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<SnoopJeDi>
bofh, there's an Alexa/Home idea for the Omnibenevolvent Corporate Entities: "huh, that's interesting" overheard is IFTTT'd into a new github issue is opened for the app currently in use :P
<bofh>
Okay this time it actually did the ReplaceWithReference
<bofh>
I am good at things
<bofh>
Still only one glyph that's a circle BUT this time it actually shrank the fontsize a bit
<bofh>
Honestly if one split out glyph components from the glyphs in that font ReplaceWithReference() could prolly shrink it a ton, but I can't be arsed atm.
<bofh>
Also the way FontForge implements ReplaceWithReference() is horrifying but OTOH is anyone surprised?
<egg|zzz|egg>
bofh: yeah it seems that this is some early numeral thing?
<kmath>
<bofh453> What would no-scoping a grant proposal even entail? :P https://t.co/5KRkRmfWj7
<egg|zzz|egg>
bofh: I managed to get down to χ² = 92740.452654 :D
<egg|zzz|egg>
reached χ² = 78364.998720
<egg|zzz|egg>
that's still a silly P value :-p
<egg|zzz|egg>
bofh: so it seems that trappist paper uses an МCMC method which is somehow evolutionary too, and I'm using a genetic algorithm which is now equipped with a fancy annealing schedule
<egg|zzz|egg>
bofh: is everybody just gluing random bits on optimization methods until they optimize?
<egg|zzz|egg>
"NNPDF determines PDFs using as an unbiased modeling tool Neural Networks, trained using Genetic Algorithms, and used to construct a Monte Carlo representation of PDFs and their uncertainties" okay yes
<bofh>
ROFL
<UmbralRaptor>
Buzzword bingo time?
<SnoopJeDi>
"Protons are hard so we let machines lie to us about them"
<egg|zzz|egg>
bofh: btw, χ² = 78365 apparently corresponds to log P = -38257 :-p
<SnoopJeDi>
oh wow neat, one of the PIs of NNPDF wrote a review paper on spin physics that talks about a future EIC https://arxiv.org/abs/1801.04842
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<bofh>
egg|zzz|egg: NICE
<UmbralRaptor>
SnoopJeDi: something about protons being a gluey mess internally?
<SnoopJeDi>
yup
<SnoopJeDi>
UmbralRaptor, PDFs are a distributional way to characterize the soup. "What is the probability of finding a particle at $(x, Q^2)$
<bofh>
okay it's half my face and a copy of Golub & van Loan
<bofh>
which means it's extremely me
<SnoopJeDi>
so apparently there's an entire subreddit for learning the language of the beltalowda from The Expanse o.O
<bofh>
I mean I subscribe to /r/conlangs, nothing about that surprises me. :P
<egg|zzz|egg>
bofh: yay bofh, golub, & van loan
<dx>
bofh: cute
<SnoopJeDi>
I only barely know conlangs exist bofh so it's a surprise
<SnoopJeDi>
And I'm also still *reeling* with how good The Expanse is. We finished Season 2 yesterday, and I intend to start the first book Sometime Soon™
* iximeow
pets bofh
<iximeow>
incidentally i also posted a me recently
* UmbralRaptor
wonders if the milky way would be a peculiar galaxy if viewed from the outside.
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<egg|work|egg>
!wpn UmbralRaptor
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<UmbralRaptor>
Does retrobop now look like a menger sponge?
<UmbralRaptor>
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<egg|work|egg>
UmbralRaptor: do you do eggsoplanet things
<egg|work|egg>
do you know how to find a system that matches transit observations with a P values whose log has less than five digits :-p
<UmbralRaptor>
uh
* UmbralRaptor
is unsure.
<egg|work|egg>
bofh: so, more on that degree typesetting rabbit hole
<bofh>
egg|work|egg: oh?
