<SilverFox>
we say their name is "lee", but it's pronounced "ee"
<SilverFox>
"lee" would be like, 을리 but without the ㅡ because you need two ㄹ in a row to make the L sound
<SilverFox>
and "Yi Seon Ghye" was the same fucking name too, it was just 이
<SilverFox>
also another thing that pisses me off, they can't make the same Y sounds we make, it's fucking fake
<SilverFox>
the sound they make has 이 in front of the rest of the sound
<Greys>
right but you're the one trying to describe their arbitrary phoneme in english terms
<SilverFox>
like 오 is "oh", and then you add 이 to get 요 "yo" but it's really "ee-oh"
<SilverFox>
but faster so that it sounds like yo
<Greys>
right but.... yo is also that
<SilverFox>
no, our "yo" has the y sound
<Greys>
what y sound
<SilverFox>
the sound that y makes
<Greys>
y is just c but instead of s and k it's i and e
<SilverFox>
no that makes no sense
<SilverFox>
we don't say "ee-oh" we say "y-oh"
<Greys>
right, we say ee-oh-oh
<Greys>
see this is why y is sometimes a vowel
<SilverFox>
even when you slow down the sounds, there's a distinct difference between our y sound and the ee pseudo-shit that korean has
<SilverFox>
it gives you a fake sense of believe that koreans have the ability to make y sounds
<Greys>
well yea
<Greys>
cus korean ain't fucking english
<SilverFox>
right, I get that there will be hardships
<Greys>
but y isn't a real thing in english either
<SilverFox>
two different languages I don't expect it to be easy or similar
<SilverFox>
and yes it is
<Greys>
it's basically a macro
<SilverFox>
what
<Greys>
it's just other vowels applied via grammatic rules
<Greys>
sync, sink, the same phonemes
<SilverFox>
you're going to try and convince me "ee-oh" and "yoh" are the same, but they aren't
<SilverFox>
the sound comes from a different place completely
<SilverFox>
different place in the mouth that is
<Greys>
no, I'm trying to convince you that you're dumb for complaining when korean doesn't conform to english conventions; and that y is just other letters with rules for resolution
<SilverFox>
nono, you misunderstand
<Greys>
no I don't
<SilverFox>
I'm not bitching that it doesn't conform to english
<Greys>
you're just trying to recontextualize your own stupidity into not being wrong
<SilverFox>
im bitching that it's close, but not close enough, and that it makes it more difficult, and it pisses me off
<Greys>
right, because you're trying to learn korean in english instead of just learning korean
<Greys>
stop doing that
<SilverFox>
they're close enough to fuckin fake it, but when it comes to learning english, it's an extra challenge because you're used to using the ee-foo concept, but then the word "year" comes along and completely fucks you because now you have "ee-ee" and you just merge that to "ee" and then whaddya know, you're saying "ear" instead of "year"
<SilverFox>
this is a challenge I face on a daily basis with my teacher-student
<Greys>
right
<Greys>
because year
<Greys>
is iear
<SilverFox>
no, it isn't
<Greys>
maybe it isn't in french canandia
<SilverFox>
it isn't ee-ee-r
<Greys>
right
<Greys>
it's i-e-a'r
<SilverFox>
eye-aye-ar?
<Greys>
it's called a diphthong
<Greys>
where you slip between vowels without discrete boundaries
<SilverFox>
I prefer my thongs undipped
<Greys>
undiphed
<SilverFox>
that too
<Greys>
the only real difference with y is that it's pre-breathed, so I gues h'i-e-a'r, but if you breath it to strongly it becomes hear
<SilverFox>
sorta becomes a hyear
<Greys>
right in the middle yea; but that's not an english phoneme
<SilverFox>
right
<Greys>
probably is in korean so maybe practice that?
<SilverFox>
hence sorta
<SilverFox>
pardon?
<Greys>
hye
<SilverFox>
hyeh?
<SilverFox>
or hi?
