egg|nomz|egg changed the topic of #kspacademia to: https://gist.github.com/pdn4kd/164b9b85435d87afbec0c3a7e69d3e6d | Dogs are cats. Spiders are cat interferometers. | Космизм сегодня! | Document well, for tomorrow you may get mauled by a ネコバス. | <UmbralRaptor> egg|nomz|egg: generally if your eyes are dewing over, that's not the weather. | <ferram4> I shall beat my problems to death with an engineer.
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<UmbralRaptop> "If your experiment needs statistics to interpret it, you should've done a better experiment." -- Ernest Rutherford
<SilverFox> I feel like this is true, but I'd like an example of it
* UmbralRaptop wonders if these numbers line up with other sources. http://www.glaad.org/files/aa/2017_GLAAD_Accelerating_Acceptance.pdf
<UmbralRaptop> SilverFox: I don't entirely agree with the quote, but it was an amusing find.
<bofh> https://twitter.com/bofh453/status/994038859100033026 why yes I do love Franz Liszt, why do you ask?
<kmath> <bofh453> "...okay, WTF does the sheet music for that look like?" ⏎ "behold!" ⏎ "...are you *SURE* this isn't Fairies Aire & Deat… https://t.co/zBr9XNN62u
<UmbralRaptop> bofh: Is it bad that I saw the note density and automatically assumed black midi and/or Liszt?
<bofh> UmbralRaptop: I mean that is pretty much the reaction to have tbqh.
<bofh> it's either bullshit music specifically designed to be as hard as possible, or black midi. :P
<UmbralRaptop> heh
<bofh> oh gods that's a 35 half-step jump in one of those bars, jesus tapdancing christ
<iximeow> o_0
<bofh> I mean it literally swaps clefs for A SINGLE NOTE
<bofh> A SINGLE QUARTER NOTE AT 120BPM-ish.
<Ellied> aaaaaaa
<Ellied> I feel like this is straddling the line between music and pian(ist|o) abuse
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<egg> !pet whitequark
* Qboid pets whitequark
<egg> !pet bofh
* Qboid pets bofh
<iximeow> !pet Qboid
* Qboid pets Qboid
<egg> !pet iximeow
* Qboid pets iximeow
* iximeow purr
<egg> !wpn iximeow
* Qboid gives iximeow a hyperbolic corrosive croissant
* iximeow nom
<egg> !wpn -add:adj signaling
<Qboid> egg: Adjective already added!
<egg> !wpn -add:adj quiet
<Qboid> egg: Adjective already added!
<egg> !wpn -add:adj dead
<Qboid> egg: Adjective added!
<egg> !wpn -add:wpn beef
<Qboid> egg: Weapon added!
<egg> !wpn bofh
* Qboid gives bofh a raster optocoupler/halberd hybrid
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<UmbralRaptop> !wpn -add:adj dead
<Qboid> UmbralRaptop: Adjective already added!
<UmbralRaptop> !wpn -add:adj live
<Qboid> UmbralRaptop: Adjective added!
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<whitequark> !wpn egg
* Qboid gives egg a surface-mount pancake
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<egg> !wpn whitequark
* Qboid gives whitequark a surface-mount grin
<kmath> <Foone> from a friend's facebook. brilliant. https://t.co/OeRRAdbAjM
<kmath> <KhaledGhetas> Users: please provide proper text layout supporting world scripts: ⏎ ⏎ Devs: that is too complex, you who need this sh… https://t.co/BCTPFkY6lY
<egg> (not just text layout tbh)
<egg> !pet whitequark
<Qboid> (1,2): error CS1660: Cannot convert `lambda expression' to non-delegate type `object'
<Qboid> System.Func`1[System.String]
<Qboid> (1,2): error CS0103: The name `bofhtime' does not exist in the current context
* Qboid pets whitequark
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<egg> !pet NomalRaptor
* Qboid pets NomalRaptor
* NomalRaptor purrs. (Albeit, in that way that stressed cats sometimes do.)
<NomalRaptor> With the amount of mistakes I'm making on these E&M problems, you'd think that I was some sort of crank. =\
<SnoopJeDi> egg, bofh I found this paper from IPAC interesting, particularly because of the large difference in number of macroparticles necessary to get a solution: http://ipac2018.vrws.de/papers/thpak086.pdf
<SnoopJeDi> tl;dr *assume* laminar (4D) Vlasov flow and interpolate \vec{j} between the macroparticles instead of directly depositing charge using a shape function
<kmath> <✔mbeisen> are there any effective caffeine antagonists? can i make some kind of adenosine latte or something?
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* egg facepalms at #1800
<Qboid> [#1800] title: Principia makes fps down to 5% without principia | Without using more than 15% CPU 10GB RAM and much graphic card. ... | https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/principia/issues/1800
<egg> unsigned long long man
<NomalRaptor> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
<NomalRaptor> PHL managed to pull off both grumpy and sympathetic, though.
