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<Deddly>
The sepratron has a TWR of 25. The Shrimp has 3.67
<Deddly>
(vac)
<darsie>
167 km Ap.
<Deddly>
Nice. How about the Mite?
<darsie>
dunno that
<Deddly>
Also, are you using a nosecone?
<bees>
last time i checked, 2x4 solar panels are the best wings for superlight crafts
<darsie>
sure
<Deddly>
bees, wut
<Deddly>
bees, with damage off, presumably?
<bees>
they are surface mounted
<bees>
they dont care
<Deddly>
What kind of lifting properties do they have? I mean, they're not the smallest "wing"
<bees>
very low max speed, require large AoA to generate lift
<bees>
but they can provide you with absolutely silly low flying speeds, because they are almost massless
<darsie>
358 km with octo2, RW, nosecone
<darsie>
fins burned off
<Deddly>
Heh. The Sepratron actually has more thrust than the Mite
<Deddly>
bees, Ah ok, so they won't work with the Dawn
<Deddly>
Or any other low-thrust engine
<bees>
on the other side, they should work perfectly
<darsie>
Ahh, mite, short 0.625 SRB
<bees>
they are unusable as serious wings because drag becomes enormous really fast
<bees>
but if you are flying on something as low thrust as dawn, that should not be a problem
<darsie>
161 km with mite
<Deddly>
Nice
<Deddly>
darsie, would you be able to compare that with 2 sepratrons?
<Deddly>
bees, low thrust means it can't overcome the drag. That's the main problem there
<Deddly>
Even a little drag is significant for a Dawn
<darsie>
Looks like mite can fly intercontinentally.
<Deddly>
The Dawn, remember, has a TWR of 0.019
<darsie>
umm, to the next peninsula.
<darsie>
yep
<Deddly>
I just realised an electric/Ion craft just might be able to get orbit now we have propellers.
<Deddly>
I'm thinking that 2 or 3 Sepratrons might outperform the mite
<Deddly>
Possibly 4
<Deddly>
Tuned to lower thrust, obviously
<Deddly>
Say, three of them at one third thrust. I bet that will get almost as high as a Mite
<bees>
Deddly: 2x4 solar allows much lower flying speeds, so drag is much lower too
<bees>
it has more drag on _equal_ speed compared with normal wing
<Deddly>
bees, OK that last point is interesting
<Deddly>
It might be worth a try, since solar is also a beneficial power source for these crafts. But not today for me :)
<bees>
biggest problem for me was mounting them
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* darsie
installed procedural fairings.
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<packbart>
I haven't found a use for them, tbh
<darsie>
interstage for the ant.
<darsie>
Not that's a common situation ...
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<packbart>
right, it doesn't have a shroud of its own
<darsie>
Not that that's a common situation ...
<packbart>
putting a decoupler under an ant is a common situation for my relay launchers. it looks a bit weird but I usually keep them under a fairing and don't have to look at it for very long ;)
<darsie>
:)
* darsie
has drag issues with the procedural fairing.
<taniwha>
fairings are for protecting the payload, not for reducing drag
<darsie>
An interstage fairing decreases drag a lot.
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<packbart>
running out of EC for the reaction wheels while aerobraking at Eve is bad for your craft's health
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* flayer
tackles packbart
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<taniwha>
darsie: ah, yeah, interstage is another matter
<Deddly>
Is that the only bit you found unrealistic? LOL :)
<Mat2ch>
*opinion
<Deddly>
Look closely at the little planets in that picture, they are soooooo cute
<Mat2ch>
Yes. A giant magnifying lense is far more probable ;)
<Deddly>
Hehehe
<Althego>
it probably had
<Althego>
if nothing else, one planet infected the other
<Althego>
supposedly even venus wasnt this bada few hundred million years back
<Althego>
big bada boom
<Deddly>
Global warming
<taniwha>
may be life in Venus's clouds
<Mat2ch>
I must object. What they thought to be carved by flowing water is now made by glaciers. And they could've been out of CO2
<taniwha>
and deep underground on Mars
<Althego>
yes there is some absorbion material of unknown compistion
<Althego>
absorbing
<taniwha>
Mat2ch: there's more than carving. there's certain rock types that require liquid water
<Althego>
i heard that too. there is an idea that all those formations on mars were either done by ice or by water under ice
<Althego>
this solves the faint young sun paradox
<Mat2ch>
are we absolutely sure that this is the case? Because that's what they said about the "rivers" as well.
<taniwha>
and life in water under is is not unprecedented
<taniwha>
Mat2ch: as for the rocks, at least 95%
<Althego>
anyway it may have been 3 green planets
<taniwha>
(or higher. they did do mineral analysis on the rocks (curiosity?)
<taniwha>
yeah
<Althego>
there are a lot of clays and similar stuff
<Althego>
they require water
<Mat2ch>
ok, let's be clear. There is water on Mars. There's CO2 so we have oxygen and hydrogen is almost everywhere to find.
<taniwha>
life on Mars, assuming there was any, may have never gotten to the microbial stage, let alone multi-cellular or even complex
<Mat2ch>
That will in some cases produce water. But I doubt that there was enough water for an ocean and currents in it that could mix around amino acids in a way that would result in life.
<taniwha>
keep in mind that they've found that earth has more water in its rocks than it does in its oceans (read in a recent posting)
<Althego>
heh opus. open source. free. wireshark cant touch it
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<Althego>
it seems my addition works and now the testing tool supports opus, aside from alaw and ulaw. lower frequencies go through. higher dont. probably the synthetic sine wave in it is distorted for the testing tool so it doesnt recognize it anymore
<Althego>
so i just wanted to listen in
<Althego>
but of course i cant even save it, because opus
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<Althego>
and i didnt even get to transcoding which would be one of the main functionalities