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<SilverFox> Greys, what game which is an fps did you say you have a secret spot in a cabin in which you set up a turret and hide in a corner and the setup works like, every time?
<SilverFox> because said game was a charity event, and the quirk of the charity event was that everyone playing would be naked, and I was got there because we go stuck on a roadtrip through this town and there's an apartment building my dad used to live in and it had a very weird setup and we got stuck in it and ended up participating in this event. Said event is like.. CS:GO, but different, it's like all the fps combined.
<SilverFox> you had a turret setup and I just rushed into that fuckin shed you were in and knifed you and you died, and then I woke up with the feeling of going onto irc to tell you "suck it"
<SilverFox> its a really neat game, im going back in
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<G-Mobile> Ugh
<G-Mobile> They did the thing
<G-Mobile> Fuck you ups
<G-Mobile> I didnt not pay amazon to pay you to deliver my package to the post office.
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<Hyratel_> Greys, what do you mean 'judge this'? boob plate, no shoulder protection, no gambeson, no undertunic, her feet are broken, hair's in her face
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<darklight> SF I like the onion
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<darklight> https://youtu.be/Q4PC8Luqiws its pretty based
<kmath> YouTube - Overcome Stress By Visualizing It As A Greedy, Hook-Nosed Race Of Creatures
<kmath> YouTube - AYAYA
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<SilverFox> TheKosmonaut, I just saw this character that looked exactly like ni, but the difference was that the beginning of each stroke was kinda hooked, so the beginning was lifted in a sort of way. Is this another character entirely, or just handwriting?
<lpghatguy> hot take: Time is the best album by ELO, hands-down
<kmath> YouTube - ELO - Ticket To The Moon
<SilverFox> OCHINCHI
<lpghatguy> darklight: Eldorado is also a pretty good album
<lpghatguy> it's probably like Time > Eldorado > Out of the Blue?
<kmath> YouTube - The Road To El Dorado - THE TRAIL WE BLAZE (Movie Version)
<darklight> I actually don't listen to elo, I think it was just in one of the pony anthologies :P
<lpghatguy> lool
<darklight> Sf to decribe that, imagine one hour of youtube poops
<SilverFox> sounds great
<lpghatguy> man, are those still a thing?
<SilverFox> I just watched half hour of an equivalent
<lpghatguy> I thought they died in like 2007
<SilverFox> lpghatguy, naw, it's mostly dank meme compilations
<lpghatguy> those are great
<kmath> YouTube - 30 minutes of amazingly dank anime memes!
<lpghatguy> this is horrible
<lpghatguy> why did you do this to me
<SilverFox> mate you feel bad for yourself? I've watched all of them
<SilverFox> GET ON MY LEVEL
<lpghatguy> did your rift arrive yet
<SilverFox> monday
<lpghatguy> ayy
<SilverFox> 3 more days
<lpghatguy> I'd be playing right now but my asthma has been flaring up too badly these past couple days
<SilverFox> got the displayport hdmi adapter today tho
<SilverFox> get an inhaler attachement for the rift
<darklight> That is because sf is a normie
<SilverFox> >normie
<SilverFox> >sitting here in pepe pose
<SilverFox> mkay
<lpghatguy> I figured out how to use my inhaler with the rift on, but it doesn't help enough to stay active
<darklight> Maybe poop was a bit unfair. Just a whole heap of clips like this https://youtu.be/wKaaszkJxBg - they'll take audio from somewhere else and either animate it or use clips
<kmath> YouTube - Discord and Spike (Rick and Morty)
<darklight> SF you are a normie
<SilverFox> REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
<darklight> Someone linked me this, you are like the guy in the opening video https://youtu.be/f1LYoq6ZSqY
<kmath> YouTube - You laugh you lose #56 - Try not to laugh challenge Dank Memes July 2017
<kmath> YouTube - So This is Basically Legend of Zelda
<SilverFox> lpghatguy, have you seen Lone Echo?
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<lpghatguy> SilverFox: it was a purple link, dunno
<SilverFox> purple link?
<kmath> YouTube - Lone Echo First Impression Oculus Rift + Touch The Best VR Adventure Game I've ever played FullHD
<kmath> YouTube - Lone Echo Oculus Rift + Touch Complete Walkthrough Part 1 The Best VR Game I've ever played FullHD
<SilverFox> that one
<lpghatguy> oh right, I found that when I was looking for echo arena
<SilverFox> this game looks fuckin amazing to me
<SilverFox> its gorgeous for one
<SilverFox> actually has more than 1hr gameplay for two
<lpghatguy> that's a big deal
<lpghatguy> looks like echo arena is free for some reason?
<lpghatguy> guess I'm going to try playing vertigo simulator again tonight
<SilverFox> wait it's free?
<SilverFox> like on steam?
<SilverFox> I dont see it on steam, sad
<lpghatguy> oculus store
<SilverFox> do I need the rift to download that or whatevs?
<lpghatguy> nah
<lpghatguy> don't think it's useful until you have the hardware though
<lpghatguy> you get a bunch of free games when you activate your rift + touch controllers, like Robo Recall ( my favorite)
<SilverFox> right, but i dont know how long echo arena will be free
<lpghatguy> you won't get it for free without your hardware
<SilverFox> REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
<SilverFox> i dont get it for 3 days
<SilverFox> 2 actually
<SilverFox> it comes on monday
<SilverFox> today is saturday
<SilverFox> I can at least purchase the games by signing into my oculus account
<SilverFox> so its like I preordered them
<SilverFox> oh shit, lone echo is on the oculus store
<SilverFox> "this game will only run on windows 10" REEEEEEE
<SilverFox> why is windows 10 a requirement?
<SilverFox> lpghatguy, have you played star trek yet?
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<darklight> "Woman convicted of husband's murder after parrot witness repeats 'don't shoot'"
<SilverFox> even birds are snitchin nowadays
<SilverFox> what a shameful society we live in
<Hyratel_> no. bad.
<G-Mobile> darklight: do you know of any ... Fuck youvkryboard
<darklight> sf, not the onion, but apparently it wasn't used in the trial
<darklight> Headlines gonna headline
<G-Mobile> Gboard keeps crashing, it stipp functions, but doesnt render new frames
<darklight> Greys tell me about it
<darklight> It was good. was.
<G-Mobile> So darklight, do you know of any 55ish gallon barrela, that are plastic, and have mostly straight walls
<G-Mobile> The normap style is slightly curved from top to bottom
<darklight> Switch to samsung keyboard or restart your phone
<G-Mobile> Fuck samsung
<darklight> I know
<G-Mobile> So, barrel
<darklight> But its what I do now that googles competence levels have hit.. (your most disliked politician here) levels
<G-Mobile> Btw you can just force stop it
<G-Mobile> Rebooting is almost never required
* VITAS pops up behind G-Mobile and makes faces
<darklight> Plastic ones? no. Also I assume you mean 44 gallon, which we call 205L :P
<G-Mobile> No such thing
<G-Mobile> 35, 55
<darklight> It used to crash amd fix itself, now it doesn't even do that...
<darklight> ;wa 205L to gallons
<kmath> darklight: convert 205 L (liters) to gallons: 54.16 gallons
<darklight> Ah
<G-Mobile> I won!
<darklight> Not sure where I got 44 from
<G-Mobile> NZ
<darklight> ;wa 205L to imperial gallons
<kmath> darklight: convert 205 L (liters) to UK gallons: 45.09 UK gal (UK gallons)
<VITAS> darklighthow would you go about finding similar sets of values to one you have?
<darklight> Greys stop using shitty units
<VITAS> ive mesurements of intensety at different wavelength
<darklight> VITAS similar sets of values?
<VITAS> and thos mesurements have to be compared to other mesurements in different enviroments
<VITAS> but not neccesarily the exact same wavelentgh
<G-Mobile> Its not a unit it's a unit
<darklight> Err, I would bin and normalise, than a simple difference for the bins?
