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<Izaya>
which mod adds cryogenic chambers for kerbals again? I've seen it before, but I can't remember what it's called and I can't find it by searching
<umaxtu>
Deep Freeze continued
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<JVFoxy>
just realized.. 3 hours.. wow, its happening now?
<JVFoxy>
Ok, its been a while since I was here last. Blame a lot of life stuff.. ~sigh~
<Izaya>
ah, one word, not two, that was the problem >.>
<Izaya>
gonna use this for a trip to Jool next time I play
<Izaya>
set up kOS to auto-thaw them once they enter orbit
<Izaya>
hmm, it has KAC support; doesn't mention the stock alarm clock
<JVFoxy>
was playing earlier too.. but then GPU took a serious crash out for some reason :\
<umaxtu>
let me guess, its a 4090 that decided to melt the power connector?
<JVFoxy>
ugh.. no thanks. I had the funds for that monster, I'd be paying off some debt..
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<JVFoxy>
I have a feeling my AMD control went and derped and died, taking KSP with it. I've had to reset the stupid cooling profile so many times now
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<gjcs14>
hey, any mods available?
<TheKosmonaut>
Hi gjcs14
<SporkWitch>
KSP has many mods; i recommend CKAN to manage them and their dependencies
<SporkWitch>
i'm still expecting a scrub, and if they don't, an explosion
<JVFoxy>
:\
<JVFoxy>
I really hope it goes without too many problems, can't expect perfect but.. don't wanna see it crash and burn
<Althego>
explosion seems unileky
<SporkWitch>
there's a reason for the SLS = Senate Launch System meme. This mission should have happened 20 years ago. It was politics and illegal corporate kickbacks that delayed it to this point, and it shows in how almost every test flight got scrubbed
<JVFoxy>
I'm a bit stoked that us Canadians are going to be building our own robotic moon rover
<Althego>
the idea of sls is from the 90s, and it made sense then since it reuses shuttle parts. but the shuttle is not flying anymore, it is not reusable, really expensive, also the development cost was astronomical despite the reuse
<Althego>
it is not wasting my money, but if i want humans to go to space permanently this is not the right direction
<SporkWitch>
Althego: i honestly can't remember the name of the competing program, that looked more realistic; it was killed by politics, and that fight is what started the SLS = Senate, not Space, Launch System meme
<JVFoxy>
ya the hope was that being able to reuse things would help drive costs down. Turned out more of a technical headache than they expected, from what I gathered. A lot of experienced gained from it though, so hopefully it wasn't for naught
<Althego>
even spacex had the same failure. development of falcon heavy was way more expensive and hard than they expected
<Rokker>
SporkWitch: I hope you don't mean constellation
<Althego>
with the death rocket?
<JVFoxy>
flying match stick rocket?
<SporkWitch>
Rokker: again, don't remember the name. I also wasn't following space as much back then as I was politics, because I was military and it decided who was going to be shooting at me and who I might have to shoot at. What I remember about it is the politics and the obviousness of the corporate political connections in delaying things and choosing who to buy from
<Althego>
there was one politician who successfully suppressed the idea of orbital fuel depot
<Althego>
it is on the table after he retired or something
<SporkWitch>
and i'm done, because the stream is now being racist and sexist
<gjcs14>
maybe in the lead up to China doing their own manned moon missions there will be a more serious look at doing things
<gjcs14>
wonder how far away we are from the ESA doing anything like that
<JVFoxy>
I /could/ have been more involved in space related stuff... trouble was, being told by parents that 'only the USA did that stuff, not Canada'... sigh..
<SporkWitch>
sucks, but i'd worry more about your PM Castro Jr.
<JVFoxy>
although.. older now, I have a feeling there may have been other reasons for saying such things... trying to guide me towards less risky jobs?
<SporkWitch>
no, more likely the usual, across all places, of just saying "don't dream, be a cog"
<JVFoxy>
well.. there was something going on but I won't get into it here, in the open. Let's just say 'parents had their own ideas'..
<SporkWitch>
it's late, i'm tired, and i'm drinking, so i choose to do the abrupt topic shift to music, and a topically relevant (to the channel) song title: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osojr29tZSU
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<Izaya>
huh, did they move the launch up?
<SporkWitch>
opposite, delayed again
<JVFoxy>
expected launch hold.. its normal
<Izaya>
oh okay
<JVFoxy>
its in case they run into some problems and need to delay things to resolve it prior to launch.
