egg|nomz|egg changed the topic of #kspacademia to: https://gist.github.com/pdn4kd/164b9b85435d87afbec0c3a7e69d3e6d | Dogs are cats. Spiders are cat interferometers. | Космизм сегодня! | Document well, for tomorrow you may get mauled by a ネコバス. | <UmbralRaptor> egg|nomz|egg: generally if your eyes are dewing over, that's not the weather. | <ferram4> I shall beat my problems to death with an engineer.
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<UmbralRaptop>
"If your experiment needs statistics to interpret it, you should've done a better experiment." -- Ernest Rutherford
<SilverFox>
I feel like this is true, but I'd like an example of it
<kmath>
<bofh453> "...okay, WTF does the sheet music for that look like?" ⏎ "behold!" ⏎ "...are you *SURE* this isn't Fairies Aire & Deat… https://t.co/zBr9XNN62u
<UmbralRaptop>
bofh: Is it bad that I saw the note density and automatically assumed black midi and/or Liszt?
<bofh>
UmbralRaptop: I mean that is pretty much the reaction to have tbqh.
<bofh>
it's either bullshit music specifically designed to be as hard as possible, or black midi. :P
<UmbralRaptop>
heh
<bofh>
oh gods that's a 35 half-step jump in one of those bars, jesus tapdancing christ
<iximeow>
o_0
<bofh>
I mean it literally swaps clefs for A SINGLE NOTE
<bofh>
A SINGLE QUARTER NOTE AT 120BPM-ish.
<Ellied>
aaaaaaa
<Ellied>
I feel like this is straddling the line between music and pian(ist|o) abuse
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<egg>
!pet whitequark
* Qboid
pets whitequark
<egg>
!pet bofh
* Qboid
pets bofh
<iximeow>
!pet Qboid
* Qboid
pets Qboid
<egg>
!pet iximeow
* Qboid
pets iximeow
* iximeow
purr
<egg>
!wpn iximeow
* Qboid
gives iximeow a hyperbolic corrosive croissant
* iximeow
nom
<egg>
!wpn -add:adj signaling
<Qboid>
egg: Adjective already added!
<egg>
!wpn -add:adj quiet
<Qboid>
egg: Adjective already added!
<egg>
!wpn -add:adj dead
<Qboid>
egg: Adjective added!
<egg>
!wpn -add:wpn beef
<Qboid>
egg: Weapon added!
<egg>
!wpn bofh
* Qboid
gives bofh a raster optocoupler/halberd hybrid
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<kmath>
<KhaledGhetas> Users: please provide proper text layout supporting world scripts: ⏎ ⏎ Devs: that is too complex, you who need this sh… https://t.co/BCTPFkY6lY
<egg>
(not just text layout tbh)
<egg>
!pet whitequark
<Qboid>
(1,2): error CS1660: Cannot convert `lambda expression' to non-delegate type `object'
<Qboid>
System.Func`1[System.String]
<Qboid>
(1,2): error CS0103: The name `bofhtime' does not exist in the current context
* Qboid
pets whitequark
UmbralRaptop is now known as NomalRaptor
<egg>
!pet NomalRaptor
* Qboid
pets NomalRaptor
* NomalRaptor
purrs. (Albeit, in that way that stressed cats sometimes do.)
<NomalRaptor>
With the amount of mistakes I'm making on these E&M problems, you'd think that I was some sort of crank. =\
<SnoopJeDi>
egg, bofh I found this paper from IPAC interesting, particularly because of the large difference in number of macroparticles necessary to get a solution: http://ipac2018.vrws.de/papers/thpak086.pdf
<SnoopJeDi>
tl;dr *assume* laminar (4D) Vlasov flow and interpolate \vec{j} between the macroparticles instead of directly depositing charge using a shape function
<APlayer>
"It has not escaped our notice that the specific physical computations we have so far implemented are directly suggestive of a possible extension to realise support for angular momentum conservations."
<SnoopJeDi>
yikes
<APlayer>
(Someone tell me if I messed something up in that sentence, aside from it being cheesy)
<egg>
APlayer: I mean the original is "It has not escaped our notice that the specific pairing we have postulated immediately suggests a possible copying mechanism for the genetic material."
<egg>
, so phl's sentence is pretty close
<APlayer>
phl's sentence?
<bofh>
NomalRaptor: why would one *want* adenosine lattes? that sounds unpleasant as fuck. :P
<NomalRaptor>
bofh: he studies flies, of course he's weird.
<egg>
APlayer: in that forum post I linked
<egg>
(pleroy = phl)
<APlayer>
Ah, got it
<egg>
bofh: ???
* egg
seems to be missing context
<egg>
oh that tweet
<egg>
!wpn NomalRaptor
* Qboid
gives NomalRaptor a thermionic camel
<egg>
!wpn bofh
* Qboid
gives bofh a ferroelectric gun
* NomalRaptor
uses the camel as an electron source for a desert sized CRT.
<egg>
amusingly it's thermoionique in french and thermionic in english?
<SnoopJeDi>
egg, isn't -ic <--> -ique a pretty common swap?