<kmath> <f1ac5> :3 ⏎ "Announcing: MSVC Conforms to the C++ Standard" ⏎ https://t.co/e9dm8AA5Md
<NomalRaptor> Yay?
<egg> NomalRaptor: have you seen https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/162200-meow/&page=41&tab=comments#comment-3373259
<egg> (the first sentence thereof)
<NomalRaptor> "It has not escaped our notice…" heh
<egg> NomalRaptor: the whole sentence structure resembles the original :-p
<egg> whitequark: https://twitter.com/hikari_no_yume/status/994285176388759552 swiss sockets are even more efficient which is annoying because you use half the sockets on a bar when using schuko/french adapters
<kmath> <hikari_no_yume> LOOK AT THIS SPACE EFFICIENCY https://t.co/EXNI8n04QU
<egg> schuko/french to swiss that is
<APlayer> "It has not escaped our notice that the specific physical computations we have so far implemented are directly suggestive of a possible extension to realise support for angular momentum conservations."
<SnoopJeDi> yikes
<APlayer> (Someone tell me if I messed something up in that sentence, aside from it being cheesy)
<egg> APlayer: I mean the original is "It has not escaped our notice that the specific pairing we have postulated immediately suggests a possible copying mechanism for the genetic material."
<egg> , so phl's sentence is pretty close
<APlayer> phl's sentence?
<bofh> NomalRaptor: why would one *want* adenosine lattes? that sounds unpleasant as fuck. :P
<NomalRaptor> bofh: he studies flies, of course he's weird.
<egg> APlayer: in that forum post I linked
<egg> (pleroy = phl)
<APlayer> Ah, got it
<egg> bofh: ???
* egg seems to be missing context
<egg> oh that tweet
<egg> !wpn NomalRaptor
* Qboid gives NomalRaptor a thermionic camel
<egg> !wpn bofh
* Qboid gives bofh a ferroelectric gun
* NomalRaptor uses the camel as an electron source for a desert sized CRT.
<egg> amusingly it's thermoionique in french and thermionic in english?
<SnoopJeDi> egg, isn't -ic <--> -ique a pretty common swap?
<kmath> <volatile_void> @johnregehr Mine are not very good pics but now I feel compelled to reach 5 https://t.co/0JfTC6QVXV
<egg> SnoopJeDi: o
<egg> SnoopJeDi: thermOionique
<SnoopJeDi> whoops
<SnoopJeDi> that's closer to aluminium I suppose
* SnoopJeDi shakes fist at Latin
<egg> it's aluminium in fr, but it's not thermoionic in en-GB though
<SnoopJeDi> yea I was referring more to the en-US/en-GB divide on that, but I guess aluminum is too much an outsider in this case
<egg> it's termoionico in italian
<SnoopJeDi> it certainly makes more sense from the perspective of Latin, but...ech.
<SnoopJeDi> I have zero fondness for the inane rules of that language
<egg> what, english?
<SnoopJeDi> Latin
<SnoopJeDi> but touché
<egg> it's far more sensible :-p
<SnoopJeDi> "sensible"
<SnoopJeDi> I think I like German's composition the best, but I don't grok enough of it to really have an opinion
<egg> compared to the weird dialect of Norman which happens to have germanic grammar,
<SnoopJeDi> Latin's all well and good...for people who are speaking Latin.
<SnoopJeDi> but uh
<SnoopJeDi> don't tell the prescriptivists, but we've moved on
<egg> oh I'm not talking about prescriptivism, I'm talking about latin
<SnoopJeDi> I don't see a way to untangle the two
<egg> ...
<NomalRaptor> Is Latin better or worse than Griffith's for summoning dæmons?
<egg> looking for "thermoionic" seems to yield a bunch of arxiv papers likely from non-natively english speakers
<SnoopJeDi> which stands to reason, they're likely fewer degrees separated from Latin
<egg> "I don't see a way to untangle the two" nobody would ever study an ancient language for a porpoise other than annoying people about the way they speak english
<SnoopJeDi> I hope that's not what you think I meant?
<egg> I'm unsure what you meant at all
<SnoopJeDi> It strikes me as a language with a strong allergy to change over time
<egg> it strikes me as a dead language, so yes they don't tend to evolve much
<egg> but then again I wouldn't see the assyriologists as arabic prescriptivists
<SnoopJeDi> Do you posit it would be flexible if it were still spoken?
<SnoopJeDi> in the form it had at the time of its death I mean
<egg> afaict french and italian are spoken
<SnoopJeDi> And are, notably, not Latin
<SnoopJeDi> i.e. they support features Latin doesn't
<egg> ...
