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<_whitenotifier> [Principia] eggrobin reopened pull request #3101: Improve translation malleability - https://git.io/J0YT1
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<_whitenotifier> [Principia] pleroy reviewed pull request #3101 commit - https://git.io/J0Dei
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<raptop> THe bridge seems to be down again
<egg|anbo|egg> apparently
<egg|anbo|egg> also I am not sure fondling is the word that person was looking for
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<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ the bridge was down, should now be back up
* egg|anbo|egg waves
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<_whitenotifier> [Principia] pleroy opened pull request #3102: Remove the zfp flag and fix a typo - https://git.io/J0FuG
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<queqiao-> ⟨S​erina⟩ ? I see there is a cat with a book
<queqiao-> ⟨S​erina⟩ but does that book contain what i'm lookin for or do people do voodoo magic to figure out their windows?
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<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ that book does not contain any windows, no
<raptop> I recommend cooking up some porkchop plots to find the launch windows
<queqiao-> ⟨S​erina⟩ Hooow would one do that?
<queqiao-> ⟨p​Edro⟩ First you get some program to calculate flight paths, the programm wait until its well-done and puts it into a graph
<queqiao-> ⟨p​Edro⟩ Mechjeb has one integratrd
<queqiao-> ⟨p​Edro⟩ Mechjeb has one integrated, ∆V is somewhat wrong, but windows are generally good (edited)
<queqiao-> ⟨p​Edro⟩ Then there are multiple Flyby calculators for more advanced windows
<queqiao-> ⟨P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they)⟩ There is a NASA webpage that does it, but only between 2010 and 2040, and only for certain destinations
<queqiao-> ⟨p​Edro⟩ accuracy is questionable, but good enough for you to work it out yourself
<queqiao-> ⟨S​erina⟩ @pEdro Don't you need to already be in orbit for that to work?
<queqiao-> ⟨S​erina⟩ would be nice to have an up to date flyby calculator
<queqiao-> ⟨p​Edro⟩ flyby finder is somewhat accurate
<queqiao-> ⟨S​erina⟩ define somewhat
<raptop> What does up to date mean in this context? Retrobop has been around for what, 5 years?
<queqiao-> ⟨p​Edro⟩ windows are slightly off in later years
<queqiao-> ⟨S​erina⟩ As in it works well with the current version of RSS
<queqiao-> ⟨P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they)⟩ Isn't that what the alternate initial positions files are for?
<queqiao-> ⟨S​erina⟩ oh you can correct that as you go along with flyby finder?
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ wait what ? Those were a workaround for a part of 2400 that no longer exist
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ and as a result you probably shouldn’t use them
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ and as a result you probably shouldn’t use them anymore (edited)
<queqiao-> ⟨P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they)⟩ Oh... I thought they helped the positions be more accurate in later years
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ No, our solar system is as accurate as you can realistically want for as long as you can realistically warp
<queqiao-> ⟨P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they)⟩ I used them to start off in the year I wanted in sandbox so I could test something, without timewarping
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ You can do that by just editing the game_epoch, no need for a wholly different initial state
<queqiao-> ⟨P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they)⟩ Would the launch windows be all messed up then?
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ (that will then cause us to compute the solar system until the right time, but very quickly)
<queqiao-> ⟨P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they)⟩ Oh.... I wish I knew that earlier
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ (editing the game_epoch and the corresponding date in RSSTimeFormatter really)
<queqiao-> ⟨S​erina⟩ so the Flybyfinder for Real Solar System Mod v0.85 is fully compatible with how RSS has it's solar system?
<queqiao-> ⟨S​erina⟩ in it's current state?
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ Given that the interplanetary launch windows are the same as in stock (Principialess) RSS, you may want to ask in a channel with a broader scope
<queqiao-> ⟨S​erina⟩ oh really?
<queqiao-> ⟨S​erina⟩ or isn't orbital pertubation between the bodies simulated in principia? I thought that would play a role
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ Yes, but by and large the planets follow relatively-unperturbed Kepler orbits, and windows are about high-energy transfers that don’t do much in the way of third-body-effect fanciness
<queqiao-> ⟨S​erina⟩ I see
<queqiao-> ⟨p​Edro⟩ you can often find cheaper transfers by noodling about unstable points, but for "normal" fast transfers they are mostly correct
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<queqiao-> ⟨S​erina⟩ Well those are more once in a blue moon gotta know what to look for transfers, to complicated for babeh's first principia run
<queqiao-> ⟨P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they)⟩ This <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interplanetary_Transport_Network>
<queqiao-> ⟨p​Edro⟩ Yeah, really fun to use low energy transfers, even if they take several decades
<queqiao-> ⟨P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they)⟩ I use several month long ones to get to the moon the first two or three times
<queqiao-> ⟨p​Edro⟩ for RP1 you need to constrain yourself, packing 100m/s ∆V more is generally better than waiting several months for lunar capture.
<queqiao-> ⟨S​erina⟩ I mean yeah, it might be useful for shimmying around the earth moon Lagrange points but it's... not particularly time efficient way of moving around
<queqiao-> ⟨p​Edro⟩ You still end up using them sometimes, but only if you are trying to do extreme :caveman: stuff or if your engine breaks down during flight
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] pleroy closed pull request #3102: Remove the zfp flag and fix a typo - https://git.io/J0FuG
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] pleroy pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±2] https://git.io/J0FMr
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] pleroy a694d0c - Remove zfp flag.
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] pleroy 5cfb589 - Merge pull request #3102 from pleroy/Zfp Remove the zfp flag and fix a typo
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] pleroy opened pull request #3103: Add support for storing the exact degrees of freedom at some points of a trajectory - https://git.io/J0FDe
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<queqiao-> ⟨S​tandecco⟩ (if they didn't, Kepler wouldn't have formulated his laws and people would've been a lot more confused for longer)
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<_whitenotifier> [Principia] eggrobin closed pull request #3101: Improve translation malleability - https://git.io/J0YT1
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<_whitenotifier> [Principia] eggrobin opened pull request #3104: French translations - https://git.io/J0FjY
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