<kmath>
<volatile_void> @johnregehr Mine are not very good pics but now I feel compelled to reach 5 https://t.co/0JfTC6QVXV
<egg>
SnoopJeDi: o
<egg>
SnoopJeDi: thermOionique
<SnoopJeDi>
whoops
<SnoopJeDi>
that's closer to aluminium I suppose
* SnoopJeDi
shakes fist at Latin
<egg>
it's aluminium in fr, but it's not thermoionic in en-GB though
<SnoopJeDi>
yea I was referring more to the en-US/en-GB divide on that, but I guess aluminum is too much an outsider in this case
<egg>
it's termoionico in italian
<SnoopJeDi>
it certainly makes more sense from the perspective of Latin, but...ech.
<SnoopJeDi>
I have zero fondness for the inane rules of that language
<egg>
what, english?
<SnoopJeDi>
Latin
<SnoopJeDi>
but touché
<egg>
it's far more sensible :-p
<SnoopJeDi>
"sensible"
<SnoopJeDi>
I think I like German's composition the best, but I don't grok enough of it to really have an opinion
<egg>
compared to the weird dialect of Norman which happens to have germanic grammar,
<SnoopJeDi>
Latin's all well and good...for people who are speaking Latin.
<SnoopJeDi>
but uh
<SnoopJeDi>
don't tell the prescriptivists, but we've moved on
<egg>
oh I'm not talking about prescriptivism, I'm talking about latin
<SnoopJeDi>
I don't see a way to untangle the two
<egg>
...
<NomalRaptor>
Is Latin better or worse than Griffith's for summoning dæmons?
<egg>
looking for "thermoionic" seems to yield a bunch of arxiv papers likely from non-natively english speakers
<SnoopJeDi>
which stands to reason, they're likely fewer degrees separated from Latin
<egg>
"I don't see a way to untangle the two" nobody would ever study an ancient language for a porpoise other than annoying people about the way they speak english
<SnoopJeDi>
I hope that's not what you think I meant?
<egg>
I'm unsure what you meant at all
<SnoopJeDi>
It strikes me as a language with a strong allergy to change over time
<egg>
it strikes me as a dead language, so yes they don't tend to evolve much
<egg>
but then again I wouldn't see the assyriologists as arabic prescriptivists
<SnoopJeDi>
Do you posit it would be flexible if it were still spoken?
<SnoopJeDi>
in the form it had at the time of its death I mean
<egg>
afaict french and italian are spoken
<SnoopJeDi>
And are, notably, not Latin
<SnoopJeDi>
i.e. they support features Latin doesn't
<egg>
...
<SnoopJeDi>
An awful lot of linguistic duct-tape has been used to kludge stuff together from Latin because...well, I'm not really sure why.
<SnoopJeDi>
I guess in the case of French and Italian because imperial conquest made it convenient
<egg>
okay so the fact a bunch of victorian grammarians decided to say things about english based on latin doesn't really make it sensible to say things about the supposed intrinsic merits of a language you don't speak wrt languages you don't speak either
<egg>
nor does akkadian dialects surviving much longer than akkadian mean that sumerian was somehow not able to express things
<egg>
s/akkadian m/sumerian
<egg>
s/akkadian m/sumerian m/
<SnoopJeDi>
I suppose my grievance is with prescriptivism, but as I said I have a lot of difficulty untangling Latin from the same
<Qboid>
egg meant to say: nor does akkadian dialects surviving much longer than sumerianean that sumerian was somehow not able to express things
<Qboid>
egg meant to say: nor does akkadian dialects surviving much longer than sumerian mean that sumerian was somehow not able to express things
<egg>
SnoopJeDi: yes, which is a bit silly as I was attempting to pointing out
<SnoopJeDi>
I'm willing to have my mind changed by someone who knows more than I do
<SnoopJeDi>
(which you most certainly do)
<egg>
english is particularly fun because it becomes so very french starting with middle english (probably frenchier then, though old/middle french)
<egg>
that's where all the latin comes from
<SnoopJeDi>
Of course
<egg>
SnoopJeDi: as for latin, well, at some point the collapse the empire meant fewer contacts keeping it a homogenously-evolving lingua franca, the local dialects diverged (old french is very like late latin which is extremely not classical latin, see e.g. the text at the bottom of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulgar_Latin#History)
<SnoopJeDi>
egg, hmm. I suppose divergence as a means of death is rather diametrically opposed to this notion of prescriptivist inflexibility.
<SnoopJeDi>
unless viewed from a perspective where it's no longer prescriptivist without a central authority
<SnoopJeDi>
(i.e. humans will default to a bazaar when the cathedral implodes)
<SnoopJeDi>
I find it notable that the conscription @FakeUnicode is describing doesn't seem to happen in historical Latin itself, AFAICT. All the examples I know of are in successor languages (but, as you rightly point out, this is potentially just my ignorance of Latin)
<SnoopJeDi>
(and as for akkadian or sumerian, I give! I know nothing of these)
<egg>
well, there is such a thing as classical latin that evolved slower than the vulgar one, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulgar_Latin#History, which is what one learns as Latin (and whatever little Latin I know is that, too)
<egg>
much like, say, the language of legal texts is a weirdly frozen english
<SnoopJeDi>
Exactly!