<egg|work|egg>
bofh: the Lexique mentions that in geographic coordinates, one uses decimal subdivisions of non-decimal submultiples
<egg|work|egg>
which in and of itself is no news
<egg|work|egg>
bofh: but it gives the example 32° 45′,6 N
<egg|work|egg>
which feels weird
<egg|work|egg>
but then it makes sense
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<egg|work|egg>
bofh: should reply to that degree thread when I get home
<egg|work|egg>
bofh: I may have been thrown into a typesetting rabbit hole
<bofh>
gg
<egg|work|egg>
bofh: I blame canadians
<egg|work|egg>
bofh: what do en-CA styleguides say about degrees
<egg|work|egg>
(or fr-CA for that matter)
<bofh>
I have no idea, I used en-US styleguides even while in .ca :P
<egg|work|egg>
bofh: hopefully you override that with SI style where the SI brochure has an opinion though, instead of using numbers with too many commas :-p
<bofh>
Well, duh.
<bofh>
imho a number should have 0 (zero) or fewer commas.
<egg|work|egg>
bofh: nah one is fine
* egg|work|egg
gives bofh a floating comma
<UmbralRaptor>
comma: a point with error bars.
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<egg|work|egg>
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<egg|work|egg>
whitequark: so you're right: In normal use, it is better to represent degrees Celsius “°C” with a sequence of U+00B0
<egg|work|egg>
degree sign + U+0043 latin capital letter c, rather than U+2103 degree celsius
<bofh>
Yeah, I think you found exactly the thing wq quoted to me many months ago, thanks. :3
<egg|work|egg>
bofh: but numero is not deprecated, it's just Cyrl-only
<egg|work|egg>
bofh: of course, "Despite its name, U+2118 script capital p is neither script nor capital"
<egg|work|egg>
bofh: wait U+2113 is also fine in mathematical notation?! "U+2113 script small l is derived from a special italic form of the lowercase letter l and, when it occurs in mathematical notation, is known as the symbol ell. Use U+1D4C1 mathematical script small l as the lowercase script l for mathematical notation"
<bofh>
Well it seems to say use U+1D4C1
<bofh>
but like, it makes sense that people use U+2113, it's the exact same glyph and in the BMP instead of an astral plane char. :P
<egg|work|egg>
bofh: nah, it says that 2113 is the symbol ell in maths, distinct from a lowercase script l
<egg|work|egg>
bofh: so treating it as e.g. Weierstrass p, a distinct symbol which is not in the usual alphabets
<egg|work|egg>
(it's obvious that Weierstrass p isn't a script smol p)
<bofh>
(well duh, a script smol p doesn't bring back PTSD memories of Elliptic Functions :P)
<egg|work|egg>
bofh: I think the complaint from Ireland that unifying 2113 and 1D4C1 was incorrect (which led to 1D4C1 being encoded) pointed out that the script alphabet could have a different glyph for l
<egg|work|egg>
(which makes sense, there are a lot of script fonts out there)
<bofh>
egg|work|egg: I find it incredibly weird to read papers not in Computer Modern or a monospace typewriter font, I blame habituation.
