMCS anyway
<Majiir>
Oh wait
<Greys>
and it's probably changed
<Majiir>
It was a payment/customer management thing I think?
<Greys>
it's basically the software to run a datacenter
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<Majiir>
Fox, to make it a little more concrete
<Majiir>
What's the "most important" (ha) thing about some code?
<Majiir>
Like what quality do you need to maximize
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<SilverFox>
uhmmm
<Majiir>
or minimize
<SilverFox>
readability
<SilverFox>
and conciseness
<Majiir>
Readability is the answer
<Majiir>
Conciseness is very much not
<Majiir>
Conciseness is frequently the enemy of readability
<SilverFox>
you can write shit code, but its useless if you cant understand it
<SilverFox>
you can do a lot with shit code that's thought out at least and has comments on it saying how they got through the process and what everything represents
<Majiir>
ehhhh
<Majiir>
That's not readable code though
<Majiir>
That's readable English
<SilverFox>
like, for example, in KWS we have lots of different theories and concepts of meteorology that come into play, and we dont fully understand each and every concept, but we still implement the maths, and if we can describe the concepts of the methods and the math and units behind it, we can see what we're working with: "Oh, this is for getting the humidity of the air coming into the area" or "ah, this is for calculating the air resistence/backpressur
<SilverFox>
e the incoming winds will have to deal with" whereas if that was uncommented, you'd be like "the fuck is this variable for?"
<Greys>
if you had fully commented brainfuck, that wouldn't help much
<SilverFox>
this is KWS currently, where the units and such aren't fully outlined, so we have mismatches because the math was done wrong
<SilverFox>
but you couldn't see that right from the start
<Majiir>
Fox, I wouldn't really call KWS readable
<Greys>
I feel like you've succeeded in disproving your position
<SilverFox>
neither would I
<Majiir>
Very readable code has no comments
<Majiir>
You just read the code
<Majiir>
and it seems obvious
<Greys>
comments are still good
<Majiir>
Less so than you'd think
<SilverFox>
I can see your point
<SilverFox>
especially if working with people who you know know the same things you do
<Majiir>
That's not really what it is
<Greys>
never assume anyone knows anything
<Majiir>
Good, readable code doesn't require special knowledge
<SilverFox>
fair enough
<SilverFox>
I just realized my error
<SilverFox>
was thinking about more advanced coding stuff and then realized afterwards that the code for optimizations probably is rarely "well readable"
<SilverFox>
and those weird tricks and shit you can do
<Majiir>
I've made code faster by just deleting all the stuff that tries to make it go fast
<SilverFox>
usually the more code = slower she'll go
<Greys>
not really
<Greys>
the code you write isn't the code that runs
<Majiir>
The two things I find that kill performance the most are (1) waiting, and (2) looping
<Majiir>
Most software can be made waaaay faster by having other work be done while something else is waiting (i.e. concurrency)
<Majiir>
and for (2) people do a lot of work that they don't have to and end up looping way too much
<Greys>
I like loops
<Greys>
they make me feel useful
<SilverFox>
oh right, speaking of waiting, I was trying to think, on and off, how to do multi-threading for my bot with it's checking of timing related things, like if someone tells it to "tell me X in 5 hours" it has to do so, at the 5 hour mark, so I'd need to run another thread/whatever that runs a stopwatch/timer at a fixed interval and can check for the notifications and such and then that will feed back to the main program to relay it
<Majiir>
Nah
<Majiir>
You only need one thread
<Majiir>
Imagine you're cooking breakfast
<SilverFox>
okay
<Greys>
get the fire extinguisher
<Majiir>
You need to make toast, fry eggs, cut some fruit and pour some juice.
<SilverFox>
right, and bacon
<SilverFox>
dont forget the bacon
egg|zzz|egg is now known as egg|nomz|egg
<Majiir>
Making toast takes 4 minutes, frying eggs takes 10 minutes, cutting fruit takes 2 minutes and pouring juice takes 1 minute.
<Majiir>
So breakfast takes 17 minutes to make, right?
