egg|principia|egg changed the topic of #kspmodders to: Welcome to #kspmooders | <Majiir> egg is pretty much just a chickenfetus until you start talking about floating point | <SilverFox> "little" doesn't seem like a real word to me right now
<SilverFox>
sounds like a bad time
<Greys>
FOR YUUUUUUU
<SilverFox>
no u
<Greys>
you have to do it in the bane voice
<SilverFox>
</bane>
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<Greys>
either somebody is dribbling a basketball incredibly loudly, or explosions
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<SilverFox>
wtf is up with these error codes lately
<Greys>
god is saddened by your rampent anal masturbation, and punishes you thusly
<SilverFox>
god can go suck a dick
<Greys>
indeed he can, however he is better than that
<SilverFox>
is god gendered?
<Greys>
when he feels like it
<Greys>
which is usually when he thinks about people who are masturbating
<SilverFox>
that's pretty creepy
<SilverFox>
and he's always watching right?
<Greys>
when he feels like it
<SilverFox>
so that's a now
<SilverFox>
no*
<Greys>
god exists outside of time, so as far as your experience of time goes, yes, always watching
<SilverFox>
nothing exists outside spacetime
<Greys>
for certain defitions of thing
<SilverFox>
what is a thing?
<Greys>
well, for one, god is not a thing
<SilverFox>
if we get to the definition of a thing, yes, god is a thing
<Greys>
things exist inside spacetime
<SilverFox>
a thing, is a noun
<SilverFox>
a god, is a noun as well
<Greys>
things can be proven to exist or not exist
<SilverFox>
LANGUAGE IS JUST WEIRD SOUNDS WE MAKE AT EACH OTHER
<Greys>
so is cunnilingus
<SilverFox>
ohboy
<SilverFox>
Djohaal, you're an insanity specialist. What you think of otherkin? people whom believe they are animals/non-human things.
<SilverFox>
Have you had to deal with any of them?
<Djohaal>
thankfully that bullshit is not trendy in brazil
<SilverFox>
hahhaha
<Greys>
so many red dots
<SilverFox>
So, what's your theory on why psychological disorders can be "trendy"?
<Djohaal>
the content can, the underlying disorder no
<Djohaal>
schyzophrenics in middle ages blamed demons for stealing their thoughts. On the 70's it was radio waves and the CIA, nowadays its mark zuckberg
<Greys>
self diagnosis and exposure bias
<Greys>
that EM sensitivity thing is known to be caused primarily on exposure to the concept of EM sensitivity thing
<Greys>
it's a memetic disease
<SilverFox>
EM sensitivity?
<SilverFox>
electro-magnetism?
<Djohaal>
but some stuff seems to trend truly. Anoxeria and bulimia were all the rage in the early 2000's. nowadays most of the only patients we get with eating disorders are the ones who started in the 2000's and didn't get themselves killed or cured sofar
<Greys>
SilverFox, people who think wifi gives them headaches
<SilverFox>
wtf
<Djohaal>
greys has a point. American culture seems to have this thing about disease protagonism. Then you end up with bullshit such as chronic lyme disease
<Greys>
tom scott did an episode about it when they visited the radio silence zone
<SilverFox>
chronic lyme disease?
<SilverFox>
dont you get lyme from ticks?
<Djohaal>
yup
<Djohaal>
people blame their fybromyalgia on some untreated form of chronic lyme infection
<Greys>
I thought lyme disease was permanent
<SilverFox>
I thought they had treaments for it
<Greys>
there are treatments for HIV
<Greys>
doesn't mean you stop having HIV
<SilverFox>
there are indeed
<Djohaal>
nope, lyme is the acute infection
<SilverFox>
ahhh
<Djohaal>
chronic lyme advocates say there's a chronic form that courses exactly with the same symptoms as fybromyalgia and is *treatable* by long-duration regimes on antibiotics
<SilverFox>
so people get the acute infection, get cured, then psychologically go chronic with it?
<Djohaal>
they even threated death to a revisor who made a metanalysis that proved it doesn't exist
<Djohaal>
threatened*
<SilverFox>
jesus christ
<Djohaal>
well they don't go chronic. They are just making up an excuse. That's what fybromyalgics do. All the time.
<Djohaal>
you just need to get off your arse and work out.
<SilverFox>
oh boy
<SilverFox>
how do you do double-blind trials when death is on the line?
<Djohaal>
you don't
<SilverFox>
thought so
<Djohaal>
you do with the best possible treatment, but no placebo for instance
<SilverFox>
so if Xelerfran was the new drug, and planterban is the current drug, the "placebo" group would get planterban?