<egg|work|egg>
bofh: okay if you find it OK to read mathematics typeset with a typewriter you should probably consult a typesetting professional
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<bofh>
egg|work|egg: I find it *tolerable* simply b/c it's something I'm familiar with, most of the pre-TeX math is typeset in something resembling Courier, prolly indicating it's typeset on a literal typewriter & scanned in. :P
<iximeow>
!wpn egg
* Qboid
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<egg|work|egg>
bofh: yeah there's a lot of 60s stuff that's done with a typewriter and greek letters/special symbols by hand
<egg|work|egg>
bofh: the Bourbaki seminar is a good example
<egg|work|egg>
bofh: I wouldn't say "most of the pre-TeX math" though
<egg|work|egg>
bofh: early 20th century and before is usually typeset by printers who actually know how to do things
<egg|work|egg>
(and in general their type doesn't resemble computer modern)
<kmath>
<eggleroy> @bofh453 @Tiffnixen @rygorous @stephentyrone I don’t really know of any books on that specific subject; I would rec… https://t.co/Zg2j4koeBa
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<bofh>
egg: <shrug> I had no idea, and it seemed like a topic that a wikipedia article or two would suffice for, but maybe you had a better suggestion? :P
<bofh>
you do much more geometry in R^4 than I do, after all :P
<egg>
bofh: so I would say "Read the article on the Hopf fibration, and if you manage to get an intuition of what's going on you'll be fine"
<egg>
but the prereq to understanding the article is differential geometry so,
<SnoopJeDi>
Kinda hard to say without knowing what geometry they're referring to
<SnoopJeDi>
Roblox suggests a game dev treatise might be most helpful? Dunno which ones are the beloved ones though
<SnoopJeDi>
err, a rendering treatise*
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<APlayer>
Well, that's getting ridiculous. They are debating about Pluto's planet status for decades, and now comes a guy and says "It's a comet".
<APlayer>
Or a bunch of comets, which, for the context, is equivalent
<SnoopJeDi>
At the risk of complimenting NDT, I do rather like his take on Pluto: if brought in towards the Sun, it'd grow a tail, and “That’s no way for a planet to behave!”
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<egg>
!wpn bofh
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gives bofh an expected jellyfish
<APlayer>
Well, as far as Pluto is concerned, water ice may be solid bedrock
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<SnoopJeDi>
bofh, btw this is up your alley: this person has a REALLY good blog on composition of interactive paintings for classic adventure games: http://ben304.blogspot.com/
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<bofh>
egg: I know, that's an oversight on the part of the artist :P
<bofh>
UmbralRaptop: Feynman diagrams used as decorations/wall art on university campus buildings (with the respective campuses being indicated next to the scattering diagrams shown).
<bofh>
I need to take a pic of UIUC's at some point.
<UmbralRaptop>
bofh: ah, I had assumed it was some sort of commentary on the academics.
<bofh>
also I like how mentally I was like "please don't be the flavourtown one b/c I myself have no idea what on earth the context for that one is"
<bofh>
egg: if I add Higham, Olver's asymptotics text and like, Numerical Recipies or somesuch, sure :P
<bofh>
Iskierka: I once had green hair, amusingly.
<bofh>
(I am dyeing it soon, just blue this time)
<bofh>
today's hatred: microwaves that accepted entered time modulo fucked-up 100, but display modulo 60
<SnoopJeDi>
ssssss
<bofh>
so entering in "59" gives you 59 seconds, but entering in "101" gives you 1 minute 1 second.
<Iskierka>
... how long does 2:80 run for?
<Iskierka>
I would try dye but my hair seems too damaged to safely accept it
<bofh>
mine is a pain in the arse to dye b/c it's astoundingly colourfast.
<SnoopJeDi>
bofh, my gf wore pink tips for a bit, then purple, and as it aged she acquired quite an impressive hint of green to it
<bofh>
Iskierka: 3 minutes 20 seconds, but it displays as "2:80" & counts down from there, but once it hits 2:00 the next time is 1:59
<Iskierka>
aaa
<bofh>
it's like the worst of all possible worlds
<iximeow>
bofh: microwave model? i need to know what to get for a friend
<Iskierka>
we had one from like the 80s that was capable of rejecting nonsense
<bofh>
iximeow: Panasonic NN-SA651S
<Iskierka>
(after a power cut once me and sister couldn't get it usable because it demanded an input for the clock, and neither of us realised it wanted 12-hour time)
<iximeow>
\o/
<iximeow>
"Rating: 1.7 - 21 reviews"
<iximeow>
hahahaha
<Iskierka>
was just about to mention that
<Iskierka>
huh looking it up the one we had was a panasonic
<Iskierka>
what's with this regression guys?
<SnoopJeDi>
bofh, are you familiar with Xenakis, btw?
