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<queqiao-> ⟨A​l2Me6⟩ Nope it didn't work 😔
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ welp, Unity sucks at linebreaking, and this is not our problem
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ (to be honest I have seen English broken mid-word in Korean documents, this might not be as shocking to a zh speaker as it is to me)
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ (to be honest I have seen English randomly broken mid-word in Korean documents, this might not be as shocking to a zh speaker as it is to me) (edited)
<queqiao-> ⟨A​l2Me6⟩ I suppose that's true... but I've lived in America for long enough that I've picked up 'normal' English-speaker sensibilities
<queqiao-> ⟨A​l2Me6⟩ I suppose that's true... but I've lived in America for long enough that I've picked up 'normal' English-speaker sensibilities, so I might not be the best person to comment on that (edited)
<queqiao-> ⟨P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they)⟩ Would Unicode LF U+000A work?
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ No, because what if it is Mun, then you would break too early
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ (or more importantly, what if it is 木星; then you would break at a random place, whereas CJKV-only text would look OK otherwise)
<queqiao-> ⟨P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they)⟩ If only there were CJKV characters for KSP planets
<queqiao-> ⟨P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they)⟩ Astrological signs for it would look weird
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ My understanding is the Chinese-speaking communities were asked and decided against sinicizations of Kerbin etc.
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ it would certainly make the I18N easier if they had gone for it :-p
<queqiao-> ⟨A​l2Me6⟩ Yep, sinicizing Latin names tends to produce absolute abominations.
<queqiao-> ⟨A​l2Me6⟩ The transliteration of 'Kerbal', 坎吧拉人, is abomination enough.
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ I was about to mention it, yes
<queqiao-> ⟨A​l2Me6⟩ The transliteration of 'Kerbal', 坎吧拉人 (I hope I wrote that right... at least it's the right sounds 🤣), is abomination enough. (edited)
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ I mean, they could also have gone with something more creative than transliteration, why can’t Minmus be 薄荷月球
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ You can even make a calque of Mun by picking any homophone of 月 :-p
<bees> wait until you encounter sinicized Slavic/Central Asian names
<bees> Astrakhan (if i remember correctly) defeated CCTV dictor, who finally pronounced it from third attempt
<queqiao-> ⟨K​itty OwO⟩ It's so nice being on a computer that I actually set with fonts with good unicode support, back when I was using Windows 7 I suspect that many of these characters wouldn't have displayed so nicely lol, I mean, I don't understand chinese in the slightest so it doesn't matter too much, but, its still nice being able to see things displayed nicely lol
<queqiao-> ⟨A​l2Me6⟩ Eh, basic Chinese display has worked fine since at least XP (anything more ancient predates me 😂). Antialiasing sucked on low DPI screens back in the days, but that's about it.
<queqiao-> ⟨A​l2Me6⟩ Eh, Chinese display has worked fine since at least XP (anything more ancient predates me 😂). Antialiasing sucked on low DPI screens back in the days, but that's about it. (edited)
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ Now here’s a challenge 𒎙
<queqiao-> ⟨K​itty OwO⟩ Al2Me6: That's fair, it didn't look at clean tho when it did work.
<queqiao-> ⟨K​itty OwO⟩ Egg: Two arrow like thingies pointing left?
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ yeah, a ligature of 𒌋𒌋; it’s the *one* sign missing from Noto (ignoring the early dynastic block)
<queqiao-> ⟨A​l2Me6⟩ I see tofu on Windows
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ 𒎌 wasn’t there in an early version but now those bad old days are gone
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ but Noto has tofu for the sign for 20 (and the syllable *man*)
<queqiao-> ⟨K​itty OwO⟩ oof, I was getting frustrated with a thing not displaying right so I have it set up to where in theory it should use Cantarell, and if that doesn't work I believe it rolls over to either Noto or worst case that one GNU font
<queqiao-> ⟨K​itty OwO⟩ only have seen that one gnu font on some emoji , but, I can tell its there because it doesn't exactly look like a vector font or whatever they are called LOL
<queqiao-> ⟨K​itty OwO⟩ better than tofu tho by a long shot
<queqiao-> ⟨K​itty OwO⟩ 🔫 its also quite nice that whatever I have it set to things are actually what they mean on most of the emoji, this actually renders as a gun instead of a squirt gun for example.