<VITAS> so e.g.: 350nm 0.0323434 253nm 0.023454
<darklight> Not sure what you are trying to measure/match
<G-Mobile> 55 gallon has as much to do with 55 gallons as to as a the population of an ant farm in decimal
<VITAS> and i want to look in a pool of similar datasets for the ones that match within a threshhold
<G-Mobile> They're neither 55 gallons nor 205L, but thats it's name
<VITAS> in other words: ive a line chart and i want to check other line charts if theyre similar
<G-Mobile> You should know better than dispute marketing terminology with me
<darklight> Perhaps bin the sets (like group every measurement in a range of 10nm or whatever), and get an average reading for that wavelength bin, then do a absolute difference for each set?
<darklight> My brain is kinda farting as I don't understand the input format
<VITAS> what this is about: ive to write a software for fluorocesent spectrometry
<darklight> But I assume its a good first step?
<darklight> I know you where in some open spectrometer project :P
<VITAS> where people measure refelctiveness of stuff at different wavelength
<VITAS> and want to comapre their mesurements to find other datasets that are "like" theirs
<darklight> Thats a ballpark way I can think of anyway
<VITAS> yes i was thinking to norm them somehow by calculating fixed wavelength
<VITAS> but then the first problem is: how doi i interpolate best?
<G-Mobile> I do know that there are at least four kinds of HDPE 55gal. drums with two profiles and two head styles, as well as some minor variance in heads, but I need one thats mostly straight walled
<VITAS> e.g. just average between points
<G-Mobile> Straight enough to run a piano hinge most of the length
<darklight> The other way is to generate some type of curve and do an area difference (or rule out curves that have datapoints too far away from the set)
<VITAS> or if the wavelenth is closer to one point it makes up more % of the average?
<darklight> Imma draw for a sec
<VITAS> so e.g. ive 350nm and 500nm and i want to calc 400nm
<VITAS> then its closer to 350nm
<VITAS> so it should play alarger role
<VITAS> in calculating the average
<VITAS> and then theres trajectory
<G-Mobile> The 35gal drum would probably be straight enough, but its dimmensions are too small
<VITAS> so its like beziere curves
<VITAS> if it has a steep parable the outcome should be different
<darklight> Give me a sec to draw :P
<VITAS> ok
<G-Mobile> Hah
<G-Mobile> A 210L might be ideap
<VITAS> in other news: scott made a video about installing some ksp mod im always excited to see stuff i made on popular videos (in this case he was dl something from spacedock but sadly didnt mention that it was spacedock)
<VITAS> a world of complicated forumlar :/
<darklight> The most horrible graph ever http://godarklight.info.tm/binning.png
<darklight> Basically binning means you divide it up into sections and just average it out in that section
<darklight> Do you have a complete waveform?
<VITAS> sec ill find something
<darklight> There's two other ways
<SilverFox> fuck yeah nacho time
<VITAS> so what i get is text files with a table
<VITAS> y axis is light in nm
<darklight> If you have fixed x axis points, I'd do this way: http://godarklight.info.tm/areadiff.png
<VITAS> and x axis is intensety as float
<darklight> Oh
<VITAS> both axis dont come in fixed intervals
<darklight> Are they "noisy"?
<G-Mobile> The obvious example of binning is processors, intel & etc make one die, and statistically they comebout better or worse, the better ones get clocked higher and have different features added or removed, then are sold at varying pricepoints
<VITAS> so a datapoint can be 354nm in one textfile
<darklight> Like if you do a second scan, will it be similar?
<VITAS> and 357nm in another
<VITAS> so i think ive to first calculate fixed intervals for all of them
<VITAS> like 350nm
<G-Mobile> AMD used to have 3 core processors, which were 4 core dies where 1 processor didnt function well enough so they turned it off
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<VITAS> those files are provided by different people
<VITAS> for different experiments
<VITAS> but what they want is to find similar experiments
<darklight> I'd be doing area difference, it's not hard to work out area between y=x*0.01+5 and y=x*0.03 + 4.5
<G-Mobile> Some models it was possibpe to reactivate the fourth core and if you were lucky it'd be acceptibpe
<VITAS> like if they mesured something at the upper part of an river they want to check if someone checked the lower part and if its similar
<VITAS> hmm interresting
<darklight> To get those straight lines for calculating, it's just xconstant=y2-y1/distance + y1
<VITAS> another problem would be: what similareties are those people looking for?
<VITAS> overall average ?
<VITAS> individual points?
<darklight> Just basic calculus
<VITAS> beginning or end?
<G-Mobile> oh hey, without touchpal my bluetooth keyboard doesn't make everything flicker anymore
<darklight> I get a bit mathy for a sec
<VITAS> please do
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<VITAS> what i would have done is do avg(mesurement1) -threashhold < avg(mesurement2) AND avg(mesurement1) +threashhold > avg(mesurement2)
<VITAS> mesurement 1 and 2 complete experiments
<VITAS> or i would have done a check on each wavelength
<VITAS> like is there another 350nm mesurement that is within a certain range?
<VITAS> and if its positive for all comapirsons ive a winner
<G-Mobile> what do you think about 1x 2500VA 1800W rackmount UPS, each running 4 lead acid batteries; unknown condition, 50$
<G-Mobile> 2x*
<G-Mobile> compaq branded
<SilverFox> that sounds pretty good
<G-Mobile> what if I say there's apparent fluid damage to the top of one of the units
<SilverFox> ooooh
<G-Mobile> could be battery acid damage, could be water deposits
<SilverFox> can you contact the seller to figure it out?
<G-Mobile> it's closer to detroit, and they got it from a dead friend, so even if they knew I can't trust any sort of truth
<SilverFox> itd suck to waste 50$
<SilverFox> but if you could repair it for cheap it'd be worth it
<darklight> VITAS: does this make sense? http://godarklight.info.tm/calculus.png
<darklight> (The lines aren't really drawn to scale, but you can verify the math on wolphram alpha or maybe google :P)
<G-Mobile> I might be able to trade in the 8 lead acid batteries for some decent core deposits
<darklight> The last step is calculating area, one sec :P
<VITAS> yes i got that :)
<SilverFox> G-Mobile, how much water damage is there?
<G-Mobile> unclear, but it does look like something was on top of it and had an issue, not that it had an isue itself
<SilverFox> well, do they specify if it's still working?
<VITAS> i think ive to test different approaches
<G-Mobile> yea the neighborhood shady scrapyard accepts batteries, I'd have to call to get a guess
<G-Mobile> SilverFox: read the original statement
<SilverFox> unknown condition, mkay
<SilverFox> are you able to scrap it for parts if it doesnt work fully?
<SilverFox> other than batteries
<G-Mobile> not for much
<G-Mobile> there'll be some big coils, but small amounts of anything are worth little
<G-Mobile> I know this scrap yard for example won't buy less than 200lbs of steel
<darklight> VITAS: Still with me? http://godarklight.info.tm/calc2.png :P
<darklight> (I've done the area for the left intersection)
<darklight> Math is the same for the right
<darklight> One last thing to draw is calculating without the intersection, which is much easier
<SilverFox> G-Mobile, how much do you *think* the batteries could go for?
<darklight> Think my math is right http://godarklight.info.tm/calc3.png
<darklight> Oh derp
<darklight> Screwed up there bigtime
<VITAS> i know what youre trying to explain :)
<VITAS> thanks for the nice drawiongs
<darklight> Try again for calc3
<darklight> That is slightly more sane :P
<VITAS> ok...