<SnoopJeDi>
I listened to Pithoprakta last night and it was...a ride.
<egg>
!u ' '
<Qboid>
U+0027 APOSTROPHE (')
<Qboid>
U+00A0 NO-BREAK SPACE ( )
<Qboid>
U+0027 APOSTROPHE (')
<egg>
!u ° 4
<Qboid>
U+00B0 DEGREE SIGN (°)
<Qboid>
U+0020 SPACE (␠)
<Qboid>
U+0034 DIGIT FOUR (4)
<egg>
grmbl
<egg>
!u ° 4
<Qboid>
U+00B0 DEGREE SIGN (°)
<Qboid>
U+00A0 NO-BREAK SPACE ( )
<Qboid>
U+0034 DIGIT FOUR (4)
<egg>
!u ° 4
<Qboid>
U+00B0 DEGREE SIGN (°)
<Qboid>
U+00A0 NO-BREAK SPACE ( )
<Qboid>
U+0034 DIGIT FOUR (4)
<egg>
ok good.
<bofh>
SnoopJeDi: YEP
<bofh>
I actually heard works of Xenakis' in concert!
<SnoopJeDi>
Nice!
<SnoopJeDi>
He was unfamiliar to me until Knuth's talk, the guy who visualized the Fantasia Apocalyptica also did some of his work
<SnoopJeDi>
which is, incidentally, a talk I should send you...
<kmath>
<eggleroy> @alercah @bofh453 The rabbit hole deepens: I looked in the Lexique today (I keep it in the office, so I couldn’t do… https://t.co/XAn1bRajNE
<kmath>
<LizardShad> My labmate: "Liz, you have too few degrees of freedom to pull off that analysis" ⏎ ⏎ Me, an intellectual-in-training:… https://t.co/LA2tNydg8L
<bofh>
egg: might indeed be the case, hm.
<UmbralRaptop>
egg: The TRAPPIST-1 fit has too few degrees of freedom?
<egg>
UmbralRaptop: well I'm keeping some things constant at their mean from some MCMC ensembles to make the parameter space smol
<kmath>
<jamesheathers> WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE. ⏎ WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE. ⏎ WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU PEO… https://t.co/2YAYZz8Mzr
<UmbralRaptop>
I have some vague recollection that bodies in close resonant orbits like the Galilean moons or lots of eggsoplanets need some fancy description that Laplace developed because a, e, LAN, etc change frequently but regularly?
<egg>
swiss criminality: somebody was annoyed at the sound of churchbells, sabotaged the 6:00 ringing with a timed switch
<UmbralRaptop>
bofh: eating a poptart: like eating a pomegranate, but for coming to the US?
<bofh>
UmbralRaptop: hey I LIKE pomegranates.
<bofh>
egg: yikes
<bofh>
egg: that's hilarious tho.
<bofh>
UmbralRaptop: I have a similar vague recollection re: resonant orbits and their correct treatment, but hell if I can remember *any* details of it.
<UmbralRaptop>
"osculating" shows up also. Bonus points if we get egg to cite a paper from the 1700s.
<bofh>
I feel like egg citing a paper from the 1700s results in winning *some* sort of prize, just not sure which.
<egg>
bofh: took them more than half a year to find the switch
<egg>
thorough investigation after that too, the police suspected somebody who kept complaining the bells, found DNA evidence on the switch
<kmath>
<Helios748> cat is mad I won't give her dinner early so she smacked me in the face with her tail, jumped out of my lap, and trotted off somewhere.
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<kmath>
<SketchesbyBoze> I have eaten the pomegranate seeds ⏎ that I found on a stone ⏎ and which you were probably using ⏎ to imprison me in the… https://t.co/fyHMX3X5ln
<egg>
UmbralRaptop: bofh: what is it with pomegranates
<bofh>
egg: Περσεφόνη :P
<egg>
oh I had forgotten about that
<UmbralRaptop>
What bofh typed.
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