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ 𘟪
<queqiao-> ⟨K​itty OwO⟩ that is a blank line as far as I can tell
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ 𗺕
<queqiao-> ⟨K​itty OwO⟩ same with that one
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ nope (and also 𗺕 was an expression of amusement, albeit one perhaps lost on most)
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ ||https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E8%8D%89#Etymology_4 obviously||
<queqiao-> ⟨A​l2Me6⟩ 'obviously'
<queqiao-> ⟨P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they)⟩ The tofu unicode things used to show the unicode number in the square for me, but I don't remember how that was set up
<queqiao-> ⟨A​l2Me6⟩ @egg Uh, weird thing happening... the abbreviation is showing up blank for some reason?
<queqiao-> ⟨A​l2Me6⟩ (The format string being `#principia_ReferenceFrameSelector_Description_Heading = <<1>>（<<2>>）参考系：`.）
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ yeah there is no abbreviation in Chinese, so it shows up blank
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ just omit the <<2>> and the parentheses
<queqiao-> ⟨A​l2Me6⟩ Oh ok... so the abbreviation not the same thing as what shows up in the navball
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ nah, if there is an abbreviation it is both the Navball and the selector text, otherwise the selector is its own thing and the navball has the full name
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ (except I will probably need another layer of « navball name » because there is no way the full name fits in more verbose languages)
<bees> https://arxiv.org/pdf/1909.11090.pdf best illustration ever
<queqiao-> ⟨A​l2Me6⟩ ⚫
<queqiao-> ⟨K​itty OwO⟩ uwu
<raptop> Unfortunately, the tangut is tofu in my IRC client
<raptop> And yes, figure 1 in that paper is eggstremely good
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] al2me6 opened pull request #3098: Update zh-cn localization and add strings for the new frame selector - https://git.io/J0Jft
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] al2me6 edited pull request #3098: Update zh-cn localization and add strings for the new frame selector - https://git.io/J0Jft
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] al2me6 edited pull request #3098: Update zh-cn localization and add strings for the new frame selector - https://git.io/J0Jft
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<queqiao-> ⟨§​κyℓαr ♀⟩ On my phone right now, @egg when I am back on my PC I am probably going to mess more with fonts, any clue how I could get this to display correctly?
<queqiao-> ⟨§​κyℓαr ♀⟩ bees: That is hilarious to have a 1:1 scale of an astronomical body
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<queqiao-> ⟨M​ikołaj⟩ hello, i wanted to ask for a bit of help with installing principia. so far i have downloaded the file linked in Read me and placed it in gamedata, but when i open the game this message pops up
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ yes, that is because you are missing the dependency mentioned in that message
<queqiao-> ⟨M​ikołaj⟩ Thanks no errors this time
<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ @egg the random error generator has broken
<queqiao-> ⟨A​l2Me6⟩ Is there a reason for the colon after the apsis?
<queqiao-> ⟨A​l2Me6⟩ Is there a reason for the space before the colon? (edited)
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ The reason is probably french
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ It has been there since the beginning of map view markers <https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/pull/974>
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ early discussion of the JSO frame <https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/issues/953#issuecomment-243389682>
<queqiao-> ⟨A​l2Me6⟩ Should we remove it then? Always felt awkward to me
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ yeah might as well
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ <https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/compare/master...eggrobin:fr?expand=1> is going to be Fun to merge with your PR :-p
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ (I think all the conflicting strings are just renumbering placeholders so it’s not as bad as it looks)
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ (the main problem here is that Lingoona doesn’t support a construct that English needs, namely removal of the article (Mun orbit, Mun periapsis, centre of *the* Mun), so I need a double placeholder with and without article—and for good measure I am adding the initial so I can deal with the zh navball name without bespoke logic)
<queqiao-> ⟨A​l2Me6⟩ ...sounds Fun indeed.
<queqiao-> ⟨P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they)⟩ Isn't that the second time Lingoona has not supported a construct that you need for Principia?