<VITAS> but i allready got it on your first drawing :)
<darklight> It's just an approach, if your metric is "distance between the lines at a minimum" then it's pretty easy to solve
<darklight> As for bezier curves? Fuck that shit :3
* VITAS fucks off to watch some videos because he remembered that its weekend :D
<VITAS> thx for the extensive explanation
<darklight> Be careful though, math and I don't really mix
<darklight> I'm sure egg will yell at me for one of those 3 pics :P
<darklight> You might even find you don't need to do calculus, the easy way is to use the slope formulas and calculate the difference at every single nm and spit that out as a number :P
<darklight> Same type of thing, but much easier to program
<SilverFox> a special gift from LTT
<SilverFox> "Girl, 5, fined L150 by Tower Hamlets Council for running a lemonade stand" A HEALTHY DOSE OF C A P I T A L I S M
<SilverFox> "In Japan, more paper is used to print Manga than toilet paper"
<lpghatguy> I wonder how much overlap there is
<SilverFox> overlap in what?
<lpghatguy> manga and toilet paper
<lpghatguy> how much manga is used as toilet paper and how much manga is printed on toilet paper
<SilverFox> I'd say no manga is printed on toilet paper
<SilverFox> G-Mobile, how many shit manga you come across?
<lpghatguy> how about drawn on toilet paper
<SilverFox> none, toilet paper is literally shit
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<lpghatguy> quick, who wants to be the beneficiary to my life insurance
<lpghatguy> I don't think I'm long for this world
<SilverFox> how much money is it?
<Supernovy> that's just pinning someone with motive
<Supernovy> give it to someone who won't have means or opportunity
<SilverFox> yeah but I never leave my house
<SilverFox> all I have to do is wait and I get money
<lpghatguy> I dunno, a few hundred thousand dollars
<SilverFox> sounds great
<SilverFox> sign me up fam
<SilverFox> could finally BUY something
<lpghatguy> you have poor taste in entertainment, I don't know
<SilverFox> instead of renting it
<lpghatguy> and you fail the test
<SilverFox> what, I fail because Im thinking about securing a place to live?
<SilverFox> would you rather I spend it on my trip to korea?
<SilverFox> however, I'd probably put it in a savings account and live off interest
<lpghatguy> this is a better use of the money
<lpghatguy> but the correct answer is "no don't die"
<SilverFox> why the fuck would I say that
<SilverFox> everyone's gonna die
<SilverFox> me saying "no dont die' wont do shit
<SilverFox> you'll die either way
<SilverFox> so the productive thinking method is planning what to do in the case of death
<lpghatguy> I could be having a padme moment here
<lpghatguy> and you're just like "ooba ooba"
<G-Mobile> The phone optimized some more things
<SilverFox> did it really?
<SilverFox> or is it just software garbage?
<G-Mobile> 64%, estimated 19 hours remaining
<SilverFox> what if the optimization software can do that
<SilverFox> just display some inaccurate time
<SilverFox> you're gonna have to drain it to 0 to test this
<G-Mobile> My old phone couldnt do 16 hours, turned off, in a box
<darklight> OH MY GOD
<G-Mobile> I assume by optimizing it means adjusting timeouts and background restrictions, maybe adjusting the JVM parameters apps are afforded
<darklight> Mel brookes hitler rap ended spicks and specks
<SilverFox> what kind of porn is this?
<G-Mobile> Say this one app that never needs processong power wipp run at a lower clock speed or will be put to speep more immediately
<G-Mobile> Will
<darklight> NO MORE SEAN SPICEY WINGS :<
<lpghatguy> G-Mobile: it could even be moved to your low-power processor if you have a dual-processor phone
<lpghatguy> schedulers are cool
<G-Mobile> Mmmm, do I?
<lpghatguy> you got the squeezy phone, right?
<G-Mobile> I do
<lpghatguy> the U11
<G-Mobile> And that
<lpghatguy> "Octa-core (4x2.45 GHz Kryo & 4x1.9 GHz Kryo)"
<G-Mobile> Yep
<lpghatguy> yep, your high-power apps will run on the 2.45 GHz processor, and low-power stuff switches to the other one
<lpghatguy> used to be two separate processors, maybe now it's one 8-core chip with separate clock speeds per core somehow
<G-Mobile> And I bet the 1.9 can downclock further
<SilverFox> I think that a 1.9 and 2.45 aren't that much different
<SilverFox> 500Mhz yes, but like
<SilverFox> come on
<lpghatguy> I'll take a 20% power use reduction
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<SilverFox> I'd totally downclock that to 1.7 or something
<G-Mobile> Ah, it can downrez appspaces
<darklight> I'd rather have a 4.2ghz cpu and let it sleep for half the time
<lpghatguy> good ol' race-to-sleep architecture
<lpghatguy> I think bursty power draw is tougher on your battery though
<SilverFox> I dont think arm can do 4.2ghz
<darklight> I thought we were talking pcs for a sec, didn't read back until just then
<G-Mobile> So processor switching, underclocking, and resolution reduction
<G-Mobile> Its a 2K screen that would do as well at 720, cool
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<SilverFox> I just met someone who said that pastebin makes them uncomfortable
<GlassYuri> use hastebin then
<SilverFox> i dont think there'd be a difference
<GlassYuri> then ask them why
<SilverFox> I did
<lpghatguy> pastebin makes me uncomfortable
<SilverFox> get outta here
<lpghatguy> hastebin's syntax detection sucks
<darklight> Everyone knows the correct thing to do is paste the entire KSP.log in chat
<SilverFox> hooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
<SilverFox> please
<SilverFox> PLEASE
<SilverFox> tell me people dont do that
<lpghatguy> isn't there a PTP file transfer protocol on top of IRC that you could use for your sketchy files?
<GlassYuri> so while watching youtube videos of vehicles moving I noticed that I've become completely accustomed to left hand traffic
<darklight> I've seen people try, esper kicks them after a bit
<GlassYuri> I also have a valid drivers license that mostly applies to right hand countries
<darklight> I tell people to dump on my ftp server as pastebin has a 500kb limit
<darklight> Normally not a problem unless you have exception floods
<SilverFox> GlassYuri, japan drives on the left?
<GlassYuri> I also can't drive
<GlassYuri> SilverFox, no, on the bottom
<SilverFox> cool
<darklight> We drive on the left here
<darklight> One of the few countries that does it seems
<SilverFox> wut
<SilverFox> yall cucks
<lpghatguy> but why
<GlassYuri> darklight, japan, uk, stralia, india(?), hong kong, parts of south east asia
<GlassYuri> supposedly by population left and right hand is about equal
<darklight> Ah ok
<GlassYuri> by number of countries right hand wins
<SilverFox> the person who wont use pastebin says it's because "people will see it"
<GlassYuri> don't have to set it to public, man
<SilverFox> I know
<lpghatguy> pastebin is such a cluttered site
<GlassYuri> you only use public if you want to advertise for something illegal
<SilverFox> you can't middle click the "new paste" button and it makes me ree
<darklight> Speaking of driving, "The next major problem with GPS usage is that it is emasculating, and not just politically with its endless entreaties to “turn left.”"
<GlassYuri> I wonder if a pastebin scraper would eventually find the entire codebase of some n00b game dev
<SilverFox> probably
<SilverFox> I did once
<lpghatguy> there's so much fun random stuff in Untitled
<lpghatguy> err, labeled as untitled
<darklight> I bet that guy kisses girls on the mouth!