<SilverFox>
in korean it'd be h-ee-eh
<SilverFox>
because 이 is "ee" sound
<Greys>
I'm just saying that phoneme probably exists, the one between year and hear
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<SilverFox>
and hyeh is ㅎ+예 h + yeh (에(eh) + 이(ee))
<SilverFox>
korean doesn't have our y sound
<SilverFox>
which is what pisses me off in the first place
<Greys>
you're talking in letters, I'm talking in phonemes
<SilverFox>
혜 is hyeh
<SilverFox>
that is a valid character in the language
<Greys>
all english letters represent multiple phonemes
<SilverFox>
korean sorta has that, but not for ALL of them, there are a handful that have only 1 sound
<SilverFox>
but a halfway between hear and year doesn't exist in terms of sounds in korean
<SilverFox>
the alphabet doesn't support it
<Greys>
do they really have only one sound, or are you just inexperienced
<Greys>
trick question, you're definitely inexperienced therefore you lack the authority to make that claim
<SilverFox>
The alphabet is rather simple. It is proclaimed as a scientific one and got a few awards for it or some shit. I'll find you the alphabet
<SilverFox>
this is the alphabet, it doesn't vary much from this, other than some consonants become a "t" sound when the next character is a consonant, like in 셋 it is pronounced "set" pretty much exactly like the english equivalent, yet you have two of the same letters in there, being ㅅ which is the s sound, and when it is at the end, it becomes a t sound
<Greys>
#1, you lack the authority to make these claims
<SilverFox>
also, when ㅅ is next to ㅣ, like in 시 or 씨 it becomes "shi" and "sshi", where it gains the sh sound, instead of using the s sound alone
<Greys>
#2, the chart is inherintly flawed by trying to associate two dissimilar languages via one of them
<SilverFox>
#1 fuck you I can become fucking fluent in this shit and you'll still be saying that
<SilverFox>
at what fucking point does it change?
<Greys>
#3, text is text, spoken language is spoken language, IPA sucks because it's hard to describe spoken language
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<Greys>
you can read that theoretically this or that, and you can watch highly produced professional speakers say things, but when you get out into the real world, real people don't speak like newscasters and tv stars
<SilverFox>
at what fucking point does it change, Greys?
<Greys>
when you're wrong less
<SilverFox>
you're stuck in this mindset i'm constantly wrong, constantly, completely wrong
<Greys>
you're wrong enough that you can't make drastic claims about things that are difficult in terms that are poorly concieved
<SilverFox>
fuck you I'll become fluent and you'll still say this shit
<Greys>
if you become fluent then you'll be less wrong as a density over time
<Greys>
currently you're on the train to weeaboo thinks he can but really he's wrong about everything and just refuses to accept it while still wanting to preach about it land
<SilverFox>
Or to give better example, because I am trying to learn new things, I can be wrong, and I admit I can be wrong, however, I am mostly wrong about the new things I ask and learn about, because they're new and they don't have core concepts in yet. HOWEVER, when it comes to the basics, like pronounciation of the alphabet, that is like saying that because I can't operate at egg's level of math, I can't do addition of 1 and 1.