<queqiao-> ⟨K​ardachev_1⟩ Hi Egg, Nice to see you here. ^^
<queqiao-> ⟨K​ardachev_1⟩ I really enjoy to follow all these discussions and exchange of NASA, ESA etc documentation. I love these gueeks.
<queqiao-> ⟨K​ardachev_1⟩ Do you know if there is any ISRU team. I would like to push some concepts I've developped using biomimicry approach to ensure long term human settlements. Maybe this could be used to fill the gaps in the Tech tree related with this techno.
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ No idea; looks like regex then later Starwaster worked on a thing called RealISRU but I have never heard of it—and haven’t heard from those two in a while. This channel, despite being in KSP-Ro is a somewhat strange place with respect to the RealMeow mods though—you’ll find non-RSS or non-RO Principia players here—; someone in #ro-general might know?
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ No idea; looks like regex then later Starwaster worked on a thing called RealISRU but I have never heard of it—and haven’t heard from those two in a while. This channel, despite being in KSP-RO, is a somewhat strange place with respect to the RealMeow mods though—you’ll find non-RSS or non-RO Principia players here—; someone in #ro-general might know? (edited)
<queqiao-> ⟨P​lasticGuy⟩ whats the most efficient way to go the moon from the KSC with principia?
<raptop> Step 0: Decide that KSC is short for Korou Space Center
<raptop> *Kourou
<raptop> Alternative silly approach: try something like Hiten or LADEE for getting into Lunar orbit
<queqiao-> ⟨P​lasticGuy⟩ i mean ive just got to make transfer burn at my AN/DN but how do i launch so the moon will be at my ap after the burn?
<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ use Butcher's KOS script
<queqiao-> ⟨P​lasticGuy⟩ it cant actually be that complicated to work out tbh
<queqiao-> ⟨P​lasticGuy⟩ ah ok ill try that
<queqiao-> ⟨P​lasticGuy⟩ maybe working it out would be more interesting
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ @Al2Me6 I’m told 固定目标载具，<<1>>。\n以它绕<<2>>的轨道为水平面。 feels a bit too much like a direct port of the English and not natural, with the suggestion 目标载具<<1>>已固定，水平面为绕着<<2>>的轨道。
<queqiao-> ⟨A​l2Me6⟩ Yeah that’s reasonable. I did try to stick pretty close to the English, maybe too closely it seems.
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ yeah the structure can have to vary quite a lot if you want things to not sound weird
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ for instance I think in French I’ll turn Mars Periapsis: 1 729 000 m into something that more literally translates to Periapsis: 1 729 000 m above Mars, because I can’t find a good way to qualify periapsis with Mars like I can do in English
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ for instance I think in French I’ll turn Mars Periapsis: 1 729 000 m into something that more literally translates to Periastron: 1 729 000 m above Mars, because I can’t find a good way to qualify periapsis with Mars like I can do in English (edited)
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<_whitenotifier> [Principia] pleroy commented on pull request #3098: Update zh-cn localization and add strings for the new frame selector - https://git.io/J0kKw
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<queqiao-> ⟨N​eiehl Space Research Facility⟩ Is this mod going to be available on CKAN anytime soon?
<queqiao-> ⟨N​eiehl Space Research Facility⟩ and how do i install it? i havent found any installation guides. is it just dragging the file into the GameData folder?
<raptop> It's extremely doubtful that this mod will be on CKAN for the foreseeable future
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ and this mod will not be on CKAN in the foreseeable future, because CKAN has no support for native dependencies (and also because this mod is very peculiar in its bug reporting procedures so we’d like people to read the instructions in the README and FAQ in the process of getting the mod)
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ and (as raptop said) this mod will not be on CKAN in the foreseeable future, because CKAN has no support for native dependencies (and also because this mod is very peculiar in its bug reporting procedures so we’d like people to read the instructions in the README and FAQ in the process of getting the mod) (edited)
<raptop> (countdown to NSRF getting caught on the dependencies)
<queqiao-> ⟨A​l2Me6⟩ (The ability to successfully install Principia is not a terrible indicator of your success using it.)