<Djohaal>
yup
<Greys>
when death is on the line you usually end up with metanalysisesys pulling results out of things that were not studies, such as cause of death reports
<Djohaal>
metananalysis can only pull so much data. Their evidence sometimes is shitty
<SilverFox>
indeed
<Greys>
yea, and that's why they're not proof
<Greys>
they're suggestion
<Djohaal>
for instance lithium is said to reduce risk of suicide. That 'evidence' is based on a worldwide study count of some 300 suicide events among a couple thousand people
<SilverFox>
wait their study population worldwide was 1000 people?
<Greys>
you should go look at the metanalysis saying that north american cities with 'high' trace concentrations of lithium have less violent crime
<Djohaal>
but from what I heard in the US if your patient expresses suicidal thoughts and you don't prescribe them lithium you can get your intestines sued out if the case goes judicial
<SilverFox>
wtf
<SilverFox>
lithium is a controlled substance too
<Djohaal>
usually GPs can prescribe most "controlled" stuff
<Djohaal>
just extra paperwork
<SilverFox>
right
<SilverFox>
"If the patient is going to die anyway, that's when we start trying super crazy stuff, like chemotherapy"
<Djohaal>
terminal disease is a good ticket for getting yourself into any crazy clincal trial out there
<SilverFox>
i mean, we are basically nuking people's bodies
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<SilverFox>
isnt chemo actually radioactive?
<SilverFox>
I've forgotten the materials used
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<SilverFox>
Djohaal, have you lots of experience with Sepsis?
<Djohaal>
not really, no
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<SilverFox>
well I'm hearing of a trial that aims to treat it with uhhh Hydro-something-something, high dose vitamin C, and thiamine or some shit
<Djohaal>
there are so many drugs that start wtih hydro that it's not really helpful
<SilverFox>
yeahhh
<SilverFox>
lemme get the study
<SilverFox>
ah
<SilverFox>
Hydrocortisone, Vitamin C, and Thiamine
<kmath>
YouTube - Alan Watts - Lecture - The Richest Idea Man's Ever Thought Up
<SilverFox>
this is some good shit
<SilverFox>
I like this guy's voice
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<SilverFox>
found a new word in korean with the most S's: 쑥스러웠었어서 (ssukseureoweosseosseoseo) To have been sick
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<SilverFox>
;wa is Alan Watts alive?
<kmath>
SilverFox: Alan Watts->alive?: No
<SilverFox>
oh
<SilverFox>
well...
<SilverFox>
wow he died in 73
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<G-Munster>
In nam?
<SilverFox>
naw, in his sleep in his cabin
<SilverFox>
was a drunk with heart problems
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<SilverFox>
Djohaal, can you rant about rawshock-orwhateverthefuck blots? Are they still valid in psychology, or have they been slowly devolved or disproven?
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<SilverFox>
egg, how do you make a 3 sided die?
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<Greys>
so I think I might be just about done with factorio
<Greys>
it's a neat game with interesting systems but there exists no purpose for the systems beyond scaling
<Greys>
minecraft redstone can make anything and stardew valley has the facade of social interaction, shifting environmental considerations, and story advancement
<Greys>
even dwarf fortress can be used to create complex systems for everything from automation to efficiency, or simply computation
<Greys>
factorio lacks any context beyond make the stuff or do the logic; and I can make the stuff and do the logic in more comfortable and powerful environments; which I have done extensively
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<Greys>
is there a trope for how in scifi shows where a modern age earth society explores the universe, all the mundane shit on other planets is better
<Greys>
like, in SG1, instead of iron, other planets have trinium, which is a hundred times better
<Sigma88>
5
<Sigma88>
not always
<Greys>
instead of uranium there's naquada
<Sigma88>
the genii didn't have much better stuff
<Greys>
they had better booze
<Sigma88>
lol
<Sigma88>
I think the reasoning behind naquada is that our solar system didn't have any of that
<Greys>
also Pegasus stargates are better than Milkyway stargates (conversely Destiny stargates are pretty sucky)
<Sigma88>
like most of SGU :D
<Greys>
Destiny as a whole predates the milkyway network by a millenium, but more specifically destiny stargates are specifically engineered for their task, they are easier to deploy and have lower mass so more can be carried or created by seed ships
<Sigma88>
it's a shame that the series failed, it was a really cool concept
<Greys>
SGU was broadly successful and polled well
<Sigma88>
really?
<Greys>
Comcast nixed it because they wanted the slot for WWE
<Greys>
just like firefly
<Sigma88>
I found it boring and by the time it got interesting (end of series 2) they killed it
<Sigma88>
>_>
<Greys>
well, a lot of people disagree
<Sigma88>
I had no idea
<Greys>
when they cancelled SGU was right about when I stopped watching TV
<Greys>
another example, in space all computers use crystals
<Sigma88>
is there any sci-fi worth watching still on?
