egg|principia|egg changed the topic of #kspmodders to: Welcome to #kspmooders | <Majiir> egg is pretty much just a chickenfetus until you start talking about floating point | <SilverFox> "little" doesn't seem like a real word to me right now
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<SilverFox>
Greys, I can do it in less than 10 words
<SilverFox>
Anti-aliasing and effective, pleasing visuals
<G-Mobile>
word limits do not exist to enforce brevity
<SilverFox>
it's more tangible to the user to display stuff that moves even when the smallest unit of use is being used because you feel uncertain or uhh...confused? if you dont see it moving when you are using it
<SilverFox>
there's a slight disconnect you dont consciously realize right away
<SilverFox>
"am I using it or not?"
<SilverFox>
and then you have to use it more and then it clicks in
<SilverFox>
yes, you can display the results of a medical trial of a drug with a grid of 100 people because 100%, but then you have a percentage of a person, and that's not as pleasing as seeing whole people, so we use 1000 people so we can cover that decimal place
<G-Mobile>
could'a made teh circle bigger
<SilverFox>
it works off a basis of "feeling right", so it varies per person, so your experience and view of it may differ from others
<SilverFox>
also, bought BotW for switch, since mine is coming in tomorrow
<SilverFox>
holy fuck do the cartridges taste bad
<SilverFox>
they taste like fucking ink
<SilverFox>
printer ink
<SilverFox>
it's been 2 hours and I can still taste it
<SilverFox>
I had a can of iced tea and a medium earl grey
<G-Mobile>
yep, they're coated in human bile fluid
<G-Mobile>
congratulations; it's lupis
<teabot>
Congratulateaons.
<SilverFox>
it's never lupus
<SilverFox>
Djohaal, when is it ever lupus?
<G-Mobile>
the day had to come, that you licked a poop covered SD card
<darklight>
You knew it was covered in bittrex
<G-Mobile>
so now, it's lupus
<Djohaal>
SilverFox, not in House
<SilverFox>
dats right
<darklight>
I think it was lupus once
<SilverFox>
probably once
<SilverFox>
but it wasn't
<SilverFox>
then it was
<SilverFox>
so half points
<SilverFox>
also got a 64GB SD card
<SilverFox>
didn't pay for it so ayyy
<G-Mobile>
did it have viruses on it?
<darklight>
Also silverfox I finally found a use for my pi :P
<darklight>
You might have seen yesterday
<SilverFox>
yeah I saw the video title
<Djohaal>
y so lupus tho
<SilverFox>
it's in a frigde or something
<SilverFox>
this SD card is faster than my internet
<darklight>
My parents come home today and they are really really bad for not throwing old shit away
<darklight>
So I set this up
<darklight>
It plays that song when the fridge is open
<darklight>
The pi isn't in the fridge, I am not that tarded
<SilverFox>
wait why the fuck did you use a pi for that
<G-Mobile>
it's in the freezer
<SilverFox>
that's an arduino job
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<darklight>
SilverFox: Not without extra memory it is not
<darklight>
And some way of hooking to the audio :P
<darklight>
Probs could jerry rig it though
<G-Mobile>
do they have meter range NFC yet
<SilverFox>
Greys, btw the prize you get for collecting all 900 kokoro seeds is a golden piece of shit
<G-Mobile>
can you plant it to grow a copper piece of shit?
<SilverFox>
isn't that active RFID?
<SilverFox>
no
<G-Mobile>
no, because reasons
<SilverFox>
you make the upgrade dude do a dance at will
<SilverFox>
that's it
<SilverFox>
darklight, there is an MP3 hat for arduino
<darklight>
G-Mobile: Afaik rfid is just wireless power transfer which scales with the square of the distance
<darklight>
Wait
<darklight>
SilverFox: I ain't wasting shekels for a prank
<SilverFox>
Greys, what's the difference between NFC and RFID?
<SilverFox>
because I was going to implement RFID for robot pet
<darklight>
None?
<darklight>
Maybe a protocol?