<Izaya>
I heard it was 5PM local, it's just after 4 and the clock shows ~30 minutes
<Izaya>
but if they're gonna get to a hold that makes sense
<JVFoxy>
delay will be 1h9m give or take I heard somewhere in all the chatter
<SporkWitch>
it's the government, it'll scrub again
<funkenstein>
;mission
<LunchBot>
You throw a bag of botsnacks into #KSPOfficial. Would you like to know more?
<JVFoxy>
... KSP meets starship troppers?
<SporkWitch>
only if you didn't read the book, like the guy the nazi that made the movie that line's from
<JVFoxy>
books vs movie editions is always going to be a.. .. eh well.. ya.. thing
<SporkWitch>
true, it was just a special example, because Paul Veheuven (sp?), in his own words, recorded in interviews, explicitly stated he set out to make a movie denouncing a terrible fascist book, and also, on tape, in his own words, stated he didn't even finish the first chapter. Which explains why, despite all the flaws in the movie, it literally argued agaisnt all the points he meant to make, because
<SporkWitch>
it demonstrated the liberal, small-government "utopia" that the book was actually about
<SporkWitch>
the book is one WELL worth reading, not just because it's one of THE classics of science fiction (it, along with Forever War, and Old Man's War, are generally regarded as THE three great works of military science fiction), but becaus it's show, explains itself well, and the actual message is one of personal responsibility, looking out for one's family first, then friends, then wider from there.
<SporkWitch>
On top of that, like the other two mentioned in parens, it is a work of its time. Heinlein was a Navy veteran, and Starship Troopers was written just after WW2, published in the 50s. The Forever War was bay Joe Haldeman, a Vietnam veteran, and dealing with the issues of dissociation he felt when he came home (I didn't experience anything like he did in Vietnam, but it still hit for me, because
<SporkWitch>
even without that level of trauma, it was still jarring coming back to the US, because of what people just don't understand, because they've always been in the US and safe)
<SporkWitch>
Old Man's War is a bit of an exception, the author is not a veteran, but once again, it captured a lot about the time it was written, a little after 2011-09-11, and the corruption of corporations and government, and how they manipulate the people and force wars for their own profit
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<funkenstein>
;mission
<LunchBot>
the K in Kmath means that Kmath is actually Kountdown in disguise because illuminati. You suffer terminal acronym poisoning.
<Althego>
currently doesnt seem to be working out, but maybe a launch
<SporkWitch>
S(crub)- time is what?
<JVFoxy>
... I'd say 'stay positive'...
<SporkWitch>
hold extended again lol
<SporkWitch>
(posted by NASA itself in the chat stream)
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<darsie>
.
<SporkWitch>
still on hold
<SporkWitch>
my KSP mods give a more realistic visual than what they're showing right now lol
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<SporkWitch>
still on hold lol
<JVFoxy>
they were expecting a little over an hour hold since it started
<SporkWitch>
well i have work in the morning, and i'm gonna bet it scrubs again
<JVFoxy>
rock.. we are go
<Althego>
what, it lqaunched
<JVFoxy>
rwar.. lauch, gogogogogogo
<JVFoxy>
was anxious quite a bit..
<JVFoxy>
It finally goes!
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<funkenstein>
;mission
<LunchBot>
You plug your computer into a cheap Chinese power adaptor driven by a lawnmower engine. Your engines overheat while trying to avoid crashing into the sun.
<FLHerne>
I guess you left it too late
<Mat2ch>
!mission
<LunchBot>
Jetpack deorbit to Kerbin. The pedantry is upgraded to didacticism.
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<Guest67592>
hello?
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<Guest67592>
never used this site, is it active or??
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<packbart>
Guest67592: it is somewhat active
<packbart>
there can be quiet times of a few hours );)
<funkenstein>
;mission add Your uranium is somewhat active.
<LunchBot>
Added mission: Your uranium is somewhat active.
<funkenstein>
;mission
<LunchBot>
You sell your soul to The Kraken. On your return the media is only interested in the zero-G toilet.
<packbart>
Soul Flush
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<FLHerne>
> You resolve to rescue all the kerbals you've stranded. Gene Kerman sighs.
