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<queqiao-> ⟨E​ggElectron⟩ Hi, I'm wondering, for a geosynchronous satellite, the orbital period should be 23hr56min4sec, and eccentricity zero, but principia's orbit analysis shows three values for period: sidereal, nodal, and anomalistic. Which of these must be 23hr56min4sec for a successful geostationary orbit?
<queqiao-> ⟨A​l2Me6⟩ Siderial.
<queqiao-> ⟨A​l2Me6⟩ Sidereal. (edited)
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ @EggElectron No, nodal; but anyway you shouldn’t be looking at the period directly in the analyser, instead you should be looking at the ground track & recurrence analysis, which is designed for repeating patterns (such as synchronicity)
<queqiao-> ⟨A​l2Me6⟩ ~~Sidereal.~~ Edit: I was very wrong. Sorry. (edited)
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ @EggElectron you should untick auto-detect (because you know what recurrence you want), set 1 cycle = 1 revolution, and then minimize the error on the longitudes of equatorial crossings (which is how much you drift with respect to your desired recurrence)
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ the documentation is *very* dry and could use an actual user chewing it a bit (as it stands it mostly explains how things map to the Capderou book), but nevertheless https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/wiki/Orbit-analysis#recurrence-properties may be informative
<queqiao-> ⟨E​ggElectron⟩ Thank you! I will chew on this
<queqiao-> ⟨E​ggElectron⟩ 🙂
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ You were wrong, but to be honest it is rare to find good treatments of the various kinds of periods
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ (this is definitely in the « sufficiently specialized that Wikipedia must not be trusted » realm)
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ the sidereal period is the one that is both best-behaved in edge cases and least useful
<raptop> "both best-behaved in edge cases and least useful" sounds like commentary on numeric methods in general
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<queqiao-> ⟨A​l2Me6⟩ Been sitting on a copy of Caperdou for a while now... maybe I should actually go read it.
<queqiao-> ⟨A​l2Me6⟩ Been sitting on a copy of Capderou for a while now... maybe I should actually go read it. (edited)
<raptop> Do it!
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<queqiao-> ⟨m​aj. M.AL. (funq+10ⁿ)⟩ does every1 in this channel have a phd in astrophysics
<queqiao-> ⟨m​aj. M.AL. (funq+10ⁿ)⟩ im going to do physics 101 next semester
* UmbralRaptop only has a BSc in Physics, though I'm working on a PhD
<UmbralRaptop> 🥚 has a MSc in matj
<UmbralRaptop> math
<queqiao-> ⟨m​aj. M.AL. (funq+10ⁿ)⟩ excellent
<queqiao-> ⟨m​aj. M.AL. (funq+10ⁿ)⟩ ~~excellent~~ eggsellent (edited)
<queqiao-> ⟨(​ᴇxᴘᴇʀɪᴍᴇɴᴛᴀʟshells)⟩ hold on what
<queqiao-> ⟨(​ᴇxᴘᴇʀɪᴍᴇɴᴛᴀʟshells)⟩ hold on what https://twitter.com/eggleroy/status/905219963992104960 (edited)
<queqiao-> ⟨S​tandecco⟩ I mean it would make sense
<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ @maj. M.AL. (funq+10ⁿ) definitely not. Some of us just learn by clicking buttons
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ I have a BSc in chemistry, my physics knowledge is somewhat rudimentary.
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<queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ You can do a PhD without a MSc?
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ The US work in mysterious ways
<queqiao-> ⟨Z​eusbeer⟩ Well I suppose their bachelor also takes 4 years instead of 3 (2.5 if you exclude minor), but I don't know the details.
<queqiao-> ⟨q​p⟩ when updating principia should I delete the old folder and replace with the newer version or simply overwriting the folder would suffice ?
<queqiao-> ⟨S​tonesmile⟩ Delete the old folder
<queqiao-> ⟨S​tonesmile⟩ All of the settings and such are in other places, like the save file
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<queqiao-> ⟨b​ongotastic⟩ Yep. In some fields, the oral examination in the M.Sc. is a branching point between 1) finishing a M.Sc., 2) transferring to PhD.
<queqiao-> ⟨T​exSpace⟩ how to rendezvous in principia?
<queqiao-> ⟨T​exSpace⟩ with RO/RSS?