<darklight> :P
<SilverFox> ~yt cringey first kiss
<kmath> YouTube - Cringe at First Kiss | Love at First Kiss
<SilverFox> "maybe get some action, some tongue in there"
<SilverFox> >kisses on cheek
<SilverFox> this site is shittily designed
<SilverFox> I was reading and then everything went fuckerly
<SilverFox> turns out it was loading images
<darklight> SF reeeeee what is this garbage
<darklight> This is worse than MLP season 7
<darklight> And that's saying something
<SilverFox> it's saying "look at me I can reference ponies, pls ban me"
<darklight> Ok imma be serious for a second, if you're not friends first how the hell do you think you are going to be partners
<darklight> What is wrong with these people
<SilverFox> all these pictures are broken
<SilverFox> wtf
<SilverFox> darklight, dont send me this shit
<darklight> breitbart? didn't expect you to read it
<darklight> Godfrey has transistioned though and has a new account
<SilverFox> it's shittily designed
<SilverFox> GlassYuri, https://pastebin.com/kYjzAe4r have some java
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<SilverFox> sweet I found proxies! https://pastebin.com/FEGTRHSD
<darklight> Thats only 6 proxies. You need to be behind 7 proxies
<lpghatguy> what the FUCK https://i.imgur.com/VhYbh8k.png
<SilverFox> assembly code, neat: https://pastebin.com/CxvkVhT8
<lpghatguy> why would a company like this *ever* think it's okay to inject their stupid shit into my browser
<SilverFox> >Magic the gathering
<SilverFox> what deck you running?
<lpghatguy> couple different ones
<lpghatguy> in modern, grixis delver and GW company
<SilverFox> like, what type of deck
<SilverFox> way back when I got into it I ran poison
<SilverFox> at least, wanted to
<lpghatguy> those are the types of deck?
<SilverFox> poison counters op
<lpghatguy> the archetype at least
<SilverFox> I have no idea what it is then
<lpghatguy> Grixis Delver is a black-red-blue deck that plays the most efficient spells I can
<lpghatguy> I try to stick a Delver of Secrets (one blue for a 3/2 flyer, essentially) while using all 1 and 2 mana removal and value spells
<SilverFox> interesting
<lpghatguy> GW company is a green-white deck that abuses Collected Company and other value-heavy creatures to beatdown
<darklight> The real what the fuck is how do you get 1tb of data :(
<darklight> I only have 100gb
<darklight> And how do you use 900gb? stream netflix 24/7?
<lpghatguy> 4 people
<lpghatguy> the latest DOOM patch was like 40 GB
<lpghatguy> 5 people now, oops, and we usually have 1-2 streaming netflix
<SilverFox> Idk if I could ever do datacaps
* VITAS is in the regon of TB/month not those puny GB
<VITAS> :)
<VITAS> +i
<darklight> I'm pretty sure australia started the data cap bullshit
<lpghatguy> I didn't have data caps back in Montana :(
<darklight> But its ok, our old communications minister is now PM so he instantly axed GPON
<darklight> Because 640kb/s ought to be enough for anyone!
<SilverFox> reeeeeeeeeeeeee
<darklight> SF kekistanis are oppressed, but in australia they are doubley oppressed by internet speeds
<lpghatguy> why do people live there
<SilverFox> idk
<lpghatguy> is it really just people that no one else wants like I hear
<SilverFox> too expensive to leave
<darklight> "If we are snowflakes, then the weather forecast suggests a brutal snow blizzard in Kekistan very, very soon." and now we are getting threats of genocide from normies :'(
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<darklight> Well, time to unsub from the whitehouse channel now that there is no more daily spice :(
<darklight> "Subscribers for the last 30 days = 90, down 97.5%"
<darklight> Burning plastic and smelling it is an interesting identification trick
<lpghatguy> identifying... what?
<darklight> "We do not want the nsas contrails turning our frogs gay"
<SilverFox> amazon emailed me to tell me a 3d printer has gone on sale...by 96 cents
<darklight> I think my sis will hold off before burning a whole pile of cash to make a 3d printer appear in its place
<darklight> She wants a sealed cabinet so she can also print abs but she wants to print pla
<SilverFox> a sealed cabinet is a win win
<SilverFox> it helps both abs and pla prints
<SilverFox> what would really help though, is a vacuum
<SilverFox> no air currents to push the heat away from that first layer
<SilverFox> and no air to take the heat
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<SilverFox> and no air to slow the motors
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<darklight> I just witnessed the worst canadian impression ever
<kmath> YouTube - Mandatory Drone registration for the UK (22 Jul, 2017)
<G-Mobile> Weather is being weird
<G-Mobile> Theres threeish storms travelling west to east across the lower half of michigan's lower half, except that they've split around detroit as if there were an invisible airfoil
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<darklight> Detroit is so bad even the storms don't want to touch it
<darklight> "Storm wipes out detroit, causes 352 million dollars of improvement"
<SilverFox> lol
<darklight> "I mean, have you seen detroit"
<darklight> I should stop picking on dems "I Mean, Have You Seen the Other Guys?"
<TheKosmonaut> The USA could just do a cheeky border adjustment and say Detroit belongs to Canada
<TheKosmonaut> What's Trudeau gonna do, jog around and smile like a dork?
<TheKosmonaut> Ahh, maybe he'll kayak us into submission.
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<SilverFox> our economy would crash, I dont even think michigan is profitable
<SilverFox> mainly because detroit is such a money sink
<SilverFox> probably overestimating it
<SilverFox> give us washington DC
<SilverFox> that'd be great
<SilverFox> we'd own the whitehouse
<RandomJeb> you could just bulldoze detroit
<RandomJeb> build a nice city there
<SilverFox> where are you going to put all the people from detroit?
<RandomJeb> the bulldozers will sort them out
<Greys> darklight, the sad thing about detroit, is that it's so bad, a sufficiently large natural disaster could have impacts on the order of fukushima
<SilverFox> one can only hope
<Greys> there are NUMEROUS plots of land in the detroit area that are considered hazard sites
<Greys> the kind of place where if anyone wanted to use the plot for anything, step one is to spend years of hazmat removal diging up all the structure, and having it disposed of in federally approved ways
<SilverFox> how large is "sufficiently large" because that phrase means its size is infinite in both directions
<Greys> some plots the ground itself has to be dug up 10 meters down
<Greys> half a katrina
<SilverFox> thats pretty sizable
<SilverFox> wasnt katrina the largest that hit?
<Greys> if we managed to have an earth quake, probably like a 4 or something
<RandomJeb> clearly a waiver on federal law is required for this extreme case
<RandomJeb> just pour a few billion tons of concrete on the rubble and start over
<SilverFox> but that costs moneyyyy
<Greys> don't click this link. fuck this site, but no, Ivan was more intense https://weather.com/storms/hurricane/news/strongest-hurricanes-most-intense-atlantic-hurricanes-20130911#/1
<SilverFox> and you either commit mass genocide on the people of detroit, or you spread them out across the country to minimize damage
<SilverFox> because its not that detroit itself is bad, its moreso the people
<Greys> the problem with pouring concrete on the rubble is a lot of the buildings are 5 story 10 acre factories
<RandomJeb> well it's a synergy
<RandomJeb> Greys: we're bulldozing it first though
<Greys> but you have to dick up the ground
<RandomJeb> like the entirety of detroit
<Greys> both dick up and dig up
<Greys> and for all we know disk up
<SilverFox> and disc up
<Greys> activate "impactor"
<SilverFox> activate the dyieck
<Greys> she's a red fox btw
<SilverFox> I figured she was a black and white fox
<SilverFox> seeing as how colours in manga arent cannon
<RandomJeb> does the other girl lose clothing as she takes damage?
<SilverFox> probably
<Greys> anyway, imagine one of these massive beach front plots with all the biohazard potential of an intentional terrorist attack got enough water on it to start leaking that into the lake
<RandomJeb> we're bulldozing the lake too
<SilverFox> bruh
<Greys> that late touches canada
<SilverFox> that is singlehandedly the most stupid thing you could do in this case
<SilverFox> that is a massive source of fresh water
<SilverFox> "fresh"
<RandomJeb> once we're done bulldozing detroit and pouring concrete on it there wont be any potable water left
<SilverFox> full of fucking fish piss and shit
<Greys> both of those big lakes would be ruined
<SilverFox> what are those
<Greys> worse then they used to be
<SilverFox> ontario and michigan?