<SilverFox>
no
<Majiir>
Most software is written this way
<SilverFox>
that is gross
<Greys>
what eggs do you have that take 10 minutes to fry
<SilverFox>
things would be cold
<Majiir>
It's an example
<Greys>
mine are like 3 minutes
<Majiir>
These are very cold eggs
<Greys>
so I'm actually a good example for this; I have one pan
<SilverFox>
which is why I cook everything at the proper timing for everything to be done at approx the same time
<Greys>
I can't do much concurrently
<Majiir>
Shhhhhh and just listen
<Majiir>
You have two main ways to speed this up
<Majiir>
One is to start doing this concurrently
<Greys>
I can start the eggs when what's in the pan will be finished at the same time as the eggs, if there's space, but that's it
<Majiir>
You start frying the eggs, then you start the toast, then you chop the fruit, pour the juice, take out the toast and butter it, then put the eggs on the plate
<Majiir>
Or put another way: You start EVERYTHING at the same time
<Majiir>
This is concurrency
<Majiir>
You can't start the eggs and toast at EXACTLY the same time, of course
<Majiir>
You have to pick, but it doesn't really matter, since starting them takes so little time anyway
<Majiir>
The second way to speed things up is getting a second cook to help you.
<Majiir>
This is parallelism, i.e. multithreading
<Majiir>
With parallelism, you truly can start the eggs and toast at the same time
<Greys>
you set up a task system, and spin off a task that has to wait until dueTime, then it sleeps until it needs to go off
<Majiir>
Most people think they need parallelism when they actually need concurrency
<Majiir>
Node.js lets you write incredibly fast web servers, and it uses *ONE THREAD*.
<Majiir>
You don't need multithreading for 99.9999% of things that you might think you do.
<SilverFox>
what about things like KWS?
<Greys>
both
<Majiir>
I'd argue concurrency is still more important
<Greys>
parallelism will help you process, but you're probably spending a lot of time waiting
<Majiir>
The problem with KWS is you're processing too much
<Majiir>
You don't need parallelism, you need smarter computation
<SilverFox>
that aside, there's still a *fuck-ton* of cells to iterate over
<Majiir>
See above
<Greys>
it's likely not necessary for you to be proccessing as much about individual cells
<SilverFox>
~c 10 * (10^4) + 2
<FoxBot9000>
SilverFox, 100002.0
<SilverFox>
~c 10 * (6^4) + 2
<FoxBot9000>
SilverFox, 12962.0
<Greys>
;c 10e4+2
<kmath>
Greys: 100002.0
<SilverFox>
I dont think that's right
<SilverFox>
~c 10 * (4^5) + 2
<FoxBot9000>
SilverFox, 10242.0
<SilverFox>
~c 10 * (5^4) + 2
<FoxBot9000>
SilverFox, 6252.0
<SilverFox>
Majiir the fuck is the equation for geogrid
<Majiir>
10*4^n+2
<SilverFox>
cool thanks
<SilverFox>
so with real solar system we'd need 10x the accuracy for about grid level 6
<SilverFox>
so whatever level that equates to
<Majiir>
You're still trying to bruteforce instead of thinking smart
<Majiir>
Weather simulation isn't easy but you're godawful at figuring out what you *don't* need
<Majiir>
You know what's hard? raytracing
<Majiir>
Even with tons of optimization, raytracing a scene takes a TON of computation
<Majiir>
You know how video games get around this? They don't even try
<Greys>
this is why ambient occlusion exists
<Greys>
it looks a lot like raytracing
<Majiir>
They just use an entirely different paradigm for rendering stuff, because they don't NEED the fidelity of raytracing
<Majiir>
You're making a mod for a game. You just need something that *looks* right, not something that will actually predict weather patterns.
<SilverFox>
oh I see what you're getting at
<Greys>
fewer cells
<Majiir>
Not necessarily fewer
<Majiir>
I'd probably do many more cells
<Majiir>
but I wouldn't simulate tiny cells on the opposite side of the planet
<Majiir>
or on planets that are millions of kilometers away
<SilverFox>
how would you do that?