<queqiao-> ⟨P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they)⟩ I've only had three physics classes, and only two even mentioned orbits. You don't need a degree to use Principia
<queqiao-> ⟨P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they)⟩ Launch into the same plane at a slightly lower orbit
<queqiao-> ⟨T​exSpace⟩ ok thank you
<queqiao-> ⟨b​ongotastic⟩ Plotting frames are like magic when you wrap your head around them! Good luck.
<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ yeah once you get your head around the GUI it's easier than in stock
bees is now known as plasma_bees
<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ since you can easily set up an intercept any number of orbits in the future instead of max 2
<queqiao-> ⟨s​iimav⟩ Technically with patched conics you can add a dummy node 5 orbits into the future and it would show you encounters after that point.
<queqiao-> ⟨T​exSpace⟩ im just confused in the reference frame i always forget them lol
<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ welcome to principia
<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ the first part of become sort of ok at it is being utterly confused
<queqiao-> ⟨T​exSpace⟩ yeh im knew to it
<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ the first part of becoming sort of ok at it is being utterly confused (edited)
<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ if you're new to principia, setting up a stock install (with mods, but just not RSSRO) to practice principia on is very useful
<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ don't try and learn principia while also battling RO/RP-1
<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ it's a very inefficient way to learn
<queqiao-> ⟨T​exSpace⟩ i know ive done that
<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ I did it the hard way and still took the time to make a practice install to learn on later
<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ ah cool
<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ carry on then
<queqiao-> ⟨T​exSpace⟩ when ever i am going to do something new i first test in stock
<queqiao-> ⟨T​exSpace⟩ when ever i am going to do something new in principia i first test in stock (edited)
<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ the only problem with doing that, is that doing cool things with principia becomes the goal rather than playing actual KSP
<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ send a probe to the moon the regular way, or send it via a low energy transfer via a sun-earth lagrange point for no reason?
<queqiao-> ⟨T​exSpace⟩ the regular way
<queqiao-> ⟨T​exSpace⟩ i dont know anything bout langrage points for now
<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ my point was doing cool stuff in principia gets addictive
<queqiao-> ⟨T​exSpace⟩ yep
<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ it's a fun mod
<queqiao-> ⟨T​exSpace⟩ especcialy the flower effect when you start to burn
<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ yeah
<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ stuff like sunsynchronous orbits too
<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ a satellite that always sits along the dusk-dawn line for example
<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ a lot is possible in principia that isn't in stock
<queqiao-> ⟨T​exSpace⟩ yeh
<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ I set up an RSS install without RO (using SMURFF) just to practice weird principia tricks
<queqiao-> ⟨T​exSpace⟩ um whats this?
<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ that's an earth to moon transfer that needs no capture burn
<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ by swinging round a lagrange point
<queqiao-> ⟨T​exSpace⟩ oh but how?
<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ space magic
<queqiao-> ⟨T​exSpace⟩ ok
<queqiao-> ⟨T​exSpace⟩ langrage points are magic then i guess
* raptop eyes LADEE and Hiten
<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ if you do a search in this channel for images and pdfs there's been a lot of principia trickery and discussion
<queqiao-> ⟨T​exSpace⟩ i havent done an interplanertry transfer in principia so im planing to do it
<queqiao-> ⟨T​exSpace⟩ but i have done a mun hohmann and free return transfer in stock
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ I think I just realized that @egg and https://github.com/pleroy are related...
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ or at least i'm assuming they are
<queqiao-> ⟨T​exSpace⟩ yeh i think so too bcz theres a man/dev in the principia github that matches with egg's pfp name robin leroy im assuming hes pascal leroy's son?
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ that's my guess. if that's true, that's pretty awesome
<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ two mathematicians called leroy who work on the same project being related?
<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ nah I don't see it
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ haha
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ working on something like this would be the ultimate father-sun project
<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ father-sun L1 or L2?
<queqiao-> ⟨T​exSpace⟩ btw im curios who's pascal leroy?
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ you're running a ton of his code when you play principia
<queqiao-> ⟨A​l2Me6⟩ Isn’t pleroy @ sichelgaita?
<queqiao-> ⟨A​l2Me6⟩ Or at least that’s what I assumed
<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ my question is why is @egg called Egg when pleroy has that marvellous shiny dome?
<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ my question is why is @egg called egg when pleroy has that marvellous shiny dome? (edited)
<queqiao-> ⟨T​exSpace⟩ ik but like who is he in irl? like a mathematician/scientist/author? and like is he famous?
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ egg would know 🙂
<queqiao-> ⟨B​utcher⟩ Because Robins come from eggs?