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<SporkWitch>
safely in an eccentric kerbin orbit, but not bad at all. managed a really good return, put the periapsis just outside the atmo and had enough to get apoapsis down to 700km. gonna see if the remaining monoprop is enough to deorbit the pod, but worst case there's food and hab enough left they can wait for a rescue
<SporkWitch>
definitely seen that Doctor Who episode :P
<SporkWitch>
interesting, not sure if this is from one of my mods or not, but apparently setting the ship icon to "station" triggers some background ambiance effects; toggled it back to probe and it went away, back to station and it came back. it's like a light machinery hum. kind of a cool touch
<Izaya>
Is there a list of upcoming events in the Artemis 1 mission?
<SporkWitch>
not sure, haven't followed it too closely due to my lack of faith in the SLS
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<Izaya>
"With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine."
<SporkWitch>
everything is air-droppable at least once
<LunchBot>
You go to Clavius crater. But Althego already fixed it incorrectly. Full Stop.
<Althego>
what
<ThatOneGuy>
well, way to go
<ThatOneGuy>
You fixed it incorrectley
<SporkWitch>
i can't tell if the mistake is in the mission or the outcome...
<ThatOneGuy>
...What did you fix?
<SporkWitch>
;mission fixup s/You go to Clavius crater. But Althego already fixed it incorrectly/You go to Clavius crater, but Althego already fixed it incorrectly/
<LunchBot>
No recently-mentioned mission found matching "You go to Clavius crater. But Althego already fixed it incorrectly".
<SporkWitch>
okay, so it's part of the outcome and is just a really bad / weird / incorrect sentence structure
<ThatOneGuy>
ah
<ThatOneGuy>
okay
<ThatOneGuy>
!mission
<LunchBot>
In effort to curb embezzlement, you spend all your funds to convert SolidFuel to FOOF. You miss your burn because the flight computer was spamming you with "system problem detected" dialogs.
<SporkWitch>
i'm inclined to just delete that outcome so it doesn't come up again, it's not a very good one
<ThatOneGuy>
LunchBot ?
<LunchBot>
I am a bot operated by FLHerne. Try !{nextlunch,lunch,lunchmode,nextbook,book,answer,8ball,mission,outcome,stupid,wisdom,quote,colloid,nextcolloid,colloid²,nextfrog,frog,rocks,space!,nextbankruptcy,bankruptcy,nextpinecone,nextyear,nextfire,choose,startup,nextstartup,startup1,startup2,startup3,banlist,help} help.
<ThatOneGuy>
!outcome
<LunchBot>
Why are you like this?
<ThatOneGuy>
OH HELL NO
<SporkWitch>
that was amusingly timed lol
<ThatOneGuy>
YOU DID NOT
<SporkWitch>
keeps bugging the bot and it asks why you're doing it :P
<ThatOneGuy>
!mission
<LunchBot>
You search for Moho's lost atmosphere and mountains. Gene Kerman adds your picture to the Wall Of Shame in R&D.
<ThatOneGuy>
!outcome
<LunchBot>
Kaboom, and the vessel is gone!
<SporkWitch>
doing mission automatically selects an outcome, you don't need to do it separately
<ThatOneGuy>
This sounds like a cleanng comercial
<ThatOneGuy>
"Kaboom, and its gone! Liquid fuel, in stores now!''
<FLHerne>
;outcome fixup s/But //
<LunchBot>
New text is: Althego already fixed it incorrectly. Full Stop.
<ThatOneGuy>
Oh
<ThatOneGuy>
Hey FLHerne
<FLHerne>
Evening
<ThatOneGuy>
!mission
<LunchBot>
You get a gravity assist from Jool. You pass your finals!
<ThatOneGuy>
uhhhhhh...
<ThatOneGuy>
SmArT
<FLHerne>
I guess the finals included flying to Eeloo
<FLHerne>
or into the sun
<ThatOneGuy>
Into, you mean
<SporkWitch>
that's why it's "final"
<FLHerne>
I see
<ThatOneGuy>
Wow
<ThatOneGuy>
!outcome
<LunchBot>
You grow some replacement Jebs in the clone tanks, but they eat each other.
<ThatOneGuy>
Scientific...Cannabalism?
<FLHerne>
that's based on something but I can't remember what
<ThatOneGuy>
!outcome
<LunchBot>
kmath despairs at your choices and resets its database.