<Greys>
I don't own a television
<Sigma88>
I don't either, but I don't need one :D
<Greys>
I
<Greys>
'm watching SG1 right now, clearly they're unnecessary
<Sigma88>
I'm rewatching sg1 as well :)
<Sigma88>
sg1-atlantis actually
<Greys>
season 6; watched SGU a bit ago
<Sigma88>
I never re-watched sgu, maybe I should give it a second chance
<Greys>
I was watching SG:A before but it doesn't have a strong start so I lost interest before the runner guy comes in
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<Sigma88>
you mean aquaman?
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<Sigma88>
:D
<G-Magic>
Gotta drive
<Sigma88>
sga definitely got better after ronon arrives
<Sigma88>
for me at least
<Sigma88>
same with 7of9 and Voyager
<G-Magic>
And SG1 got better after season 3
<Sigma88>
season 3? what was the difference?
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<Greys>
turns out I don't need to drive
<Greys>
I think the difference after season 3, not including, is a major change in the budget, and either because of that or just coincidentally a change in the writing mandates
<Greys>
I haven't researched it at all
<Greys>
the first three seasons have a pretty strong feel of generic TV drama, with bonus action; and about half way into season 3 is when Jack's comedic side really started to take the stage
<Sigma88>
urgo
<Sigma88>
:D
<Greys>
prior to that he was snarky, but also tragic
<Greys>
they brought up his son very often
<Sigma88>
true, I never noticed that
<Sigma88>
I was looking at the episode list and saw a lot of episodes I like from seasons 1-3
<Sigma88>
now that I think about it Urgo is the only episode where jack is funny
<Sigma88>
or one of the few
<Greys>
a particular turning point in my mind is the timeloop episode that really hinges around how funny Richard Dean-Anderson can be, coupled with excellent stage writing, wrapped around a fairly skeletal and insignificant plot
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<Sigma88>
idk how I could never notice that
<Sigma88>
yeah window of opportunity is one of the best episodes
<Greys>
extremely memorable, every shot packed with character
<teabot>
Charactear.
<Greys>
then crossing from season 4 to 5, either the CG budget exploded, or simply the tools they had got better
<Greys>
it's hard to say which given the time period, it was probably close to when Blender started up
<Sigma88>
yeah stargate had pretty good cg for the time
<Sigma88>
Sanctuary came years later and was crap in comparison
<Sigma88>
I think sg1 had a big budget for practical effects as well
<Sigma88>
so they didn't have to rely on cg that much
<Greys>
hah, Blender was 95, season 5 was 2001
<Greys>
Sanctuary's CG was going for a style, and that style was poorly concieved; a sort of mash between what Buffy had looked like and lite-noir detective books
<Greys>
SG1's CG was trying to represent the practical prop design at larger scales that they couldn't afford
<Sigma88>
one thing that shocked me was in season 2 sam talks about some experiments they are doing about "gene silencing using RNA" or something like that
<Greys>
yea that sounds like the typical bullshit
<Sigma88>
lol nope
<Sigma88>
it's a real technique
<Sigma88>
that was published that same year
<Sigma88>
which means either is a very lucky coincidence
<Sigma88>
or they had very good scientific advisors
<Greys>
indeed; however SG1 likes to discuss real science vaguely
<Sigma88>
yeah but usually those kind of techniques get mainstream attention very late
<Greys>
they'll mention real concepts in enough detail to be identifiable, but with so little detail that they can totally ignore reality
<Sigma88>
think Crispr-Cas is 5-10 years old
<Greys>
season two would have been around 1998
<Sigma88>
yes
<Sigma88>
crispr-cas is another technique
<Sigma88>
which is becoming mainstream now
<Sigma88>
what season 2 was talking about is RNA interference
<Sigma88>
which was published in 1998
<Greys>
and I bet they then proceeded to do in an hour and one try (like mythbusters pretend to do) what would take three years and half a million tries
<Sigma88>
nah it was just a passing reference to something they were working on (maybe in area 51) but I am not sure
<Greys>
I like the Asgard
<Greys>
after Jack, I think the Asgard may have been the character writing triumph of the first half of the series
<Greys>
anyway, they frequently reference real stuff, but if you know anything about the topic it's clear that they're not even giving it the depth of representation found in newspaper headlines
<Greys>
they use science words as macguffins
<Sigma88>
yeah that's true
<Sigma88>
I've seen worse tho, maybe the fact that they are so vague is better
<Greys>
it certainly lands in the realm of inoffensive
<Sigma88>
unlike CSI that puts a vial into a centrifuge and looks at the screen to read the sequencing results :D
<Sigma88>
or even better, into a Spectrophotometer
<Sigma88>
:D
<Greys>
or
<Greys>
multiplayer typing
<Sigma88>
?