<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ yeah so pascal should be egg
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ there would likely be a pun to make here about easter eggs
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ on a more related note: @Ruby I tried your suggestion, but KSP hangs at the main menu screen, I see this in the logs:
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ ```
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ Fallback handler could not load library /Applications/KSP_osx/KSP.app/Contents/Frameworks/MonoEmbedRuntime/osx/libGameData/Principia/MacOS64/principia.so
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ Fallback handler could not load library /Applications/KSP_osx/KSP.app/Contents/Frameworks/MonoEmbedRuntime/osx/libGameData/Principia/MacOS64/principia.so.dylib
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ Fallback handler could not load library /Applications/KSP_osx/KSP.app/Contents/Frameworks/MonoEmbedRuntime/osx/libGameData/Principia/MacOS64/principia.so
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ Fallback handler could not load library /Applications/KSP_osx/KSP.app/Contents/Frameworks/MonoEmbedRuntime/osx/libGameData/Principia/MacOS64/principia.so.bundle
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ ```
<queqiao-> ⟨s​ichelgaita⟩ I am not Satoshi Nakamoto.
<queqiao-> ⟨D​amien⟩ that's exactly what Satoshi would say
<raptop> Sure you aren't, Satoshi
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ did you keep the dll.config file?
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ (but then again without the dll.config file it would not know about the /MacOS64, so that is probably not the issue…)
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ those libGameData paths look very weird
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ @rsparkyc where/how are you running KSP
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ at least on Windows its working directory has to be the directory the executable is in
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ (i.e. shortcuts with a random `Start in` setting will break things)
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ you're right, the paths do look weird...
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ let me try something...
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ starting from scratch. Normally I download the Portable (.zip) version, but I think I got the .pkg installer. Going to try the zip this time
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ now dropping Principia folder from the release zip into gamedata
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ and now deleting the `x64` folder
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ so now I have something like this
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ going to run `KSP.app`
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ (and now i deal with the "this publisher can not be verified" crap
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ (and now i deal with the "this publisher can not be verified" crap) (edited)
<raptop> [The Aristocrats voice] Security!
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ ok, so now I get this before the game freezes:
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ ```
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ F0714 11:27:14.409104 348569088 C:\Users\phl\Projects\GitHub\Principia\Principia\ksp_plugin_adapter\ksp_plugin_adapter.cs:325] Unexpected KSP version 1.12.1; this build targets 1.8.1, 1.9.1, 1.10.1, 1.11.0, 1.11.1, and 1.11.2.
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ ```
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ but i think this is where i need to disable version check
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ yeah, that is expected; you simply need to add the appropriate cfg
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ i think it's odd it still freezes though, but maybe that's expected
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ well that is a FATAL log entry, so it should crash
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ maybe it is taking its time to crash
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ perhaps
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ in any case, now you just need a cfg to override that, no need to compile your own adapter anymore
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ where does one put said configuration file?
<queqiao-> ⟨e​gg⟩ anywhere, as usual for configuration files
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ ok, let's give this a shot
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ well this looks promissing
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ thanks everyone!
<queqiao-> ⟨r​sparkyc⟩ i know there's been some specific mac improvements since i last played on my mac, so i'm curious how well those will work, I'm excited 🙂
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<queqiao-_> ⟨e​gg⟩ I should get back to KC, it’s been a while
<raptop> Sure, 5 years after I move out
<queqiao-_> ⟨e​gg⟩ hah
<queqiao-_> ⟨e​gg⟩ (KerbalismContracts, not Kansas City, NotKansas, USA)
<raptop> Boolean algebra, but the values are Kansas and Missouri
<raptop> KerbalismContracts being that thing where we defined a bunch of kinds of satellites, instruments, and orbits?
<queqiao-_> ⟨e​gg⟩ yup
<queqiao-_> ⟨e​gg⟩ it’s the « what if we turned the Capderou book into a game » mod
<queqiao-_> ⟨e​gg⟩ > The name of Topeka, capital city of Kansas, is said to be the Kaw word Tó Ppí Kˀé meaning "a good place to grow potatoes".[4]
<queqiao-_> ⟨G​rowFlavor⟩ would you be willing to share your save? you are welcome to add it as a comment to: https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/203558-square-moon-orbit-into-a-pentagon-a-place-to-share-explore-saves-of-intriguing-orbits/
<raptop> 🥔🆗
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ if I still have the save on my PC sure, I've been playing on my laptop for a while and delete things fairly often so I may not still have it
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ that pic I posted is an old screenshot
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<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ I used RSS/SMURFF to practice a lot of that stuff
<queqiao-_> ⟨B​utcher⟩ I just yolo it in rp-1.