<ThatOneGuy>
Mwahahahaha...Why am I here?
<FLHerne>
not really sure
<ThatOneGuy>
!quote
<LunchBot>
"I received full marks and a request not to do it again."
<LunchBot>
Fried egg and mushroom sandwich with potato waffle things.
<ThatOneGuy>
no volkswagen sausage?
<ThatOneGuy>
!stupid
<LunchBot>
"Part of the reason the American army started investigating psychic powers was due to Russian experiments started because they thought Americans were already investigating this."
<ThatOneGuy>
Thats how it feels to gum chew 5
<ThatOneGuy>
<ThatOneGuy>
wait
<ThatOneGuy>
what
<ThatOneGuy>
you can say nothing?
<ThatOneGuy>
<ThatOneGuy>
oh
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<SporkWitch>
I always liked the dig at NASA for spending millions to develop a pen that would write in microgravity, while russia just used a pencil, as if it was dumb on NASA's part, when in reality that conductive graphite dust would build up on the russian craft and contribute to electrical fires
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<Althego>
yesg raphite is bad
<Althego>
you breath it in, it als causes short circuit
<Althego>
also nasa didnt developed the pen, a company did, and still sells it today
<SporkWitch>
wasn't even thinking of breathing it in, that'd be an issue, too
<SporkWitch>
yeah, but it's always attributed to nasa
<SporkWitch>
i was referring specifically to the "fun fact" tidbit form it's typically given in
<FLHerne>
Russia did use grease pencils, which are pretty much crayons
<JVFoxy>
ok weird.. Orion wouldn't be out that far anyways
<JVFoxy>
3 day flight out to the moon, its showing its like 1/3 already. we've not even done a full 24 hours yet
<Mat2ch>
hehe
<Mat2ch>
well
<Mat2ch>
it's Unity ;)
<JVFoxy>
hello my old friend....
<JVFoxy>
well not sure if 'friend' per-say, just .. it gets around
* JVFoxy
watches a rocket shake itself to bits soon as it loads on the pad. Turns out that turning 'rigid connections' setting on the fuel tanks was causing things to freak out. >_<
<JVFoxy>
or not... seems at a certain fuel level, things just.. 'give up'? Thinking clipping tanks to make for a 1 to 4 section rocket isn't making things happy
<JVFoxy>
ok nope.. not clipping tanks doesn't make a diff.. even with auto clipping.. ugh break time anyways. Oddly enough, hadn't gotten a weird stereo bug where engine rumble only comes from one side. (suspect this is cuz I wasn't using stabilizer launch clamps. Noticed they do the bug after doing more than one launch)
<JVFoxy>
... auto clipping.. -> auto strutting (blame lack of coffee)
* raptop
hands JVFoxy a carafe
<Pinkbeast>
Rigid connections rarely help
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<JVFoxy>
seems on or off, didn't matter with this build..
<JVFoxy>
autostrutting caused it to just shake to explosion instantly after loading on the pad. :\
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<SporkWitch>
JVFoxy: it's an eliptical orbit right now, if you play KSP you know that higher apoapsis = lower velocity. Logically it's going to be DECELERATING until it reaches the barycenter between earth and moon, and then speed up again once the moon's gravity becomes the more influential
<SporkWitch>
that is to say, it's going to cover the beginning of the trip out faster than then the middle and end
<SporkWitch>
(approximation, obviously, but it'll be roughly like that)
<SporkWitch>
JVFoxy: as to your rapid unscheduled disassembly issue, i strongly recommend Kerbal Joint Reinforcement. Even without auto-strut and rigid attachment turned on, it pretty much completely eliminates wobble if things are LOGICALLY in a stable configuration. I do still usually auto-strut really large radial boosters, though, because sometimes they can still torque a bit (RL you'd probably have
<SporkWitch>
multiple decouplers, but KSP doesn't actually allow for multiple attachment points, because it represents craft as a tree structure)
<SporkWitch>
Pinkbeast: rigid attachment can help with wobble and flex, but it also makes the joints more brittle, so where without it you do get some flex, the force before breaking is greater, whereas with rigid, you get no or almost no flex, but it breaks off with less force. Once again, Kerbal Joint Reinforcement largely addresses this, and basically makes things that are directly attached to each other
<SporkWitch>
ACTUALLY be attached to each other, not just duct-taped like stock, heh