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<Sigma88>
(back to work, cya later)
<Greys>
insert NCIS gif of nerdboy and labgirl typing on the same keyboard for reasons
<Greys>
it is currently raining
<Greys>
also hailing
<Greys>
and some snow
<Greys>
gj michigan
<Greys>
I am impressed
<Thorbane>
*cringe* anyone whos actually used a computer keyboard should know that doesn't work. At all.
<Greys>
if you make the assumption that each keyboard is remapped to offer a broad set of characters, this isn't entirely stupid, and in fact Tom Scott did a similar thing
<Greys>
however, you cannot make that assumption and also believe it has fuck all to do with programming
<darklight-mobile>
There is one scene where they take security camera footage and "rotate" the scene, as in move the camera
<Greys>
fuck them
<Thorbane>
how? why? wtf
<Greys>
"we can only hope this is the last footwear to fall"
<Greys>
I love you Thor.
<darklight-mobile>
Iirc one of the comments says "all the bullshit"
<darklight-mobile>
To look behind something in the way obviously
<Thorbane>
but how did they think that would even work? That doesn't even make sense.
<Greys>
Jonas Quin makes a lot of faces
<Greys>
his face kind of reminds me of the we are #1 guys
<darklight-mobile>
Thorbane neither does enhancing photos
<Thorbane>
I mean technically it can be done, but not by much.
<Greys>
also, the replicators work out to be a fairly credible and self-justified story element
<Greys>
they look like butterfly-bugs because they were initially created as toys, they behave in a way that is reasonable for a low grade general purpose AI given a bad instruction, and they're typically overcome in ways that make sense
<Thorbane>
their incredible ability to magically supercharge hyperdrives, because plot, is a bit silly though
<Thorbane>
and where do they get their energy from anyway?
<Greys>
they know as much or more about hyperdrives than the asgard do
<Greys>
asgard ships can travel between their home galaxy, which is not pegasus and probably not andromeda, within seconds under ideal conditions
<Greys>
towing the prometheus it took hours
<Thorbane>
yeah, but really, that much of a change is like a complete drive replacement, and they pull this off in hours, in flight.
<Greys>
largely by replacing the hyperdrive
<Greys>
work for replicators is rather trivial, it's the understanding that limits them, they had already infested Apophis/Sokar's mothership for some time and all the knowledge precompiled about it's systems would have been available to the units that infested the Tori hoktar
<Greys>
upon arrival they would have already known how to modify the hyperdrive, and then the task is simply to have sufficient numbers with which to perform the task
<Greys>
I'm going to sleep
<Thorbane>
night Greys
<G-Magic>
Morning
<G-Magic>
anyway, replicators are basically the real world manifestation of bittorrent
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<G-Magic>
given one seeder and enough leeches, they can get a lot of work done super fast
<darklight-mobile>
Greys, top-anything is one of those places the eu could step in to improve the world, although nobody is silly enough to regulate clickbait
<darklight-mobile>
Also that bald headed guy should feel nothing but shame
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<Sigma88>
0/
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<SilverFox>
so im white. However, if I immigrate to sayyy korea, get a citizenship, I become korean. Koreans are asians, thus, I become asian, even though I'm white.
<SilverFox>
#logicisfun
<r4m0n>
race and nationality are separate concepts :-P
<SilverFox>
thats the joke
<Supernovy>
ethnicity is transitive
<Sigma88>
wait
<Sigma88>
if it's north korea it's totally possible he actually became asian
<Sigma88>
I think those guys would do that
<Sigma88>
:D
<Sigma88>
SilverFox?
<SilverFox>
???????
<SilverFox>
wat u want boi
<Sigma88>
did you emigrate to north korea and did they change your ethnicity to keep you in? :D
<SilverFox>
one doesnt move to northshitville
<SilverFox>
you go to glorious Korea
<Sigma88>
I've never been eastern than croatia
<SilverFox>
why did you go to croatia?
<Sigma88>
vacation
<SilverFox>
whoooooooooo vacations to croatia?
<Sigma88>
if you have euros it used to be pretty cheap
<Sigma88>
I'm italian, it's not that distant
<SilverFox>
ahh
<Sigma88>
it's nothing fancy
<Sigma88>
but when you are a student travelling with friends you don't really have the choice of "fancy"
<SilverFox>
yeah i dont expect croatia to be fancy either
<Sigma88>
well, it's not a bad place, and now it's probably way better
<Sigma88>
I went 10 years ago or maybe more
<Sigma88>
it was starting to grow in those years, it was still pretty rural
<SilverFox>
I hear germany is pretty good
<Sigma88>
never been there
<Sigma88>
I like the UK
<SilverFox>
which part of?
<Sigma88>
I've been to scotland (Edinburgh/Glasgow) and England Leeds/Manchester/Liverpool/York/London/Bristol