<queqiao-_> ⟨G​rowFlavor⟩ I see you are in another conversation, but just letting you know I did reproduce a crash with just Principia Grobner & KSP 1.11.2 with a Mun tutorial test save...the working set memory starts around 2.6GB & then increases to just over 8GB at crash...I tried it a second time but with journaling on and it followed the same GB increase behavior until I decided to delete the flight plan & set his
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<queqiao-_> ⟨G​rowFlavor⟩ great, & well you are very welcome to share some of the stuff you practice in the future over on that thread...my son & I would very much enjoy tinkering with as well as replicating such saves ourselves.
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ I think I found it but it was on JNSQ on KSP 1.8. It's probably easier for me to just recreate it. What do you mostly play on?
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ if you do a search in this channel for pdfs you can find a lot of the documents we discussed regarding these trajectories
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<queqiao-_> ⟨e​gg⟩ hm, is the reanimator eating all our memory?
<queqiao-_> ⟨s​ichelgaita⟩ Thanks for reproducing in stock. I'd like to have an issue and a save (preferably a save created when journaling was off, journaling can intrude on the multithreading behaviour).
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<queqiao-_> ⟨E​ggElectron⟩ I think this is pretty close to a geostationary orbit, right? I still have some delta-v left. I'm curious what kind of maneuver could make it more perfect?
<queqiao-_> ⟨(​ᴇxᴘᴇʀɪᴍᴇɴᴛᴀʟshells)⟩ set up a manoeuvre at precisely geostationary value and burn normal
<queqiao-_> ⟨E​ggElectron⟩ I'm not sure what "precisely geostationary value" means
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<queqiao-_> ⟨E​ggElectron⟩ but thank you
<queqiao-_> ⟨(​ᴇxᴘᴇʀɪᴍᴇɴᴛᴀʟshells)⟩ at the altitude of a geostationary orbit
<queqiao-_> ⟨(​ᴇxᴘᴇʀɪᴍᴇɴᴛᴀʟshells)⟩ 35786 km
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ that's less important than the period itself
<queqiao-_> ⟨B​utcher⟩ Most of mine aren't that close on altitude.
<queqiao-_> ⟨(​ᴇxᴘᴇʀɪᴍᴇɴᴛᴀʟshells)⟩ if my brain isn't borked, this should work
<queqiao-_> ⟨(​ᴇxᴘᴇʀɪᴍᴇɴᴛᴀʟshells)⟩ https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/480397772248580098/864986717323919360/unknown.png
<queqiao-_> ⟨(​ᴇxᴘᴇʀɪᴍᴇɴᴛᴀʟshells)⟩ if my brain isn't borked, this manoeuvre should work (edited)
<queqiao-_> ⟨(​ᴇxᴘᴇʀɪᴍᴇɴᴛᴀʟshells)⟩ https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/480397772248580098/864986717323919360/unknown.png
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ @EggElectronif you plan a maneuver at the an/dn you'll be able to see if you can make it any closer to 0 inclination, same with the Ap/Pe to see if it makes it move around less. you'll have some up and down precession due to the moon, and back and forth wobble due to the stable/unstable longitudes
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ those can be minimised but not eliminated
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ if your PC will survive it, a long trajectory at high tolerance will show you where it
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ if your PC will survive it, a long trajectory at high tolerance will show you where it'll drift (edited)
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ if your PC will survive it, a long trajectory at low tolerance will show you where it'll drift (edited)
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ it's been a while since I did a geosat though
<queqiao-_> ⟨E​ggElectron⟩ thanks yall
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<queqiao-_> ⟨e​gg⟩ yes, and to put a number on it, within the next week you will stay within a kilometre and a half of where you are.
<raptop> Quarantine enforced by loading subject into a satellite in GEO
<queqiao-_> ⟨e​gg⟩ The advice based on a specific altitude is not a good way to go about things (at least in Principia), as @Butcher points out, especially since this is not quite the correct altitude anyway, see equation (7.68) in Capderou’s book.
<queqiao-_> ⟨e​gg⟩ the analyser provides you with much better tooling.