<darklight>
It's the same idea afaik
<G-Mobile>
protocols, specs, standards
<SilverFox>
yeah okay cool, so >1m range is possible, easily
<G-Mobile>
complexity
<SilverFox>
just active RFID yo
<G-Mobile>
companies have been advertising fridges that will be aware of what's in them for a decade, and the dumb fucks are trying to solve the problem with computer vision
<SilverFox>
or just boost the fuck out of a reader
<SilverFox>
why the fuck
<SilverFox>
that's fuck tarded
<darklight>
G-Mobile: I'm against the IoT thing :P
<G-Mobile>
so you can know what you have, so you can automate purchasing, so you can track spoilage
<darklight>
Open the fucking fridge and go for a fucking drive sheesh
<SilverFox>
darklight, more for us to hack and add to the botnet tho
<SilverFox>
Greys, that spoiling tracking already exists, it's called a brain
<darklight>
And labels
<SilverFox>
fucking kids these days being lazy
<SilverFox>
BACK IN MY DAY
<darklight>
Back in my day
<G-Mobile>
but NFC is supposed to have a maximum range of 12cm and RFID is too simple
<darklight>
HA
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<SilverFox>
why do you need the complexity of NFC?
<SilverFox>
checking dates and shit is perfectly suitable for RFID
<darklight>
SilverFox: Back in my grandparents day 12 year olds would go camping and take a shotgun with them
<G-Mobile>
to eliminate tracking databases
<SilverFox>
and even fits under the use-case RFID is widely used for
<G-Mobile>
if it's NFC you can write to it
<G-Mobile>
you can store the data on the tag
<SilverFox>
why write to it though?
<G-Mobile>
take the tag, put it in somebody else's fridge, still fuckin' knows
<SilverFox>
I think you're overcomplicating it
<G-Mobile>
...
<G-Mobile>
COMPUTER VISION
<G-Mobile>
no
<darklight>
You know what pisses me off the most? :P
<SilverFox>
I don't see how there can be a problem with sticking a thing in another fridge
<darklight>
Computers in cars :<
<G-Mobile>
that's useless
<darklight>
I can understand electronic fuel injection
<SilverFox>
the date it was made was still the same either way
<darklight>
I'm willing to accept it there
<darklight>
But for fucks sake, don't give the CIA the tools to kill people thx :P
<darklight>
(I mostly joke there)
<G-Mobile>
SilverFox: tracking, ownership, mixing
<SilverFox>
okay how bout this
<darklight>
But I don't think a computer should have any control over a breaking or acceleration or steering system
<darklight>
And to me, self driving cars are a big no no
<SilverFox>
you have a writer for the tags, you tap the date on the screen, and the spoil time of the thing, attach the tag to the item, and then put it in the fridge?
<G-Mobile>
you're both idiots
<darklight>
SilverFox: Not automated
<darklight>
No point
<SilverFox>
what the fuck is there to automate?
<darklight>
Shopping
<SilverFox>
you make a casserole and it won't know when it spoils
<darklight>
But it's still silly :P
<teabot>
Steall.
<G-Mobile>
recipe finding
<SilverFox>
wtf
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<SilverFox>
how's a fridge to find the recipe of a thing you just put in it?
<G-Mobile>
so silver doesn't understand basic absurdity, and darklight is pro-death
<darklight>
G-Mobile: No I'm just pro choice
<darklight>
(I kid)
<SilverFox>
nice one
<darklight>
I have 0 faith in computer programmers and self driving cars to recognise what a human can
<darklight>
That being said
<darklight>
I am fully aware that humans have flaws
<SilverFox>
well, if we all went to self-driving cars we wouldn't have as many accidents
<G-Mobile>
you're pro-removing-things-that-soften-the-consequences-of-humans-sucking-at-driving without fixing the fact that humans suck at driving
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<darklight>
If I am tired and someone wants me to drive somewhere, I tell them to go shove a stick up their ass
<SilverFox>
because humans are fuckin humans
<darklight>
G-Mobile: I ain't asian
<SilverFox>
darklight, that's great, but there's millions of others who drive drunk
<SilverFox>
a computer cannot drive drunk
<SilverFox>
it also wont do 60 in a 40 zone near a children's playground
<SilverFox>
like my stepfather does
<teabot>
Steapfather.