<SnoopJeDi> An awful lot of linguistic duct-tape has been used to kludge stuff together from Latin because...well, I'm not really sure why.
<SnoopJeDi> I guess in the case of French and Italian because imperial conquest made it convenient
<egg> okay so the fact a bunch of victorian grammarians decided to say things about english based on latin doesn't really make it sensible to say things about the supposed intrinsic merits of a language you don't speak wrt languages you don't speak either
<egg> nor does akkadian dialects surviving much longer than akkadian mean that sumerian was somehow not able to express things
<egg> s/akkadian m/sumerian
<egg> s/akkadian m/sumerian m/
<SnoopJeDi> I suppose my grievance is with prescriptivism, but as I said I have a lot of difficulty untangling Latin from the same
<Qboid> egg meant to say: nor does akkadian dialects surviving much longer than sumerianean that sumerian was somehow not able to express things
<Qboid> egg meant to say: nor does akkadian dialects surviving much longer than sumerian mean that sumerian was somehow not able to express things
<egg> SnoopJeDi: yes, which is a bit silly as I was attempting to pointing out
<SnoopJeDi> I'm willing to have my mind changed by someone who knows more than I do
<SnoopJeDi> (which you most certainly do)
<egg> english is particularly fun because it becomes so very french starting with middle english (probably frenchier then, though old/middle french)
<egg> that's where all the latin comes from
<SnoopJeDi> Of course
<egg> SnoopJeDi: as for latin, well, at some point the collapse the empire meant fewer contacts keeping it a homogenously-evolving lingua franca, the local dialects diverged (old french is very like late latin which is extremely not classical latin, see e.g. the text at the bottom of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulgar_Latin#History)
<kmath> <FakeUnicode> Here is a fun one only 1590s kids will remember: ⏎ https://t.co/4lzuDb9C3X https://t.co/pOTZSzL5l2
<SnoopJeDi> egg, hmm. I suppose divergence as a means of death is rather diametrically opposed to this notion of prescriptivist inflexibility.
<SnoopJeDi> unless viewed from a perspective where it's no longer prescriptivist without a central authority
<SnoopJeDi> (i.e. humans will default to a bazaar when the cathedral implodes)
<SnoopJeDi> I find it notable that the conscription @FakeUnicode is describing doesn't seem to happen in historical Latin itself, AFAICT. All the examples I know of are in successor languages (but, as you rightly point out, this is potentially just my ignorance of Latin)
<SnoopJeDi> (and as for akkadian or sumerian, I give! I know nothing of these)
<egg> well, there is such a thing as classical latin that evolved slower than the vulgar one, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulgar_Latin#History, which is what one learns as Latin (and whatever little Latin I know is that, too)
<egg> much like, say, the language of legal texts is a weirdly frozen english
<SnoopJeDi> Exactly!
<egg> (or procedures or whatever)
<SnoopJeDi> "Legal language" is the typical idiom for it here, dunno if it has a better name than that
<SnoopJeDi> I think the legal system suffers even moreso from this phenomenon than does Latin, c.f. "derivative work"
<SnoopJeDi> or, rather amusingly, what legally consistutes a sidewalk in my municipality
<egg> (/me notes the use of "c.f." in a discussion about latin)
<SnoopJeDi> I'm not so stubborn that I will declare that nevermore shall I kiss the lips that have touched Latin
<SnoopJeDi> that'd just be a dumber form of prescriptivism :)
<egg> yes, it's just that those latin abbreviations are way more a thing in english than they are in french :D
<SnoopJeDi> really? interesting
<egg> cf. is a thing in french, i.e. or e.g. much less so
<SnoopJeDi> The anglophone obsession with Latin does seem more pathological than the more "natural" evolution of French
<SnoopJeDi> but then, English is such a bastard tongue...
<egg> (though with english influence it probably appears more in french)
<SnoopJeDi> egg, I had a brief exchange with one of the flight attendants on my way out of Calgary about how Merriam-Webster recently included "double-double" from Canadian English
<SnoopJeDi> (referring to a coffee with two cream, two sugar)
<egg> ah, not float :-p
<SnoopJeDi> LOL
<SnoopJeDi> no, indeed not
<SnoopJeDi> I swapped her an American idiom: MW also included "wayback" in the last couple of years, referring (in US vernacular) to the rearmost portion of a van or SUV
<SnoopJeDi> not that MW is a shrine of the language, but even Oxford is susceptible to the gentle pull of linguistic change
<SnoopJeDi> (which is indeed how the dictionary came to be in the first place)
<SnoopJeDi> um, that and the very strange person W.C. Minor was
<egg> doesn't have wayback tho
<SnoopJeDi> interesting that it's included under "US"
<egg> but marked Canadian
<SnoopJeDi> yea. I guess Oxford can't be bothered to give CA its own subset
<egg> cc bofh
<SnoopJeDi> the only double-double in US english I'm aware of is a burger from an overrated California restaurant chain
<SnoopJeDi> (an overly strong opinion I doubt I will be swayed on)
<egg> a ppc_f128 burger,
<kmath> <lycheecola> 600 liters of books https://t.co/QTjbufW7vf
<kmath> <whitequark> one day I'll open a bar. Offer sandwiches in sizes: single, half, double, and ppc_f128. Call it "FPU Lounge"
<egg> whitequark: also this tweet is currently Nice
<SnoopJeDi> hah
<SnoopJeDi> egg, did I mention in here that Canada's chief metrologist gave an "entertainment" talk about the 26th CGPM last week?