<queqiao-_> ⟨e​gg⟩ @EggElectron: As @Damien points out you will get some perturbation in the long run. It may be more relevant to be slightly less stationary right now but keep closer to the nominal subsatellite point in the longer term; you might want to set the mission duration to something relevant to your mission (the interval between orbital corrections perhaps) and minimize the error of the longitudes of equator
<queqiao-_> ⟨e​gg⟩ for all practical purposes what you have here is stationary for the next week (your home satellite dish won’t require an accuracy of 0.014° to get signal, nor will your GEO images be meaningfully different if the subsatellite point moves by less than a nautical mile), but you may want to see what will happen beyond that.
<queqiao-_> ⟨P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they)⟩ What is special about that accuracy angle?
<queqiao-_> ⟨e​gg⟩ it is the current error in EggElectron’s screenshot
<queqiao-_> ⟨P​aculino (ŝi/ri/she/they)⟩ Oh, I did not zoom in to see that. I thought it had to do with orbit perturbations or something
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<queqiao-_> ⟨E​ggElectron⟩ Thanks. So based on that is seems the number of kilometers next to the longitude of ascending and descending nodes in the analyzer corresponds to a distance moved relative to the surface, and if that number was zero km then the orbit would be perfectly stationary?
<queqiao-_> ⟨e​gg⟩ not necessarily (because that also requires the inclination to be 0)
<queqiao-_> ⟨e​gg⟩ it tells you how much your nodes move east and west
<queqiao-_> ⟨e​gg⟩ if that is 0, your nodes stay in the same place, so your orbital period is perfect for a synchronous orbit
<queqiao-_> ⟨e​gg⟩ you do have a bit of motion from nonzero eccentricity as well as inclination though
<queqiao-_> ⟨e​gg⟩ the ascending and descending nodes are not in the same place (101.349° vs. 102.679°) so that gives you some east-to-west motion
<queqiao-_> ⟨e​gg⟩ the ascending and descending nodes are not in the same place (101.349° vs. 102.679°) so that gives you some longitudinal motion (edited)
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ Absolute precision is next to impossible so it's a question of how precise do you need it to be
<queqiao-_> ⟨e​gg⟩ but as far a synchronicity goes you are really good here
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ Which goes back to what egg said about mission duration
<queqiao-_> ⟨e​gg⟩ and yes, Damien’s point is very important
<queqiao-_> ⟨e​gg⟩ « perfectly » is meaningless and pointless
<queqiao-_> ⟨e​gg⟩ the question is « what is the mission »
<queqiao-_> ⟨E​ggElectron⟩ cool. Yeah I think the eccentricity is making it hard to plan a maneuver that would improve the orbit. If the maneuver gets the an and dn in the same longitude, the number of kilometers is way higher than 1.5km. But then even when I deleted all the delta-v in the maneuver node, the km was still like 60 and my computer crashed, so maybe that was a bug
<queqiao-_> ⟨E​ggElectron⟩ The mission was geostationary orbit, just trying to see how perfect I could get it
<queqiao-_> ⟨e​gg⟩ but that, again, is meaningless
<queqiao-_> ⟨e​gg⟩ if you make it more stationary over the next week, it can be worse over the next month
<queqiao-_> ⟨e​gg⟩ you don’t put satellites in specific places unless there is a specific reason to put them there
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ When I did mine I set a really long projection and tried to average it out
<queqiao-_> ⟨e​gg⟩ yeah, the longer term generally matters more than one week
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ Purely for the fun of it
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​RVeyl⟩ Haha. Re: lacking file version hanging KSP 1.12: some of the *Unity* dlls packaged for Burst lack a file version and thus hang KSP, too. Oops.
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ Has this been bug trackered?
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ *give us some kind of message rather than hanging pls*
<queqiao-_> ⟨e​gg⟩ also, your computer crashing seems rather unrelated to geosynchronism :-p
<queqiao-_> ⟨e​gg⟩ You should keep in mind what corresponds to what here: the drift in the longitudes tells you how good your (nodal) *period* is. Getting both to the same longitude is about reducing the eccentricity, but you still have to keep your period correct when you improve that.
<queqiao-_> ⟨e​gg⟩ nope
<queqiao-_> ⟨e​gg⟩ (at this point I am mildly terrified of what might happen if they move the bugs some more in an even more final version :-p)
<queqiao-_> ⟨D​amien⟩ *better the bugs you know*
<queqiao-_> ⟨e​gg⟩ > There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.
<queqiao-_> ⟨e​gg⟩ >
<queqiao-_> ⟨e​gg⟩ > There is another theory which states that this has already happened.
<raptop> It's all fun and games until you realize that you're in the jaekelopterus tank