<Greys> lake erie and lake something else
<SilverFox> ontario and erie
<Greys> michigan is on the left
<SilverFox> eerie?
<Greys> eeeeeeeeereeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
<SilverFox> REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
<Greys> this meme makes no sense
<SilverFox> wwhich?
<Greys> frogs
<SilverFox> which frogs?
<Greys> right side is canada
<Greys> the fault is probably still detroit
<SilverFox> what is detroits crime rate?
<Greys> all.
<SilverFox> probably "yes:
<SilverFox> all the crime ever is done in detroit
<SilverFox> detroit just needs to stop existing
<SilverFox> would save the country lots of money
<SilverFox> thats what donald should do
<SilverFox> focus on the parts of the country that dont make money
<Greys> detroit is the world exclusive crime manufacturer; it's our #-1 export
<SilverFox> and do what he does best
<SilverFox> couldnt make cars anymore so yall started looting them instead
<Greys> have you seen the flint documentary?
<SilverFox> no
<SilverFox> how did they manage to not get their shit stolen?
<RandomJeb> I don't see a single dead frog in that NASA image, fake news
<kmath> YouTube - Roger And Me 1989 Cut
<SilverFox> Roger and I*
<RandomJeb> also alex jones told me they're turning the frogs gay, not killing them
<SilverFox> yeah
<Greys> when flint tanked, things got so bad
<Greys> imagine of like, the south half of los angelos suddenly became somalia
<RandomJeb> isn't los angeles kinda somalia already?
<Greys> no, it's the nice one
<SilverFox> detroit is somalia
<Greys> even detroit isn't somalia
<RandomJeb> los angeles is the nice one?
<Greys> somalia doesn't claim to have a government
<Greys> there's los angeles and san diego
<RandomJeb> that just means they are enlightened left leaning anarchists
<RandomJeb> they're cool and edgy
<Greys> one of the two is full of angry mexicans and cocaine
<SilverFox> san diego is the mexican one
<Greys> none of the three has any water
<SilverFox> kek
<Greys> so's this one time, michigan had trains
<Greys> we still have trains but they're worse now
<SilverFox> everything in michigan is worse now
<Greys> a bunch of kids from a not entirely shit part of near detroit jumped on a train to be cooool
<Greys> they ended up in flint
<Greys> they were shot
<SilverFox> nice
<SilverFox> this is what happens when people get guns
<SilverFox> they shoot people
<Greys> oh yea, that's easy to prove with statistics
<SilverFox> how many shootings are done with guns?
<SilverFox> how many shootings would be done if noone had guns?
<Greys> for each unit of time inwhich a person is in proximity to a firearm, there is a probability of them having access to it; for each unit time in which a firearm is accessible, there is a probability of an accidental discharge occuring
<SilverFox> ;wa how many shootings in canada
<kmath> SilverFox: Wolfram couldn't understand your gibberish
<Greys> for every accidental discharge that occurs in the proximity of every individual; that individual has a probability of being shot
<SilverFox> fuck you you're gibberish
<Greys> for every time that an individual is shot, there is a probability they will die
<Greys> thus, having a gun in your home vastly increases the probability that anyone in or around the home will die
<Greys> however, the probability of your home being broken into is fairly fixed for a given location, and actually reduces as a factor of household population
<SilverFox> the amount of deaths due to firearms is more than any deaths for a cause of death in canada
<SilverFox> with suicide being the highest at 10.1 per 100,000
<Greys> unless you're fuckin wranglestar who'se gonna wake up in bed with a literal bear one out of 700 nights; ain't no argument that increases the safety of your home
<SilverFox> firearms at 10.38 per 100,000
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<RandomJeb> I live in the wild
<RandomJeb> all the houses in our little woodland enclave has guns in them
<Greys> does your wild contain deadly animals?
<SilverFox> Greys, what about if we gave em guns from the time the amendment was created?
<RandomJeb> my wild contains deadly everything
<Greys> are you a stralian
<RandomJeb> including animals
<RandomJeb> no just an arctician
<RandomJeb> in australia they have to contend with all sorts of poisons and heat as well, that shit is hardcore
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<Greys> SilverFox, you should try to solve for x with my "guns are a bad idea" formula
<SilverFox> in the timeframe of 2009-2013 canada had 977 firearm deaths
<VITAS> my wild contains merkel beat that
<Greys> out of how many firearms?
<SilverFox> uhhhhhhhhh
<SilverFox> 31 guns per 100 people
<RandomJeb> this conversation just reminded me that we had that breivik guy hit a high score for lone gunman kills on this day some years ago
<SilverFox> but most of us actually use it for real purposes, like hunting
<Greys> ;wa population of canada
<kmath> Greys: Canada->population: 35.3 million people (world rank: 39th) (2014 estimate)
<Greys> ;c 35.3/100*31
<kmath> Greys: 10.943
<SilverFox> states has 310 million
<SilverFox> guns
<VITAS> ;wa population of norway
<kmath> VITAS: Norway->population: 5.02 million people (world rank: 118th) (2014 estimate)
<Greys> ;wa 11 million guns / 977 deaths
<kmath> Greys: (11000000 Mesopotamian loads)/977 all countries, dependencies, and territories->annual deaths: 655 billion person Mesopotamian loads/yr (person Mesopotamian loads per year) (2001, 2006, 2008, and 2014 -- this crap is too long.
<VITAS> ;wa population of sweden
<kmath> VITAS: Sweden->population: 9.6 million people (world rank: 90th) (2014 estimate)
<RandomJeb> it was a big thing when norway hit 5 million
<VITAS> ;wa population of germany
<Greys> what
<kmath> VITAS: Germany->population: 81.6 million people (world rank: 16th) (2014 estimate)
<SilverFox> oh, and 80% of firearm related deaths are suicides
<Greys> wtf is this number
<RandomJeb> mesopotamian loads?
<SilverFox> ;c 11000000 / 977
<kmath> SilverFox: 11258.955987717503
<SilverFox> guns per death
<Greys> other way
<SilverFox> that's the way you wanted it
<Greys> yes well you're bot is wrong
<SilverFox> not my bot
<Greys> did I ask you?
<SilverFox> did I ask you?
<Greys> pikachu?
<SilverFox> hey you
<SilverFox> ~c 977 / 11000000
<FoxBot9000> SilverFox, 8.881818181818182E-5
<SilverFox> that many deaths per gun
<SilverFox> but also, 80% is suicide
<Greys> that's actually I think a reasonable scale
<Greys> ;wa deaths by farm equipment
<kmath> Greys: Wolfram couldn't understand your gibberish
<SilverFox> one sec
<SilverFox> ytou want canada or usa?
<Greys> canada
<SilverFox> ye that link
<Greys> 1975 deaths between 1990 and 2008
<Greys> ;c 1975/18
<kmath> Greys: 109.72222222222223
<SilverFox> 110 per year
<Greys> a hundred deaths by tractor anal per year
<RandomJeb> seems a bit high
<Greys> I feel like we didn't normalize the gun deaths to per year
<RandomJeb> yeah I don't think that manipulation happened
<Greys> ;c 977/4
<kmath> Greys: 244.25
<RandomJeb> every other one did, but not that one
<Greys> so twice as many people died via guns than died /on farms/
<RandomJeb> if I'm choosing between hunting and farming I'm picking farming every time
<RandomJeb> because playing with machines that can grab my sleeve and eat my arm in a second is safer than playing with people carrying loaded guns
<Greys> ;c 244.28*.2
<kmath> Greys: 48.856
<Greys> and half as many were accidents
<Greys> so yea, I feel like canada's gun deaths, while tragic, are statistically in proportion
<Greys> in 2012, there were 8855 gun murders in america
<Greys> not counting other kinds of death
<Greys> in 2015, 13,286 people were killedby guns; excluding suicide
<RandomJeb> ;wa 35/330
<kmath> RandomJeb: 35/330 = 7/66
<Greys> so gun murders are like 2/3rds of all american gun deaths not including suicide
<Greys> yea fuck wa
<RandomJeb> do we have another calculator bot?
