egg|nomz|egg changed the topic of #kspacademia to: https://gist.github.com/pdn4kd/164b9b85435d87afbec0c3a7e69d3e6d | Dogs are cats. Spiders are cat interferometers. | Космизм сегодня! | Document well, for tomorrow you may get mauled by a ネコバス. | <UmbralRaptor> egg|nomz|egg: generally if your eyes are dewing over, that's not the weather. | <ferram4> I shall beat my problems to death with an engineer.
<whitequark> !wpn egg
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<whitequark> cc Ellied
<egg|observing|egg> UmbralRaptop: also i wonder whether i can do anything useful from here
<egg|observing|egg> speggtra?
<SnoopJeDi> whitequark, I spoke to one of TRIUMF's PIs on their actinium stuff, prospects for a job opening seem very good, and she seemed very keen on our ≥ 10 mA.
<UmbralRaptop> Photometry, anyway. K2/TESS followup. Also, is there an EU equivalent of AAVSO?
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<egg|observing|egg> UmbralRaptop: cursory search brings up http://var.astro.cz/oejv/
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<egg|observing|egg> UmbralRaptop: also this is a thing http://www.gaiagosa.eu/
<egg|observing|egg> seems to be polish
<egg|observing|egg> whitequark: is the diode electroluminescent
<egg|observing|egg> wait no that's french, i mean light-emitting
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<UmbralRaptop> "electroluminescent" is a word in English, though presumably not the right one.
<SilverFox> by electroluminescent, you mean like, an LED?
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<SnoopJeDi> so, I didn't realize how many things were being fixed as constants by CGPM 26. Namely, I didn't know the Boltzmann and Avogadro "constants" were being redefined as such, and that μ0 was being converted to a measureable
<SnoopJeDi> Canada's chief metrologist gave an excellent lecture summarizing the motivations as pertain to the kilogram and solving the problem of Le Grand K
<SnoopJeDi> (he also hilariously had 'ppm' written on a slide that should have read 'ppb' and he chuckled through it by saying "please don't tell my boss")
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<bofh> egg|cell|egg: negatory, my schedule has been a legendary clusterfuck lately.
<iximeow>
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<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn bofh's schedule
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<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn whitequark
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<egg|zzz|egg> !seen *raptor
<Qboid> egg|zzz|egg: I last saw EnthalpicRaptor on [03.05.2018 18:45:16] in #principia saying: "For JP porpoises, can we call katakana upper case? "
<egg|zzz|egg> !seen *raptop
<Qboid> egg|zzz|egg: I last saw UmbralRaptop on [05.05.2018 05:53:39] in #kspunofficial saying: "http://files.consumerfinance.gov/f/documents/201709_cfpb_financial-well-being-in-America.pdf"
<egg|zzz|egg> hm, UmbralRaptor got netsplit
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<egg|zzz|egg> !u ⌉
<Qboid> U+2309 RIGHT CEILING (⌉)
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<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn whitequark
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<whitequark> !wpn egg
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<APlayer> Is that what happens when you try to launch a space plane on a toast instead of boosters?
<kmath> <✔TheSpaceGal> OMG my friend @MaxFagin flew a plane above the fog to watch the #InSight launch and it was the BEST view! Check it… https://t.co/iVCHvcP8qW
<APlayer> Not bad.
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<APlayer> Ooh, nice stuff! https://www.flightclub.io/
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<egg|zzz|egg> !seen lamont
<Qboid> egg|zzz|egg: I last saw lamont on [03.05.2018 18:33:23] in #principia saying: "yep"
* UmbralRaptop wonders why people keep on trying to phish their GMU account.
<UmbralRaptop> RIP, Fulton Gap? http://lanl.arxiv.org/abs/1805.01453
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<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn whitequark, котя, and the котяchrome kitten
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<UmbralRaptop> ;8ball Does credit reporting agencies charging for putting freezes on one's account count as extortion?
<kmath> UmbralRaptop: Ask again later
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<UmbralRaptop> Anyway, TransUnion rejected my attempt to put a freeze on my credit info for Reasons.
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<SnoopJeDi> UmbralRaptop, that...sounds illegal?
<UmbralRaptop> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
<SnoopJeDi> so if you're standing on top of TRIUMF, there's enough stray field to make a paperclip stand straight up in your hand :D
<UmbralRaptop> Meep
<SnoopJeDi> I also snapped a picture of printed-coil steering dipoles at their electron linac that generate so much heat (bc thin conductor) that they have ~1.5" tall radiators attached to the sides LOL
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<UmbralRaptop> SnoopJeDi: link the pics?