<G-Mobile>
there's a solid case that this tesla advanced cruise autopilot is really dangerous, but intelligent cruise control, predictive breaking, and automatic lane keeping; as purely assists, are saving lives
<darklight>
I'm not against computer assistance
<darklight>
I literally use it at work :P
<G-Mobile>
then you should go back in time and say other words
<SilverFox>
nigga you ride a tractor that drives itself dont you?
<darklight>
But it's not something I would want
<darklight>
SilverFox: It doesn't do turns on the headland
<darklight>
But you only turn around once like every 10-15 minutes or so
<G-Mobile>
I bet in the next two years, somebody invents a car that can detect a distracted or drunk driver and refuse to be driven
<darklight>
G-Mobile: They have that for drunkards already
<darklight>
Breath test interlock
<SilverFox>
Greys, that already exists
<G-Mobile>
not what I said
<SilverFox>
the engine will refuse to start if you blow a level above a set amount
<G-Mobile>
a car with a BTI unit doesn't detect anything, it has an additional startup process
<G-Mobile>
what I said is a car detects it's driver is bad
<SilverFox>
the fuck do you mean it doesnt detect anything?
<SilverFox>
there's a damn sensor in it
<SilverFox>
you can get one for arduinos too
<G-Mobile>
it's a fancy padlock
<G-Mobile>
it's not part of the car
<SilverFox>
you have to get it installed
<darklight>
My main contention with computers in cars is that at work everything that is really old still works, but everything that is new breaks easily :P
<G-Mobile>
it's like a USB fingerprint scanner
<darklight>
Eg, my sisters car went into "limp" mode once
<darklight>
Pulled the battery lead, put it back on, everything is fine
<darklight>
Computers doing that shit, no
<SilverFox>
car isnt going to fuckin service itself
<G-Mobile>
this would be a car that analyses the behavior of the driver as they are driving, and can determine if someone is impaired or worse, and if it deems them unsafe, it will pull itself over and lock in park
<darklight>
Yeah but it decided "I'm sorry I don't want to drive to the service station even though I actually can"
<darklight>
G-Mobile: Which could literally kill people
<G-Mobile>
only in detroit
<darklight>
If you're driving through the desert and your car doesn't chooch, you risk death
<SilverFox>
Greys, that just sounds excessive and a very roundabout way of doing it
<G-Mobile>
silv, you say stupid things
<darklight>
G-Mobile: You work in the mechanical industry correct?
<G-Mobile>
darklight: so don't drive drunk, and it could probably make this determination within two minutes
<darklight>
Have you ever noticed that simple things work better?
<G-Mobile>
darklight: nope, that's done
<darklight>
It seems like we have abandoned KISS
<G-Mobile>
also no, because literally I was the only smart person in the shop
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<G-Mobile>
their idea of KISS was "hey, instead of that, we're going to do this much harder thing that doesn't achieve the goal and risks everyone's safety"
<G-Mobile>
there was a day when George blew up 2 spade drills, bought a new one, and blew it up too
<G-Mobile>
it got to the point at the end that he was so tired of explaining why we were going to do a dumb thing that when I suggested an easier, safer, more effective way, he would say "yea well if we were smart we would have done that"
<G-Mobile>
and I would say "we haven't done anything yet"
<darklight>
I can see why you weren't contracted for the yuge wall
<G-Mobile>
because we were mainly a turning shop?
<darklight>
Fair enough
<darklight>
Also how do you blow up a spade bit?
<darklight>
As in like the wood cutter ones correct?
<SilverFox>
does fuckin tim hortons put laxitives in they shit or what
<SilverFox>
Greys, simpler is always better, and more easily provable so, even mathematically
<G-Mobile>
darklight: they have thru-coolant, and replacable carbide inserts, so they don't need to peck (pecking is actually bad), are more rigid, and can provide extremely good runout
<G-Mobile>
also when they're running well they give a near mirror surface finish
<G-Mobile>
and if you know what you're doing they can be run a hot harder than twist drills
<darklight>
It's definitely a drilling and not milling bit right?