<SilverFox>
how do you avoid the thing of getting data from neighboring cells?
<Greys>
what if we do a multirez situation
<SilverFox>
you mean like, low rez back, high res near player?
<Greys>
more resolution for detailed systems, less resolution for boring shit like temperature
<SilverFox>
ehhhhh, depends on how much realism you want to throw out
<SilverFox>
it could definitely work
<SilverFox>
but like, temperature is a very core part of weather patterns
<Greys>
wow, darksky's temp map for the US today is pretty apocalyptic looking https://darksky.net/
<SilverFox>
oh yeah palm springs is at 115 apparently
<Greys>
anyway, huge swaths of this map are similar in color; especially the oceans
<Majiir>
I don't think you get it Fox
<Majiir>
Lighting is important for graphics
<Greys>
if you just had a low resolution map of ocean atmospheric temperatures, you'd be fine and cut out a huge chunk of insignificant detail cells
<Majiir>
How would you do accurate lighting if you only render what you're looking at?
<Majiir>
If you're in a room, you have to render the wall BEHIND you too, because it reflects light!
<Majiir>
Games don't do this, they only render what's in your cone of vision. Yet somehow they get lighting to look pretty good.
<Majiir>
Greys has the right idea
<Majiir>
More detail around places with irregularities, more detail around places where you're observing,
<Greys>
well, lighting usually considers meshes you can't see
<SilverFox>
Majiir, I also wanted something which I could put real world values into and it'd work and be able to give you a pretty sometimes accurate response
<Majiir>
I'd also add that you can lengthen the timestep a lot in some places
<Majiir>
SilverFox, that's an impossible goal
<Majiir>
Even real weather scientists haven't figured that one out
<Greys>
if you're standing in a doorway looking out and there's a light behind you, most games will draw the shadow of the doorway
<SilverFox>
I mean, im comparing accurate to what the meteorologists put out
<Greys>
but a lot of the time if there's a fixed lamp then no lighting occurs at all
<SilverFox>
so if they say it's gonna rain, mine should too
<Greys>
all the illumination of the light is baked into the textures, and then shadows are generated for moving objects
<SilverFox>
if it says that its snowing in the sahara, then something's really wrong
<Majiir>
SilverFox, that's just not doable for a game
<Majiir>
Realtime weather prediction like that doesn't exist
<Greys>
you'll need a supercomputer
<Greys>
and 50 years of weather data to pump into it
<SilverFox>
yes, it is rather ambitious
<Majiir>
No, it's stupid
<Greys>
stupidity is ambition without context
<Majiir>
It's ambitious the same way it's ambitious for me to say "I'm a runner, and I'm training to run from here to Mars"
<Greys>
you might have the ambition to grow up to be a bear, but you can't do that
<Majiir>
I might, MIGHT be able to get myself to Mars, but I sure as hell won't do it by running there, and simply training to be a better runner will not get me anywhere near Mars
<Majiir>
In fact, training to run long distances will probably hurt my chances of getting to Mars compared to most other things I could be doing
<Majiir>
This is not ambitious, it is fucking stupid.
<Greys>
I wonder how many calories it would take to jog on a hamster wheel attached to a generator to power an ion drive
<Greys>
to get to mars
<SilverFox>
a lot
<SilverFox>
if you can define how many calories you can burn in one rotation of the wheel, that'll help
<SilverFox>
also the speed of rotation
<Majiir>
More important is the energy conversion ratio
<Greys>
just for shits and giggles, let's say one rotation of the wheel gets you to mars
<SilverFox>
the fuuuuck
<Majiir>
Yeah see that's why it's irrelevant
<Greys>
es verrry big wheel mr nasa
<Majiir>
You need the ratio of joules eaten : joules captured in the electric system
<Majiir>
otherwise it could just be a wheel with a lot of resistance
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<SilverFox>
Majiir, what do you think of the song Expect, or 기대해?