<egg|cat|egg> whitequark: you decline russian when using it in an english sentence? https://logs.tmsp.io/kspacademia/2017-07-14#1500049430-1500049460;
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<whitequark> yeah
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<egg|cat|egg> whitequark: how do you combine that with stuff like the saxon genitive though, эта хуйня’s fur, этой хуйни’s fur, этой хуйни fur, the fur этой хуйни?
<whitequark> 1st
<egg|cat|egg> so nominative + the english grammar where english does have a declension-like feature
<egg|cat|egg> hmm
<whitequark> ye
* egg|cat|egg should learn some russian someday
<egg|cat|egg> also some akkadian
<egg|cat|egg> whitequark: what about the case where a declension-like feature is brought about by smol words (e.g. "of", would you say "the fur of эта хуйня" or "the fur of этой хуйни")
<whitequark> 1st
<egg|cat|egg> interesting
<whitequark> "the" really doesn't combine with declension of the russian part
<APlayer> Actually, I would probably tend to use the latter of the two
<egg|cat|egg> huh
<APlayer> But that's purely intuitive on my part, so I may be well mistaken
<APlayer> Aside from the part where we mixed English and Russian, which was the mistake in the first place
<egg|cat|egg> tbh rules for mixing and matching languages and scripts are rather nonexistent :-p
<egg|cat|egg> but it's interesting to see what feels sane to a native speaker
<egg|cat|egg> (of the borrowed language that is)
<APlayer> Also, aside from the fact that I am a native speaker raised in a non-native culture, and tend to avoid strong expressions of this kind.
<egg|cat|egg> APlayer: that's the (former) name of a cat
<APlayer> Then the naming process is the stage at which I would avoid such an expression. ;-)
<egg|cat|egg> (that cat is now called ποрошок аiui)
<egg|cat|egg> (except that was a greek pi for reasons that are unlikely to become clear again)
<APlayer> Is that a Pi, a Russian P or what?
<APlayer> Ah, got it
<egg|cat|egg> it's pi omicron and then cyrillic because I hadn't shift-alted enough and was typing greek
<egg|cat|egg> APlayer: also, would you say "das Fell этой хуйни" or "das Fell эта хуйняs" :-p
<APlayer> Definitely the former
<APlayer> The latter sounds clearly and very wrong
<egg|cat|egg> same tbh
<egg|cat|egg> german likes borrowing foreign grammar for borrowed words
<egg|cat|egg> (Limes, Limites etc.)
<APlayer> I do not quite understand what sort of grammar that is now, but the first option sounds fine (as fine as it can be if you use two languages in one sentence) and the second option is definitely messed up
<APlayer> It's worth noting that I have absolutely zero knowledge of Russian grammar, though. I never learned Russian at school or anything, I was just raised in a Russian speaking family.
<egg|cat|egg> whitequark: we should speak more languages in this channel tbh
<APlayer> Einverstanden.
<SnoopJeDi> UmbralRaptop, will do when I have them all uploaded
<whitequark> egg|cat|egg: alright
<SnoopJeDi> I'm thinking about doing a post-conference braindump as a series of blog posts
<UmbralRaptop> SnoopJeDi: Yay. (to both pics and blogging)
<SnoopJeDi> I need to think about exactly what I'd do if I do follow through on it, I don't want to give myself a whole bunch of work
<SnoopJeDi> but it's also really nice to do post-mortems on this sort of thing, particularly for combing back through references and such that I wrote down
<kmath> <McNutcase> Sometimes, you can make a thing far worse by adding just one letter. Imagine how bad things would be if instead of… https://t.co/Y8nF0iwWRI
<egg|cat|egg> APlayer: 𒀀𒈠𒀝𒂵𒅈
<APlayer> "Tofu-tofu-tofu-tofu-tofu" :P
<APlayer> !u 𒀀𒈠𒀝𒂵𒅈
<Qboid> U+12000 CUNEIFORM SIGN A (𒀀)
<Qboid> U+12220 CUNEIFORM SIGN MA (𒈠)
<Qboid> U+1201D CUNEIFORM SIGN AK (𒀝)
<Qboid> U+120B5 CUNEIFORM SIGN GA (𒂵)
<Qboid> U+12148 CUNEIFORM SIGN IGI RI (𒅈)
<APlayer> Oh.
<APlayer> Well, I guess Cuneiform is outside of my qualification
<egg|cat|egg> APlayer: akkadian cuneiform, a-ma-ag-ga-ar, amaggar, G-stem (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derived_stem) present 1st person singular of magāru http://www.assyrianlanguages.org/akkadian/dosearch.php?searchkey=934&language=id (so, "I agree")
<egg|cat|egg> (assuming I didn't screw up my conjugation and transcription that is)
<APlayer> That's more dedication to linguistics than I have, heh
<APlayer> I'm afraid I have to leave for today, but I'd love to continue this talk tomorrow. :D
<egg|cat|egg> Gute Nacht
<APlayer> Спокойной ночи!