<Greys> jesus fuck
<Greys> in 2010, what with the 9 thousand gun murders, and 4ish thousand gun accidental deaths, there were TWENTY THOUSAND GUN SUICIDES
<Greys> so that's 32k gun deaths, approximate, in 2010
<Greys> ;c 8/32
<kmath> Greys: 0.25
<RandomJeb> so guns mostly do good
<Greys> ;c (32-8-4)/32
<kmath> Greys: 0.625
<Greys> 62% of american gun deaths are suicide, which is unfortunately better via superior competition
<Greys> ;wa population of america
<kmath> Greys: United States->population: 322 million people (world rank: 3rd) (2014 estimate)
<Greys> ;wa population of america in 2010
<kmath> Greys: United States->population->2010: 310 million people (world rank: 3rd) (2010 estimate)
<Greys> ;c 32000/310000000
<kmath> Greys: 0.0001032258064516129
<Greys> ;c 250/31000000
<kmath> Greys: 8.064516129032258e-06
<Greys> doin' good canada
<Greys> in 2010 the population of guns was approximately equal to the population of people in america
<Greys> ;c 310000000/32000
<kmath> Greys: 9687.5
<Greys> 11.2k guns per death in canada, 9.6k guns per death in murka, that's more than 10% fewer guns per death
<Greys> SilverFox, how does this make you feel about the validity of corn in the modern diet
<RandomJeb> I'm swapping all the corn in my diet to quorn from now on
<Greys> holy shit you can liquid cool ram
<RandomJeb> yeah
<Greys> serious concern, if you have full system watercooling; what's cooling your bridges?
<SilverFox> watercooled bridges
<SilverFox> also, whats cooling them is convection cooling due to convection heating
<Greys> yea but bridges get hella hot these days
<SilverFox> yeah, I never said it would be sufficient
<SilverFox> Its just what's cooling it
<SilverFox> the heat itself is causing air currents
<SilverFox> also, I pitched the idea earlier of a 3d printer in a vacuum
<SilverFox> it would significantly improve print quality
<SilverFox> and the chances of print success
<SilverFox> I feel confident saying at least 50%
<Greys> not as serious question, wouldn't 3D printing in a vacuum inhibit filament cooling, and cause it to stay liquidy longery?
<Greys> more serious question, what about outgassing when the filament is a fluid
<Greys> that'll probably cause cavitation in your hotend
<SilverFox> this will need testing
<Greys> resin printing in a vacuum would probably be dope.AF
<SilverFox> oh yeah, another question, how to into 0g without planes or spinning?
<SilverFox> and without into space
<Greys> how would you 0G /with/ spinning
<Greys> spinning makes G
<SilverFox> negative spinning
<Greys> if you can achieve negative spin, nobel prizes will spontaneously form
<SilverFox> you spin the other
<SilverFox> way
<SilverFox> instead of mounting with head towards arm and ass on the far side, you do ass on the inside and it'll pull you out of your seat
<Greys> if you spin the other way, guess what, you're still spinning
<SilverFox> anyways
<SilverFox> how to into 0G?
<Greys> face it, negative spin would have to be like negative kelvin
<Greys> a conceptual thing that can't actually exist but is somehow useful for maths
<SilverFox> overruled
<SilverFox> move back onto topic
<Greys> I want EKB's aluminum kit so I can do outdoor watercooling and eliminate a huge source of heat inside my apartment during the summer
<Greys> but that doesn't exist yet
<Greys> ahg but then I'll need a 1080 founders
<SilverFox> 1080 puts out some good heat
<Greys> I wouldn't even be too mad about having case fans, as long as the CPU and GPU dump their heat outdoors
<Greys> also, I could probably do 240mm case fans and have everything else covered
<SilverFox> yeah the rest of the system doesnt pump heat that muhc
<Greys> it's like some kind of crazy triple flux capacitor
<SilverFox> fun fact, we still dont know why exactly people can't tickle themselves
<SilverFox> its just that the brain knows its you
<SilverFox> and we cant trick it
<Greys> fun fact, scishow did an epsiode explaining that like five months ago
<SilverFox> oh
<SilverFox> fuck
<kmath> YouTube - Why can't you tickle yourself?
<SilverFox> Greys, what would you think about an entirely technological modpack for minecraft with age-based progression?
<SilverFox> ie stone, industrial, bronze ages
<Greys> I think it's too broad to be handled by a single mod, and multiple mods have never ever been remotely balanced
<SilverFox> AoE modpack
<Greys> age of empires?
<SilverFox> ye
<SilverFox> but not really
<Greys> it'd be cool, if it were a single mod
<SilverFox> that joke is common in the videos though
<Greys> but as a modpack it's dead already
<SilverFox> I might be using it
<SilverFox> either that or the direwolf modpack
<SilverFox> direwolf usually has a good plethora of neat mods
<SilverFox> Greys, Nuclear Reactor Simulator 2018
<G-Mobile> Yea, but, dw is a pro-xploit player
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<G-Mobile> Like the guy who wins supervmario world in 15 seconds
<G-Mobile> He wants sets of mods that he can abuse against eachother in fun ways
<SilverFox> I'm always looking for neat interactions
<SilverFox> but im not a fan of magics
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<SilverFox> AoE has some good progression so far
<SilverFox> what is the best modpack you know of, or best mod?
<G-Mobile> There used to be a total conversion mod where every mechanic was a lot more complicated
<SilverFox> universal equivalence?
<G-Mobile> Redpower2+railcraft
<SilverFox> redpower is obsolete
<SilverFox> but railcraft in vr would be neat
<G-Mobile> You asked
<SilverFox> yeah you probs havent played in forever, so I dont blame ye
<SilverFox> have you looked at that super circuit maker mod?
<SilverFox> it really condenses circuitry
<G-Mobile> Unless project red has gotten a lot more functional, modern minecraft is pretty pointless
<SilverFox> i dont keep tabs on project red
<SilverFox> ~g project red
<SilverFox> wut
<G-Mobile> ~g minecraft project red
<FoxBot9000> G-Mobile: http://www.projectredwiki.com/
<SilverFox> oh shit, project red has a channel here on esper
<G-Mobile> Not really
<SilverFox> the fuck do you mean "not really"?
<G-Mobile> The dev doesnt use irc
<G-Mobile> Or java
<G-Mobile> Its coded in a haskell clone that runs on the jvm
<SilverFox> idk how to check for changelogs
<SilverFox> what version have you checked on last, how long ago?
<SilverFox> that's the changelog
<SilverFox> looks like it has neat stuff
<G-Mobile> I made gboard bigger
<SilverFox> gboard?
<G-Mobile> Like keyman, but google biard
<SilverFox> google keyboard?
<G-Mobile> Its literally called gboard
<G-Mobile> ~g gboard
<SilverFox> okay
<SilverFox> but its a keyboard by google
<SilverFox> which is what I was looking for
<G-Mobile> Do you hyperbaloid cooling towers would work at small scales?
<SilverFox> make bong coolers
<SilverFox> do you get charged for your water usage?
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<SilverFox> I wonder how light I can get a UPS to be so I could mount it to the side of my desktop and use it when power goes out and for transporting downstairs since my room is small as fuck and vr roomscale takes some room
<SilverFox> so downstairs has lots of room
<G-Mobile> Answer the question
<SilverFox> yet booting this computer is a bitch
<SilverFox> idk what a hyperbaloid is
<G-Mobile> Nuclear cooling towers
<SilverFox> do you get charged for your water usage?