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<SilverFox>
that person was from canada as well
<SilverFox>
cant ping em
<Majiir>
I like that song
<SilverFox>
it's pretty catchy
<SilverFox>
there have been a lot of comebacks released lately, any favourites on your end?
<Majiir>
There are always comebacks released recently
<Majiir>
Nothing really stands out atm
<SilverFox>
what about that blackpink one?
<Majiir>
Didn't really like Blackpink's
<Majiir>
WJSN's was okay, RV's was okay,
<SilverFox>
oh yeah WJSN had another one just within the past week
<Majiir>
What else has there been?
<SilverFox>
mamamoo had 2
<Majiir>
Those were meh
<SilverFox>
I agree
<SilverFox>
there was Honey Bee by a bunch of girls
<SilverFox>
like Luna and hyori or something
<SilverFox>
Apink had Five
<SilverFox>
as in, the song was titled "Five"
<Majiir>
dude
<Majiir>
Honey Bee was ages ago
<SilverFox>
really?
<SilverFox>
like, over a month?
<SilverFox>
Hyolin and Kisum had the song Fruity
<SilverFox>
Limesoda had Z Z Z
<Majiir>
yeah dude Honey Bee was January
<SilverFox>
EXID had night rather than day, but that was last month iirc
<SilverFox>
red velvet had Red Flavour, probably also around exid's time
<Majiir>
wow no
<Majiir>
Red Flavor was like last week
<SilverFox>
really?
<Majiir>
how are you so wrong about all this stuff
<SilverFox>
idk, I dont date it, I just add it to my list
<SilverFox>
there's so much
<SilverFox>
I just see a thing, star it on my list and then move on
<SilverFox>
oh there was that one by Jessi
<SilverFox>
that was rather recent
<Greys>
you guys making obscure game grump references while I'm hypothesizing modifications to my mic boom?
<SilverFox>
i cant even make a game grumps reference
<Qboid>
SilverFox: I'll redirect this as soon as they are around.
<Greys>
but that guy has made it his job to look like he's full of shit and not explain how he isn't full of shit for five times longer than it takes to just do a good job
<Greys>
do you remember that feeling you had when you first heard/saw EVE Online, before you realized how the game mechanics work, where you thought it was FreeSpace but you could fly bigger and bigger ships and be in huge fleet operations
<Greys>
and then it turned out to be spreadsheets the point and click adventure
<SilverFox>
that's great and all but I was hoping you wouldnt have been so narrow sited just because of who did the video and would have just looked up the product and then closed the video if you didnt like him
<SilverFox>
also, you must've sucked at EVE
<SilverFox>
my time was fun
<Greys>
yea but it wasn't anything like FreeSpace
<SilverFox>
got into a group, we all sat in base and spun our ships
<SilverFox>
every 1000 spins got you a basic ship
<Greys>
player involvement is barely existent once the action has been dictated
<Greys>
Astrokill looks to be what I thought EVE was going to be before I played EVE
<SilverFox>
naw, misogyny that affects people's mindsets which translates into porn
<darklight>
I guess I don't follow?
<SilverFox>
society says a thing should be a certain way, but that certain way really limits porn's creativity
<SilverFox>
"this is how it is and that's that" sort of thing
<Greys>
Witch Hunt is a great Manhwa, but the basic premise is that there's this insignificant boy who'se a dick but then it turns out the girls he's a dick to are the embodied concepts of human emotion in an centuries long war to not be literally consumed by their own inner demons
<Greys>
about half way through they realize misogyny boy isn't interesting and then ignore him for a while
<Greys>
but still the protagonist, the viewer insert character, is an asshole to women
<SilverFox>
now why is he an asshole though
<SilverFox>
just cause
<SilverFox>
?
<Greys>
yep
<SilverFox>
"you're a woman so you're lesser than me" ?
<Greys>
you could argue he's a dick because his mom was a klepto manipulator and his dad doesn't like him because she made him steal things all the time
<Greys>
this doesn't matter and they give up on the character arch