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<egg|cat|egg> UmbralRaptop: going back to zurich tomorrow so last night of observation at ANBO for this time
<egg|cat|egg> what should I observe
<UmbralRaptop> M51?
<UmbralRaptop> M53?
<SnoopJeDi> M'LADEE?
<UmbralRaptop> Please put away the time machine, or explain to Messier that Lunar Atmosphere and Dust Environment Explorer is not a comet.
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<egg|cat|egg> UmbralRaptor: jupiter, bands, callisto io ganymede
<egg|cat|egg> europa should be shadow transiting but I don't think I can see that
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<iximeow> egg|cat|egg: whereabout are you?
<egg|cat|egg> Normandy
<egg|cat|egg> (ANBO)
<iximeow> i *just* realized ANBO means something, though i don't know what that is
<UmbralRaptor> ANBO?
<Qboid> UmbralRaptor: [ANBO] => Anglo-Norman Bovine Observatory
<iximeow> egg|cat|egg: if you're still out around 1am, saturn should be up
<iximeow> (a little right of the moon)
<iximeow> "laser guide cow" lol
<egg|cat|egg> iximeow: iirc that's quite a bit after 1
<egg|cat|egg> it's 00:42 right now
<bofh> rofl "laser guide cow"
<egg|cat|egg> yeah not a chance with the european shadow
<iximeow> :(
<egg|cat|egg> iximeow: 60 mm can only do so much
<egg|cat|egg> UmbralRaptor: are shadow transits diffraction limited at 60 mm or is it a combination of the sky and insufficient focuser petting
<egg|cat|egg> iximeow: saturn would be after 2 i think
<egg|cat|egg> and then a bit more to be decently high in the sky
<UmbralRaptor> egg|cat|egg: unsure.
<UmbralRaptor> !wa Europa diameter
<Qboid> UmbralRaptor: Europa | average diameter: 3121.6 km (kilometers)
<UmbralRaptor> !wa 3121.6/658.671e6*180*3600/3.14159
<Qboid> UmbralRaptor: 3121.6/(658.671×10^6)×180×3600/3.14159: 0.977539261695704345515210187753753490620802519649943079855...
<UmbralRaptor> (I'm not sure what the actual shadow diameter would be at Jupiter, but this does suggest that it's unresolved)
<egg|cat|egg> the shadow diameter is going to be the diameter for all practical purposes i think?
<egg|cat|egg> UmbralRaptor: i think a tree is going to diffraction-limit the entire jovian system anyway
<iximeow> rude
<UmbralRaptor> uh
<UmbralRaptor> !wa 2.44*5e-7/0.06*180*3600/3.14159
<Qboid> UmbralRaptor: 2.44×(5×10^(-7))/0.06×180×3600/3.14159: 4.194054602923997084278979752291037340964288783705066542737...
<egg|cat|egg> a very tall ash tree
* UmbralRaptor 𒄈 the Babylonians with a radian.
<egg|cat|egg> Yggdrasil?
<UmbralRaptor> Yeah, supposedly the airy disks for a 60 mm scope are 4", but I think you can still resolve ε-Lyr.
<egg|cat|egg> UmbralRaptor: ε Lyr sounds like a plan now that Jupiter got treed
<egg|cat|egg> bofh: speaking of double-double
<UmbralRaptor> Please do not destroy a star system with floating point errors.
<UmbralRaptor> Incidentally, if Lyra is high, you should try for M57.
<UmbralRaptor> Currently overcast and 289 K in Fairfax.
<egg|phone|egg> UmbralRaptor: not quite split but definitely double
<egg|cat|egg> UmbralRaptor: finding M57 is probably Fun
<bofh> egg|phone|egg: sec
* UmbralRaptor has found M57 with NAFOscope. In Bortle 9 skies. >_>
<egg|phone|egg> Yeah I found it in zrh too
<egg|phone|egg> But there my scope is a finder, rather than a planetary refractor
<egg|phone|egg> UmbralRaptor: i think I have it
<UmbralRaptor> Yay
<egg|phone|egg> It looks furiously like an out of focus dim star but the surrounding stars are sharp so that must be it
<UmbralRaptor> (But what if we used more power?)
<UmbralRaptor> 13 mm?
<egg|phone|egg> (iirc in the 80mm finder it had some shape but 60mm)
<egg|phone|egg> UmbralRaptor, no 5
<UmbralRaptor> Hrm
<egg|phone|egg> Was too lazy to fetch the 13 so found it in the 5 :-p
<UmbralRaptor> Hah
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