<G-Mobile>
right
<darklight>
Kk
<G-Mobile>
primarily used on a lathe
<darklight>
I'm just unfamiliar, that's all :P
<darklight>
Ah actually thinking about it, yeah I might have seen them there
<G-Mobile>
they're like a hundred bucks for the holder, and each holder can carry maybe a 3mm range of inserts
<G-Mobile>
I'm not even sure you can spade drill on most mills, because they need a lot of rigidity or shit goes bad
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<G-Mobile>
imagine trying to push a blunt hardened toolsteel rod through a piece of anealled tool steel, at 1000rpm
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<G-Mobile>
also you can get spade drill inserts for various geometry, say if you want a flat bottom hole, you can do that
<darklight>
Flat bottom holes you make the milling world go round
<darklight>
G-Mobile: That's not a drill
<darklight>
Err, I thinnk
<SilverFox>
it says drill in the url
<darklight>
It looks more for making channels than holes?
<darklight>
But hey, I could be wrong
<G-Mobile>
it only goes along the spindle axis
<G-Mobile>
(Z in my experience)
<G-Mobile>
there are similar tools where the inserts are along the exterior, and those can't do Z, but are great at XY
<darklight>
Fir enough
<darklight>
I might be thinking of like a 3 or 4 flute end mill?
<G-Mobile>
You need to go on ebay and buy random lots of weird tooling
<darklight>
I lack a milling machine, although there is one at work
<G-Mobile>
get a rotary broach
<darklight>
He brought it and hasn't learned it yet
<G-Mobile>
get a fly cutter
<G-Mobile>
get a shell mill
<SilverFox>
get a dildo on a reciprocating motor
<G-Mobile>
it's a mill
<G-Mobile>
it reciprocates
<G-Mobile>
get an anular cutter
<G-Mobile>
get a sine bar
<SilverFox>
when I got to korea, I should just livestream the entire thing
<G-Mobile>
you'll be ritualistically inverted
<SilverFox>
you think so?
<G-Mobile>
on the plane
<SilverFox>
what do you mean by ritualistically inverted?
<SilverFox>
Greys, I heard you think that EEVblog is great for condensing information into useful chunks, so here's a half hour video on an introduction to digital logic:
<SilverFox>
time is going to go by fast, which is why I should step up my learning
<SilverFox>
I basically have 4 years to become fluent. I know I don't *have* to be fluent, but who the fuck wants to be *that donut* that goes to another bakery and can't communicate with the bakers
<SilverFox>
!tell Majiir Dude from Angel Eyes is in a new thing called "귓속말" that airs on SBS at 3월 27일. I just saw the advert for it.
<Qboid>
SilverFox: I'll redirect this as soon as they are around.
<SilverFox>
ayyyy got accepted into the college program I applied for
<GlsFrg|phone>
SilverFox: "advanced masturbation to kpop videos"?
<SilverFox>
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
<GlsFrg|phone>
so I destroyed about 4 or 5 cheap pairs of earphones in my 1.5 years at language school
<SilverFox>
like earbuds or headset earphones?
<GlsFrg|phone>
if I had fucking known that a really cheap soldering stick costs even less than one pair of them...
<GlsFrg|phone>
earbuds
<SilverFox>
yeah earbuds break easy
<SilverFox>
was it the left or right ear that went out first?
<GlsFrg|phone>
I think that was different for each pair
<GlsFrg|phone>
well not always different, you could say there were three groups, left first, right first, and lost the fucking thing somewhere before it broke
<GlsFrg|phone>
I also trashed a usb-micro usb cable
<SilverFox>
I trashed a few of those, just because of how I have my phone charging set up
<GlsFrg|phone>
pretty sure I actually trashed two, the one I used for a few years in germany and the one that came with my external battery
<SilverFox>
the cable for my phone is sharply turned, so it gets deformed and such and just breaks inside
<GlsFrg|phone>
I then only used one cable for a while, until I forgot it at home and blind bought another one at a convenience store
<GlsFrg|phone>
which turned out to have reversible connectors for both the USB and micro USB plug
<GlsFrg|phone>
and that shit actually works fine
<SilverFox>
how much was it?