<G-Mobile> Yes
<SilverFox> well, that's gonna suck
<SilverFox> you'd need a fully enclosed system
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<G-Mobile> But this would be closed cycle
<SilverFox> im drawing a blank on nuclear cooling
<SilverFox> is it just using coils?
<SilverFox> and steam out to condense it and then the condensation gets pooled into another input and that goes back to heat source?
<G-Mobile> Google it, the full scale system uses open cycle sprayers and droplet evaporation
<SilverFox> heat source -> turbines -> coils -> collecting pool?
<G-Mobile> The shape of the tower accelerates air passively by creating a thermal
<SilverFox> oh it's evaporative cooling
<SilverFox> thats boooonnnggg cooling
<SilverFox> yeah that'd def work small scale
<G-Mobile> But look at what the tower does
<G-Mobile> No
<G-Mobile> The hyperbaloid tower
<SilverFox> ?
<SilverFox> what the fuck
<G-Mobile> No
<SilverFox> is a hyperbaloid
<SilverFox> also it's hyperboloid
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<SilverFox> but yes, it should work small scale, whatever it is
<G-Mobile> Fuckin dyson fan but passive
<G-Mobile> Its a thermal effect air accellerator
<SilverFox> yeah go for it
<G-Mobile> Make a hyperboloid tower scaled to a 120x120mm radiator
<SilverFox> no u
<G-Mobile> Not you, thats the plan
<G-Mobile> But maybe you
<SilverFox> i can 3d make it
<SilverFox> like, computerer it
<G-Mobile> The worst part is that radiators are square
<SilverFox> what about a coil system?
<SilverFox> I like coils
<G-Mobile> As long as you put a hot thing in the tower it should accelerate air
<G-Mobile> Via venturi bernuli
<SilverFox> coils can be cheap and fit in both square and circle patterns
<SilverFox> good luck finding a circle radiator
<SilverFox> however, you could go rectangle-based and then adaptorize it to circle
<G-Mobile> Zalman has a circular AIO
<SilverFox> what size?
<G-Mobile> I wonder how the effect of the tower's berturi effrect scales against active airflow
<SilverFox> I wonder if you could have a liquid cooler in about the same height factor as regular air coolers
<G-Mobile> At what point is it within 1% of just being a fan in a tube
<SilverFox> yes
<SilverFox> I wonder how well a long term a fan can last in said system
<SilverFox> with really high humidity air
<G-Mobile> ... closed loop
<SilverFox> fan in a tube
<G-Mobile> You saw linus's build, at small scales you need like eight foot evaporation towers to get effective cooling
<SilverFox> yeah you need big towers regardless
<SilverFox> thats why those nuclear towers are so fucking massive
<G-Mobile> Thing one, passive airflow rads in a hyperboloid
<G-Mobile> Thing two, active airflow in the same
<G-Mobile> Thing three, bottom up fan with rad in the middle
<SilverFox> you could also do what linus did and have radiators on the roof
<G-Mobile> Do you think CPU waterblocks are effective in reverse?
<SilverFox> wut
<SilverFox> like, heating the component instead of cooling it/
<G-Mobile> Right
<SilverFox> mr.krabs.jpg
<G-Mobile> i'm thinking, get a circular air cooler, mate it with a cpu waterblock, and use several of those instead of radiators
<SilverFox> hm
<G-Mobile> A2D18BFFDE486F264D0349F095B3D71E5F2C73C8_large.jpg
<SilverFox> wtf
<G-Mobile> Really...
<G-Mobile> Imagine four of these, each one built into a tower
<SilverFox> id need this all drawn out
<SilverFox> my visualizing capabilities are fucking negative
<G-Mobile> Imagine that, in a tube
<G-Mobile> So the fins are inline with flow
<G-Mobile> Then flare the ends of the tube and point it up
<SilverFox> and the waterinput is mounted on the side of the tube, so it's facing airflow
<G-Mobile> Then instead of putting it on a CPU, put CPU waterblock
<SilverFox> okay
<SilverFox> so now water flows to it
<G-Mobile> Then have several of those in parallel
<SilverFox> but isnt this basically a circular radiator?
<G-Mobile> Yea but its not dirextly connected to water
<SilverFox> you lost me there
<SilverFox> it has water input
<Greys> it doesn't
<SilverFox> does the water just flow to the block to heat it up?
<SilverFox> because that sounds very inefficient
<SilverFox> jesus fuck that's 89$
<SilverFox> radiators sound more efficient
<SilverFox> yeah, radiators inside the tower sounds like the best path
<Greys> square rads are gonna fuck up the flow
<SilverFox> right, so what about coils?
<SilverFox> coils with heatsink on em
<Greys> source me some finned tubing
<SilverFox> lots of small coils because surface area and transfer area
<SilverFox> you could always make some if push comes to shove
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<Greys> I'd rather not be involved in that
<SilverFox> it's even aluminium so yeah
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<Greys> that's not benable
<SilverFox> you said hardtube
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<Greys> that didn't happen
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<SilverFox> still, suck it up
<SilverFox> aluminium wont bend
<SilverFox> heat it up to shape it
<Greys> #1, you ain't know shit about shit
<Greys> #2, see #1
<SilverFox> what about #3?
<Greys> the hole's too big, surface to to area is terrible
<SilverFox> right, but something like this
<SilverFox> conceptssss
<SilverFox> hole size like this?
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<SilverFox> whats the hole-size that you'd recommend?
<Greys> I'd probably be looking to run two cooling towers, so whatever size is about half the volume of your waterblock's tubing
<SilverFox> approx 48hrs until rift arrival
<SilverFox> Greys, we should CAD this
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<Greys> unfortunately working with hyperboles is a pain up your ass
<Greys> they're not handled well by parametrics, which means you have to make them correctly the first time
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<Greys> the best approximation I can achieve functional results with in CATIA, king of cad, is conics
<SilverFox> do whatveer
<Greys> arbitrary dimmensions and proportions
<SilverFox> wtf are all these zeros
<Greys> I was probably designing in meters
<SilverFox> okay
<SilverFox> but it shouldnt show that many zeross
<SilverFox> thats just excessive
<SilverFox> what does the flare achieve, other than maximum pleasure?
<Greys> venturi bernulli stuff to accelerate airflow via pressures and shit
<SilverFox> figured
<SilverFox> the throat causes a squeeze, making higher pressure
<Greys> the hot thing would be just above the air inlet, and the air in contact, being hot, wants to go up
<SilverFox> high pressure then goes up and cools as it expands
<Greys> the throat causes that hot air to accellerate, creating a vacuum that pulls more air up
<Greys> so purely by having hot stuff exposed to air, the air is made to want to cycle upwards in the tower quickly, which then draws air through at a high passive rate
<SilverFox> closed-loop air cycle lul
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<Greys> as well the tube creates an isolation between the air inlet and the air exhaust, so you get consistently cool air without mixing in exhaust
<SilverFox> I just thought of close-looping the air part of the thingamabob
<Greys> if you just set a radiator on a table there will be a lot of recycling
<Greys> so probably my methodology will be along the lines of this http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~gunderso/model_photos/misc/hyperboloid_of_one_sheet.jpg
<SilverFox> that looks neat
<Greys> just need to solid up the sides and I'll have the right shape
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<Greys> now of course if you need more cooling, http://www.hamon.com.br/docs/upload/31/images/IMG_4783.jpg
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<Greys> however I don't think there's any real practical reason to have the tower at that point
<Greys> if you had those fans and then an air gap, you'd have a dyson fan
<SilverFox> A E S T H E T I C
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<Greys> the real question in the end is whether any of these effects are substinative at small scale, particularly 15cm or 40cm
<SilverFox> I want to say it should scale linearly
<Greys> linearly with scale factor, area, or volume
<Greys> volume decreases a lot faster
<G-Mobile> I would expect it scales as a factor of area, profile, and thermal delta
<SilverFox> thats what Im thinking as well
<SilverFox> that it should scale sensibly no matter the size, except it just is able to dissipate less heat because less air flowing through
<G-Mobile> These deltas will be small, but we should be able to get an ideal profile
<G-Mobile> Also the temperature of the coolant should never approach 100C
<SilverFox> of course
<SilverFox> dont want it boiling
<SilverFox> "boiling" as if it wouldnt be already
<SilverFox> wtf is clay's melting temperature?