<SilverFox>
and that's what pisses me off
<SilverFox>
ask some advanced concept, and I'll say I won't know, or I'll try and solve it and give a maybe answer, but ask about the fundamentals, and I am solid on those
<Greys>
right, sure, except that pronunciation is astrophysics
<SilverFox>
except it's not
<Greys>
1+1 is pure text
<Greys>
think of all the four letter words in english that when pronounced slightly wrong become explitives
<SilverFox>
that's because they use different letters at that point and become different words
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<SilverFox>
it's not like we can't write them, or there's some words that are inbetween what we write and are commonly used
<Greys>
except spoken language doesn't use any letters, letters are a written concept
<Greys>
spoken language is all phonemes and letters correlate to them via grammar
<Greys>
you don't need to be literate to speak
<SilverFox>
except we also associate those words we speak with those that are written
<Greys>
you don't need to speak to be literate
<Greys>
nobody in the world speaks in letters, except lesser text to speech engines
<SilverFox>
and vice-versa
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<Greys>
no, the vice versa is already there
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<SilverFox>
Anyways, koreans don't have a "y" sound like we do, because the way they say the "y" stuff we see in the romanization is actually an "ee" sound really fast, so it comes from the front of the mouth, and forces it to spread the lips/cheekplaces, whereas our "y" sound comes from further back in the mouth and doesn't carry the tendency to want to spread your cheekplaces or make you smile-sorta
<Greys>
of fucking course they don't
<Greys>
the statement itself represents that you don't fucking know what you're talking about
<SilverFox>
fuck you it doesn't
<Greys>
stop trying to learn korean as a dialect of english
<SilverFox>
Im not
<SilverFox>
fuck off with that
<SilverFox>
you're seeing it from the wrong side
<SilverFox>
other way around, korean -> english
<Greys>
until you're done talking about korean in english terms, just don't talk about it
<SilverFox>
here's the problem, you can go from english y to korean y-foo sound and be okay, not perfect of course, but you aren't not-understandable because the sound is at least close. However going from korean to english produces the "year" problem I was talking about, where they see "y" as an "ee" sound, so it all melts together to make "ear", because it's deceptive
<Greys>
right, because they don't have a y sound
<Greys>
they don't even have a y character
<SilverFox>
right, which makes it fucking difficult, however the added difficulty is the similarity in sound, but it not being close enough to work
<SilverFox>
because fundamentally they are made of different base sounds
<Greys>
you're trying to 2+2=fish
<Greys>
you're trying to resolve an equation between unrelatable values by talking in letters to describe phonemes in different languages that share neither
<SilverFox>
conventional teaching gets fucked, and I have yet to find a good way of teaching that sound without them defaulting to "ee"
<SilverFox>
like for comparison, another sound they have trouble with is any "ts" sound, like "cats", I can definitely teach how to do that sound, because it's an easy sound to replicate, and it's just practice from there
<Greys>
put your tongue at the top of your mouth just behind the front teeth, so the toungue doesn't touch the teeth; seal the tongue around the palette but allow air to pass through at the front
<SilverFox>
However with "y" I haven't been able to provide good explanation for it, or a good example of instructions which can be replicated accurately
<Greys>
see in english, ts is it's own phoneme, yay grammar
<SilverFox>
I tried that
<SilverFox>
but they are unable to replicate the sound whilst doing that
<SilverFox>
instead of the "yeh" I make, they make the "ee-eh"
<Greys>
practice
<SilverFox>
but it isn't even close
<SilverFox>
I do not want them to practice something which isn't even close to the correct sound
<Greys>
if their technique is correct then all they need is practice
<SilverFox>
if they can't replicate the sound approximately at least once, then their technique is off somewhere
<Greys>
not true
<Greys>
if you can confirm that they are performing the correct mechanical operation, then you just need to sit with them and play hotter/cooler
<SilverFox>
that is exactly what I do
<Greys>
and you need to try and figure out how to make the sounds they're making, so you can describe what they're not doing right
<SilverFox>
and I have been trying different methods of it, showing animations of tongue and mouth movement, drawing it out for them, physically showing my mouth (which is difficult with this sound), and going over IPA
<SilverFox>
Oh I do that as well
<SilverFox>
they are definitively making the "ee-eh" sound
<SilverFox>
because that's what "y" is to them
<SilverFox>
"ee"-foo
<Greys>
so tell them to make an ie sound
<SilverFox>
like pie or like crispie?
<Greys>
yes, lyke py or lyke cryspy
<Greys>
y starts with i and depending on grammar diphthongs into e
<SilverFox>
i told ya to stop diphing my thongs
<Greys>
the main thing that decides where a word in english will use i or y, is what root language the word segments originate from
<Greys>
and sometimes just aesthetics
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<SilverFox>
well pie is easy, 파이 "pah-ee" that is the sound like in eye, and crispy is 크리스피 "koo-ri-seu-pee" and ya just say it fast
<SilverFox>
but neither produce the y sound, so what are you getting at?