<GlsFrg|phone>
and it's not a fucking charger, it's an actual data cable
<SilverFox>
fuckin double nice
<GlsFrg|phone>
too much, maybe almost U$10
<SilverFox>
did you buy it in japan?
<GlsFrg|phone>
yeah
<SilverFox>
how much yen?
<GlsFrg|phone>
a bit over 1000 I think
<SilverFox>
hmm
<SilverFox>
not bad if it's a good cable
<GlsFrg|phone>
well it's clearly not to spec if it's like that
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<GlsFrg|phone>
or else all USB plugs would be like that
<SilverFox>
what do you mean?
<SilverFox>
well fuck, now the expected date of delivery for my switch is tomorrow
<GlsFrg|phone>
SilverFox: if usb plugs could be made reversible then they would be
<SilverFox>
not necessarily, but sure
<GlsFrg|phone>
so I assume that my cable's plug is some non standard compliant designed in shenzhen variation of an USB plug
<SilverFox>
yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy more fucking honorific bullshit
<SilverFox>
goddamn koreans and the bajillion ways of saying the same honorifics
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<Djohaal>
SilverFox, seems like an awful case of struge-weber syndrome
<SilverFox>
Djohaal, why would you take a blood test to confirm nerve damage?
<Djohaal>
SilverFox, B-group vitamin deficiencies can cause polyneuropathy
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<Djohaal>
you don't confirm, you find the cause
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<SilverFox>
right, thanks
<SilverFox>
Well, patient was middle age female cellist, pain in her finger ascended to above her elbow, pain has been persistent for a few weeks
<SilverFox>
Also got accepted into the RPN program at the college. This donut is that much closer to working in the medical field :D
<SilverFox>
also believe it or not, but compared to a good few other people I see both in the nursing program, and who work in hospitals, I'm overqualified
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<Djohaal>
nice
<SilverFox>
what's great about this pathway is it's 2 years, and that's easy as fuck to do, and I'll be employable after that, and from there I can bridge into the RN program and not lose time, and then be double employable after that program
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<SilverFox>
holy fuck boys we're finally doing it:
<Djohaal>
SilverFox, do you use ship manifest on your game?
<SilverFox>
wat
<SilverFox>
what game
<Djohaal>
one chance to guess
<SilverFox>
I havent played kerbal in years
<Djohaal>
good job
<SilverFox>
what's ship manifest do?
<SilverFox>
we never talk about kerbal here btw
<SilverFox>
it's just, not a thing anymore
<Djohaal>
I know right, but this chat is remotely more active than KSPmodding
<SilverFox>
deceptively so
<Djohaal>
it's a tool for handling resources and kerbal transfers. I fucked up the UI settings on it and the mod is failing to regenreate the config files in a way that isn't a complete disaster
<SilverFox>
also what's deceptive is that they're teaching taxes buuuut:
<SilverFox>
"says Kamarhie, who took two days of teacher training last month and has started to develop the lesson plans she will begin using in April."
<SilverFox>
>two days teacher training
<SilverFox>
>developing lesson plans
<SilverFox>
she's going to make lessons plans from 2 days training over what, 2 months?
<SilverFox>
good luck bitch, I've been crafting my english lessons over the past 2 months and will continue to do so for over 4 years
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<SilverFox>
!csharp 1 >> 1
<Qboid>
0
<SilverFox>
!csharp 1 << 1
<Qboid>
2
<SilverFox>
!csharp 1 << 1 << 1
<Qboid>
4
<SilverFox>
man I really need to implement that truefalse interpreter
<SilverFox>
!csharp 2 << 1
<Qboid>
4
<SilverFox>
;wa 17.99USD to CAD
<kmath>
SilverFox: convert $17.99 (US dollars) to Canadian dollars: C$24.02 (Canadian dollars)
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<G-Magic>
Btw my internet is shut off
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<G-Munster>
So I've got 5gb to get through the first
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<SilverFox>
"Enfant Flavored Banana Milk"
<SilverFox>
;wa 25USD to CAD
<kmath>
SilverFox: convert $25 (US dollars) to Canadian dollars: C$33.39 (Canadian dollars)