<SnoopJeDi> not all that technical or even particularly new information, since the Watt (Kibble?) balance and silicon sphere ideas have been banging around for a while now
<egg> !wpn rqou
* Qboid gives rqou an USB demisemiculverin which strongly resembles a reticle
<SnoopJeDi> appropriate
<egg> !wpn bofh
* Qboid gives bofh an eraser
<egg> bofh: so how do you get that error bound for doubledoubledouble
<bofh> egg: just a moment (also that's the double-double bound I gave you, I hadn't looked at a doubledoubledouble bound yet)
<egg> NAIF?
<Qboid> egg: [NAIF] => Navigation and Ancillary Information Facility
<egg> SPICE?
<egg> !acr -add:SPICE Simulation Program with Integrated Circuit Emphasis|Spacecraft Planet Instrument C-matrix Events
<Qboid> egg: I added the explanation for this acronym.
<egg> armed_troop: meow :-p
<bofh> MEOW?
<bofh> aww
<whitequark> !wpn egg
* Qboid gives egg an iron Erdős number with a series attachment
<egg> !pet bofh
* Qboid pets bofh
<egg> !pet whitequark
* Qboid pets whitequark
<whitequark> !pet котя
* Qboid pets котя
<egg> !pet the котяchrome kitten
* Qboid pets the котяchrome kitten
<egg> whitequark: wait, why not коте
<SnoopJeDi> so apparently there are two types of UFOs in LHC as of last year, they observed a new type that develop a rapid (~10ms) instability
* egg confused by feline declension
<SnoopJeDi> and the best way to study them remains "make two types of bunches and drag a wire through them"
<whitequark> egg: more like !pet котю
<egg> huh
<egg> oh derp
<egg> right
* egg slaps egg
<egg> yeah !wpn коте, but !pet котю
* egg pets whitequark котей
<whitequark> i am not sure if котя would like that
<egg> cats object to the instrumental case
<whitequark> lol
<SnoopJeDi> heh, the Museum of Applied Arts & Sciences has a sphere from Achim Leistner, who is named as "Fifty years a Master Optician and Atom Masseur"
<egg> !wpn whitequark, коте, and the котяchrome kitten
* Qboid gives whitequark, коте, and the котяchrome kitten an isentropic adjoint ㎭
<egg> whitequark: does the котяchrome kitten have a name btw
<whitequark> egg: nope
<whitequark> hardest problem in computing science
<egg> I mean котяchrome is a fine name :-p
<bofh> today's random discovery: music in Sumerian: https://soundcloud.com/newsweek-tech-science/the-flood-1
* egg doubles bofh
<egg> bofh: oh nice, played on one of those cow lyres
<egg> bofh: on a more modern note, i assume you have heard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yhmYbuIEPM ?
<egg> (many versions out there https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mIXEBxW89s)
<egg> !wpn kmath
* Qboid gives kmath a monopolar contravariant file-like sonic screwdriver
<SnoopJeDi> there's a bit of that in Fantasia Apocalyptica, even (different harmonizations of a measure or two are used for the various churches called to mass in Revelations)
<SnoopJeDi> uh, assuming it's the same ancient hymn to which he was referring >_>
<kmath> YouTube - ELUVEITIE - Omnos (OFFICIAL MUSIC VIDEO)
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<egg> !wpn bofh
* Qboid gives bofh a sigma sinusoidal number
<bofh> egg: just a moment, like, kinda disorganized atm
* egg reduces bofh's entropy
<kmath> <MemesSurreal> Always on those Computationals https://t.co/KLtRPdeqRW
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<egg|zzz|egg> bofh: the character references are read by twirling a leek https://twitter.com/bofh453/status/994357046815281152
<kmath> <bofh453> man, the Finnish alphabet really is weird. https://t.co/FhDk7qdYAD
<kmath> <f1ac5> learning how to fish https://t.co/y2gi38Xhbh
<iximeow> meow
<iximeow> it is in fact the same fish