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<SilverFox>
yeeee, nayeon got in
<SilverFox>
1/7
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<SilverFox>
yeeeeeeee
<SilverFox>
jungyeonn got in
<SilverFox>
2/7
<SilverFox>
darn, Somi didn't make it
<SilverFox>
darn, dahyun made it
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<SilverFox>
oh twice is 9 members
<SilverFox>
Sana made it, so 3/7
<SilverFox>
ayyy got momo
<SilverFox>
4/7
<SilverFox>
So I got Momo, Sana, Mina, Jihyo, Nayeon, and Jeongyeon. 6/9, not bad
<GlassYuri>
what are you talking about
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<SilverFox>
watched a show bout the formation of twice
<SilverFox>
since i didnt know the members
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<GlassYuri>
what are you talking about
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<Greys>
battle angel alita got casted
<Greys>
the woman to get the alita role is, per the norm, not asian
<Greys>
she at least has the right body shape
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<Greys>
SilverFox, linus did ryzen; it's easly comparable to high end i7s for a fraction of the price and a fraction of the wattage; but there are issues. The key note is that this product is very competitive, and thus Intel will have to respond
<SilverFox>
right
<SilverFox>
however currently it's still out of my price range
<Greys>
sure but there's more than one ryzen
<SilverFox>
so no matter how spectacular the product is, I cannot get it
<SilverFox>
the lowest ryzen right now is like, 500$?
<SilverFox>
hopefully intel lowers prices enough that an i5 comes into my pricerange, but I doubt that will happen
<SilverFox>
especially within my pricerange because there is no AMD competition there
<Greys>
why would they do that
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<Greys>
does negative voltage flow across a diode?
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<Ulquiro>
Hello world ! I play KSP since two years now and i just wanted to create my own mod, i looked for infos on internet and find almost everything i wanted but i still have a problem : i made my 3d model and the texture with Blender, i also made the colision mesh. The problem is : i have absolutely no idea about the way to export it in the good format for KSP.
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<Greys>
it would be nice if any othese softwares were described by the text or imagery
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<SilverFox>
Greys, by negative voltage do you mean like, voltage against the diode's direction? because if so, yes, given enough voltage you can bypass the bias of the diode, either that or it fucking explodes or some shit
<SilverFox>
caps are the one that explodes
<SilverFox>
I saw a cap pop and a diode fail in robotics class cause teacher was like "ima give yall examples of what can happen if you fuck up"
<SilverFox>
also talked about caps that were so massive, that when they exploded, they totalled the trunk of a car
<SilverFox>
holy fuck they have GPS that's accurate to the few inch?
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<Greys>
SilverFox, negative voltage negative voltage
<SilverFox>
what *is* negative voltage?
<teabot>
Negateave.
<SilverFox>
if it isn't voltage going in the other direction, then what is it
<Greys>
yanno how vacuums are different then wind
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<Greys>
SilverFox, voltage like pressure and fluid concentrations seek to flow in such a way that they move to a lower energy state, typically by all the high density places flowing into the neutral density places; but you can also have vacuums
<Greys>
negative voltage is where you have a neutrally charged source, and a strongly discharged ground
<Greys>
the discharged ground will pull a flow of electricity from the neutral source
<SilverFox>
well, wind is because of drop in pressure, vacuum is an extreme of that
<Greys>
or a rise in pressure
<SilverFox>
that's going in the other direction
<SilverFox>
but still goes from high to low
<Greys>
yep
<SilverFox>
its a pull
<Greys>
or a push
<SilverFox>
no
<SilverFox>
always a pull
<Greys>
or push
<Greys>
I mean really, wind isn't at all pull
<SilverFox>
it is a pull
<Greys>
except it isn't
<SilverFox>
the lower pressure area is pulling in mass to fill that void
<Greys>
it's pressurized gas pushing itself to occupy a greater area and moving in whatever direction that isn't resisted
<Greys>
it isn't resisted as strongly
<Greys>
or*
<Greys>
vacuums only work when there's atmosphere around them to push, and they can only apply force equal to the air column
<SilverFox>
it's like two different point of views
<SilverFox>
perspective
<SilverFox>
I can see your point of view as well
<Greys>
well no, not really
<Greys>
lower pressure literally doesn't do anything
<Greys>
all the motivation stems from higher pressure
<SilverFox>
Right, because higher energy to lower energy