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<_whitenotifier> [Principia] eggrobin opened pull request #3061: Fix some constants - https://git.io/JCmk7
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] eggrobin labeled pull request #3061: Fix some constants - https://git.io/JCmk7
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<_whitenotifier> [Principia] pleroy labeled pull request #3061: Fix some constants - https://git.io/JCmk7
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] eggrobin closed pull request #3061: Fix some constants - https://git.io/JCmk7
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] eggrobin pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±6] https://git.io/JCmCW
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] eggrobin 0df327a - fix an obviously incorrect constant and use the correct Γ to compute the rates for Lagny-Canon methods
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] eggrobin 267cd7d - Merge pull request #3061 from eggrobin/cbrt-documentation Fix some constants
<_whitenotifier> [Principia] eggrobin opened pull request #3062: A correctly-rounded cube root. - https://git.io/JCmWb
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<_whitenotifier> [Principia] eggrobin synchronize pull request #3062: A correctly-rounded cube root. - https://git.io/JCmWb
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<egg|anbo|egg> test
<queqiao-> ⟨§​κyℓαr ♀⟩ My daily-driver desktop has Guix as the package manager, and guix (sadly not the guixsd distro yet) has support for powerpc so I imagine most of what I do on that desktop could probably run fine on powerpc?
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ apparently my desktop doesn't like building principia while mining ethereum over a VNC connection
<queqiao-> ⟨A​l2Me6⟩ Building Principia alone brings my machine to its knees 😂
<queqiao-> ⟨S​ir Mortimer⟩ Why is kerbalism not on ckan?
<queqiao-> ⟨S​ir Mortimer⟩ I'll file a formal complaint.
<queqiao-> ⟨S​ir Mortimer⟩ Thanks @Stonesmile
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ it's funny, because i'll play KSP on it while i let the GPU continue mining
<queqiao-> ⟨S​tonesmile⟩ Kerbalism is definetly on CKAN
<queqiao-> ⟨S​ir Mortimer⟩ The default config is, the core mod doesn't appear in my list.
<queqiao-> ⟨A​l2Me6⟩ 🤔
<queqiao-> ⟨S​tonesmile⟩ We use CKAN for installing kerbalism core in our install guide, so should be there
<raptop> Watch 1.12.2 of KSP have some major internal change that breaks everything
<raptop> (remember: the ground achor has not yet been released)
<queqiao-> ⟨r​ocketman⟩ yeah, worked fine for me 🤷
<queqiao-> ⟨r​ocketman⟩ try checking your compatible versions?
<queqiao-> ⟨r​ocketman⟩ idk if that would do it
<queqiao-> ⟨S​ir Mortimer⟩ Using the command line UI here, maybe thats broken? Damn those tools.
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<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ not for 1.12. at least it wasn't last I checked
<queqiao-> ⟨S​ir Mortimer⟩ meta info says it is, probably a missing dependency.
<queqiao-> ⟨S​ir Mortimer⟩ ha, the powah of the command line
<queqiao-> ⟨S​ir Mortimer⟩ never underestimate a terminal 🙂
<queqiao-> ⟨S​ir Mortimer⟩ that does the trick `iMac.local:~$ ckan install --allow-incompatible Kerbalism`
<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ I ended up manually installing it from GH for my 1.12 install
<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ absolutely unplayable
<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ I expect better from the mods I pay no money for
<queqiao-> ⟨S​ir Mortimer⟩ yeah, I'll go over to their discord and throw a tantrum.
<queqiao-> ⟨S​ir Mortimer⟩ So. Kerbalism, ReStock. I forgot which other mods are essential.
<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ principia
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ there’s this noodle mod, whatever its name is
<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ kerbal space ponies
<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ the usual
<queqiao-> ⟨S​ir Mortimer⟩ that noodle mod isn't on that lazy gamer mod installation thing. Is it available for 1.12.1?
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ nope
<queqiao-> ⟨S​ir Mortimer⟩ Damien, how's that compiler doing?
<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ it doesn't meet quality standards
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ :D
<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ only the best mods go on CKAN
<queqiao-> ⟨S​ir Mortimer⟩ I think in this case it's the other way around. 🙂
<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ principia only gets shared on the premier sharing arena
<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ the r/ksp discord
<queqiao-> ⟨S​ir Mortimer⟩ *sprays the room with febreze*
<queqiao-> ⟨S​ir Mortimer⟩ uttering that name alone leaves a foul stench.
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<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ really...the build's going to fail after over 30 minutes of compiling? ugh
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ hm
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ and a different error
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ sorry for the screenshots, building on a windows pc, discord on the mac
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ which Visual Studio version ?
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ maybe too new...
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ or not new enough
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ i just updated, i got a warning when i started the build, one sec
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ you did start with a rebuild_all_solutions, right?
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ that's what made me think "too new"
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ yeah the base_test one is well-known
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ (there is a list of versions, it is a bug that keeps existing, we should report it)
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ @rsparkyc try adjusting those lists of version numbers
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ (and now that you have build the dependencies you won’t need to rebuild_all, just build Principia directly
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ (and now that you have build the dependencies you won’t need to rebuild_all, just build Principia direct) (edited)
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ (and now that you have build the dependencies you won’t need to rebuild_all, just build Principia directly) (edited)
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ (and now that you have built the dependencies you won’t need to rebuild_all, just build Principia directly) (edited)
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ ok, let me pull up that file
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ what should I adjust those version numbers to?
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ add the value for the compiler you are using
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ (which you might be able to get from hovering over the macro with intellisense, but mostly I leave it as an exercise to the reader)
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ ahhhh
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ thanks for making me not exercise too much 🙂
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ of course it was just the last one there + 1
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ of course it was just the last one there +1 (edited)
<queqiao-> ⟨A​l2Me6⟩ That would've been useful to know when I tried to compile Principia last time 😂
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ ok, now just using visual studio to rebuild the principia solution
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ i honestly think i had to do something similar back when i did this in december
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ will this build a cross-platform output (will I be able to use this build on windows on my macos install)
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ well in the output i saw that the base project had a failure, but it's still going. Might need to just build that to see what it was
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ ok, manually rebuilt the base project and that worked, weird it didn't work before
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ (this is the only project I know that uses non ASCII characters in filenames)
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ nope, for that you need to do a mac build, and that is a rather different procedure
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ Ahh, bummer. I had tried building on my mac, but it failed and I didn’t want to try harder…
<queqiao-> ⟨r​nlahaye⟩ In theory, the 1.12 issue only affects the Windows build. You could try taking Grossmann, deleting the Windows binary (which is not needed on macOS), and enabling 1.12 via the version check override. Disclaimer: I have not tried this.
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<queqiao-> ⟨D​RVeyl⟩ I was *completely* with you right until the end. Seriously, chocolate or bust.
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ I don’t think it would ? The magical version checking code is something that is part of KSP’s plugin loading logic, and which should apply cross-platform
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ oh, right, if you delete the Windows DLLs it won’t find them
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ so it won’t try to version the things (that it can’t load later anyway)
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ (this bug is apparently so dumb that I cannot reason about it)
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ (also, good to see you around on here!)
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ Interesting, I’ll have to try that.
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