<egg>
(or procedures or whatever)
<SnoopJeDi>
"Legal language" is the typical idiom for it here, dunno if it has a better name than that
<SnoopJeDi>
I think the legal system suffers even moreso from this phenomenon than does Latin, c.f. "derivative work"
<SnoopJeDi>
or, rather amusingly, what legally consistutes a sidewalk in my municipality
<egg>
(/me notes the use of "c.f." in a discussion about latin)
<SnoopJeDi>
I'm not so stubborn that I will declare that nevermore shall I kiss the lips that have touched Latin
<SnoopJeDi>
that'd just be a dumber form of prescriptivism :)
<egg>
yes, it's just that those latin abbreviations are way more a thing in english than they are in french :D
<SnoopJeDi>
really? interesting
<egg>
cf. is a thing in french, i.e. or e.g. much less so
<SnoopJeDi>
The anglophone obsession with Latin does seem more pathological than the more "natural" evolution of French
<SnoopJeDi>
but then, English is such a bastard tongue...
<egg>
(though with english influence it probably appears more in french)
<SnoopJeDi>
egg, I had a brief exchange with one of the flight attendants on my way out of Calgary about how Merriam-Webster recently included "double-double" from Canadian English
<SnoopJeDi>
(referring to a coffee with two cream, two sugar)
<egg>
ah, not float :-p
<SnoopJeDi>
LOL
<SnoopJeDi>
no, indeed not
<SnoopJeDi>
I swapped her an American idiom: MW also included "wayback" in the last couple of years, referring (in US vernacular) to the rearmost portion of a van or SUV
<SnoopJeDi>
not that MW is a shrine of the language, but even Oxford is susceptible to the gentle pull of linguistic change
<SnoopJeDi>
(which is indeed how the dictionary came to be in the first place)
<kmath>
<whitequark> one day I'll open a bar. Offer sandwiches in sizes: single, half, double, and ppc_f128. Call it "FPU Lounge"
<egg>
whitequark: also this tweet is currently Nice
<SnoopJeDi>
hah
<SnoopJeDi>
egg, did I mention in here that Canada's chief metrologist gave an "entertainment" talk about the 26th CGPM last week?
<SnoopJeDi>
not all that technical or even particularly new information, since the Watt (Kibble?) balance and silicon sphere ideas have been banging around for a while now
<egg>
!wpn rqou
* Qboid
gives rqou an USB demisemiculverin which strongly resembles a reticle
<SnoopJeDi>
appropriate
<egg>
!wpn bofh
* Qboid
gives bofh an eraser
<egg>
bofh: so how do you get that error bound for doubledoubledouble
<bofh>
egg: just a moment (also that's the double-double bound I gave you, I hadn't looked at a doubledoubledouble bound yet)
<egg>
NAIF?
<Qboid>
egg: [NAIF] => Navigation and Ancillary Information Facility
<egg>
SPICE?
<egg>
!acr -add:SPICE Simulation Program with Integrated Circuit Emphasis|Spacecraft Planet Instrument C-matrix Events
<Qboid>
egg: I added the explanation for this acronym.
<egg>
armed_troop: meow :-p
<bofh>
MEOW?
<bofh>
aww
<whitequark>
!wpn egg
* Qboid
gives egg an iron Erdős number with a series attachment
<egg>
!pet bofh
* Qboid
pets bofh
<egg>
!pet whitequark
* Qboid
pets whitequark
<whitequark>
!pet котя
* Qboid
pets котя
<egg>
!pet the котяchrome kitten
* Qboid
pets the котяchrome kitten
<egg>
whitequark: wait, why not коте
<SnoopJeDi>
so apparently there are two types of UFOs in LHC as of last year, they observed a new type that develop a rapid (~10ms) instability
* egg
confused by feline declension
<SnoopJeDi>
and the best way to study them remains "make two types of bunches and drag a wire through them"
<whitequark>
egg: more like !pet котю
<egg>
huh
<egg>
oh derp
<egg>
right
* egg
slaps egg
<egg>
yeah !wpn коте, but !pet котю
* egg
pets whitequark котей
<whitequark>
i am not sure if котя would like that
<egg>
cats object to the instrumental case
<whitequark>
lol
<SnoopJeDi>
heh, the Museum of Applied Arts & Sciences has a sphere from Achim Leistner, who is named as "Fifty years a Master Optician and Atom Masseur"
<egg>
!wpn whitequark, коте, and the котяchrome kitten
* Qboid
gives whitequark, коте, and the котяchrome kitten an isentropic adjoint ㎭
<egg>
whitequark: does the котяchrome kitten have a name btw
* Qboid
gives kmath a monopolar contravariant file-like sonic screwdriver
<SnoopJeDi>
there's a bit of that in Fantasia Apocalyptica, even (different harmonizations of a measure or two are used for the various churches called to mass in Revelations)
<SnoopJeDi>
uh, assuming it's the same ancient hymn to which he was referring >_>