egg changed the topic of #principia to: Logs: https://esper.irclog.whitequark.org/principia | <scott_manley> anyone that doubts the wisdom of retrograde bop needs to get the hell out | https://xkcd.com/323/ | <egg> calculating the influence of lamont on Pluto is a bit silly…
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⟨egg⟩ @sarbian If I have ConfigNode fields with keys that have parentheses, commas, or full stops (e.g.
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⟨egg⟩ `#Principia_ReferenceFrameSelector_Abbreviation_BodyCentredParentDirection(Earth).en-us = GSE`), will MM do magical things to me or am I safe? I forget how your fancy operators work
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⟨sarbian⟩ I am more worried about the KSP parser than MM with this. But I have no idea…
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⟨sarbian⟩ Try it and look at the cache
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⟨egg⟩ The KSP parser works in mysterious ways, true
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⟨egg⟩ but mostly in sloooow ways
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⟨egg⟩ (which is why #2400 is a thing 😭)
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⟨egg⟩ (KSP parses saves at 12 MB/s; Principia could be optimized a bit more in that regard, but it reads at 34.9 MB/s, and that includes reconstructing all structures in memory etc.…)
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⟨egg⟩ (KSP parses saves at 12 MB/s; Principia could be optimized a bit more in that regard, but it reads at 35 MB/s, and that includes reconstructing all structures in memory etc.…) (edited)
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⟨egg⟩ (or uses displayName without postprocessing it, since the existing zh translation has translated names but no ^ markers)
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⟨egg⟩ (wrong channel) (edited)
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⟨Sir Mortimer⟩ Hm. That does sound like some optimization potential.
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⟨Sir Mortimer⟩ Just imagine, someone replacing the stock parser with something *fast*...
* raptop
conveniently ignores the problems with non-spherical shapes in KSP
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⟨chazzvader⟩ What are the issues?
<raptop>
mostly that KSP treats things as spheres + terrain, so oblate spheroids have a lot of weirdness in terms of altitudes. I want to say that lake Baikal is especially silly?
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⟨chazzvader⟩ Yeah
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⟨egg⟩ you might be thinking of 青海湖
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⟨Al2Me6⟩ Those instances are due to high altitude and not necessarily oblateness, no?
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⟨Al2Me6⟩ That is real wonky because the shore of 青海湖 is most definitely not at 8km elevation IRL... IIRC it's close to 3km?
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⟨egg⟩ yeah something is off with the topography for some reason
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⟨egg⟩ I recall CFIT at 10 km somewhere in the Himalayas
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⟨egg⟩ I should fly RSS planes again
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⟨egg⟩ in this region that is
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⟨egg⟩ it’s been a while, that screenshot says Dedekind
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⟨Paculino (ŝi/ri/she/they)⟩ Aral Sea Jr. ?
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⟨egg⟩ @Al2Me6 Huh, the term 近木点 seems to be used, but not 近土点 (comparing the number of search results for ["卡西尼号" "近土点"] and ["卡西尼号" "近拱点"] vs. ["近木点" "朱诺号"] and ["近拱点" "朱诺号"]
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⟨egg⟩ @Al2Me6 Huh, the term 近木点 seems to be used, but not 近土点 (comparing the number of search results for ["卡西尼号" "近土点"] and ["卡西尼号" "近拱点"] vs. ["近木点" "朱诺号"] and ["近拱点" "朱诺号"]) (edited)
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⟨egg⟩ 4 papers with the phrase 近土点 in CNKI (from two first authors), vs. 43 for 近木点, 16 for 近金点, 41 for 近水点 (and 302 for 近火点, 1 251 for 近月点, 15 445 for 近地点, 5 368 for 近日点, those are beyond doubt)
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⟨egg⟩ interestingly it seems to be a thing in Japanese though
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⟨egg⟩ Or am I just observing the relative dearth of missions to Saturn? Venus has had than four times the number of orbiters after all
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⟨egg⟩ Or am I just observing the relative dearth of missions to Saturn? Venus has had more than four times the number of orbiters after all (edited)
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⟨Al2Me6⟩ I feel like this is the case, yes... especially considering the dearth of _Chinese_ missions/plans of missions to Saturn
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Saturn's had what, 1 orbiter, 1 lander*, and 3 flybys?
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*Hyugens, not the grand finale
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⟨egg⟩ so you are saying we should put « get the CNSA to throw something at Saturn » on the Principia roadmap :-p
<raptop>
Yes. Yes you should
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⟨Paculino (ŝi/ri/she/they)⟩ Starting a space race with the goal of deep space probes just to get better terminology
* raptop
laughs in astronomers naming things
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⟨egg⟩ interestingly French tends to use *périastre* (like periastron) as the generic term (where English has periapsis)
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⟨egg⟩ On the other hand CNKI has one result for 近天点, a paper from 1943 titled 长期天气预告研究之现势, no results for 近冥点, and while it has 69 results for 近海点 they all look similarly highly irrelevant, so I am going to guess that these are not actually a thing (abbreviating 喵王星 to 喵 seems more of a stretch than 喵星 or 喵球 to 喵 anyway)
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⟨egg⟩ Also 海王星 should be called 玻璃制造商星 anyway :-p
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⟨egg⟩ Language is weird, continued:
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⟨egg⟩ > However, the argument of periapsis increases approximately 0.9° per orbit, sending the latitude of perijove further from the equator.
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⟨egg⟩ perijove (rather than periapsis) is most common for a jovian periapsis, but argument of periapsis is more common than argument of perijove when talking about its argument
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By Jove, that close approach is weird!
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⟨Butcher⟩ By jove, the apojove is greater than the perijove!
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[Principia] eggrobin closed pull request #3092: Translate technical terms in the new frame selector UI - https://git.io/JR9iN
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[Principia] eggrobin pushed 4 commits to master [+3/-3/±17] https://git.io/JRFM1
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[Principia] eggrobin c4952aa - Merge pull request #3092 from eggrobin/frame-selector-ui Translate technical terms in the new frame selector UI