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<SilverFox> Gryes, what do you think of the forging and smithing mechanic that that smelting mod adds?
<SilverFox> Tinker's Construct
<G-Mobile> Doesnt add anything, just a complicated simplification
<G-Mobile> Poorly intended mods require insignificant effort to reduce effort thereafter
<G-Mobile> The result of poorly intended mods interacting without consideration is creative mode, so why not just play creative
<SilverFox> it lets you make a giant furnace you can smelt things in, and then you can mix and match tool parts to make your desired tool the way you want it as well
<G-Mobile> They dont give you real mechanics to play with, they just make you feel powerful
<SilverFox> apparently there's a thing called "Calculator Mod"
<SilverFox> have no fucking clue what it does
<G-Mobile> Look at thaumcraft 2
<G-Mobile> That was a hell of a mod
<SilverFox> dont like it
<SilverFox> dont like magics
<G-Mobile> Look at mystcraft
<SilverFox> it was neat as fuck, but not my tast
<SilverFox> mystcraft is also magics
<G-Mobile> That added entirely new concepts
<G-Mobile> Nope, myst is science
<SilverFox> great, but I dont like magics
<G-Mobile> Redstone is magic
<SilverFox> no
<SilverFox> its wires
<SilverFox> its not some vi you sap from the air
<SilverFox> and then golems
<SilverFox> that do things
<SilverFox> and the things you mine that just use up durability
<SilverFox> essence or some shit
<SilverFox> the calculator does crafting
<SilverFox> ew
<G-Mobile> My phone can irc and discord at the same time
<SilverFox> you mean like, having the processes running?
<G-Mobile> On screenvat the same time
<SilverFox> oh
<SilverFox> neat
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<SilverFox> time to do some more landing practice
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<SilverFox> ;wa weather in toronto
<kmath> SilverFox: weather->Toronto, Canada: temperature->23 °C, relative humidity->67% (dew point: 17 °C), (22 minutes ago)
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<SilverFox> the winds are brutal
<SilverFox> my plane took off on its own because headwind
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<G-Mobile> how much better are linear actuators than chain draggers
<SilverFox> yes *thumbs up*
<G-Mobile> I want to open and close my windows with piduinos, one window needs about 18 inches, two need about 24
<G-Mobile> 18" linear actuators range from 70$ to hundreds a hundreds
<G-Mobile> I can probably open them with a chain loop on one side, mounted somewhere on the window, driven by a servo
<G-Mobile> and that system will permit arbitrary length
<G-Mobile> but I do need to get this did, there's potentially hundreds of dollars on the line
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<mike_> is there a config file where the planets are defined?
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<G-Mobile> No
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<G-Mobile> (yes but its a compiled resource package and its against the ToS/EULA to touch it)
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<mike_> so, best option is to pull it from CelestialBody in the API
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<mike_> it’s been a while since i’ve done this, too. is there a good API reference somewhere?
<mike_> i liked the annotated one in the wiki, but it seems to be 0.24 related
<G-Mobile> Define pull
<mike_> oh, so i wrote a plugin that sends data over a UDP connection to an iOS app
<G-Mobile> You can play with that data within KSP's runtime as best as you can figure out to do, but extracting it from the game is no good
<mike_> oh yeah, that’s what i mean. there’s an api call for OrbitalBody.GetName() for example
<G-Mobile> You can only possess the stock assets that appear in the gamedata folder, everything else is only yours to play with when KSP brings it to the playground
<G-Mobile> The in gane wikivstuff should be in gamedata
<G-Mobile> Game
<mike_> got it
<G-Mobile> Also I doubt orbital parameters can be owned so that should be fine
<mike_> what do you mean by owned?
<G-Mobile> Squad owns jool, the literal assets, but orbital parameters are just a kind of coordinate
<G-Mobile> It'd be like owning five
<mike_> i guess. i bet they could argue that they own the specific set of data that produces the orbit of jool, though.
<mike_> but if they wanted it to be private, they would not have exposed it in the api
<G-Mobile> Its frequently impractical to restrict things
<G-Mobile> They're not just restricting it from you, but elsewhere in thier code too
<G-Mobile> Like if spielberg wanted to maintain total control over ET, and so had the character censored throughout the movie and surrounding media, it wouldnt function
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<mike_> is there still no way to reload dlls that are part of plugins?
<mike_> short of relaunching KSP?
<G-Mobile> Dlls are plugins, also no*
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<G-Mobile> In order to reload you have to be able to unload, and the way ksp loads it just tosses everything together with no way to pull it apart
<mike_> how do people debug? my version is probably best described as verbose logging.
<G-Mobile> A program could be made that loada dlls and can reload individual dlls, and an extremely adept programmer might be able to make a dll that can be reloaded, I doubt any such people remain in the community
<G-Mobile> In ksp*
<G-Mobile> Yep, logging
<mike_> huh. is the community largely dead these days?
<G-Mobile> No, its just different, like the starwars prequels
<mike_> lol
<mike_> that makes it sound worse
<mike_> hopefully there are no midichlorians.
<G-Mobile> Worse is a kind of different
<mike_> how do i detect when the scene is changing so i can do deallocation
<G-Mobile> Do wha...
<G-Mobile> darklight: what is this
<mike_> okay, well, my network connection gets initialized when the flight scene is loaded
<mike_> i’d like to do some cleanup when the flight scene is left
<mike_> basically, i need to close the socket
<G-Mobile> darklight is our network guy
<mike_> oh, i think it’s a unity thing. i found some info about OnDestroy(), etc
<mike_> i know that my Start() got called when the flight scene loaded
<mike_> so i wonder if OnDestroy() gets called. time for some verbose logging.
<G-Mobile> On destroy is part of GC, that will never happen reliably
<mike_> gotcha. they both got called when i tested, but i will use disable
<G-Mobile> Its probably easiest to have code watching for the start of the new scene instead of the end of the previous
<G-Mobile> I forget if start fires in the editor but switchcase out all the scenes and do what you need when each scene starts based on the state of your machine
<mike_> i have it set to load on Startup.Flight
<mike_> OnDisable() gets called when the scene changes from flight
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<G-Mobile> ;wa population of america in base pi
<G-Mobile> ;
<G-Mobile> Hmmm
<kmath> G-Mobile: I can't fix your problems
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<SilverFox> lul
<SilverFox> gottem
<darklight> SF I really liked thaumcraft
<darklight> Vitas can tell you about my minecraft drug labs
<SilverFox> naw, ima just go to bed instead
<darklight> Greys linear actuators have a minimum length, but can lift a fair bit of weight. Not sure what you mean by chain dragger
<darklight> Dlls cannot be unloaded because once an assembly loads in ksp, you can't unload it
<darklight> Err, c#
<darklight> Unless you use appdomains of course
<G-Mobile> A circle of chain about two sprockets that is attached to the thing that needs to move
<darklight> Wait I meant tracks, nevermind
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<darklight> mike_ you might be after GameEvents.OnGameSceneChangeRequested or something like that
<darklight> Also I just use a single persistent monobehaviour and DontDestroyOnLoad(this) in start
<darklight> Geez, don trump betta watch out, he's been put on notice https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFXvHXVW0AEoxgO.jpg
<darklight> Bahahaha
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